Hey Leftypol

I'll stick to Lukasc thx/

I like where this thread is going

The only place here where there is a notable far-left presence is pretty much Montreal. There's a significant anarcho-syndicalist presence there (the 2012 student strikes were mostly organised by CLASSE, which is a syndicalist student union). Everywhere else its very reformist.

Seriously though, lets take a second to observe the absurdity of this. You wouldn't be complaining if Marx was being shilled in every thread (which he routinely is). Don't blame us for your preconceived bias towards Bookchin.

Actually, I don't use leftypol because the post quality has gone down the drain since we surpassed 600 members and most of the well read oldfags like Marxhead left. If some Bookchinite posted something about how they were looking for a Democratic Confederalist of Libertarian Treehugger party to join, and autistic ML's started posting about how you were retarded utopians instead of answering your question you'd probably get annoyed - and rightly so. But whatever dude, I'm sure shitposting is the revolutionary praxis Bookchin always wanted.

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ah yes, centralism without democracy is want you want. It's the same fucking thing, get over yourself you fucking autist.

Leftcom is an umbrella term for communist sects that are opposed to ML. It can include everyone from Marxist-Humanist like Dunayevskaya to council communist or Zizekian-Bordigist like the Leftcom who post here.

You don't know what I want. I haven't espoused any of my personal views (besides saying that I like Lukasc). Stop derailing the thread. It's better you don't post than post off topic drivel.

It's actually really enjoyable to fuck with M-Ls. Being a communalist makes it pretty easy. Anyways, you failed to address my point though. Simply acknowledge the hypocrisy

ICT have a canadian branch.
www.leftcom.org
I hear they're mostly old people though.

The answer to your question is that there are no good parties in Canada to my knowledge. The best you can do is probably some Social Democrats if you can't stand the ML's.
alternatively, you could go to a fucking bookclub

have fun

No, my point was that I wouldn't actually support autistic ML's coming into a thread and derailing it by trying to shill Stalin. It's telling that went completely over your head, but I'll try and convey this is clearly as possible: No, I do not support off topic shilling. Why don't you leave instead of further embarrassing yourself?

Thanks for being the first person in the thread to engage honestly with such a simple request.

Actually, you engaged honestly as well. I won't lump you in with your autistic kin because you like Bookchin.

Do you know where are? Off topic shilling of ideology is the foundation of leftypol. Thread about anarchism gets raided by marxists, thread about marxism gets raided by anarchists etc etc etc. Seriously, the greatest thing about this place is that there's always somebody willing to challenge your ideology no matter what the thread topic is. If you don't like that maybe you should go back to reddit user

GET OUT REEEEEE

I know. Hence why I don't post here anymore. Whatever dude, keep on shitposting. I'm just going to ignore you from here on out and reply to serious answers.

That's fine. My job here is done anyways

like pottery

Jesus Christ.

I should've paid attention in french class now…

our apologies for not being a reddit echochamber

I don't use reddit either. I don't really use any forums, hence why I want to get involved in an actual party instead of LARPing on the internet.

Have you checked out your local armchair emporium?

do Canada a favor and jump in front of a train

Yeah, "real life echochambers" are superior to LARPing on the internet. Nice excuse for doing nothing and sitting on your ass though.

Rude.

I actually signed up for the YPG recently. Nice excuse for wanting a safe space though.

you're a step above most leftcoms for at least trying to do something, I'll give you that.

best of luck in Rojava, comrade!

Why would I sign up for the YPG? Have you given any thought to how the YPG is going to combat global Capital? At best, they'll end up as the next Zapatista. Have fun dying while fighting ISIS, I'm going to try and revitalize Western leftism in some shape.

Leftcom isn't a unified ideology, it's an umbrella term. Maybe that's your issue.

NO WAR BUT THE ARMCHAIR WAR :^)
DemCon is a program for the ME, not just Kurdistan or Syria. The intention to spread the ideology and movement beyond their borders is very real. Hell, the fact that all foreign volunteers need to learn the ideology is a great step in itself.
By being a leftcom? All of my keks.

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You know, you could do something useful instead…

Don't worry. Us bookchinites like to spoonfeed.

I don't see much potential for a world movement there. Maybe I'm wrong. Look, I don't care. You're being really immature and obviously butthurt that I called you out for incessant shitposting. Just fuck off, okay?

wow u sound mad

May the Lord watch over you in Rojava, comrade

Going "haha leftcom" over and over is very shallow critique. If you want to get people on your side, you should try and articulate your points intelligently instead of memeing.

Danke gomrades!

Immature? Sure. Incessant shitposter? Definitely. But butthurt? Not in the least. Can't a man just enjoy fucking with an oversensitive user without having accusations thrown at him?

Satanic trips reveal Leftcoms are behind Pizzagate

will they ever recover?

I'm sorry. Did we anger you?

And how will we get one if no one is willing to take up arms? Rojava is already an example to people.
You want to bring forth a revolution? Support revolutionary societies.

See OP? This is how it's done. This is what revolution actually looks like.
Besides. Being an actual revolutionary earns you more respect than being an armchair theorist.

Why don't you go advocate left communism where it can actually have an effect? There are M-Ls fighting in Syria, as well as Anarchists. There's even a Baath party in the Federation.

