Natural Selection/Evolution Simulators

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

/sci/ fag here once again. I really like Natural Selection simulators and it's offensive that more games don't simulate it. What are some good examples of games that simulate natural selection? I will be posting my favorites.

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mediafire.com/file/s71k1ri6xo28qri/3D_Creature_Evolution.zip
myabandonware.com/game/creatures-3-a3r
speciesgame.com/download/
boxcar2d.com/
biogenesis.sourceforge.net/
bludgeonsoft.itch.io/vilmonic-lite
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life
mathworld.wolfram.com/Rule30.html
devinacker.github.io/celldemo/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_loops
youtube.com/watch?v=4fVN1nA4MWQ
youtube.com/watch?v=dQJ5aEsP6Fs
youtube.com/watch?v=uIXMSPsG9mk
youtube.com/watch?v=F5oKgVZ6bTk
youtube.com/watch?v=MGRPwuVvErs
youtube.com/watch?v=7g33V6i2Loc
dmishin.github.io/singlerot-smooth/singlerot-smooth.html

Mason Baker
Mason Baker

seems like your thread got "naturally selected" out of view lol

Parker Allen
Parker Allen

For those who have not played Creatures, it was a pretty successful PC game series in the late 90s/Early 2000nds. You get virtual creatures that have the ability to change through natural selection. Every part of their code from what they ate to their life span to behavior would change. The series had about 4 or 5 games if I remember correctly. One issue is that often times creatures would evolve to be immortal because their natural life length would just mutate to = infinity.

James Martin
James Martin

The creator of the series has a serious obsession with simulating life and is currently working on a game to try to naturally simulate an animal brain.

Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

He fucks that robot doesn't he?
TFW no robo gf to fuck

Ian Cook
Ian Cook

makes you think why aren't creatures immortal in the real world…seems like something that would be beneficial

yes, I know about the jellyfish, but still

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

Not really sure if this one could be considered a game but it is definitely a simulator.
In real life situations most animals die because they have a type 3 survival ship strategy plan. You can either put energy into living longer or that can go into making a body that is better at creating a lot of animals. If you die but you create 50 offspring than it doesn't matter that you died. For larger animals that generally have a type 2 or 1 strategy (less children but live longer) they eventually generally die due to getting cancer/mutations slowly accumulating in their body until something breaks.

Anthony Rivera
Anthony Rivera

Machine learning is sort of a type of natural selection. At least I find it extremely interesting

Gavin White
Gavin White

Species: Artificial Life is a game developed by a guy for quite a few years now. He updates the game weekly but it's still likely years off from being fully complete. Still pretty fun, especially seeing predators evolve to eat prey animals and population stabilization.

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

You may remember this game from a few months ago when Holla Forums and /pol/ were trying to teach Swastikas how to walk

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

Machine learning is basically NS in computational form. They even get biologists sometimes to help create algorithms that are used to "develop" new cars/planes from simulated natural selection tests. They even talk about it in MGR. We will never get a new Metal Gear Revengeance I really love how the Metal Gear games bring up and discuss current and future tech but in a realistic manner.

Evan Peterson
Evan Peterson

any good games for linuxfags?

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

That's not a game but it's still cool, reminded me of this.

Jonathan Adams
Jonathan Adams

Sorry, but I know and are Wine compatible. Creatures has it's own fan linux installer.

Nolan Taylor
Nolan Taylor

Oh, for any Biofags like me reading this, there is a lot of money in evolution simulation. Population Genetics, Epidemiology and machine learning all require biologists who are in high demand to apply their knowledge of evolution. It requires basic coding knowledge and a bit of math but nothing too hardcore. If you have the same type of autism I have and want to turn it into fat stacks it may be something you might want to consider majoring in.

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Zachary Carter
Zachary Carter

thrive and achilles

Xavier Howard
Xavier Howard

Reminds me of this except it's dealing with virtual "neural" development instead of body.

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

I feel like an idiot for forgetting to post the download links. Many of these games are from the 90s or even before and are hard to find.
Evolve virtual creatures
mediafire.com/file/s71k1ri6xo28qri/3D_Creature_Evolution.zip
Creatures 3
myabandonware.com/game/creatures-3-a3r
Species
speciesgame.com/download/

I am currently looking for a download link to Grandroids if anyone knows where to find it.

