Why is this game derided so much? Explain its flaws

Lucas Hill
Lucas Hill

Why is this game derided so much? Explain its flaws.

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Brody Russell
Brody Russell

sage

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

It's not a traditional video game so it's hard for some people to get it.

Tyler Rogers
Tyler Rogers

It's a 5v5 game that uses matchmaking to create teams in a game that requires group co-ordination and strategy. It's a living hell when one weak link can pull your team apart and you have no control over who you get paired with if you are solo.
I guarantee 50% of the hate would disappear if you were forced to create a lobby and talk to people before you started each match. Same goes for all online team games though.

Jose Adams
Jose Adams

There's nothing wrong with it the Holla Forums hivemind just dislikes it because they can't play it well.

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

Also building on what says it's best played in a team of 5 and most anons are lucky to have one friend to play with.

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

Niggers

Jackson Phillips
Jackson Phillips

That's it? So you guys would have no problem with the game if it existed only within a professional circuit?

Noah Sanchez
Noah Sanchez

hour long matches
"gameplay" is autism farming simulator where you spend 30 minutes doing amazing stuff like hitting a creep and clicking back and forth
no region locking
99% of the playerbase are literal braindead 10 year old retards who openly speak Russian on english only servers and don't give a flying fuck
dress up simulator who's only purpose is to get said ten year olds addicted to online gambling
And that's only from the top of my head.

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

Yesterday my game was effectively ruined because two people both refused to give midlane to the other. They went there together,leaving me alone toplane. You may ask, they were 2v1 wouldn't the enemy midlaner be in trouble? Well they both tried to get the lasthits which mostly resulted in neither one of them getting it. After they destroyed the tower and one of them left the other one simply couldnät farm creeps anymore without repeatedly dying to enemy midlaner.

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Daniel Brown
Daniel Brown

I enjoy Dota 2.

hour long matches

It happens, yes. I hate it when games go that long.

"gameplay" is autism farming simulator where you spend 30 minutes doing amazing stuff like hitting a creep and clicking back and forth
Not so much recently. The game "gets going" a lot faster than it used to (pre 7.0). Roaming supports are standard and the previous 3+ patches have all given buffs to supports.

no region locking

100% agree fucking nuke south america this is by far Dota 2's worst feature besides unranked matchmaking.

99% of the playerbase are literal braindead 10 year old retards who openly speak Russian on english only servers and don't give a flying fuck

Russians plague EUW servers. USW/E get stuck with south americans. Dota 2 needs region lock.

dress up simulator who's only purpose is to get said ten year olds addicted to online gambling
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Treasures have gotten out of hand since Battle Passes (jew shit) became so popular. Its jew nonsense and the kids eat it up.

The game is not without flaws.

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Brody Davis
Brody Davis

Of all assfaggots i only enjoyed classic Warcraft 3 Dota maps. Back when ice frog was still releasing new versions of it.
Fuck, i used to enjoy a lot of hero based maps and maps based on AoS Starcraft concept before it turned into competitive "muh balance" shitfest of spergs.

Playing over and over same Dota 2 map can be really fucking boring. Especially when people sperg out about each others decisions every minute and think this is fun to scream loudly and make stupid 360 noscope parody videos with dubstep and how they ironically shitpost about it. The only thing worse is owning a twitch channel and being a whore.
Assfaggots is actually dead, its just its a mass necrophilia syndrome going on right now.

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Landon James
Landon James

its a glorified lootbox delivery system for valve so that they can keep mooching off of money from microtransactions without any effort.

Wyatt Bennett
Wyatt Bennett

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I went back into Dota after a 4 month break. First three matches were literally grief matches. Stop playing it because everyone is cancer, but when I come back everyone is still cancer.

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Nicholas Long
Nicholas Long

It's popular and some people blame it for killing the RTS genre.
It also got popular without "mainstream gamers" noticing, because there were no ad campaigns and paid reviews, so that made people doubly angry because they didn't want to feel as if they had missed something.

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

dress up simulator who's only purpose is to get said ten year olds addicted to online gambling
its a glorified lootbox delivery system for valve so that they can keep mooching off of money from microtransactions without any effort.
Just don't buy them. There is no point where the game punishes you/puts you at an disadvantage for not buying cosmetics.

Jack Brooks
Jack Brooks

You've asked us two separate things, OP. Its flaws aren't necessarily why it's ridiculed so often here.
Why is this game derided so much?
Its frustrating community.
LoL and Riot have poisoned the idea of ASSFAGGOTS in the minds of non-casuals.
It makes filthy amounts of money.
Near impossible to learn without a big time investment.
It was ripped off by inspired LoL, and ASSFAGGOTS, which some RTS fans accredit to the decline of the genre. I don't think this is true, but the animosity is strong.

Explain its flaws.
Does a terrible job explaining itself. Newbies either have to sit in a demo room and read what seem like walls of text to understand one character and its abilities.
The custom game setup is not well integrated. The editor is very powerful but every patch update destroys map creators' work. Very hard for them to do much.
The monetisation system is fair, but there are very few aesthetic rewards you can earn without putting money into it. The worst thing is that they started with a great balance, with occasional drops from a game being fair and still something, but Valve have since dropped that back far.
Buggy. Valve don't have many people working on this game, and there are a few niggling imperfections. Rarely anything gamebreaking, but it'd be good to have another developer working on bugfixing and UI polishing.

I still give the core game a 9/10, it's just that good.

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Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

It's a casualized version of Starcraft, and killed the whole genre of RTS by introducing normalfags to it.

Benjamin Edwards
Benjamin Edwards

same i got bord of playing with peruvians and shit gets stale

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

not even the same genre, retard.
the reason rts died is either because humanity as a whole got dumber to appreciate it or we can just chalk it up to the west being significantly stupid that they let gooks takeover that genre.

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

It's a subgenre made out of a mod made because a modder's little brother couldn't enjoy an RTS because there were too many resources to manage.
In addition it's used as a cash sink and to groom players that will behave in agreeable ways for tournaments to milk even more money out of venues and admission despite not actually creating any actual new content for the game, and the game certainly is lacking in content depth even with all the extraneous shit they have piled onto it. In addition it is the prime example of matchmaking being used to groom player behavior instead of having organic player activity.

Nicholas Sanchez
Nicholas Sanchez

RTS dumbed down for 80 IQ third worlders.

Samuel Price
Samuel Price

complaints about community toxicity ITT
I still get shit games, but if they're that big a problem you need to remember two things

Muting is a feature
Valve's matchmaking pairs people with good reputations with each other more often. Grin and bear the bad shit, keep a positive mental attitude and you might rack up enough commends to get mostly non-cancerous teammates

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Josiah Ward
Josiah Ward

be a good goy to earn good goy points
How about eat shit and die?

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

You are assuming you can actually communicate with your teammates half the time. Often they are South American, Slav or Chinese niggers bickering in their garbage language

Ayden Gonzalez
Ayden Gonzalez

I knew this thread would get them. Are we really sure that ASSFAGGOTS are why? What proof?

It became more popular
So did MMOs, so did GoW-style shooters, so have DayZ ripoffs now. Did they kill off RTS? Can we really say there was an overlap?
ASSFAGGOTS are just dumbed down RTSes
That just tells me you suck at ASSFAGGOTS and don't know how to play them, which is exactly the issue with the majority of scrubs in this genre. They think they know it because they can micromanage, build fast bases and pull off surrounds in other games, but ASSFAGGOTS is frankly different. Team communication, hero priority, being protective of your carry, etc. are principles that only have an allegory in the RTS genre but play out very different in motion. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges because they're fruit.
RTS games since haven't succeeded
Is that really ASSFAGGOTS' fault?
<C&C3 was good and successful, but EA cucked their own dev studio and mismanaged the rest
<SC2 had success but its own shortcomings meant people left; a scene which looked immortal under BW slowly dwindled to the point where Bliz are now shilling their older strategy games like WC3
<Grey Goo and subsequent RTSes have had no marketing

hour long matches
I love Dota can have these, though. It's a rare hype, and winning one is phenomenal. Way better than the formulaic design Bliz and Riot have so that matches end by the 15-30 minute mark

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Jayden Jenkins
Jayden Jenkins

Because it helped popularise a cancerous genre alongiside LoL.

Connor Garcia
Connor Garcia

Popular things are not derided purely because they are popular. The hatred (and apprehension at best) is due to the inevitability of the whole thing being toned down to appeal to a greater market share. The uniqueness of the game is sacrificed to pull in more shekels and the devs NEVER FUCKING EVER double down on the assumption that what it had is what brought people to it anyways. But casuals don't ever understand the depth a game had, so when it is bastardized they never interacted with it at a deep level to even notice the game was ruined for their fucking pleasure.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

not being a cunt to everyone means being (((their))) buttmonkey
Are the jews using reverse psychology to turn us into dysfunctional apes?

The chat wheels, pinging, alt-clicking and more are options.
These work universally of language. They're far faster to talk with and can be said without any of your frustration seeping in. Why not use them? They do work, at least often enough to try.

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Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Because it is superior version of RTS and RTS fans can't get over this fact. It constantly reminds them about "good old times" when "classic" RTS had no competition and gamers we forced to play this clunky UI genre. Now superior competition exist everyone except hardcore fans left, and RTS fans left alone has nothing to do but to whine about their loss.

John Foster
John Foster

On euro servers, slavs are allowed to run rampant. At least Legal Legends had the sense to not allow Cyrillic or other non-alphabetic character sets, and had EU northeast set up as a slav containment area. I'm sure US has its own brownskin problem in Dota that's equivalent to slavs in Europe.

Dota2 being a modern nu-game means it has a toxic community in the sense that some cunt will go out of his way to ruin your game while being just 'nice' enough to stay within the rules, but if you dare to call him a faggot it's you who will get fucked for it. It's that high school "reporting" culture where everyone abuses the rules to be mean to each other but can't handle banter or fun.

Cosmetics are always bad, they're a form of video game cancer and cannot be "done right".

e-sports was only good when it was a joke to use the phrase 'e-sports', when the leagues were player-created and run and there were no meaningful prizes or fame to be had. Gookclick gaminghouse sponsor tournaments are cancer and probably the death of competitive gaming for the foreseeable future.

ELO-based matchmaking is soul-destroying because normalfags and bad players cannot handle it.

Evan Lopez
Evan Lopez

RTS games have never had good UI
The biggest RTS games have never been enjoyable at a casual level
I'm defending Dota here but holy shit

You're completely right. But the reason why I'm a fan of Dota is that this hasn't happened yet. Clutter has been removed, and some roles are less all-or-nothing in utility, but the mechanical depth of the game has only grown. Valve have managed to keep their shekel hungry ways away from the core game itself.

We saw HoTS act as a casual ASSFAGGOTS. It failed; LoL and Dota still dominate the genre. Other competitors like Paragon and SMITE have likewise been muscled out, either failing or settling for their small niches. For what remains of the genre's time in the spotlight, it might actually subvert the trend of simplification we're so used to at this point.

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Brayden Ross
Brayden Ross

even if this is bait, the best thing about this thread are rtsfags scattering salt.
they should have gitgud if they didn't want gooks overrunning their game and killing any interest about it aside from worst korea.
doesn't help that gooks left rts to die and moved on to lol.

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

be a raging faggot
get matched with other raging faggots
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Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

classic BananaShitstainSlamDogshitJamma

Parker Jenkins
Parker Jenkins

I used to like the game a lot. It was like crack. I watch the International every year and still will even though I quit, it's really fun to watch. TI is something I can gladly shitpost about, and still genuinely enjoy watching at the same time, like a bizarro E3. Onto why I quit though, 7.00 ruined the game for me. I fucking hate the new talent system, and some of the more recent balance changes were retarded.