I'm in school, and while I respect the YPG it's not something I feel very invested in ideologically or otherwise. Maybe that will change, but it's not something I feel so strongly about that I'd leave my family for. I don't have anything against the people going to fight in Rojava, I actually think it's very brave. The other guys is just really annoying.

I hope that in the end you realize we're trying to invite you over.
What do you think is more effective? Advocating leftcom to revolutionaries, or discussing a long dead ideology with a bunch of octogenarians that never show up for anything?

What will be more effective? Advocating leftcom as a life-long armchait LARPer, or as a successful returning revolutionary that put their life on the line for what they believe in?

Look at the US. People like John McCain are respected by all sides, not because he actually stands for revolutionary ideals, but because he was a veteran.

I'd like you to make the case how what's going on in Rojava is going to translate into any of the places global Capital is concentrated- The United States, China, Europe etc. It's a nice revolutionary movement but I'm kind of astounded you think Bookchin is somehow more popular in the West than any of the Marxist tendencies. I'm not going to argue for the effectiveness of Maoism based on its popularity in a lot of developing nations.

He's not saying abandon leftcom, just that going to rojava would be more productive towards the goal of being a revolutionary then staying here and joining whatever dead end party currently exists in canukistan

Rojava is a complete dead end from an Orthodox Marxist pov, they're an oil exporter in the middle of the desert with little to no industry.

Conceptions of class in orthodox Marxism are flawed. Let me ask you this friend: who is the proletariat today?

This is more of a problem with orthodox marxism really. The economy is definitely aimed towards abolishing exchange value long term in favor of use value.
cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/

Those who sell labor power to survive.

So, are you equating the service sector with industrial workers? What about accountants or people in comfy managerial roles? Look at what Marx says in the 18th Bruimaire about peasant classes, or better yet the last chapter of Volume 3 of Capital. Class is just as much about consciousness, interest and rank as it is source of revenue.

These are two sections of the proletariat.
If they make enough to buy stock or subsist some other way, they no longer sell labor to survive and are not strictly proletarian.
Absolutely. But economic conditions determine consciousness and interest.

What's useful about fighting for a revolution which has literally a 0% chance of surviving through the next decade? At the very best it'll become an autonomous region of Syria, at worst it'll get crushed entirely.

Defeatism does nothing but make you look like someone looking for excuses to do nothing.
this is literally you

It's not could, it's WILL. Rojava is a tiny part of Syria. Assad and Turkey both really want it dead. None of the great powers or its neighbors have a vested interest in keeping it alive, especially after they've done their job of fighting ISIS. If it ever does get around to becoming truly anti-capitalist, every nation on Earth will want them gone. They have no means of defending themselves on account of being a small part of an irrelevant, weak nation. There is no possibility for a good outcome here. Or do you expect the Rojavan armies to conquer all of Syria and then overturn all the Middle East? That's completely delusional. This is not defeatism, it's just not being either a complete retard.

Neither really have much say in the matter. A federal syria is an inevitability, and the dual power that will proliferate throughout syria would eventually lead to the complete collapse of assad's power there.
Russia does, both as a possible proxy against turkey and other US allies in the region.
It already is cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/
Besides the fact that they already have a pretty effective fighting force, the fact is that they have the legitimacy in the area and the ability to engage in an asymmetrical war quite effectively if it came down to it. The taliban isn't nearly as numerous or well equipped and yet they're still a constant thorn in the side of the US and it's allies in the ME.
I expect them to set a standard by which other peoples in the area will follow. I expect the proliferation of a dual power in countries throughout the ME.
No it's entirely defeatism. Stop making excuses for your own inaction user

OP have you thought that maybe the reason there are no leftcom internationals really is because leftcom is a bad idea and so can't build organizations by attracting people to that idea?

If you're looking for internationalist organizations that actually exist, the only large-ish ones that exist are Trotskyist ones really. Probably because Trotskyism attracts people with its ideas.

Don't worry OP, even though bookchinites are cancerous memelords, they will fuck off just like Stirnerfags did.

Read Lenin you filthy menshevik. The communist party can only be a small minority in counter-revolutionary periods.

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I don't care about Bordiga. God, why the fuck do Bordigists shill their meme man every fucking thread. Seriously, whatever interest I might've had in Bordiga is tainted by how autistic you guys are.

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I do read Lenin. Any socialist international organization is still a small minority today.

It's good because it recruits people to socialist ideas.

These Bookchin drones are fucking incessant shitposters.

Dude, you really need to chill and learn to enjoy the banter, you're making the rest of us look like whiny cunts.

Stirnerites are still here, dumbfuck. And they do more to btfo polacks than any leftcom

Are you one of those gross smelly ugly Pajeets?

The guy who was supporting Stalin trip in the econ thread, who claimed that all use value is totally subjective, dood? And how would you know that he has actually read anything?

Go join the Mafia. They have that organic centralism you like so much.

He's talking about the old Marxhead, not the Stalintrip. Stalintrip is a total idiot, while Marxhead was a quality poster.

Consensus decision-making and invariant adherence to a communist program is not Mafia, and this guy has already said he was asking about left communism in general, not Bordigism.

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This thread made me hate Bookchin.

Fuck off Holla Forums

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kill yourself redditor, you are the cancer of this board

This is an arguments board. Posting pics without arguments is a bannable offense.

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Bitch please. I ain't riled up nor have I a reddit account. Please stop assuming that everyone you don't like is from reddit.
I just don't think that racism has any place here. There is a containment board for that.