Why did Marx offhandedly call people niggers in his letters?
>The Jewish nigger Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend’, even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. >It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like. >One of our nigger’s great discoveries — which, however, he only confides to his ‘closest friends’ — is that the Pelasgians were of Semitic descent. The main evidence: in the Book of Maccabbees, the Jews send emissaries to solicit the help of Greece on grounds of kinship. Furthermore, an Etruscan inscription has been found in Perugia, and this was simultaneously deciphered by Hofrat Stucker in Berlin and an Italian, and both independently converted the Etruscan into the Hebrew alphabet. marxistsfr.org/archive/marx/works/1862/letters/62_07_30a.htm
This is basically the verbose-ridden equivalent of a Holla Forums post; using nigger as a generic insult for anyone (Lassalle wasn't black) while not actually being racist/discriminatory when talking seriously about race or other identity categories (recall Jewish Question, letters to Lincoln, What is a Negro Slave?, etc.).
Wasn't this common back in the day? Authors like Mark Twain did the same thing despite being against slavery and racism.
This is fucking savage tho holy shit.
Luke Ortiz
He was called "Moor" in college. Like all bullied kids he got revenge in adulthood.
Logan Russell
Marx just didn't care about political correctness.
Cooper Cooper
They used to call the Irish white niggers
Caleb Allen
Nigger, we offhandedly call people niggers.
Daniel Jackson
marx was bad ass
Hudson Parker
There's also a book called White Niggers about Quebecois
Jack Hughes
Damn marx is so fucking based.
Julian Kelly
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Joshua Moore
He probably meant it without the hard R. He was basically the first ganster rapper.
Owen Cruz
This is translated from German, right? He'd be saying "Neger". Can you even drop a non-hard R Neger in German?
Ian Hall
If he was saying neger then "nigger" is a mistranslation. It should say negro.
Luis Parker
He said "Der jüdische Nigger" in the original document. Anyway, the racism becomes obvious from the subsequent sentences.
But back then there was scientific evidence that supported racism which only got disproved in recent decades so i wouldn't hold it too badly against him.
Lincoln Robinson
Fucking revisionist.
Josiah Campbell
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Julian Roberts
Calling someone nigger in the 19th century was like calling someone a retard today. Crude, but few people would bat an eye if done in private and some have no problem doing it in public.
Adrian Perez
you must have accidentally responded to the wrong post because what you said makes no sense.
Gavin Cruz
I call people retards all the time and no one tries shit, llittle downies won't do shit
Joseph Wilson
don't see the problem, considering everyone here's called someone a nigger at some point. besides, definitely shitposting
Easton Ross
He was ironically shitposting.
Michael Rivera
I mean, liberals had to explain inequality in their FREE AND EQUAL tm societies somehow
Jayden Miller
i still have no idea what you are saying.
Ayden Miller
According to Hobsbawm, 'scientific racism' was readily adopted in fin-de-siecle liberal circles in Europe, since it explained and justified domination of certain groups of people over others despite the ostensibly liberal and equalistic ideology.
Dylan Long
*egalitarian equalistic isn't a word
Luke Nguyen
ok, so you think Marx was racist because he wanted to rule over niggers?
Michael Thompson
No he was racist because racialism was the dominant scientific position at that tile but that racialism itself was the result of a need to justify inequalities in a supposedly equal society. Something Marx himself didn't think of and couldn't think of because like mos people of his time, he probably thought that hard science and biology are objective and safe from political manipulation .
Ethan Long
at that time* safe from political bias* is better formulation after thinking about it.
Christian Stewart
oh, that makes sense.
Samuel Wood
wow I hate Marx now, fuggin brocialist #notmycomrade
Evan Reed
I didn't think it was possible…
Benjamin Gonzalez
And Holla Forumslacks say our ideology is politically correct.
Isaac Williams
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Dominic Moore
Lol
More like forcibly silenced.
Joshua Flores
Do you have a single shred of evidence to support this wacky theory?
