Why do so few western leftists support our comrades in novorossiya?

Because most people on here get their news from corporate sources.

The only """"socialist"""" project they support is the corporate and state department sanctioned YPG - i.e. not socialists

Kill yourself, praxeologist.

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This

I am a tankie and I think the more opposed by the mainstream media you are, the more socialist you are

Hail Putin, hail Duterte, hail Assad. All great socialist leaders and bastions of anti imperialism.

Russia isn't neo-liberal, it's fascist and corporatist.

well played

That's what you're doing

Most basic strategy of imperial media = equating "muh ebil dictator" with entire country.

Thus you get fucking idiots like yourself thinking that the people of Novorossiya fighting for self-determination and against fascism are somehow directly controlled by Putin.

I am a anarchist and I think the more opposed by the mainstream media you are, the less socialist you are

Hail Ocalan, hail The State Department, hail Baghdadi. All great socialist leaders and bastions of freedom.

I get that it's a chan, but damn. This thread was based on fetishization and an obsession with symbolism. If Novorussia is a socialist-minded nation, at least put forward some evidence. Something other than titties and a flag.

It's nationalists fighting nationalists OP; why should leftists care? What few "socialist" groups in Novorossiya are minimal or just Nazbol-lite.

Clearly the people of eastern Ukraine should have realised that Putin is a dictator and just let the Azov battalion torture and murder them, that is the one true leftcom way

The majority of the forces there are nationalists/fascists on both sides the very few leftist groups have very little power

RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Which of the r9k tier socdems are you?

Finnish one.

Maybe because the fascist junta in Ukraine have completely oppressed all progressive organisations?

Or the fact that communists in Novorossiya are fighting right now for their existence?

Kek. The swedish but is quite bad too but the Canadian one is absolute worst of them, that fucker is almost as much of a retard when it comes to women than nogf nazi

perhaps backstabbing Poland with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and annexing East Gallicia incorporating them into Ukraine and then oppressing the fuck out of them wasn't the best idea ever Tankiechan?

Why the fuck should we consider ethno-nationalists our comrades?

That's not actually a bad point (the second point that is).
That being said I don't think that Novorossiya is anything to revere as a political entity. I guess it makes more sense to support the people fighting for their survival in Novorossiya than Novorossiya itself.

Banderaists hate poles more than anyone

Rojava fags do

Read ocalan

You're right, I am a statesman for the USSR, and as such directly responsible for their actions, which took place long before I was born (this is not a denunciation of their actions, just highlighting how fucking ridiculous your point is)

Rojava is neither about establishing a nation, and certainly not exclusively for the kurds only.

(it quite literally is)

Despite the ethnic quotas and that half of the SDF isn't even Kurdish of course; they are 100% ethno-nationalists.

LOL

SDF is made of yezidi and Arab forces along with Kurdish forces

Also I love the porky narrative that conveniently erases the fact that Poland was a fascist nation that refused any assistance from the USSR.

SDF isn't rojava

They're of course fighting for self determination on a cultural level but if they were ethno nationalists like KDP next door then their lives would be a lot easier tbh.

kek

PUNCH A NAZI XDDD

so was Finland

They hate everyone to be honest could have left them in Poland as a pain in the ass and a nationalist insurgency. But then again we whitewash the fuck out of red imperialism here don't we

Nice argument you've got there.

I'm sorry are we changing the definition of words here again?

No, we're not. Poland prior to WW2 was a fascist state. This is fairly well known. Not sure what you are on about.

They also actually seized factories from oligarchs and gave it over to the workers.

But I'm surey everybody will discard this again because muh Putin

Yeltsin was a drunken puppet, the real power was in the hands of the jewish oligarchs, who nearly succeeded in bankrupting the whole fucking nation, Putin stepped in, purged the oligarchy, told the remaining ones its my way or highway and therefore succeeded in stabilizing the nation.

Bonapartist authoritariansim =/=fascism. Fascism is supposed to be a totatliatrian system with total media control and removal of communists and socialists.

De Gaulle and muh Putin are fascists are fascists as well then, funny how muh Putin the fascist allows a tankie political party to be the official opposition.

The Polish exile government planned for Poland to be a fascist state after WWII had been won as well. Literally nothing would've changed after the Germans left except that it might've been less genocidal for Jews and the German plan to build a German settler-colony in Poland would've went out the window obv

mfw

What? Both of this is wrong. Are you seriously implying they are not going to be a kurdish state when they survive

You realise you've literally contradicted yourself within two sentences. Nice one lad.

Novorossiya is hardly homogeneous either I am not him and am somewhat positive towards Rojava, but lets be fair here shall we

Perhaps, but then again I don't subscribe to simplistic black and white dogmatic thinking and analysis

lol

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It is a state that has never existed outside the confines of desperate resistance against a state many times more powerful than it.

It is also far less so than the fascist Ukrainian state that you clearly find preferable.

For example the fact that comrades are fighting for a free Novorossiya right now.

let's not kid ourselves its a Russian proxy akin to Transistria, and South Ossetia state run by Surkov and Russian military advisors that magically manages to BTFO the Ukranian regular army on a daily basis.

