What do idpolers actually want?
They say solving class issues is not enough, but what more do they want to do after complete equity "financial" equality, and legal equality is achevied?
I mean what do they want to change any more?
I have never heard something concrete from an idpol idiot, have you?
It's just ethno-nationalism with minority groups.
Well then they are no better than the alt-right. They are actually no better than any other right-wing extremist.
Idpol is both a superdecadent luxury that lets the wealthiest spoiled trustfund brats on Earth still claim to be "oppressed" and a convenient pressure valve that the elite can use to blow off prole steam. That's about it.
Why do you think we criticize idpol
Then why don't smashies act out towards them like they act out towards white natinalists?
*nationalists
exploitation by a diverse and multicultural elite
Respect they didn't earn.
Why should I respect you for your race or gender?
"B-becuz i feel like you should!"
Seems like idpol morons are just plain racist once they show their true face.
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Im sure it varies by indiviual and Im also convinced a part of them honestly believes diversity automatically triggers social justice. Others are just sexists or ethno-nationalists or progressivists with classical liberal mindset so they believe globalism under a diverse elite will lead to endless economic growth.
How does that contradict my theory?
You say that as if everyone here isn't high off their ass on idpol
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It doesn't, i actually posted it to agree. The ":^)" was to make fun of the people in the video.
Pls go away.
You asked I answered.
Yes, but white nationalists and non-white nationalists are both stupid
I dunno what your opinion has to do with the question in the OP and the answer I provided. "Please go away,,"…you must hail from reddit
Pipe down Sebastian Gorka
This. Holla Forums anti IdPol leftism is absolutely its own identity at this point. There's no reason to believe that racism would disappear in somewhere like the US or sexism would disappear in Saudi Arabia if you implemented a socialist economy.
Opposing particular systems based on identities that inflict material violence against the proletariat is not identity politics. Holding the individual accountable or exempt based on their subjective identity is identity politics. It is a material reality that in the US blacks are targeted by police and the prison industrial complex. The IdPol solution is to hold each and all white people accountable because shame is redemptive. The leftist solution is to rearrange material relations, which means proletariat control of production AND a system of governance that makes it impossible for spooky identities like race and gender to be targeted or favored.
Because much of the modern left is plagued with idpol, including a lot of smashies. Tbh there aren't many places outside of leftypol where I've seen people denouncing it. Jacobin's recent Twitter fiasco is another one I guess.
Nobody is saying that racism would just disappear with capitalism gone. Our main disputes with idpolers are…
Our conception of it is materialist, theirs is idealist. Our argument is that discrimination grows from economic conditions and is created by and works to support the economic order. Theirs is that racism happens because ebil white men are just big meanies.
They want to do it through the lens of identity, and treat gender/ethnic groups as classes or political blocs unto themselves, as if the interests of the black worker and white worker were opposed while the interests of the black worker and black porky were not. That's how you end up with all this "you're a fucking white male" bullshit.
Our ultimate goal is the abolition of race, gender, and even class, leaving behind only the individual. Theirs is not, rather they want to entrench these differences, promote and proliferate these identities while encouraging identity based groupthink, just like any nationalist would. This identitarianism is by definition reactionary.
Not immediately, but over time it would and I suspect a lot more quickly than you imagine.
this, also in practical terms organised 'black supremacist' groups are far less powerful or harmful than their white counterparts at the moment.
Ideology.
Just so.
It is insane how much controversy Jaobin's milquetoast denouncements of liberal idpol generate. The left truly is infested with radlib morons especially in the US.
It makes me super happy that Jacobin and Chapo make some criticism of idpol they have a lot of influence in the US left and we need to start differentiating ourselves SJWs more forcefully.
In a perfect or very ideal socialism or communism, sure. But in any realistic scenario struggle would continue with internal and external forces and if your economic planners prioritize one identity over others youre going to fan the flames of IdPol with leftover prejudices and legitimize identitarian politics. That can be avoided by making it clear how much and in what ways identity and its construction are relevant to and produced by class struggle.
I agree with all of this and I think Holla Forums does in general but then instead of applying it by discussing ways to strategically disassemble these identities and replace them with class consciousness, anyone mentioning race or gender gets a "fuck off reddit liberal" and a sage. Fucking NazBols are humored more than feminist sympathetic communists
As is every opinion and suggestion. Reread zizek