Xavier Wright
Xavier Wright

I remember playing Biogenesis with some anons although it might've been way back in the cuckchan times. You could connect to other players by IP and an input and output areas would open on your screen. Any creatures that go into output would appear in the other player's corresponding input box. So you could send your death bees bumblebees of peace to devastate enrich foreign cultures.

Christian Sanchez
Christian Sanchez

Boxcar2D is a fun and free little program where the "creatures" are cars that evolve to have different shapes and wheels to take on a course. There's a lot of variables to tinker with and several courses to pick from as well. I like to leave it on when I'm working and check back on it to see how far they have gotten.
boxcar2d.com/

Brody Lee
Brody Lee

So, Biogenesis
biogenesis.sourceforge.net/

It generates an initial set of organisms in an environment with O2 and CO2. Once an organism gets enough energy, it will reproduce, potentially with mutations. Organisms consist of different color and length segments.
Green take CO2 from the environment, turn it to O2 and get energy in the process.
Yellow segments increase fertility, so when the organism reproduces (with enough energy) it will provide additional offspring based on the number of yellow segments.
Red segments hurt other organisms and drain energy from them.
White segments infect organisms so that when they reproduce, they generate offspring of kind that infected them.
Grey segments kill other organisms on touch.
Blue segments are immune to red, white and grey.
Cyan segments move the organism around.
Brown creatures are dead and will slowly decay and release CO2 into the environment.

Life tends to settle into mostly green creatures for long periods of time.

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Ian Phillips
Ian Phillips

padding Spore padding

Charles Wright
Charles Wright

That was a penis simulator and you know it

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

Remember that 2D AI thing from a few months back? I checked it out again recently and I don't believe it has changed whatsoever.

Camden Rivera
Camden Rivera

Yeah, this one. What a shame.

Brayden Ortiz
Brayden Ortiz

Holla Forums and /pol/ were trying to teach Swastikas how to walk
I always end up missing these things.

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Connor Sullivan
Connor Sullivan

Super columbine massacre RPG

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Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

It's okay, after a few hot jiffs everyone kind of figured out it needed a lot of refinement still. The last thing I remember making was some roo thing that ended up walking on its back. Fuckin wiley cunts.

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Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

I wonder how long it will be until toady implements evolution into dwarf fortress, and eventually dwarfs start to encounter highly evolved spiked armadillos that sanic ball them to death.

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

I dare you to get on bay12 and suggest that. See you in fifteen years.

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Blake Baker
Blake Baker

So when will Willposting be a thing?

Angel Walker
Angel Walker

believing in evolution

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

an entire thread passes and no one mentions Evo.
Blasphemy.

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

i got this little guy

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William Butler
William Butler

niche is pretty interesting though not exactly what you're talking about

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

This is my current dominant species.

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Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

i think i had my first bottleneck effect it's only left with one starlike that has no offensive but sustains itself something like a plant and those motherfucking mini jets with death horns that massacred everything.
there are few jets only one star

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Dylan Miller
Dylan Miller

the stars killed of a swastika shaped one that mutated from them
second image
sadhitler.jpg

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Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

and i forgot to put in the image

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Ian Carter
Ian Carter

makes you think why aren't creatures immortal in the real world…seems like something that would be beneficial
Your Creatures mutate to infinite lifespans because there is no natural predators and it's not a realistic simulator of molecular biology.

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

there exist a species of medusa that is biologically immortal

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Only problem was my creatures would always end up depressed, perhaps because I barely used the speaking function as a kid.

Isaiah Phillips
Isaiah Phillips

Obtaining immortality is probably an impossibility, but cancer, one of the primary limiting factors to the lifespan of humans is not an unmalleable fact of life. While counterintuitive, it appears that the larger an animal species becomes, the smaller its risk of cancer. This is called Peto's Paradox. Studying species like elephants reveals that the cause of this apparent discrepancy is that the amount of molecular resources dedicated to the repair of mutations and elimination of tumorigenic cells varies wildly in nature. As such, the rate of cancer observed in any species can be seen as an evolutionary compromise between energy expenditure (slower growth rates) and longevity. With the advent of efficient gene manipulation technologies and powerful bioinformatics fueled by cheap genome sequencing, it is not only possible but also very likely that we will eventually imbue the future generations of humans with anti-cancer adaptations from other organisms.

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

That may be true but the game doe not really go the full mile for mutations and DNA to such a large degree, like how most space games don't do full macro scale physics simulations. So it ends up being pretty simplistic plus those infinite lifespan creatures could end up being retarded, depressed, and suicidal.

