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Karamzin appears to have been a poet who'd been dead for a century by the time of the Russian Revolution. The ABC was co-written by Bukharin and Preobrazhensky.

Niky just wanted to write books.

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he's pretty good

stalin may be the worst person ever

In fairness though he may have executed him for that drawing of him. He was touchy about that kind of stuff.

Whoops forgot to hide the fact I'm COINTELPRO.

I WARNED YOU ABOUT ARMOURED DIVISIONS BRO. I WARNED YOU

If only he had listened.

Bizarro Hitler.

Now here's a good figure

If Stalin hadn't purged so much the Red Army would've shredded Germany by 1944

Wasn't Bukharin a right cuck

Yep, Stalin was Hitler's greatest asset in attacking the USSR.

But what about industrialization? Would Soviet industry be strong enough to produce the war materials needed to win without Stalin?

alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-bukharin-alternative-long.91756/
This guy argues that Stalin did more harm than good with his tremendously ham-fisted and wasteful economic policies.

Any MLs have some perspective on this?

Bukharin was a revisionist in league with the fascists. Stalin's policies were all necessary to remove the counter-revolutionary kulak menace from the countryside. Everyone who died deserved it. I have spent many years researching this and similar questions and I have yet to find one crime that Stalin committed.

Shittiest falseflagging ever m8.

I doubt Stalin was that critical for industrialisation.

umm try again sweetie

I feel like many of the other top Bolsheviks would probably have done something very similar if they'd ended up on top. Only a Rykov/Bukharin clique or the like would have avoided collectivization, and even they would have known industrialization was important and probably worked towards it in some other way.

I'm curious. Is there some book that lists all the Old Guard and important Bolsheviks and how they died? It would be a roll call of the damned.

I imagine a list for the Chinese party would have similar results, but to a mch lesser degree.

Nevermind Hitler, Finland would have been annexed even before that.

Grover Furr pls

There's this image if nothing else.

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Would the soviet union have need such an industrial advantage to beat the germans in the first place without stalin's idiocy?

this picture is insinuating that Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Bukharin were guilty of anything aside from disagreeing with Stalin?

I think it's just saying that they were only rehabilitated during Gorbachev's time, instead of Krushchev's.

I'm more curious about that "1992" beside Trotsky's name in the legend. As far as I know he was never rehabilitated, the poor bastard. Altho Comrade Corbyn called for it, the absolute madman: archive.is/4g75J

Who should be considered Old Guard? There is an unspoken assumption that Bolsheviks weren't a hodgepodge of several factions, but a monolithic movement united in their Leninism and intent to make a Revolution. This assumption is wrong. Lenin was practically forcing October Revolution through and quite a lot of "Old Guard" were resisting it - up to and including cooperation with Russian Ancien Régime.

For example, both Zinoviev and Kamenev were kicked out of Central Committee by Lenin (he wanted them expelled, but had to compromise due to support they had) because of this.

Not really. And even those who got shot got 20 years of fame and power before that.

Well, Bukharin was a habitual Revisionist. He repeatedly tried to present Market "Socialism" as Socialism - even Lenin lambasted him for such an opportunism.

This.

Relevant documents are still predominantly top secret (if not destroyed), so it's impossible to make any judgements. But it should be noted that even the most outspoken anti-Stalinist Khrushchev did not contest the verdict in those cases.

Not in Soviet Union. There are mentions that he got rehabilitated in Capitalist Russia in 1992, when they were rehabilitating even Nazi generals.

> he wanted them expelled from the Party

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You're mad because buk was a close friend and comrade of big Joe despite being a glorified socdem, whereas you'd have been thrown in a gulag for fun

According to Zhores and Roy Medvedev in The Unknown Stalin (2006), Bukharin's last message to Stalin stated "Koba, why do you need me to die?", which was written in a note to Stalin just before his execution. "Koba" was Stalin's nom de guerre, and Bukharin's use of it was a sign of how close the two had once been. The note was allegedly found still in Stalin's desk after his death in 1953

we really need a stalin/bukahrin version of this

Will the redditors please leave?

Aw shush, I'm trying to humanize Uncle Joe and you're not even reading enough of it to notice.

I just implied Gulag Man had a heart

You are posting politically motivated fantasies of two rabid anti-Communists.

Leave history to historians, will you? Nobody needs your "humanization".

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Oh, please. Don't pretend that your shilling is just for fun.

Deserved it for being a statist cuck

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Honestly, writing a bunch of letters sucking up to Stalin was pretty weak. Shoulda just written a letter telling him to go fuck himself and call it a day.

It's not cast in stone, but the most common definition of Old Guard Bolshevik is one who joined before the October Revolution.

Well ain't that a relief. I would just be fine and dandy dedicating 20 years of my life and living through several wars, in order to be repaid with a single bullet. It's no golden watch, but it's worth it!

Even if he was, is execution really the way? Wasn't it one of the original points of socialism to have debate and dialectics replace old politicking? To have reason reigning, so that dissent could be allowed because it would deservedly be outargued and outvoted? Don't get me wrong, I know for a fact that revolution is war, and a possibly extraordinary amount of violence in the stablishment of a new order is an absolute necessity, but what happened in the USSR was downright Dantesque.

The house Joe built could not stand for long. It was a nightmarish machine that chewed people up and spat them out. A good part of why his inner circler chose to de-Stalinized is simply because they wanted a bare modicum of order within the apparatus. As it was, anyone was at constant risk of being demoted, expelled, arrested or executed based on the para-legal whims of disaffected rivals. The system worked, but it acquired no legitimacy, not even after de-Stalinization; it failed to become institutionalized.

seconding

thirded.

This definition makes it practically impossible to create "book that lists all the Old Guard and important Bolsheviks and how they died".

Even before February 1917 that's over 20 thousand people, much more by the time October happened.

Your point about "executions suppresses freedom of speech" is wrong. Nobody forbade Bukharin to debate his position - and he did debate it extensively for decades. It's just by 1937 Bukharin's position (MarkSoc) was proven to be utterly and completely wrong - for the umpteenth time.

Post-1937 discussion also were not suppressed. It was WWII that stopped discussions: by early 50s (when Stalin was perfectly alive and extensively debating his position) - there was quite a lot of discussions going and many openly challenged Stalin's position (Yaroshenko, for example; or Khrushchev's agrarian reforms).

Also, you really should stop using words you don't understand (dialectics).

If we are talking about original points, executing politicians for failure fits perfectly with Jacobin politics - and Marxist traced their roots to Jacobins (Dictatorship - as unrestricted and unhindered political power).

Is this post-truth I've been hearing about? USSR withstood WWII - only UK and US survived it; and only because of not being part of continental Europe - and then lasted for almost 40 years after Stalin's death. What exactly "could not stand for long"?

And your fanatical Stalinism is annoying. Stalin didn't build USSR alone, stop deifying him.

Okay. You really need to lay off Cold War propaganda. Cold War might not be over (for all intents and purposes it is still going on), but this propaganda is just too retarded to be taken seriously.

Any politician. And I fail to see why executing politicians is such a bad thing.

Wouldn't it be great if we could've hanged Reagan and Thatcher?

Please, learn the meaning of the words you are using.

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I was typing an answer until I got to
Alright, you baited me good, I yield.