Zachary Turner
Yes. It's widely known that the black slaves and irish/British servants in early America would regularly unite and attempt to overthrow the property owners, so racialism was enshrined into law and the Irish/whites were given muh privilege over the negroes, essentially pitting them against each other. This was justified scientifically after the fact
This one would be better if it just focused on Bakunin's total failure rather than the "successes" of Marxism-Leninism.
Jaxson Cox
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Luke Rodriguez
Cubas still here mate
Charles James
Also
Camden Butler
Does anyone have that wiki article of a feminist who got kicked out of socialist convention Marx was attending?
Ayden Hughes
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Kayden Ortiz
And it is a fucking failire whith a capitalist economy
Cant hear over thousands of worker coops, mutual banks and horizontal illegalist movements all over the world
Gavin Russell
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Landon Wilson
wtf i like capitalism now
Leo Fisher
Kill yourself
Jason Hughes
Profit is when the bourgeoisie keeps the surplus value of the workers using the state and private property as an excuse to do so, there is no bourgeoisie in worker cooperatives, unless you consider taxation a form of surplus value being kept by the bourgeosie, in which case you are by default an a anarchist
Capitalism can be centrally planned, as proved by lenin and friends, this argument holds no ground
Fighting maoists and leninists dont abolish for profit production
Keep sperging marxshit
Isaiah Baker
where were you friend? haven't seen you in days. we thought you were dead.
Ayden Sanchez
Ive been posting everyday
also
How does it feel to be retarded?
Camden Jackson
In the 19th century, "nigger" lacked the negative connotation it has now. It wasn't a demeaning work.
Daniel Hall
that pic is a bigger autistic meltdown than Marx ever had holy shit
Isaac Richardson
lol
Christian Smith
We should be so lucky.
Matthew Walker
This I can't tell if an-nil is posting this unironically, and thinks this is good for him.
Gavin Moore
well, you could at least try troo
Landon James
Now this is the serious discussion I come to leftypol for!
Landon Jenkins
Wow it's almost as if the social mores that exist today didn't exist 150 years ago.
James Reyes
then why is marx using it in a demeaning way
Gabriel Harris
wtf marx was a brocialist! not my comrade
I'm kidding, just in case poe's law gets me banned
Daniel Allen
Because the man lived in the 19th century, didn't give a fuck about political correctness (pc didn't even existed at the time) and was just all about dah workers n' stuff.
Asher Reed
Marx was truly /ourguy/.
Logan Ramirez
Because political correctness is bullshit
Chase Barnes
The worst part is the absolutely awful grammar and spelling errors. You can interpret him in five different flavors of autism every time.
Jeremiah Thompson
Yes Since the 1990s "Neger" has changed its meaning to equal nigger It wasnt really considered an insult before
Ethan Martinez
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Jeremiah Stewart
Kikes gon kike.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Joshua Cooper
Would be funnier with Engels
Juan Sanders
Except he starts going into the dangers of miscegenation Holla Forums style/
Ayden Barnes
Well if I'm at a kkk rally it's I guess a little better for them to be talking about the problem with "the blacks" than to be talking about the problem with "the niggers"
Evan Harris
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Cooper James
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Jonathan Cooper
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Jacob Turner
which part? the existence of race or the inferiority of different races, or both? genuinely curious, if you have some links from sci-hub id love to see them.
Jonathan Clark
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Julian Martinez
Have you read his response to Max Stirner? It's the gorilla warfare of his time.
Colton Hall
I remember mentioning this on reddit when tankies were saying that anarchism is inherently anti‐semitic because of Bakunin and Proudhon
Funny how willing identity politicians are to count slurs and phrenological appeals when they advocate ostracizing for Holocausts
Aiden Turner
lots of links in:
Evan Fisher
m*cro aggressions
Bentley Hernandez
Marx was nigger Jew too
Anthony Brooks
Same reason I call my friends "hook-nosed shylock kikes", it's just banter!
Connor Ross
Marx was helping to reclaim the word way back then.
Asher Anderson
marx confirmed kang
Cooper Johnson
So is North Korea.
Jackson Sanders
Would be accurate with Engels (he's still based though).