Xavier James
Xavier James

mfw Korea will never, EVER win a TI

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Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

The biggest RTS games have never been enjoyable at a casual level
When they had no proper competition. As superior MOBAs arrived "the artificial difficulty" RTS genre keeled over.

RTS games have never had good UI
Proper RTS UI is controlling one unit. Moving away from that reduced performance.

ELO-based matchmaking is soul-destroying because it destroys idea of self improvement. Elo is perfect "level scaling monsters". No matter how players does, good or bad, player will get same 50% winrate result. Perfect dream world of liberals where everyone equally wins. Player would never feel real tangible results of his improvement.

Ryder Davis
Ryder Davis

Constant incremental updates and competitive games just don't go together. Dota 2 does a better job at it than most, but it's still a bad idea. Sooner or later it drains the life out of the game even if there's no disastrous set of changes in one of the hundreds of updates forced on the game.

imagine:
Real-world Poker update v0.0.1.3.457 (Early Access)
we didn't like the way people were enjoying poker in the real world and running successful poker tournaments
we've changed the rules so poker now has to be played the way we think it should be played. All your strategies are now invalid, please learn the game again.
there will be another update to Poker next month based on our new arbitrary whims

Yes, I've slugged through ELOs and even at the top it's as bland as at any other level. I miss having a healthy spread of good and bad players in a given server. Getting destroyed by great players enjoying a good pubstomp made me want to get better at the game.

Evan Peterson
Evan Peterson

Only good thing about DOTA 2.

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Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

I never heard of this bideo game

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

call someone a faggot
get banned forever

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Penny Arcade is responsible for this.
archive.fo/NOilR
They made a video on this, talked to devs and even encouraged their fanbase to mail Microsoft and others devs about this. They wanted automated bans for people that get reported to much.´. They took their video down for some reason and I was not able to find a backup or reuploaded version.

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Zachary Roberts
Zachary Roberts

Like my only problem is the entire MOBA genre is that your progression is locked down to one match.
I.e. no matter how far you level up and what shit you get, you start next round with nothing.
It's fucking frustrating.
Why make progression at all then?

This is why I prefer fighting games - no progression, pure skill.

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Connor Howard
Connor Howard

Just don't buy them
Because ignoring the cancer is gonna make it go away right?
Why don't you fuck off?

Jaxon Martin
Jaxon Martin

It's part of the game shitty poseur RTS genre. ASSFAGGOTS are the reason we don't get new Age of Empires/Rise of Nations sequels.

Jonathan Johnson
Jonathan Johnson

Because the point is how you progress you dimwit. Every game you have a unique scenario from heroes to people playing. You are put on even playing field and its your job to make it uneven.

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James Bennett
James Bennett

what logic is this?
i play fighting games the same reason i play shit like dota. because the only progression is player skill. one requires individual skill while the other requires skill to carry 4 retards against 5 others.
nothing carries over to the next match, just improvement on the player.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

ASSFAGGOTS are the reason we don't get new Age of Empires/Rise of Nations sequels.
Nigger, shut the fuck up. You think we would have new RTS games if Dota and LoL didn't exist? You are a fucking nigger. There is a reason why recent RTS games suck, these kind of games are simply hard to make. And on top of that, nobody is willing to play them online because everyone is afraid of getting their ass kicked. Just look into the RTS threads, everybody is playing offline or RA1 and RA2 because they have figured that game out. Nobody is willing to pick up a new RTS and play it online.

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

What?
You may be right to call me dimwit since I can't understand what's your point.

Mobas have levels, and gear that you accumulate like in action rpgs similar to diablo.
At least you do in Dota. I didn't try other ones.

Ian Moore
Ian Moore

Valve has no fucking clue what the fuck they're doing and is just blindly following sheckles, and as a result, the game has been on a decline ever since Dota Reborn. I honestly wonder how many of the players are just bot accounts for getting out of LPQ/buying accounts/etc. The games doing what every game that is turning to shit does. Slowly bleed players until its a fraction of a fraction of the size it use to be.

Just look at how they handled the issue of not having teammates speak the same language. Instead of doing region lock, they waited for fucking YEARS to eventually make the game pair english speakers against non-english speakers, sometimes. Even fucking League has region lock.

And their way of handling game-ruining players has been a fucking joke. Automated mutes? Automated bans? Are you serious? This is a game where you get reported just because a shitstain wants someone to blame on your team. You could have just ripped off League's system (Which CS:GO also uses) and had player moderators watch replays which would be 1000x better even if a bit flawed, but then you'd lose 1/10th of a sheckle to compensate them with skins or whatever. As a fucking result, the community gets more and more cancerous and finds ways around it. Such as farming commends to get their behaviour score up.

Valve's latest scam to get more money, dota plus, shows the game isn't even a fucking game anymore. Something that made this game more and more unfun is when players try to badly rip off pros or the meta instead of experimenting on their own. Completely ignoring the fact the meta is different at each skill level and essentially just mindlessly copying things without knowing why it would work or not. It's like they're not even playing the fucking game. This game isn't even a game anymore. It's just a cesspool of meta. Players forgot you can win in pubs without copying the meta, or have fun without copying something, but the game isn't about that anymore. It's not about understanding the mechanics or any of that. It's about copying other people

Honestly though, dota is unhealthy. It's super addictive even when it's absolutely miserable. It's just so fucking miserable and unfun now that players are starting to leave. And all of this isn't even addressing the gameplay issues such as buffing starting HP, fairie fires, raindrops, wells, gold flowing in the fucking rivers, etc

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Justin Jones
Justin Jones

You think we would have new RTS games if Dota and LoL didn't exist?
This is true. Superior MOBAs took way players from the inherently flawed RTS games. RTS have no big audience and market to sell because of that.

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

Hour long matches
A bad thing
Fucking casual, I bet you love Overwatch if you can't stand a game being long.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

Its a party game that has no business being "competitive"

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

Why is this thread not sage bombed into oblivion?

Joshua Perez
Joshua Perez

In order to play ranked you have to be level 30
Games are 30m+
This requires approximately 150 games, or 75h
Some games are just shit
Through no fault of your own, the game is lost within the first 5 minutes with no hopes of recovery
Have to wait the other 25 minutes-hour for the game to end or else you get punished for leaving

Carter Long
Carter Long

Game is not bad, the community is retarded. All these features are cool additions to the game to keep niggers out, but when 80% of the community is fucking retarded they still make it into ranked games.

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

no hope of recovery
This is also false. Fuck off casual. This isn't even me defending dota, it's me telling you that an hour long match isn't bad and only a casual has that give up mentality.

William Campbell
William Campbell

Nothing wrong with long matches, but some matches are just cancer. Imagine you first pick support and your team proceeds to pick absolute passive cancer heroes will the enemy goes full offensive heroes. You have to spend at least 20 minutes doing nothing will your team get's destroyed. For example, carry drow games. When your only real core is a safelane drow you gonna have a bad time. Because that shit hero isn't doing anything. You want to gank? Nah, nobody coming with you, and that is basically the only thing you can do as a support.

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

I've won plenty of unwinnable matches like that. But these days everyone wants to give up and move to next at the first sign of issues. With issues with the game valve failed to address like boosting services, bought accounts, shit match making, region MMR inflation, etc…. You can't really blame the players for wanting to give up.

Cooper Thomas
Cooper Thomas

I played it for three hours, I enjoyed it, but not the part that really matters.
This was around 4 years back so shit might have changed drastically. Basically the problem lies in the fact that this game is so dependent on other players, except said other players are so shitty it completely ruins the experience. I played around 10 PvP matches. Every single match had any combination of the following
someone who probably has difficulty controlling his motor functions
deaf and blind idiots who can't see wards
people who leave the instant things don't go right for them in the first nanosecond
russians
Believe me I enjoyed the game. I enjoyed playing the supports and getting crafty with abilities and items. But if the people you're playing with are so desperate for a nuke then I'm not going to stick around in the hopes that eventually I'll find a once in a lifetime match that's actually fun to play.
I haven't played much of it to talk shit about the actual gameplay, but I will say last hitting was not that fun(denying was) of a mechanic.

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

Nigger, you are really fucking stupid. Thats literally your fucking role. Protect the lategame carries. One team bets on lategame whiles the other bets on late game. This match up is fucking ancient and you get pissed over it?

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Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

This is also false.
This is not. If player is decided that match is lost it is his right to believe so. game is about player choice. Player chooses his course of action, what he believes is the best. Te may be right and win he maybe be wrong and lose. This is the game. Decision to surrender match is no different than decision what hero to pick. Now you coming in and saying that players does not have capacity to decide how to play game, that means gaming process itself is meaningless.

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

That's not what I mean, you can turn a lot of shit around when you try. but sometimes you end up in a match with niggers who don't even want to win. Like, you open up the profile of your carry and you see that he has played 8 matches today. That assclown is clearly tired as fuck and plays out of… who fucking knows… But he clearly doesn't want to win. he goes jungle 24/7, ignoring the minimap and everything else. Sometimes you just get 4 niggers in your team who wait for the game to end.

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

1) It's Steam-only. We're not fans of Steam, so that alone is enough.
2) Community is seriously fucking retarded until you enter high MMRs.
3) MMR system is complete dogshit and Valve wants you to pay for the chance to fix your MMR.
4) Valve is casualizing the shit with talent trees, shrines, rebalances, and other crud. Their new heroes are dumb as hell too, carrying is in general more difficult (and more teamwork-dependence means more chances your cancer team will ruin your game) and Valve's predilection towards forcing a particular meta is really annoying.

Honestly DotA is an inferior AoS game on the whole. Maybe among professional AoS games it looks good, but if you were part of the Warcraft 3 custom map community, there were a lot of better ones. I personally liked playing perSonas back in the day, although that got broken by a patch, but they made a sequel called Arkana.

David Turner
David Turner

Its nothing but foreign shitters. Mexicans, Peruvians, Russians. Theres so much griefing and shit behaviour with the players that it becomes an awful time playing, win or lose.

the worse players are usually the most vocal, even if I was to support flawlessly I would get blamed for their own failings, There is so much ? EZ Shit talking that it makes you really appreciate other videogames communities, people actually being polite and saying thank you comes off so alien after playing dota 2 for so long.

Now some of you might be thinking that its a videogame and that I should go look for a hugbox game thats less discouraging. Well I simply dont see how people can be encouraged to work as a team in a team based game if you're surrounded by shit flinging apes that will ruin your game if they so much as not get their gold rune. I dont see how someone can think to themself I want to help my team with the dota 2 community. I honestly have more fun playing tiny and throwing them at enemy towers, its what these people deserve. I'm digusted more so with myself being involved with this abomination of a videogame.

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Grayson Walker
Grayson Walker

Player chooses his course of action, what he believes is the best.
Are you one of those faggots who doesn't buy BKB vs invoker, zeus, etc

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Chase Scott
Chase Scott

Fuck off casual. It's thanks to idiots like you that 60% of league games end with the team voting to surrender. There are so many games I have won despite us losing up until the end. You are the definition of casual.

Jack Cox
Jack Cox

user gets triggers by EZ
post pop shit ebin
is a greifer
This post is bait, right?

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

It's called a late game strat. If you can't even comprehend this then you're better off not playing dota.

Ian Rogers
Ian Rogers

crappy cashgrab that could only possibly be consistently fun in a match of all friends that requires you to have (((steam))) to play

Jordan Price
Jordan Price

We

Shoo shoo, tornigger.

