Happy 208th birthday, Comrade Abe!

The New Deal was the biggest pacifying pill to worker's insurrection there ever was. It masked and delayed class conflicts from escalating for another 60 years, all the while allowing for Jingoism, Imperialism and interventionism. Fuck FDR. I hope he is burning in hell right now.

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And he was a capitalist who wanted to ship the niggers back.

fuck off neocon

he did a lot to defeat fascism

Meme better

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honest abe

not denying the role of the ussr

but it would've taken much longer without america

the war could've dragged on for years. america didn't have to get involved in europe

Nigga without the USSR, the Axis would have won the war.

Without the USSR there would have been no rise of fascism to counter communists.

Nah allies still would have won once America got nukes, it's just that a lot more innocents would have died in the process.

deaths that would have been swept under the rug, instead of exaggerated in the USSR

This is SocDems actually believe.

It's obviously true. Why would the bourgeoisie have appointed such extremists if there was no threat on the horizon? It was the threat of revolution backed by the USSR that caused them to piss their pants and appoint nationalist reactionaries everywhere to beat down the workers' movements. With no USSR, communism is a lot less scary and would provoke less of a reaction.
Of course, the idiotic part of the argument is the implication that workers should never strive for liberation because it will provoke a reaction from the right. The bourgeoisie allowing for some of the greatest evils in history to take place to prevent the loss of their power can hardly be blamed on the USSR.

The communistic boogeyman is a lot less useful when you are confortable with your material conditions that you don't care what happens in a far-off land. The boogeyman only worked because the material conditions was so shit, the workers started revolting.

i didn't deny that

but to remove the role of the us is silly

WE COULD HAVE LITERALLY HAD A WORLD USSR BY NOW IF HONEST ABE HAD SUCCEEDED

is that quote real?

"In my present position I could scarcely be justified were I to omit raising a warning voice against this approach of returning despotism.

It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.

Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.

Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class–neither work for others nor have others working for them. In most of the Southern States a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters, while in the Northern a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families–wives, sons, and daughters–work for themselves on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand nor of hired laborers or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, they labor with their own hands and also buy or hire others to labor for them; but this is only a mixed and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class.

Again, as has already been said, there is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost."

First Annual Message
December 3, 1861

presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29502

So it turns out to be in favour of the self-owned sort of labour, but it's a pretty strong indictment of both wage-labour and slavery. It's hardly Marxist, but I don't think we'll ever again see a President so sweepingly attack wage labour as an economic system or declare a unique place for labour within government. For all his racial faults and tolerance of capitalism's existence, I'd easily call Honest Abe a comrade any day of the week.

Contrary to Lincoln Regime propaganda, there are social layers of the American South opposed to slavery. Stop Lincoln's barrel bombs!

abe is my comrade two
we could use him to a redpill the normies

Who fucking cares? Bill Sherman greatest General.

From war of Northern Aggression to this you southern bumble fucks sure know how to try your hardest at sounding smart but come off ear piercingly annoying

It's called "satire" you dipsticks

Get better jokes

you have autism if you didn't notice the "barrel bombs" part.

youtube.com/watch?v=HNlb4NDUEXI
VIOLENT ACTIONS OF THE BAAAAAAAAAD PEOPLE
SILENCE AND INDIFFERENCE OF THE GOOOOOD PEOPLE

xe's hoochie mihn
xe's is a retard

I honestly didn't read past the Lincoln Regime propaganda because there are people that stupid who migrate over here from Holla Forums. If a post smells like shit I'm reading it partially, if it was a joke, it was a joke that irritated me, and so rule of thumb I won't read it at all.

You say "xir" you bitch

But "X Regime" is a leftist thing. Nobody on the right would call it the "Lincoln Regime" because they're too busy telling you how it's a republic, not a democracy, maaaan.

You're seriously underestimating the South

i could see them saying that

Abe, like Obama, said nice things here and there. The reality is that he was heavily pushed by activists and the public into progressive positions. He was also a corporate sellout and gave huge leeways to porkies. He is a false idol and congratulations you are yet another victim of American propaganda.

Mods continue to be based

why even live