Luis Butler
Luis Butler

Consider that genes are akin to context clues within a book. If I steal your favorite book and erase all of the letter "E", you'll still be able to read that book with high accuracy. Perhaps larger animals have an even stronger foundation of this "context" due to their increased physical quantity of DNA.

Samuel Sanchez
Samuel Sanchez

My world is still dominated by a kind of thornballs. A shootoff species of fertile, motile thornballs went eventually extinct because the parent species was so well defended with red spikes.
Now there's a pure green shuriken kind on the ascendancy on one side of the world. Except that while I was writing this, they got practically wiped out.
Thornballs reign supreme.

Lordy, have you been hitting that Increase CO2 button like a redheaded stepchild?

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Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

That is very unlikely, mainly due to the two following reasons: 1. The size of the genome and the size/complexity of the animal don't correlate. 2. The way genes are transcribed and the resulting message translated into protein is very sensitive to deletions/insertions. With the loss/insertion of any number of bases not a multiple of 3, the rest of the gene following the mutation becomes nonsense to the cell.

However, what seems to happen in animals like whales and elephants is not necessarily far off from your thinking. In order to keep the rate of cancer low, these organisms would appear to have copied some central anti-cancer genes many times over. It is likely that this has caused the given genes to become expressed to a higher degree, but it also adds in redundancy to the system, a more robust "context" if you will, which helps eliminates proto-cancer cells before they go completely astray.

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

i was cause i wanted to simulate a cataclysm, and it worked, now that the bottleneck has been passed almost every organism has the same blue starshaped signature.
It was avtually a test of what would happen when i did. First it was to 100k CO2 and then after a boom of new creatures it dropped almost to zero and then botleneck happened.
This is it now. The only survivor's children are here.

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Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

mutated thornball
red spikes, grey outer segments, moving
barely able to sustain itself
last of its kind
age 27 out of 30
gets near two dead creatures
race against time to consume enough energy to reproduce before dying of old age
cutting it really close
finally gets there
spawns a little green needle with a white tip
dies
Literally cucked to extinction

I see. I've tried similar stuff, but this simulation has been 100% hands off after the beginning.

Carter Morgan
Carter Morgan

Recently read a book called Forms of Life by Eugene McCarthy, helped me understand alternatives to the current concept of evolution.

Grayson White
Grayson White

What game?

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

Buying and reading the book of an actual nutjob
His "theory" on the Origin of species is more retarded than Creationism

Jason Howard
Jason Howard

It's a good thing that theories, better called a hypothesis in the case of pig-man, are judged by the validity and simplicity rather than a reliance on the suspension of disbelief.

Dominic Thompson
Dominic Thompson

Too bad its neither valid or simple because it horribly crams together evolution and creationism in such a way that makes both sides hate him.
You see Billy, humans were invented when a Chimp and a pig loved each other very much
The unholy spawn their fucking created is what the bible describes on the 6th day of Genesis. Trust me, I have a Phd

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

I suggest reading the book.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

I don't have to, I already read parts of the papers he tried to publish and they are a great read for anyone into /cow/s. Evolution through natural selection is praised in many ways by how simple it is. "Stabilization Theory" as he likes to call it is a huge clusterfuck created by someone you know must be mentally I'll.

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

To go further, natural selection is so simple that we can simulate it in vidya like the games in this thread have shown.

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

Stabilization theory is just Saltation theory.
Evolution through natural selection is praised in many ways by how simple it is
That isn't the problem, the problem is how valid it is. Gradualism certainly isn't as supported by the fossil records as punctuated equilibrium.

Logan Perry
Logan Perry

Lobsters technically are immortal

Thomas Long
Thomas Long

Sea urchins and alligators too or was it crocodiles?

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

Here's a little game where you evolve killer mushrooms - bludgeonsoft.itch.io/vilmonic-lite

Kayden Rivera
Kayden Rivera

Not a simulator.
An action JRPG with the natural selection as it's main theme.
A good game, nonetheless.

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Nathan Bennett
Nathan Bennett

Thanks for making this thread, OP. I fucking love this kind of stuff. In my spare time I've been programming a "cellular automata"-style evolution simulator; right now I just have grass that grows to adjacent tiles on an ascii grid, and fire that spreads to adjacent grass tiles, leaving empty dirt in its wake. The plan is to have herbivores/carnivores/plants with different stats and behaviors, and those stats can change slightly with each generation (so the child will have almost identical stats with just a couple minor differences).