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

No it's not, there is no thing as "late game start" in dota anymore. This is why Huskar is op in 5k and okay in low ranked games. In 5k Huskar and his team and the game in 25 minutes, in low mmr people don't realize that he falls of and they jerk around until the enemy manages to come back. You gain a early advantage and finish the game.

But I wasn't even talking about that, I am talking about people who say "fuck you all" and then go afk jungle, dodging all fights, just waiting for the game to end. If the enemy team is equally retarded and goes jungle all day long you have to wait 30 minutes doing nothing because the enemy doesn't want to finish yet and your team doesn't want to play.

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

Everyone should do what i say
What is even the purpose of asking for other humans in your game?

Julian Rivera
Julian Rivera

Should I have mentioned mass pingspamming, courier feeding and a tilted carry blaming me for the loss when I give them free farm early game? Because thats generally the stuff that pisses me off that falls in the catergory with the 'ez ????' shit.
You make it sound like its dumb for people to get irratated by these people that can waste up to an hour of your time in dota 2.

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Elijah Young
Elijah Young

Late game isn't rigidly tied to a minute count, it's tied to how fat the late carries are at any given point. As soon as a main carry starts getting 3+ items you know you're riding the wave into the late game.

Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

It's an ongoing effort keeping up with community meta and balance charges on top of a steep initial learning curve on top of dealing with a community driven slightly insane by all the listed experiences. There are elements of these things in any worthwhile multiplayer game, but at some point it stops being a game and more like a shitty job.

Samuel Diaz
Samuel Diaz

Nah man. Youre strawmanning. I casually play it almost everyday when i don't have work to do and that shit rarely happens.

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Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

I think that the main issue is that assfaggots plague RTSes by association, now devs think RTSes have to invest in (((esports))) or outright make assfaggots instead of RTS. Most games got hit by shit that assafggots have brought, but RTSes were hit the hardest. And apparently central european autism grew weak, so there's not much of an audience. Or maybe RTSes simply drown in marketing noise, I don't know.

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

That's what I was getting at though. The community is so tilt from the same shit over and over again, that even if you can win they will just give up at the first sign of resistance.

Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

Its just another case of faggot devs or publisher misreading audience. I like Dota but I still love RTS games and I'm sad that devs/publishers forcing upon devs are retarded.

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Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

Dota is the reason shit like overwatch became a thing. If you like, or play this game kill yourself.

Easton Sullivan
Easton Sullivan

Oh, the CHALLENGE system encourages players to prioritize doing retarded shit over winning. Also Valve's tendency to push players into a specific meta, implement build-up phase requirements, and generally make the game more reliant on teamfighting and teamwork really don't help when 4/5ths of the team consist of people who are not you, thus limiting your ability to decide matches with superior skill. And the lack of backdooring reduces strategic possibilities further.

Ultimately Valve's balancing trend is more pushing players towards a specific meta than allowing a diversity in gameplay strategies.

being a steamfag
Go back to /4chan/index.html newfag. You're on Holla Forums, and this ain't a goddamn 4/v/ bunker for you to shitpost in every time you get banned from halfchan for being too retarded even for them.

True. Although these days you can't go wild with shit like MoM anymore. They nerfed that item right proper.

Wyatt Mitchell
Wyatt Mitchell

True. If you add a surrender option to DotA you will see DotA 1 plugpullers make a comeback and attempt to surrender and throw a fit when it fails because they died 5 minutes into the game then feed or rage all game long because "game is lost" or shit.

Logan Adams
Logan Adams

The MoM meta was fucking retarded.
You mean TF2.

Aaron Rogers
Aaron Rogers

It's pretty funny how people used to complain about RTS matches taking too long to finish because you'd need to make a base and an army, yet those usually last about half an hour at most (unless you're playing something really slow) and now they're stuck with hour-long slogs.

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Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Then you're a lucky son of a bitch, because the shit I just said happend to me yesterday, or the day before that.

I had a game where I was supporting as rubick, was beating the enemy with a 3 v 3 top lane fight. I ended up having the most farm while mid and my carry only had a Shadow blade, 20+ into the game despite they never ganked in general.

What comes off to strawmanning to you is pretty damn common to some folks. But playing in a pub game instead of ranked is probably my fault but its still a thing regardless.

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Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

On the contrary, Holla Forums hivemind is cuckchan shit.

Evan Cook
Evan Cook

RTSs are fucked because nobody wants to experiment with the genre, and now that mobas are a thing, they're pretty much doomed to either be a moba clone or a C&C clone.

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

Works on my machine.
I'm not saying this shit doesn't happen but judging by my own experience its overblown as fuck.

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Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

It's probably dependent on your ranks.

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

faggot devs or publisher
Oh, you with (((they))) were faggots. They don't misread anything - they aim for the exact audience they want. It's called "lowest common denominator".
I don't want an innovative 4D all physics buzzwords game, I just want a fun game. Too bad nobody knows how2 anymore.

John Long
John Long

Well if you don't want innovation there's indie C&C clones. Personally I have a really hard time getting into RTS'. They just all feel the same.

Charles Evans
Charles Evans

My point was they try to make shekels by appealing to what popular even though thats not what their audience wants and they end up losing because they are retarded.

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

They don't misread anything - they aim for the exact audience they want.
And they're really bad at that. Just look at DoW3. Face it, a lot of devs don't know what they're doing. They try to pull players away from DOTA and LoL not realizing that the people who play those games don't want to invest time in other, similar, new and little known games. MOBAs are a huge time sink and hugely addictive, so the players won't want to spend time learning another game when they already have a game they know inside and out. MOBAs ruin RTS games indirectly when devs try to cater to an audience that does not give a shit about RTS.

Caleb Clark
Caleb Clark

You said exactly what I was trying to say in less words. Fuck me.

Hudson Scott
Hudson Scott

MOBAs ruin RTS games indirectly when devs try to cater to an audience that does not give a shit about RTS.
MOBAs ruin RTS gaming because it is better and proper version of RTS. RTS can't compete with them.

Gavin King
Gavin King

And they ended it by completely savaging the item so it silences you. High risk high reward playstyles are hard to come by now.

Never go pure support you moron. Remember the ABC of DotA: ALWAYS. BE. CARRYING. Or personally, always semi-carry (preferably with disables). When you play pure support, you open yourself up to this shit where your team's carry is too retarded to carry the game and you end up losing no matter how well you can support. If you were to just add Midas, pick the 60 damage talent at 10, and use the extra gold you amassed later on to get shit like Orchid and Halberd, you would've had a hero that both supports and carries instead of depending on his dogshit carry.

Alright, that's a fair argument, but a lot of people here really DO hate Steam.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

Never go pure support you moron.
This works until you start losing games simply because the enemy team had a support who did nothing but buy smokes, deward and ward.

Angel Davis
Angel Davis

It's true. There really isn't much you can do if you're not party matchmaking.

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. At the end of the day you will lose games simply because no one picked hard support.

I remember being in this situation a couple times, but I can point to a more specific example. I was watching CLQs games where he stomps ancient and below, and he constantly is buying himself wards and smokes. This only really works for him because he's so above the players he's against that he can suffer the small GP loss. In his own rank though, theres multiple times where his team gets raped because the other team has a support.

The only time doing the core/support thing worked for me is when I would pick chen, and just rape all the lanes so hard, get early towers, and end the game before the enemy team knew what the fuck was going on. I suspect this only worked because chen can push like a monster early in.

Elijah Phillips
Elijah Phillips

When rat doto got popular, you'd see people soloing the game with NP because fuck relying on literal niggers when you can just outpush the enemy team by yourself.

Jose Sanders
Jose Sanders

sage

Easton Martinez
Easton Martinez

What?
When the other user said "the point is HOW you progress" he meant that even a simple DotA character can play in a variety of meaningfully different ways depending on item choice, the order you level your skills in, and other factors like your team's income and potential early game snipes.

Of course, many of these builds are outright wrong or outclassed by other strategies (to say nothing of characters being outdone by other characters), so I am skeptical of this claim.

Justin Parker
Justin Parker

A very-highly competitive game, in which small actions have high impact on the game.
A game where you could be losing terribly for 60 minutes and you have to stay and keep at it until the very end.

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

It's okay.

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

That's like comparing

ALWAYS. BE. CARRYING.
What the fuck? Are you stoned or something? Carries don't win games, supports do.
If your team has a decent carry hero picked, then they need a support to get them through the laning and earlygame. Give them their wards, their rotations, their warning pings. Sacrifice yourself for them.
As a support, you're the chessmaster and your team are your pawns. You shephard along your cocky manchild Anti-Mage so he outfarms the other team. Most pub games at low MMR and commend levels are shit because there aren't supports.

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

Can't say I didn't go into the fucking shit. I even bought some skins, but I am regretting it right now.

Supports can counter-carry now? Ayylmao, there is not way you can find a "decent" team right now. There is not team direction or even team composition, you're really playing 1 vs 9.

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

like comparing
<not finishing the sentence because distractions
Fuck, I'm retarded. But that's like saying Sonic games ruin Mario games, when in fact there's a fan overlap between both.

You and are both right in ways. Current RTS devs make this mistake of familiarity by making their RTSes like ASSFAGGOTS, when really the genres and playerbases are different. If they want overlap, they'd probably get more by making RTSes more different to them, not more similar.

Noah Hernandez
Noah Hernandez

fountains and talent trees, also the betrayal of a loyal fanbase in favor of whales

Aiden Parker
Aiden Parker

Too bad he's dead. Now he's just another wannabe DotA streamer with nothing to differenciate himself from any other DotA youtuber aside from some over-the-top complaining. Truly a treasure was lost.
"You have no reason to play DotA anymore if you're an english speaking player."
"There should be a game mode where you get shot in the head the moment that you're negative."

Matthew Roberts
Matthew Roberts

It's a team effort to win, under the ideal circumstances.

Alexander Ross
Alexander Ross

wannabe DotA streamer
Idk about that. I think he only streams because it's his living. He very rarely streams and has said tons of times that he doesn't like it because it's harder to play the game.

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

i stopped playing in the HOTS talents update. seemed like they started taking the mechanics of failed mobas and tried to implement them in their own for some reason. i really hated that. did it get any better since?

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Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

did it get any better since?
No.

Connor Jenkins
Connor Jenkins

Yes you can, it's called having a decent commend/report ratio. 1v9s are the minority, you're acting like they're the constant.

Supports decide so much. Their roaming and lane support. The crowd control. Their ultimates as initiation/followup. Where they ward. In a proper game of dota, fighting without the support can be suicidal and both teams know it.

Mason Thompson
Mason Thompson

Yes, but then again I'd tell you that talents made the game better since it did some much-needed filling for some holes in most heroes' sets.

Asher Harris
Asher Harris

I do agree with that, though my point was mostly in regards to the relationship with his fans. A lot of the people who watched him did so for the Long Qua persona instead of for the DotA content. Now that he's dropped that entirely there really isn't any reason to watch him. Last I heard he streamed to pay for college which is fine, just a shame he was the only DotA content creator putting out content of his nature, and he abandoned it entirely for whatever reason.

Aiden Cox
Aiden Cox

Supports can counter-carry now?
It's called you roam, gank, deward and early push until the enemy team is so crushed they don't even want to play anymore. I remember I use to play nothing but fucking Chen, a hero who is irrelevant after 20 minutes, and would consistently win just because the enemy team had no room to do anything.

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

Dota would be fixed if you could que for a position (1-5. Carry, Mid, Offlane, Roamer, Support) before you join a game. You would have longer que times but it would be worth it to avoid pic related every game.

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David Martin
David Martin

I bet you have 5 k hours. I had around 2.5k after giving up on it. There came a point where I just started to hate the game. How do you guys keep playing it? The game has gotten progressively worse since 6.83 with the comeback mechanics. Just watch pro dota and stop wasting your time on this joke of a game.

Chase Peterson
Chase Peterson

Last I heard he streamed to pay for college which is fine,
That's pretty sad. I remember in one of his old CLQ streams he basically said everything I thought about college almost exactly. That it's basically a scam and the teachers are idiots. At the end of the day though if you don't have a degree most places wont even look at you.

Some people on this board legitimately think the game hasn't been on a decline and that it wont get worse.

Hunter Bell
Hunter Bell

They are actually good.

Justin Williams
Justin Williams

That's a really good idea, too bad you need to post on reddit for valve to read it.

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

I know you're just shitposting, but fuck it. That's like saying that TPS is better than FPS. It's plain wrong, they're different at their core. MOBAs are closer to ARPGs like Diablo than RTS.
I think LoL already has this feature. Or it did the last time I played it which was about 3 years ago. You could team up with a friend or two and form a team. Matchmaking would fill any holes if you didn't have a 5 man team.

David Murphy
David Murphy

not enough cute fairies

also, isn't it a purely PVP game?

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

Hopefully he's majoring in something that isn't completely polluted with stupidity. A couple of friends of mine got degrees in engineering and apparently they barely had to deal with any brainwashing marxist dogshit. If he's going into something other than that though he's probably fucked.

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

Its probably comp sci. He said if he went to college that'd be his major, but he took one class that was so bad he dropped out.

Blake Kelly
Blake Kelly

No, it wouldn't, because this would be ignoring how the meta works. The purpose of positions 1-5 can fluctuate because the meta itself can fluctuate. Part of Dota's charm is that the ideas aren't defined so strongly; if you'd suggested this in 2013, you'd be saying "support 1 and support 2" not "roamer and support". Furthermore, the meta is about going for what is best, not what is best within those definitions. For instance, some carries are so good in lane they don't need supports at all, and so both supports roam. Can we allow that if we have the game hard-coded to define the idea of a hard lane support? We can't.

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Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

What little college I experienced the IT field was strangely polluted by blue-hairs and trannies despite it being a relatively exact science. So he's probably fucked.

Easton Rivera
Easton Rivera

CS feels like the goto major for millennials. Particularly gaming normalfags.

Sebastian Brown
Sebastian Brown

This is a bad idea. The creators should not force any sort of meta, and besides, if you are getting your pic related every game, then chances are your rating is in the dumpster. You can climb out by picking the best hero after accounting for what your teammates pick. Improve yourself instead of whining about your teammates.

Ryder Ortiz
Ryder Ortiz

The creators should not force any sort of meta
I agree with this 100%. Which is why Dota Plus will permanently keep me from ever reinstalling the game, ever.

Carson King
Carson King

Daily reminder that Windrunner is not flat, and her model could be fixed by adjusting one part of her skeleton.

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Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

matches can take up to an hour or more
gameplay is hyper autistic in the most boring and unsatisfying way
only two types of players: autismo turbospergs who play 25 hours a day and have tens of thousands of hours logged, or retarded kiddies who have no idea what they are doing
most of that playerbase are reddit faggots anyways
Gives steam fuckloads of money for selling skins and other stupid shit
it's not fun at all

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Eli Ramirez
Eli Ramirez

That is overwhelmingly true from everything I've read and experienced. Saw some CS major once who actually managed to graduate but was a Transgender antifa supporting self-identified communist. They punched his professor once in a fit of autistic rage but the guy didn't press charges unfortunately.

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Saw some CS major once who actually managed to graduate but was a Transgender antifa supporting self-identified communist. They punched his professor once in a fit of autistic rage but the guy didn't press charges unfortunately.
This is like the cancer is eating itself. Retard professors who curve the class so any idiot can pass and the same retards turning on them.

Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

CS is where the best jobs are at. Since it's popular, of course SJWs are going to be in it to some degree

Levi Moore
Levi Moore

And they ended it by completely savaging the item so it silences you.
It was like that before the retarded MoM meta, newfriend.

Kayden Anderson
Kayden Anderson

let's play a 40 minute game that will ultimately be decided by one late game fight and the tilt from the losing team because of it

This is not fun. It's a waste of time. The only way to play dota is with 4 other friends of about the same skill level but none of us have that which is why people are defending match making itt.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

CS is where the best jobs are at.
I've been debating with myself on whether or not it's worth it. You're going to be spending a lot of time with soyboys and poos. Not to mention most companies are so bloated that they could fire half the people there and still function and it reflects in their code. Doing basic things takes forever, and it's some extremely unfulfilling and tedious work. Having a break-room that serves beer doesn’t change that. Pretty soon paired programming will take over due to the Agile meme, adding another layer of cancer to the whole process.

Logan Hall
Logan Hall

You can still pack a midas and damage talent on your pure support. You might also be able to save gold dewarding by carrying a gem (or using Necronomicon 3). You can also go semi-support on heroes that get superior farm, like Doom.

This only really works for him because he's so above the players he's against that he can suffer the small GP loss.
Not exactly. A lot of idiots are also bad at using cost-effective early to mid-game items to dominate on a budget and just wait to get the big items. If you want some budget asskicking items: Ring of Aquila, Treads, Phase Boots (I've gone double boots before when playing budget builds), Mask of Madness (the silence really fucking sucks though), Helm of the Dominator (OP in the earlygame), Blademail (if you're int, it's a 32 damage item guaranteed to win the trading blows game), Diffusal Blade (People really overlook this combination of damage, attack speed, and slows for just 3.1k). The ability to use cost-effective items is seriously underrated. Every fucking idiot seems to build directly for the lategame prize instead of building earlygame items they'll sell later if it helps them dominate the early and midgame.

If you're playing shit like Luna or Drow, it's totally possible to go earlygame Ring of Aquila, Ring of Aquila, Treads, Wind Lace, and steamroll some poor bastards. Everyone will be confused why you're already destroying people with that tiny bit of farm. You can also go right-click Sniper with Ring of Aquila, Phase, MoM, and Wind Lace. People die before they even know what happened.

You can still buy wards if you're semi-carrying. You can also win the warding game with shit like Beastmaster.

Emphasis on "ideal." Unless you are at high (5k+) idiot-proof MMRs or playing with a crew you know, it really shouldn't be counted on.

Pick Computer Engineering instead. It's better.

I haven't played DotA in a long time.

Isaac Lewis
Isaac Lewis

sage

Nicholas Brown
Nicholas Brown

playing ASSFAGGOTS with friends
Never ever do this.
Pic related is not a joke, this is how every single match will go, there is always going to be at least one guy like that and it is going to really drive a wedge between you if you keep going.
There is no banter, only butthurt and frustration.

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Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

Pick Computer Engineering instead. It's better.
It's the same thing with a different name.

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

I wonder what kind of shitfit the autist who compiled that first image would throw if he saw all the modern immortals with particle effects spilling every which way.

Ryder Ward
Ryder Ward

Dota is the ultimate Zen game
- Must focus on self-improvement win or lose.
- Must try to get along with wide range of nationalities and personalities.
- Endless chances for anger: will you give in or continue as best you can?

Daily reminder that flat is justice and you're a fag.

Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

You share fewer classes with them. You can also go Engineering major with a Computer Science minor. That way you definitely have fewer SJWs to deal with, and you have more well-paying career options.

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

torfaggot has shit opinion
as usual

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

You share fewer classes with them
I don't go to class.
you have more well-paying career options.
Except you don't. Where I'm at all the computer engineering jobs went to electrical engineers, and computer engineering is essentially CS with more time consuming classes.

Samuel Bailey
Samuel Bailey

I had no choice weather to be pure support or not user, we were against an axe in that trilane and they were pushing really hard, ganking hard to deny people farm. I was simply fighting constantly.
But sadly even if I was not pure support, I needed Dragon knight or Wraithking to get blademail, but they chose poorly on items, it was a loss either way.

Levi Reyes
Levi Reyes

assfaggots are just anti-fun time sinks with shit people playing them

Elijah Ward
Elijah Ward

copy and paste gameplay in a oversaturated market
games last way to fucking long
is based on a mod for a infinitly better game
cash shop
characters are forgettable and try way to hard with backstory
movesets are copy and paste reskins of other characters with minor twists that do nothing in the long run
gameplay is mostly the same no matter what role
sit around in lane clicking for an hour
only 5 roles and they are all shit
you can't play the game how you like because teammates r shit
queue times
get into game and your teammates are all foregin shitters
game is mostly hyped up my reddit
cosmetics
lootboxes
it's getting a cardgame
(((competitive)))
It's not fun
Fuck you, check my dubs.

Samuel Allen
Samuel Allen

I wasn't saying to major computer engineering with a computer science minor. I was saying to major engineering outright with a computer science minor. That way you both have computer jobs and engineer jobs available to you.

Not sure what the current situation is but I used to just rush Soul Ring on heroes so I could abuse abilities to harass the enemy out of lane. Soul Ring Sven was really good at relentlessly hammering the enemy and helping himself to creeps. Soul Ring Rubick can also spam Fade Bolts on the enemies. Your other options were to request a lane switch that works better against him (ie. more fucking range) and hope your teammates aren't too retarded to listen. Usually against trilanes though you send one sacrificial stooge and try to win the other 2 lanes, but a lot of retards will flip their shit at the idea of a double mid.

Honestly this.

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

Minors don't do anything. You might as well will just go straight EE and not waste your time. It's not like you'll learn anything from those classes anyways.

Asher Diaz
Asher Diaz

Explain its flaws.
Where do I begin?!
Reborn is still buggy, unstable trash
<Still missing features from the old version
<No one plays custom games out of Twitch whores and bored Russian trolls
Shit meta
<Nothing but Gyro, SD, OD, Tinker, Monkey King, Pang, Ashley Burch the ugly Tumblr Pixie, Shadow Shaman, Timbershit, and Antifun
<Techies are still banned and get you blacklisted by everyone including Icefrog
<Sniper and Troll Warlrod are back in the meta
It has Ashley Burch
<Ashley "I hate video games cuz violence despite I play violent characters " Burch; Ashley "I hate gamers cuz Social Justice" Burch; Ashley "I'll suck dick for roles, but will blow the rape whistle for my career" Burch
Dota Plus is more or less p2w
<It can't even do p2w right
It's trying to be like LoL
Half-assed in-game events that are poorly executed

Dota died to me after 7.00. Valve keeps shooting itself in the foot with it's ESPORZ tourneys since the Shanghai Shitshow (apparently they got into another shit show with the Philippines or some Asian shit-hole because more than half of Dota's community smokes weed, and the country is known to kill anyone tied to drugs).

Talent trees were in the original Dota because of WC3's mechanics. It's still a retarded system because you're not going to pick movement speed over stats or mana regen for heroes like Techies and Sniper.

John Perez
John Perez

If you enjoy ASSFAGGOTS, you should probably kill yourself.

Mason Johnson
Mason Johnson

try way to hard with backstory
They don't try at all, they have 2 paragraphs of text that you have to put in effort to even see.
The dubs are the only true thing about your post, user.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

There's little or no effort put into Willow and Monkey King's stories compared to Skywrath Mage.

Lincoln Collins
Lincoln Collins

They don't try at all, they have 2 paragraphs of text
they don't try at all
have 2 paragraphs of text
implying this isn't autism oc levels of backstory

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Christian Morales
Christian Morales

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Nice

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Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

In short, go back to your amibos.