For anyone that's interested in evolution/life simulators, I recommend checking out the field of Cellular Automata. I think most people in this thread will be familiar with the classic, Conway's Game of Life:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life
However, that's just scratching the surface of what's out there in this field. Conway's Game of Life is a 2-dimensional binary CA, but you can also extend similar logic to arbitrary dimensions and with arbitrary numbers of states for each cell. For example, attachment 2 of my post shows a 1D binary automata, called "Rule 30" in the Wolfram denomination. Interestingly, similar patterns as that created by rule 30 are found in nature, on certain seashells.
mathworld.wolfram.com/Rule30.html
devinacker.github.io/celldemo/ (you can find loads of automata simulators out there, this is just one I found after ten seconds of Googling)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_loops (Langston Loops are a specific kind of 2d multi-state automata which support a DNA-like "tape" of memory which allows the eponymous loops to copy themselves)
I would say that in general, cellular automata are less about simulating life itself, and more like simulating elementary particles. You can imagine that each cell in an automata are like Planck-distance slices of a universe, and the state of that cell denotes the presence of energy. The rules which determine when/how cells turn on and off are the physical properties of that universe; the fundamental forces. But interestingly, you can apply the theory of evolution to these elementary forces, just like you can to life. Things start off chaotic, like the post-big-bang energy soup. Energy/mass structures that are resilient tend to stick around, and soon enough all energy is arranged into one of these forms. Then those forms bounce around until they combine and rearrange into larger, more complex shapes (assuming that your chosen universe has physical forces that support such complexity; thankfully, ours does). Quantum foam -> quarks -> neutrons/protons/electrons -> atomic elements -> molecules -> single celled life -> multi-celled life.
youtube.com/watch?v=4fVN1nA4MWQ
youtube.com/watch?v=dQJ5aEsP6Fs
youtube.com/watch?v=uIXMSPsG9mk
youtube.com/watch?v=F5oKgVZ6bTk

I realize I've rather gone off track from the original discussion about evolution games, so I'll end here. But, if people are interested in me continuing, I have more I could say about cellular automata tomorrow. And maybe I could dig through my notes and find some more simulators out there that I quite like.

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Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

Ok, one final thing before I go. An evolutionary competition of Langston Loop-style automata:
youtube.com/watch?v=MGRPwuVvErs

And, finally, single-rotation cellular automata:
youtube.com/watch?v=7g33V6i2Loc
dmishin.github.io/singlerot-smooth/singlerot-smooth.html
That last link is a version you can play yourself.

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Joseph Martinez
Joseph Martinez

This is a really fun fish tank game. Good modification and save system, though I've only turned the CO2 up and down.

Starts with a couple of bacteria, forms a green clump that gets destroyed by red and white. At low total CO2+O2 it seems that red and a minority grey win out, with no movement. With over ~30,000(?) it starts being dominated by a stationary blue shelled geometric shape; a minority of very fast 'virus infectors' eats defective blue shapes/other things, keeping it stable at any CO2+O2 level.

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Bentley Adams
Bentley Adams

Biogenesis, see here:

Life has gone from the kind of circular shape design to a more spiny and sinister looking direction. Some of the offshoots are looking a bit too much like spiders to my taste. That second bastard even moves.
If this trend continues, I think I must succeed where god failed. I must make the arachnids go extinct.

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Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

killing spiders
What did they ever do to you? They are the best kind of creatures.

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

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Julian Bennett
Julian Bennett

Cell lab is a great "game" on phone.

Ryan Davis
Ryan Davis

What did they ever do to you?
Lets see:
exist
be within 100 million light years of my physical form
Those two are reason enough to exterminate any and all arachnids.
Luckily nature took the decent route and the spidery threat was eliminated without my interference. Now life prospers as fertile photosynthetic and mostly peaceful life

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Kevin Lee
Kevin Lee

boxcar2d.com/

Probably one of the best I've seen.

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

The SNES version was most certainly superior. Heartbreaking, but superior.

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Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

Oh god, death bees on the rise.

I started a new, bigger world (with some more CO2 to balance out the larger area), but I included the latest most successful species from the old one. Judging by the shape (7 limbs) of the bigger creatures, they remained very successful.

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Michael Watson
Michael Watson

And would you look at that. The stationary life developed a blue armor. Nature finds a way.

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Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

Why am I the only one to ever bring up SimLife?

Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

natural selection as it's main theme
E.V.O. presents a complete misunderstanding of evolution and probably gave a lot of impressionable young children the wrong idea.

Aaron Diaz
Aaron Diaz

Good job user
TFW very well learned in Math and Biology but have yet to take the time to learn how to code
Fucking next level classes are expecting me to already know how to code/program despite the fact that no classes before it taught me anything about CS
If I just spent a summer learning basic programming shit how long would it take me to be decent at Python with no computer science knowledge?

Blake Kelly
Blake Kelly

What are some good /sci/ games though? Does it even exist, something where you can simulate and really learn things.

NO I am not talking about magic school bus series of computer games.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Universe sim
Space Chem
Fold it
Tyto ecology
Some of the games posted here.
I am pretty sure there are dozens if not hundreds of games that teach math or Comp Sci skills.

Noah Butler
Noah Butler

Thanks user I was baiting because I am too lazy to research tonight but I still appreciate it.

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

(690e4d here)
Since you already have a strong Maths background, and your chosen language is Python (very high level modern language which abstracts away a lot of the nitty gritty), I'd say you could achieve a basic level of understanding within a single summer. Just find some decent tutorials online, and maybe look into what sort of programming knowledge these classes actually want you to have.
Some important coding concepts every programmer should know: common data types (int, double/float, string, char, boolean), math/logical operators (+, -, ×, /, % [modulo], <, >, !=, etc), logical branching (if/else if/else, for loops, while loops, foreach loops), variables, functions, and simple object oriented program design.

Jeremiah Jones
Jeremiah Jones

for the common folk, medusoids are most jellyfish, and there are a lot of immortal ones. Some trees are immortal; single specimens are upwards of 10,000 yrs old, surviving past the last glacial period. They do this by regenerating from roots.

Also, some black chick had a wacky form of cancer that killer her but the cancer colonies survived and reproduce, meaning she is technically immortal. Her cells are used in all kinds of experiments because they can reproduce and are pretty much human

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

Don't mind me, just taking an advantage of posting robo girls.

Also Conway's Game of Life can be another example even though it's just showing generations instead of the individual life form.

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Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

Watching Civilization games play themselves with only AI on the boards pretty neat.

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

So is Mario Party but for entirely different reasons.

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

Space Chem is a nice puzzle game but it has nothing to do with chemistry.

John Torres
John Torres

Early life is mostly pacific
There's some autistic green+yellow simple organisms breeding in the bottom left corner
Some weird balls of red white and yellow that never do anything
And the hooks, which are simple tiny sanic fuckers who go around the place crashing on things like madmen. Pretty balanced on yellow + green
I like the hooks, so I feed one a little bit
One of the hook's sons gets some red lines and goes fucking berserk on the bottom left yellow green autists
Soon the hooks dominate the entire fucking screen raping and pillaging every other living creature
Even a few hours later the hooks' reign of terror continues

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Leo Harris
Leo Harris

Time passes and the hooks keep killing the shit out of everything
No new creature can withstand the strength of the hooks
A new worthy challenger species pops up, the wheels
Instead reproducing so fast the hooks can't kill them off, they have surrounded themselves in blue so they're impervious to hook attacks
For a while the wheels are able to reproduce completely ignoring the hooks, but then the hooks mutated into smaller, pointier versions that sometimes can go right between the wheels defenses and start eating them up
And so the battle continues
I have no idea why is this so fucking interesting to me

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Angel Hall
Angel Hall

I don't know why we haven't seen anything this cool in games.

Mason Lee
Mason Lee

Shame biogenesis always converges to big photosythesizers with a shell of blue segments and little squigle shaped predators consisting of a red cyan and grey segment that zip around the map eating each other and any photosynthesizer that dies of old age.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

It's almost like that's the most efficient ecosystem given the rules of the simulation

Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

Because we still haven't gotten over Spore

Adam Phillips
Adam Phillips

robo girls
basically humans but with lines on them and little shit which hardly makes a huge difference.
Shit taste.

Luis Phillips
Luis Phillips

There's other aspects to it I think. Eternal youth is a pretty good point. Also custom paint jobs.

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

I'll see how hard it is to get Yellow segments to protect against White so Blue would be vulnerable to infection.

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