Juan Cruz
Juan Cruz

Got a mid Huskar in my team
Apparently his first Huskar game.
Sucks dick hard
He is Romanian
This is why Dota needs region lock.
Fucking eastern europe can suck my dick. Every time there is a nigger in my team it's either eastern eu trash or muslims. I want a fucking first world server without these niggers.

Aiden Jenkins
Aiden Jenkins

Everyone bitches about the new mmr system, but honestly the old one was just as fucking pointless and stupid as the new system. People got autistic over points, but you still had people make stupid mistakes and rage quit in 5k+ games. 7-9k mmr players were just as bad and shitty as 1k players; however, retards in the community think if you're over 5k you're immune from criticism even if you're a faggot like Arteezy or Waga (reminder Waga gets cucked by his attention whore girlfriend Keo, who uses him for attention). Also, spamming a top-tier hero like a faggot doesn't make you good if you suck at everything else, or your fanboys help certain "celebs" you boost your mmr (Like what Arteezy did to hit 10k, and that guy still sucks).

Silly user, blacks and muslims don't play Dota. My case was always the Russian faggot who thought he was being funny for spamming shit on his mic thinking he's gonna get Youtube or Machinima bucks for trolling a game.

Jack Green
Jack Green

we're going to play or not?

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

It didn't have anything particularly glaring back when it was a LAN party staple wc3 map, but in porting it over the tourneyfags got involved, and with the addition of matchmaking, region-unlocked china, and the cosmetics mill, shit went downhill fast.

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

attack / spell / turn animations so slow it feels like you are merely suggesting what to do rather than actually doing it. too much legacy RTS shit and not enough ARPG inspiration. yeah its important for melee vs ranged balance but there are other ways to handle it.

stupid RNG cancer like phantom assassin and chaos knight.

way too many fucking edgy demon lord designs because of the good vs evil theme of the map, and origin as a custom game contributed to by teenagers.

tons of point and click damage / CC means your only counter play options come from your ability set or inventory, downplaying mechanical skill and significantly intensifying the importance of matchups.

many matchups have the express expectation that your life will be hell and you just gotta suck it up because thats how the matchup goes. hope to god that your team got the better end of the draft, only then will your suffering have been worth it.

between long cooldowns, and high mana costs, actually using your abilities is a huge cost so all fights that arent teamfights are a game of holdem.

carry kits are dominated by steroids and / or passives, BORING.

almost nothing about ability or item interactions are consistent or intuitive, half the damn wiki page is a wall of exceptions, special cases, or explanations of ass backwards interactions, and thats assuming that none of it is bugged causing yet more odd behavior.

atleast the game has invoker thats pretty cool.

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

too much legacy RTS shit and not enough ARPG inspiration
This is probably the most retarded thing I've read all day.

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

steam
NEVER EVER
Of all the MOBA's, probably the objectively best. That said, getting banned for calling someone who's 100% a faggot a faggot is stupid, and these MOBA's love to do it.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

Daily reminder that windranger looks way better without the "fix" because flat is justice

Tyler Rivera
Tyler Rivera

It's been bad since WC3.
It's completely jewish in nature from last hitting to item combos.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

Ever noticed how people still debate the merit of Dota, yet we never hear even a devil's advocate for LoL or the others?

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Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

Because dota use to be the only moba worth playing. League couldn't have half the heroes dota has because they're all behind a pay wall. As a result the game is dumbed down in pretty much every aspect, which is probably why it is also so popular.

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Joseph Hill
Joseph Hill

longer queue times
as if queue times aren't absolutely fucking abhorrent as they are, I remember average normal matchmaking waiting times being 30 seconds in 2014-15, now it takes 10 minutes for any fucking game I swear to god Valve is throwing bricks under their own tracks

Benjamin Ramirez
Benjamin Ramirez

this. just pick doggo man, ignore teamfights, fight buildings instead, get BoTs and Necro 3, kill the ancient

Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

Soul ring got nerfed, now costs 180 HP for 150 mana because they reworked the recipe to give like +6 regen

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

How is last hitting Jewish? It's more like Determinism honestly.

Brandon Garcia
Brandon Garcia

That said, getting banned for calling someone who's 100% a faggot a faggot is stupid, and these MOBA's love to do it.

Never actually happens, speaking from experience.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

call 0/23/1 midas into rapier rushing tiny a faggot for ruining games where he doesn't get mid
get muted for 48 hours

you lucky nigger
that said, are there any eurofags willing to carry my ass out of low priority? I abandoned like a massive faggot when I couldn't stand my feeding carry flaming the entire team for his own incompetence.

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

meme spacing

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

You must be at a shitty rank where all the soygoys who can't handle the shit talk play. I honestly never got penalized for calling people niggers and faggots and whatnot. Probably the 3rd worlders don't understand what I am saying.

I make a rule of not adding anyone from Holla Forums, so good luck.

Brody Hall
Brody Hall

This. The Dota scene has so much shittalking that implying they're snowflakes is ridiculous. Everytime I look at twitch chat people are trying to say it instead of watching the game

Jaxon Carter
Jaxon Carter

It uses psychology in its matchmaking to keep you playing again and again then one day you realize you've done nothing but played this for the past few years.

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

(checked)
well, I just started after like 2-3 years, so my actual MMR and my pseudo MMR are both dumpster tier right now

Juan Howard
Juan Howard

Dota itself is fine. The people playing it are by and large, are fucking cunts, but that apllies to any competitive game. However that really hurts Dota due to the game requiring a large amount of teamwork as well as individual performance from every member of the team. That said it's probably the only current "esport" aside from Counter Strike and fightan games that has any sort of actual scene outside of company held events.
The only "good" thing I can say about League is that it has a lower barrier entry due to not having all the weird WC3 quirks left over in Dota. Although one could argue is said quirks are what make Dota itself so unique.

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

Silly user, blacks and muslims don't play Dota
I dodge free2play games to avoid muslims and niggers. All the free games are full of muslims, and so are all the pirated servers. I remember when I first started buying games, it was so refreshing to play on a german/french only server.

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David Collins
David Collins

You must be at a shitty rank
this is a meme, even at 6k people are trash and rage.
are there any eurofags willing to carry my ass out of low priority
I got into low prio for feeding twice, valve must have improved their grief detection or something.
That said, getting banned for calling someone who's 100% a faggot a faggot is stupid, and these MOBA's love to do it.
Penny Arcade is responsible for this. They asked devs to do this.

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Luke Parker
Luke Parker

Penny Arcade
Don't conflate Penny Arcade with Extra Credits. Extra Credits went full retard so much that PA shut down PATV in it's entirety.

Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

Learn to read faggot

David Nelson
David Nelson

webm
why is it so hard to press a mute button?
even at the end: he end up saying "the pwoer should be in our hand"
then why the fuck would he ask for an AUTOmute system ?

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

Don't conflate Penny Arcade with Extra Credits
Took them way to long to separate from them, that vid was published in 2012.

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

It's an ASSFAGGOTS

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

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Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

you're fucked user, you are going to low priority

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

I already am in low prio. Now you know what's funny? Valves way of punishing griefers is to force them to play with muslims. What a shitty race.

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

I think this is the best hero in the game, and possibly the best offlaner too. 4.7 starting health regen, so you don't even need to spend money on tangoes. He can sit comfortably anywhere in the offlane with spiked carapace, he has a solid stun and an ability that destroys INT heroes. He can go invis but doesn't rely on it. His aghs is basically the ultimate thing for base defense. Combined with dagon, and Nyx can run around the map off the fucking wall, especially with the movement speed talent and a euls while invis, suddenly hes got a haste rune. The 100 agility talent at lvl25 lets you tear down buildings too.

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Blake Gray
Blake Gray

Muslims in action.

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Gabriel Howard
Gabriel Howard

Why is this game derided so much?
Because there's nothing good to say about it.

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

Iranians are pretty fucking secular, dude. Also he's just swearing at his team, like everyone. His build's pretty bad though, but then again feeders get kicked to low pio all the time.

All this MMR shittery reminds me btw:

Valve wants your fucking phone number for ranked play and they limit chat access unless you bought shit on your steam wallet. They also make you pay for opportunities to reset your MMR, iirc.

Aiden Sullivan
Aiden Sullivan

Not to mention his voice lines are autistic as fuck.

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Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

Your MMR gets reset bi-yearly now. Phone number and steam wallet crap is still shitty though.

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

everything in that screenshot
I hate that game so fucking much.

Liam Sanders
Liam Sanders

I hate that game so fucking much.
Same, it's not even that low mmr wise. I calibrated at 1.300mmr and managed to get all the way up to 3.5k. People in 1k use to build shit like that. No idea why I keep seeing assholes like that in 3k

Also, no point in censoring his name. Fucking hate these niggers… What is up with third world people hating dogs? It's only ever asian's or muslims who use dog as an insult. Fucking niggers are so low life they feel the need to insult dogs to feel better about themselves.

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Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

this is why people need to play tiny more, Tiny is the hero we need to clean up this mess.

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Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

It's because dogs are white mans best friend and a testament of his superiority to the subhumans simply because of the act of taking a wild beast that preyed upon him and then taming it to serve him. Also dogs hate niggers, gypsies and other subhumans on a primal level and it can never be erased.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

It is a MOBA, and is therefore automatically shit.

Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

tfw you have a quarry to settle

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Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

that feel when ive got a quarry to settle

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Henry Miller
Henry Miller

I was abandoning when I wanted a new game to practice instead of waiting 30 minutes for the whatever ending. The first round of low priority was a joke. The second, I must have pissed off a valve employee when I refused to even select a hero with them. I was sentenced to 8 games and 90% supports. It ended up taking around 18 games for me to roll heroes I could solo carry with or a decent player on something supportable. It also seems to decrease on a timer so I had 5 wins total in those 18 games.

That hell taught me more about DotA than anything I'd have learned in ranked. I learned everything by being unable to do anything on shit heroes, failing to play to perfection with what I was given, or raping kids when they gave me mid viper. I can't believe how shit people are at mid and how handicapped I'd been when dual laning as carry. Having a good hero in the mid lane was like playing against easy bots. Splitting xp in the sidelanes is for cucks.

Matthew Reed
Matthew Reed

It's a game in which everyone is expected to spend 30 minutes, most frequently 45 or more, on a game in which they could easily lose just because one guy was retarded, or an extremely asshurt Chink/BR/Vodkanigger that intentionally feeds when he doesn't get mid lane or something. These people exist and continue to exist despite any of Valve's efforts because all you have to do is make a new account to play their free game. I'd say easily over half of the population who played "normal Dota" is now playing the custom mods because they're just tired of dealing with that shit and I don't blame them, which has made the crowd who plays "normal Dota" even more insular and obnoxious even in unranked casual games.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

I think, inherently, game length isn't an issue; although, that does go toward how angry the game can make you feel. Inversely, it goes towards how great winning a game can make you feel. It gives you just the right amount of dopamine so that you come back and play another match after losing one just so that you can feel that high of winning and stomping the opponent.
The issue is, as you have said, the invasion of shitskins and Ruskies shitting up the servers. Unfortunately, that's just something you'll have to put up with unless they range ban IPs or something. The internet truly did go to shit in 2007.

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Isaiah Miller
Isaiah Miller

Unfortunately, that's just something you'll have to put up with unless they range ban IPs or something.
I still have no idea why they wont do this. Their retarded decision to ignore such a blatant issue with the game probably due to political correctness is what is killing the game. Retarded balance changes, cosmetic cancer, etc pales in comparison to the declining state of the community.

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Nicholas Mitchell
Nicholas Mitchell

that pic
Huh, another Iranian.

Same, it's not even that low mmr wise. I calibrated at 1.300mmr and managed to get all the way up to 3.5k. People in 1k use to build shit like that. No idea why I keep seeing assholes like that in 3k
Been as low as 1.300 mmr and as high as 4k+ iirc. Retards at every tier, although the lower tiers are somehow still stupider than the higher ones.

I calibrated at 1.300mmr
Yeah, made that mistake once. Turns out Valve has a special formula it likes to use when it's calibrating your MMR. Back when I calibrated (before Valve demanded your fucking phone) I made the mistake of assuming calibration worked like regular mmr matches and it was all win-loss, so I played a lot of pushstrat, split pushing, and that stuff they call "rat dota" these days. Died loads, had like zero kills, got a lot of towers and rax, and won games. Unfortunately apparently I was being scored based on my kda, the amount of damage I dealt to enemies, the amount of heals I gave friendlies, and the number of wards I bought and shit. Suffice it to say it was like every calibration match my calibrated MMR dropped by like 200-300 points because I look like turbofeeder worthless trash to the algorithm even though I was winning games. Ended up calibrated sub-2k. If you ever calibrate, go study what the calibration formula is and game it, like a lot of high MMR shitters did. IIRC Zeus globals were a good way to increase your MMR ranking by doing tons of hero damage and kill-stealing.

Also, no point in censoring his name. Fucking hate these niggers… What is up with third world people hating dogs? It's only ever asian's or muslims who use dog as an insult. Fucking niggers are so low life they feel the need to insult dogs to feel better about themselves.
Bitch, what the hell are you on about?

Play every hero and random loads, nigger. Wait. That reminds me:

DotA 2 completely fucked the random pick option. No one plays All Random anymore.

Adrian Rodriguez
Adrian Rodriguez

It isn't as big an issue for me specifically as other people, but it's pretty much the reason why everyone acts like such a massive cunt. Most people tend to get pretty upset about it due to the length of time involved.

While I'm talking about the community, the game involves a ridiculous amount of coordination just to do basic shit like use your abilities in the right order, which is almost impossible unless you are playing ranked where people use mics (and even then only sometimes). The coordination honestly gets to the point where it's exhausting unless you play with the same group of people over and over, and then you have to get matched against other 5 stacks. This is much more involved than say, Counter-Strike, where you can choose to jump in a server and play a few rounds and then jump out without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."
It's not just a problem on American servers. It's also a massive problem in Euro servers, specifically with Russians, because the ping is decent for them there. They really do need region locking in this game. It's shocking how differently players from other countries behave and it's unpalatable to almost everyone else.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

He doesn't know
Asians and Arabs didn't really domesticate dogs, they have no respect for them and see them as nothing but stray pests that carry disease. It's a disgusting facet of their culture. Just look at China.

Zachary Gomez
Zachary Gomez

without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."
defending leaver scum

You want to ruin entire matches by pussying out you can go back to battle.net nigger.

Alexander Lopez
Alexander Lopez

Half Life is the reason why exposition type AAA garbage came out. If you like or play Half Life you should kill yourself.

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

This is much more involved than say, Counter-Strike, where you can choose to jump in a server and play a few rounds and then jump out without any penalties or Valve shoving their dick up your ass because you "abandoned."
Sadly people can't just drop in and out of a DotA match like they can in other games. Also this shit happened because Warcraft 3 games had a huge problem with leavers (spurring the development of bots with banlists punishing leavers, but there's so many different bots with different banlists that it doesn't work too well). I agree games take too long though. DotA has a shitton of issues.

I was actually making light of the fact that "bitch" means a female dog, and it's a really, really popular insult, bitch.

Parker Campbell
Parker Campbell

Something something hivemind

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Asians see them as nothing but stray pests that carry disease
Mongols & Turks used to think they evolved from Wolves. The Japanese bred their own dog races. The Chinese eat dogs. All these motherfuckers seem like they like dogs very much.

Wyatt Lewis
Wyatt Lewis

Can confirm, that guy is me

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

that said, how good it Tony latest patch?

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

exact text that was in the Fortnite thread OP
not a template thread

Nicholas Harris
Nicholas Harris

Why should anyone be forced to endure another 60 minutes of jungle sniper just so he can farm his moonshard Daedalus and 'win' the game? He might not even stick to that plan and just run in circles delaying the game until you lose. I can fit 2 more games in that time, which is triple the learning value of that single long game.

All I do now to avoid low priority is play poorly to end the game and go next. That is a 10 to 15 minute loss to everyone, assuming they don't start reading a book or something while they wait.

Henry Watson
Henry Watson

They got rid of his craggy exterior and his aghs upgrade in favour of players being able to use an ability to tear a tree out of the fucking ground and smack people around with it. You can also throw it as well and it will deal damage.

Jack Lee
Jack Lee

Why is this game derided so much?
Basically a bit of what these two said:

In short-form: it's entirely team-dependent, but most of the community aren't team players. Because it's free to play you have lots of kids, people from multiple countries, and just shitheads who don't care about winning all thrown together with players who genuinely want to try and compete. This creates a ton of friction and makes matchmaking only good for frustration and wasting time.

The second issue is that, being free to play, Valve puts the vast emphasis of their workload just being Valve and only balancing gameplay for (((esports))) tier players and only introduces new content to sell cosmetics and other bullshit.

And lastly, it's nothing special. There are dozens of MOBAs out there all with similar issues, but DOTA 2 only stands out in that the games take longer and there's more nuances in how to play. The nuances confuse newer players, and the longer match times dissuade people who don't want to waste 30-60 minutes sitting there and losing because they queued into a team with Pedro, two 12 year olds, and some drunk dude who's throwing because it's funny.

Kayden Carter
Kayden Carter

no matter how far you level up and what shit you get, you start next round with nothing.
Good? This is why Dota is better than League, because everyone starts on a level playing field every game, whereas League forces you to not only pay to use characters, but also has runes and masteries which affect stats.

Parker Jones
Parker Jones

that's cool, but is it good though

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

I played it for over 3000 hours and just stop playing it in the last two years. The problem is not the game itself its a fun game if you have a full party of irl friends, the game fucking sucks if you play it alone with random players. People take it way too seriously like people who throw around golf clubs if they miss a put. Bunch of fucking Happy Gilmores who have a problem with you if they suck and will purposefully try and fuck up your put because they couldn't put earlier. Every single person thinks he knows better than you and will constantly tell you.

The biggest problem I have however it stopped being fun because of the community, they want you to do the same thing with every single character every single game. Same items, same lanes, same style of play. NO DEVIATION. NO FUN ALLOWED! YOU MUST PLAY THE CURRENT META OR FUCK OFF! I hated that it was much more fun in the Beta and Dota 1 was fun because people took it seriously and sometimes just played for fun. Nobody plays Dota 2 just for fun anymore.

The micro transactions and hats is a whole different fucking story. Made over $800 and spent around $40.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Fuck off. There are a lot of games where you lose midgame and win lategame because they had shitty carries. Idiots who give up because "game was lost" will cost you matches for no good reason.

I played it for over 3000 hours and just stop playing it in the last two years. The problem is not the game itself its a fun game if you have a full party of irl friends, the game fucking sucks if you play it alone with random players. People take it way too seriously like people who throw around golf clubs if they miss a put. Bunch of fucking Happy Gilmores who have a problem with you if they suck and will purposefully try and fuck up your put because they couldn't put earlier. Every single person thinks he knows better than you and will constantly tell you.
Honestly part of the problem is when you advise a person on a better build and explain why it's better only to have them get butthurt because your constructive suggestions were taken like a personal insult against their abilities. I could advise someone a smoother build-up or an item that would work much better for the current meta ("meta" not meaning "popular playstyle" but "the team composition, builds, and tactics happening inside your match") and have him tell me to fuck off and start flipping his shit about how I think I'm so much better than him. I did it loads anyway though because in my experience there were quite a few noobs who were willing to take directions on how to play better so if you advised them your team of scrubs would turn into a team of half-decent players, letting you carry games you would've otherwise lost.

The biggest problem I have however it stopped being fun because of the community, they want you to do the same thing with every single character every single game. Same items, same lanes, same style of play. NO DEVIATION. NO FUN ALLOWED! YOU MUST PLAY THE CURRENT META OR FUCK OFF! I hated that it was much more fun in the Beta and Dota 1 was fun because people took it seriously and sometimes just played for fun. Nobody plays Dota 2 just for fun anymore.
I did that a ton. I always improvised unusual variations on builds and a lot of people got fucking pissed at me for daring to build outside their shit, at least until I started winning anyway. It was pretty funny. For instance, I did TP boots ember before it became the meta and I got a lot of rage for my "retarded" build. Then it became the meta and you'd sooner get raged at for not following the build. You can totally do shit like Carry Dazzle, Rat Disruptor (Glimpse OP, maybe just go TP boots + Necronomicon 3 + Helm of the Dominator (dominate catapults if you can) + Blight Stone + Deso + Assault Cuirass), Support Sven (Grab Aghs + Vlad + AC, and do this when you have a Tiny on your team) etc. Mjollnir is typically a better item when your team has an Axe (buff him, watch what happens). You can also build Ethereal Blade on Drow Ranger, Mirana, Riki, Luna, Venge, Medusa, or Anti-Mage. People really underestimate the raw stats and the power of making an enemy carry ethereal for 3 seconds while you kill his teammates, saving an ally from autoattacks, slowing someone you're chasing, or just the free laserbeam nuke. On a strange note Ethereal Blade builds can transition into Dagon builds too.

The Dagon meme is still effective. Dagon 5 might be retarded, but a Dagon 1 can allow for some stupid ganking potential no on expects.

The micro transactions and hats is a whole different fucking story. Made over $800 and spent around $40.
They killed the entire market, from what I heard.

Funnily enough, this thread is making me curious to try the game out again, except I still don't want to give 'em my fucking phone number or dosh. I might load up the old virtual machine and re-install that Steam cancer on it with a new account. The only thing valve should be able to spy off of me would be my VM specs and IP address anyhow. Then again I'm pretty sure I'm only in for disappointment in how much worse DotA has gotten, plus I can't random anymore. Valve seems to want everyone to have a safe earlygame and farm for late.

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

I'd say he is better now.

Colton Wood
Colton Wood

Match ID 3802973143

Just had my first match in a while and I had fun

Nathan Thomas
Nathan Thomas

Honestly part of the problem is when you advise a person on a better build and explain why it's better only to have them get butthurt because your constructive suggestions were taken like a personal insult against their abilities.

Hey buddy, why are you going with that build?
<I just want to try something.
Cool what do you have in mind?
<Explains his plan
Oh wouldn't it be better if you try this?
<Yeah probably but I want to try it anyway

I am fine with this even if we lose the game and its still fun, most games however go like this
Hey buddy why are you going with that build?
<Just STFU
<Look at your lane
<Holy shit what the fuck are you even trying
<Go play LoL

or
Nobody talks the entire game, no coordination then after the game it was a four player party and you get 4 reports

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

If you want to know the merits of LoL: Summoner spells, Masteries, Runepages, and Brush. But they're all a tad underpowered. And DotA doesn't really need brush when you can chop trees for ganks no one was expecting. The power of treecutting and positioning in DotA is really underrated. So many fucking morons whose idea of ganking is to run up the lane rather than surprise cornering someone from behind out of the trees or whatever.

I've been hearing something about reports getting worse these days.

Carson Ortiz
Carson Ortiz

then after the game it was a four player party and you get 4 reports
You do have an option to enable strictly solo matchmaking now

Caleb Hughes
Caleb Hughes

Like I said I haven't played it in two years +- but invested a shit ton of time in it. I regret that time wasted though.

Brayden Bennett
Brayden Bennett

Can confirm. When i used to play with the group of friends I no longer talk to, they would all take it so seriously. I understand getting competitive, but it's just a fucking game man, and not a really good one either.

Jackson Collins
Jackson Collins

Funnily enough, this thread is making me curious to try the game out again, except I still don't want to give 'em my fucking phone number or dosh. I might load up the old virtual machine and re-install that Steam cancer on it with a new account.

don't. It's just underage russians and shitskins screaming in all chat whenever the game stops going the exact scenario they have played out in their fucking heads, unless you're playing in a party of 5

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

To help with the downtime, we've just released an update that will temporarily allow limited matchmaking with no database backend.
This means that MMR won't be used or updated and no cosmetics will be equippable.
How sexy is this? Dota without cosmetics and Valve's bullshit.

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

Dota has lost nearly 100k players within 3 months even with the Spring cleaning update. Even though Dota is going down the shitter since Reborn and 7.00, is it safe to say adding Ashley Burch to anything dooms a game yet (they buffed her character who is so broken as a support she makes fucking Bounty Hunter, one of the most spammed supports, look fair)?

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Connor Hernandez
Connor Hernandez

So yesterday ranks cosmetics and everything else was disabled. Couldn't try it myself but it does sound like a lot of fun.
Let's see how this turns out. Hope Dota loses even more players forcing valve to do something about it.

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Justin Long
Justin Long

I like 10v10.
No proper matchmaking
Gather up a party and shitstomp 2k mmr (archon/crusader) tards
Stupid shit
Losses/Wins don't count, no pressure
Nobody complains that you're doing a shit build
Memes

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

I played with an underage sounding kid the other day, he was playing Rubick and being the best support I had in my team in a long time, and at the same time he was playing captain role making calls and shit. He was also polite. I was pleasantly surprised.

Leo Cook
Leo Cook

You must be in the bottom 10% of the playerbase if you're getting teams like that.

To solve the problem, if you're actually good, play mid if you can, it's the position with the highest impact on the game if you're a good player and your team's shit.

As for why that's a bad idea, it misses so many intricacies with team composition. It's not as cookie cutter as league. Your pos 4 could be in safelane instead of roaming, your pos 5 could be in the offlane instead of the safelane, your pos 3/4 could jungle, and in a few rare cases, 2 people mid can be a thing (with io).

Leo Gray
Leo Gray

I remember being really bad at the game, in what would be considered crusader/archon. It certainly was hell, but the way I got out of there was simply spamming 1 hero I was good at.

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

I got Legendary 4 rank this weekend, how bad is it?

Justin Walker
Justin Walker

I'm legend 5 myself, but according to opendota you're in the 89th percentile. That's not bad if you're a hardcore player, but excellent if you're a filthy casual.
Personally I think that legend rank is quite inconsistent in terms of skill, it's best played with friends of similar skill level which is what I do these days when I'm actually playing normal dota and not 10v10.

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

excellent if you're a filthy casual

Excelent, considering I was drunk for all the 10 games I played for it.

Jack Sullivan
Jack Sullivan

I've been playing a while with my buddy. He was sick of playing solo and wanted a partner so I started playing once a day or so with him. He's a lot better than me. He's an Ancient 4 and I'm an Archon 2. Since I only play Ranked exclusively with him the gap in rank never closes and I'm always in way over my head whenever we play together. I'm usually the lowest rank, by a lot.

My major problem with the game is that it's very difficult to play from behind. It feels like to me that if two of the three lanes collapse then you are fucked no matter what you do. Once they have control over your jungle the game is effectively over. Those are the worst games by far for me, where you just sit in base waiting for them to end or overextend. It doesn't help that since I'm the lowest player in the team I usually get blamed for everything going wrong, even if I've played pretty decently.

That said, on the extremely rare occaisions that I've queued solo, I've done really well. I feel like I play above my rank, if I recalibrated I think I would be around a Legend 0

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

This works too. Spamming one hero gives you a much higher effective mmr.
At that point, since you've already fucked up, for you to win they need to fuck up. You can facilitate this by getting picks through smoke ganks, or defending high ground until they make a mistake and lose a teamfight.

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

Oh yeah, I used to do Necronomicon Slardar with Treads, Blink Dagger, Armlet, Vlad, Assault Cuirass.

I think DotA is losing people because started demanding phone numbers, steam wallet payments, and removed shit like randoming while making shit less fun. Even if the players stick around out of habit after that, it's a lot easier for them to switch over to something better.

10v10
That's where you play shit like Zeus, Nature's Prophet, Spectre, Bounty Hunter (the gpm from Track is nuts in 10v10), Ancient Apparition, Drow Ranger (stack agi, enjoy high damage team), Troll Warlord (global attack speed ult), Crystal Maiden (global mana aura is win), Tinker (gets aghs for more rockets), etc.

That said 10v10 gets kinda dumb. Tbh I kinda miss HoN's more varied maps, but HoN had to go full retard and chase the LoL business model, shooting themselves in the foot. They should have kept it as a $30 game and made good on their promise to make custom maps possible instead of going LoL route and freaking out over custom maps making cosmetics irrelevant or shit. Vid related. This is a HoN custom map that was never completed because S2 games fucked over the custom map scene hard.

I have no idea wtf this ancient archon legendary shit is. New valve crap?

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

I have no idea wtf this ancient archon legendary shit is. New valve crap?
Valve recently reworked MMR. Instead of just having a number being your ranking, you sit in a tier, much like LoL/HotS. Ancient is the highest tier. It is literally just a name change, the matchmaking still works the same.

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

instead of just having a number being your ranking
Important part here being "instead of just", you can still see your own MMR privately, same as before, but others can't see it unless you choose to show it on your profile.

To me this more seems like a move to both push other features of theirs (dota plus comparing stats based on MMR tiers looks nicer UI-wise than comparing stats based on ranges of numbers), and to fix some outliers like people with 12k mmr.

Jayden Gonzalez
Jayden Gonzalez

Meh, idgaf. Honestly DotA's not worth the trouble. The MMR is always a crapshoot and Valve never improves anything. If anything it seems to get worse with every patch.

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

Holla Forums is openly defending MOBAshit now
Even cuckchan has better taste holy shit

Connor Morgan
Connor Morgan

defending

Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

Then fuck off.
But seeing how you call Dota a MOBA is enough to see that you're probably from plabbit trying too hard to fit in.

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Aiden Flores
Aiden Flores

Dota 1 was the game that started the MOBA genre you fucking retard.

Daniel Cook
Daniel Cook

Correct. Non redditors will properly call it by the appropriate term.

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Nathaniel Garcia
Nathaniel Garcia

MOBA genre
please lurk more

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

defending
Not really. Everyone agrees DotA really isn't getting any better. It's just that for better or worse (mostly worse) a number of us have experience with it.

Wrong as fuck. Aeon of Strife was there before DotA, which is why the genre is originally called AoS (Aeon of Strife). Aeon of Strife wasn't the first of its kind either though. Also don't call the genre MOBA. Multiplayer Online Battle Arena sounds like something that would describe Quake 3 Arena or Unreal Tournament. The reason we call the genre ASSFAGGOTS on Holla Forums is because it's actually the most descriptive acronym for the genre so far: Aeon of Strife Style Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides.

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

I want to snap this guys neck that disgusting belly, balding in his 20s, glasses everything in this video just made me rage. Im trying so hard to train and this fat shit who plays dota all day just dare to make videos or streams with his disgusting face and body. Im preplexed how those people works is it self denial which makes them continue this kind of lifestyle with ending that will make them suffer or is this ignorance thinking life will get better by time? I really dont know but if i had chance to meet this guy on streets i would simply beat him to near death just to prove my point he is fat shit weak slob. If this country would be meritrocracy i would be dragging this kind of shits on streets and waterhosing them until they freeze to death.

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

That's like a fucked up kind of envy you got there that you want to beat him up for making a decent living while living like a lazy slob. Why the fuck are you comparing your life to his anyway? Why are you acting like it's your problem? He's got nothing to do with you and you shouldn't be acting so personally offended that someone like him exists. Focus more on your own life and happiness and not on other people's.

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

I have to compare my life to his because i was like him. It's very easy to lose weight once you get grasp of basic concepts. It's very easy to gain pretty body it makes me mad because he doesnt even try to comprenhend this concept. Right now we as race are in very deep problems we might not survive and this guy there is just sitting there boasting about his dota 2 kills while dancing with this fat disgusting body. I am indeed very afraid of future of mine and our race and what happend to South Africa i cannot sit idly and watch this havoc. I am very very mad at betas that they let this happen i am mad becasue those weak cuckboys are streaming on twitch and those left leaning parasites are getting more and more power. All the big platforms like youtube, twitch, twitter, facebook are disgusting it makes me sick anyone could EVER go there and support those traitors. Every day i grow more and more genocidal anyone who mentions any left policy is in my eyes a worthless trash that needs to hang. I am simply unable to continue as a normal working human in this society when everything you see are fat beta cuckolds who support their own deaths. I am sick and tired and i will not let those fuckboys take any more breaths in their worthless life.

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

Sorry man, but you need therapy. I'm not shitting you. You have issues and you need someone there to talk them out with and let go of your frustrations. It's fine to have an issue on an intellectual level, but on an emotional level it's no good. You're taking this /pol/ shit (soyboy and crap) too far if you are getting offended that there are people like that existing.

Also there's always gamergate /gamergatehq/index.html if you want to do something about the shit in the gaming community. But honestly, a lot of people supporting this cancer are just normalfags who don't know any better and in their own way they're happier for it. I agree a lot of cancer needs to end but you need constructive solutions for that. Getting angry and butthurt and closer to flipping out is not a winning attitude in life. And if you care about being an "alpha" (which is fine until you take it to excess), you should know that it's a hallmark of alphas to not let shit get under their skin. They just take life in stride and make their own decisions based on what they want out of it.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

But Dota 2 has already been casualized. It's worse than it's ever been and Valve is never gonna make it fun again.

Xavier Cox
Xavier Cox

I think it's Valve's recent stuff that fucks shit up, their original games were pretty okay. Left 4 Dead 2 and 1 for example are VERY cruel games. You have to dig like 200 hours into the game and you are still only mediocre in VS mode. Valve can make hard games if they want to, but for some reason they don't make hard games anymore. I think Valve hired some really big retards, the "every game needs a noob weapon, otherwise it will fail" kind of devs who casualize games thinking it will help them grow.

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

casualized
Are you just throwing that word out there, or can you show me casuals beating pros with only 200 hours of playtime?
'Only' 200, I say…

Charles Nguyen
Charles Nguyen

Are you just throwing that word out there
game is being made easier so newbies can get into the game. Dota today is easier than it was a few years ago.

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

Given just what imageboard we're on, I can't fault you for not caring if you like this game. But if a game needs a few hundred hours to begin to play at a casual level…it's objectively flawed as fuck. So long as it's done without lowering the skill ceiling, I have zero complaints.

William Watson
William Watson

it's objectively flawed as fuck.
I disagree there, these kind of games are the best kind of games out there.

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

I know you >inb4 but come on. I've never got people complaining about autistic time sink.

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Kevin Diaz
Kevin Diaz

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Nicholas Robinson
Nicholas Robinson

You gotta be a special kind of idiot not to get blink almost immediately on axe.

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Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

I don't know why retards hate blink so much. I assume because it's harder to farm? It's the perfect item on Axe, Slardar, Sven and many other heroes like old Tiny. The moment you get it your hero starts snowballing out of control. Hell, before pike got added I even bought it on heroes like sniper and drow.

David Rodriguez
David Rodriguez

shadow blade, aether lens and tranquils with no midas in sight on enigma

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Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

they don't make hard games anymore

They don't make games, period.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Retards hate it because it gives you no stats and costs 2250 gold. Pub players hated it even more when it cost mana to use.

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

This, movement > blade mail.

Lincoln Young
Lincoln Young

No, not autistic time sinks, but learning curves. Dota doesn't simply take time to git gud, it takes a long, long time to even touch the skill floor. That's not a mark of master craftsmanship; I do not fault Valve at all for wanting to clean that. Again, so long as they don't also lower the skill ceiling with it.

You can love them all you like, I do too. But if we're talking from an objective evaluation rather than a subjective appreciation, Dota fails hard at the introductory level.

Because they don't know how to use it. Noobs play as if this were a TBS, and do not see any value in positioning. If their hero already has the tools to do high damage, and just needs a gap-closer against the current enemy draft? Doesn't matter. That evaluation is lost on them.

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Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

Dota fails hard at the introductory level.

That's because DotA is not designed to be a traditional video game. It started out relatively simple and it just grew to what it is, mainly due to how good the players were getting at exploiting every advantage they could discover.

Angel White
Angel White

Old SK
I really miss the bonerlord. It was around when he got changed that I feel the game really started going rapidly downhill. That was the beginning of the chink pandering.

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

Dota doesn't simply take time to git gud, it takes a long, long time to even touch the skill floor.

You are on a hobbyist chinese forum saying the game is bad becasue it`s 2hardcore4u? Kill yourself

Did you ever played early versions of the war3 map? It was a broken game, overpowered heroes and completely useless ones, dumb items and flow with no singular vision. The game only started to get playable when the indianfrog took the project, he removed most of the roster and started a skill overhaul focused on standardization and hero roles.

Now don`t get me wrong, this game is awful, you will discover that after that first year and will slowly come to resent it like every older player, you have to be literally autistic for that not to happen. Also this thread is shit none of you kids know what you talking about, yall either new to the game or never played do us all a favor and start shitposting so mods can nuke this thread

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Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

I don't really fault the game itself for this at all, even though I don't think any gameplay changes by Valve have shaped this. The way I wish they'd do is make a big single player campaign mode like WC3, one that could easily and entertainingly ease players into mechanics just like Blizzard did it when they were still good. But nah, that'd be asking Volvo to put too many shekels into this.

Flawed, not bad. Is nuance too normalfag a concept for your autistic skull? I'm not saying the game is shit, I personally love it: I'm just pointing out one flaw in its merit from an objective POV.

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Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

A-at least his new skill lets you summon skellies

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Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

You are the one talking about steep learning curves and how that`s bad, the fact that you put so much weight on skill can only mean you started this game late and believed the competitive game meme valve shoved on your throat.

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

Explain to me why any other game in history - from Mario to Deus Ex to Ninja Gaiden to Dark Souls - would be better if it needed 1000 hours to call yourself as good as a casual at. Not pro, not good, casual. Like, 'able to clear the first level after four deaths' good. After 1000 hours.

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Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

quake
And you really need to define "casual" you faggot. The tame it take to be on other's level is so great because everyone has been playing for so long. Its all you compared to others. You are crying that people are better than you right now. If people autistacaly spend 1000 hours playing a game thats your issue.

Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

You need 1000 hours to get decent on EVERY aspect of the game, we talking about every role, juking, cs, builds, jungle, rune control, timing, playing with all heroes and have a reasonable understanding of the game, doesn`t take nearly as long to pick a secondary role and perform decently with a small pool of heroes.

Mason Morales
Mason Morales

Its held onto a lot of archaic gameplay elements that were a result of it being an RTS mod. I won't anger the diehards and suggest anything be changed, I just think that anyone looking to get into an AoS-like at this point would likely be better served in LoL. I like neither, for the record. Or any hybrid form of it, either.

John Reyes
John Reyes

You are crying that people are better than you right now
Stop. Before we can go further, I need you to tell me where I say my personal enjoyment is affected by this aspect of the game.

Decent at a casual level, mind, not necessarily 6k or even 4k tier decent. But you didn't answer my question, and I wasn't being facetious

Parker Myers
Parker Myers

my
Who gives a shit about you?

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Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

You did?? If you're not giving out about my personal opinion, the fuck's your complaint then, so?

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Levi Reed
Levi Reed

complaining
user, you are the one complaining. I am contempt with the learning curve. I'm just telling you you are an idiot.

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Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

can't tell the difference between an objective fault and a subjective preference
can't tell the difference between contempt and content
I should totally value your opinion.

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Ayden Ramirez
Ayden Ramirez

Explain to me why any other game in history - from Mario to Deus Ex to Ninja Gaiden to Dark Souls - would be better if it needed 1000 hours to call yourself as good as a casual at. Not pro, not good, casual. Like, 'able to clear the first level after four deaths' good. After 1000 hours.

Funny you used 4 exemples, all of them being single player focused games. Indeed it wouldn`t be fun grind it out against the CPU but this dynamic changes on multiplayer games, you want as much depth as you can as long it doesn`t clashes with the fun. It this case it doesn`t as I pointed out the level of investment you need is a bit more than your average mainstream multiplayer gayme. A complex game gives replay value to it, the player immerse himself on the game and then gives a meaning to the whole experience. Furthermore being "Good" or even decent at a certain game doesn`t direct mean you will have more fun, in fact for DOTA is the other way around: Learning the game is fun, once you reach a reasonable level it devolves into frustrating game after frustrating game, eventually you will despise this whole system as I pointed out .

tldr your game is bad and you should feel bad for playing it

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Juan Wright
Juan Wright

making a stretched assumption just to try an feel better for being dismissed

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

Cancer 2
run around in one map for hours and achieve nothing as everything gets reset every match
Theres is no progression and there is no world building
Show just how soulless online games can be

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

What are "assfaggots"?

Levi Parker
Levi Parker

someone's stated premise from the first post is a 'stretched assumption'

A fair point, and I wholly agree that learning the game is part of the fun. I just think there are examples of separating the casuals from the pros better. RTS games with campaign modes, for instance, do a good job of letting you experiment with things before diving into multiplayer.
Only thing I disagree with is your conclusion: once I understood the game in full, I started really enjoying it. Now not even the shittiest of teammates make it stressful for me.

Ryder Collins
Ryder Collins

image for ants
Fix your shit, dumbfuck.

See:

DotA 2 has a campaign mode too, but it's an abomination. The learning curve on that game is a serious fucking mess and players with over 2K hours still make plenty of dumbfuck mistakes. Valve never made a proper tutorial for DotA for some dumb reason.

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

Massive learning curve to be even remotely competent and no tutorial, resulting in tons of bads learning on the fly by wrecking matches and learning bad habits to boot, along with many becoming risk-averse and slavishly following build games. Probably one of the major causes of the awful community DotA enjoys.

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

Grin and bear the bad shit, keep a positive mental attitude and you might rack up enough commends to get mostly non-cancerous teammates

New to DOTA2
Play
Don't bitch when inevitable loss occurs
4 teammates report me because I'm not ultra-carrying as a support while shitting out wards from my asshole that deal AOE massive damage to the enemy and revealing the map while allowing my character's sweat to act as a clarity and tangos at the same time.
Still put in shit MM

k

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

Gameplay derivative of RTS with no base building, real resource management, macro skills, very little micro, tech trees, etc
Gameplay derivative of ARPG's (like Diablo) but with character growth strict and measured, less overall skills, more rigid builds and none of the RNG and horde smashing
Gameplay about positioning, combos, timing, but none of the nuance of fighting games
Gameplay that rewards getting ahead by putting you further ahead making it harder for the other team to come back…
…unless they fucked up come back mechanics again
Otherwise only chance to come back is pulling off a really good fight or an unexpected play, but sometimes that won't do it either
Large number of point+click skills and heroes who's primary form of damage is right+click
Fundamentally the same game its been for 15 years, even if the nuance changed
Mandatory 0-farm support role ward-bitches
If you don't know the specific method in which to play everyone playing will hate you
Game can be over at 15 minutes but you'll still play for 45
That's without picking on specific heroes, but wait, there's more!

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

Shit they specifically fucked up since Dota 2's release
Failed to accurately translate Warcraft 3's movement/turning/attacking system immediately ruining the idea of it being the same level of competitive balance as Allstars, since they handle fucking differently
Didn't release with every hero, similarly ruining the concept of competitive balance, with no real reason why they would do this
Took them how many fucking years to finally release all the original heroes
Latest two heroes seem like something straight out of League of Legends visually and with some mechanics
Increased gold generation, lowered gold cost on a bunch of items like boots and scrolls
Because there was now more gold being generated in the game, many mid-game items suddenly needed end-game upgrades like Force Staff, Dragon Lance, Vanguard to make up for their subpar stats at 40 minutes in
Added and removed countless things that they thought were great ideas but ended up being bad
Fucked around with runes a whole bunch until they basically turned into 'thing you can do because the laning phase is boring as shit'
Added shrines, because teams needed a way to go to full health and mana after a team fight so they can go straight back to laning in the early game
Also because teams totally needed a way to teleport into the jungle
Cosmetics out the ass, but people justify it because of random drops, like a $35 digital hair piece can ever be justified
The Compendium, because pros only deserve $2.5 for every $7.5 Valve gets when without the pros there would be no competitive scene to watch
The Compendium, because a couple of cosmetics are worth millions of dollars

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Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

slavishly following build games
I meant "slavishly following build guides."

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

Probably one of the major causes of the awful community DotA enjoys.

You mean people having to answer a 100 question quiz to not be banned/blacklisted/kicked from rooms in War3 to play classic DOTA, and by the time they got the 'permissions' to play they still haven't played the fucking game yet? lol

Oliver Cruz
Oliver Cruz

Deep Reef underwater map skin
over 10 dollars for a fucking map skin

I don't think so, Valve.

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

assfaggot
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Andrew Morris
Andrew Morris

Imagine Super Smash Bros. But instead, you can only jab and your specials are restricted to a cooldown timer. And you're always forced into a team fight with people you don't know and you can only play on 1 stage. None of it seems to be skill based, but rather how effectively everyone seems to be on the same page.
And as for why ASSFAGGOTS are popular, it's because of bloodlust. You get one player kill and you start to crave more.

Jaxon Flores
Jaxon Flores

What do you mean? It's a good game. It's a lot of fun. I playd it for like 600 hours, probably less, because a few of those was just me keeping the game running.
It was fun for a bit and I came back to it multiple times. Up untill recently I still used to watch Purge's patch analysis.
No one can play the same game forever. If they do, it's probably not much fun to them. You have to move on. People here for some reaon like to shit on it, because the patch made it so that they have to relearn the game, because all the builds aren't working anymore. This constant patching has cons like these, but also pros. It would become stale, if it didn't do that.

So as I said, the hate just comes from Autists who hate change or from people who for some reason think a game sucks, if they got bored after playing it for 1000 hours and for some reason MOBAs should be an exception to that and not be boring.

I am an exception I guess, because I really don't like playing normalfag multiplayer games like these. I need new stuff. Or at least a comfy singleplayer experience.

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Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

beump