I still find it preferable to Ukro progressive democratic liberal nazi cucks because they are just so incompetent while being massive cocksuckers.

Russia loving antiimps are the second worst plague of leftism right after idpol.

How about showing solidarity with comrades fighing for said nation then? They are quite literally fighting for their right to existence.

Instead of autistic screeching, can someone please explain how and why Novorossiya is socialist?

PDFs are welcome.

When will people explain how the YPG are socialist without the autistic shrieking, bookchin memes, and pictures of kurd qts

It's not. Neither is your precious "rojava". Doesn't exclude them from solidarity or support against fascists.

they kinda have the support of a nuclear armed military superpower while the Ukranian leadership is retarded and used as a pawn by America that Trump is on the verge of throwing to the dogs

Literally whole books been written about it actually

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you clearly don't follow the news. they have just launched a new offensive, backed by, guess who, a "nuclear armed military superpower".

no cunt on this earth "needs" Holla Forums solidarity - it is a matter of principle

So its antifa larping in support of Russian geopolitics? Without even the nice progressive and democratic parts that Rojava has?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland#Interwar_period_1918.E2.80.931939

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Books that are wrong tho fam

Öcalan: This is just propaganda. It is not possible for us to be communists. Why did the Soviet Union collapse and the United States has not? It is because communism made
the government everything, but the human being nothing. The United States represents
development.
meforum.org/399/abdullah-ocalan-we-are-fighting-turks-everywhere

Fam there's a million and one strands of socialism as you well know and the Kurds disavowed one of those strands and swapped Marx for Bookchin. I mean you can take the stance that libertarian socialism is not socialism if you want but that's it's own set of pedantics.

Do you have even a shred of evidence that the Ukrainians are committing ethnic cleansing?

You know, the kind of ethnic cleansing that Dugin openly advocates for on a daily basis?

More the fact that they are ethno-secessionists who have never demonstrated a single step towards socialism in practice (who also conveniently happen to be supported by the USMC and the CIA)

I was talking about communism, clearly an issue that doesn't mean a lot to you.

This is the kind of thing a liberal redditor would write and the us exceptionalism is certainly curious considering that the YPG is still pretty ambivalent about America and Israel.

Call it pedantics or whatever but just because Bookchin wrote some shit dogging idpol doesn't mean Murray "the working class is not revolutionary" is my guy. You'd be better off to go back to French utopian socialism, at least some of those cats appreciated the primary role of the working class in building a new society.

You literally admitted that novorossiya isn't socialist earlier. So clearly this isn't about communism, "comrade".

I'm not that familiar with the Novorossiya situation. They definitely seem like the lesser evil, mind, but against quasi-fascist Ukraine that's a low bar.

Extensive proof that the YPG are seeking to secede from Syria?

So is there any socialist/communist projects in any kind happening at all there or nah?

It's literally a command economy.

Run by the military.

If that's true can you provide for me on the background and history of the region?

Some videos, articles or whatever would be appreciated.

sure

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

Then what is it?

Look up Revolution in Rojava: Democratic Autonomy and Women's Liberation in Syrian Kurdistan.
I'll scan and upload the pdf when I have time.

It's about communists fighting for survival against a fascist regime, seems pretty simple to me, "comrade"

Proofs?

I was more referring to Novorossiya itself fam not a dead political union.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya

Unlike the one in Moscow?

Muh communism is completely banned in Ukraine tho

The largest opposition party in Russia is the communist party. Try again though, pal.

"Leftist" larpers.

There are multiple communist parties in Russia, including the main opposition

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youtube.com/watch?v=P6X4Fsv5eCs

Sorry for not adhering to Lenin's autistic prerequisite's about what is and isn't imperialist.

we're not talking about the crimea you nonce. (disregarding the fact that said region is basically 100% russian)

It effectively also is banned in Russia. Their "official" communist party was groomed as controlled opposition whether they knew it or not, and the rest are as insignificant as anything in the West, if not more so.

Sorry chaps, but no. Most of Eastern Europe is a cesspool of fuck-you-got-mine petty-reactionaries, and most of the rest is wannabe tankies.

Pretty cool, am impressed. Hopefully it works out for them. The Russian nationalists which makes up the core of eastern rebels are still shit though, if the nazbol character of the Donetsk peoples republic shifts to actual socialism I'll change my view but I'm not fauning just yet.

If the communist party of russia are controlled opposition why did the US spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fix the 96 election and top them winning lol

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Because you don't want the controlled opposition getting out-of-control, of course.

The official communist party also supports the reclamation of land historically in the Soviet Union, a mixed economy of private enterprise and state control, and blames Jews for a suspicious amount of things. I'm surprised more NazBols aren't furiously jerking off over them.

Like pictured?

Both sides are imperialistic but Novorossiya is much less anti communist even if it has a lot of ultranationalists among its ranks.

themoscowtimes.com/news/ukraine-oligarch-put-on-spot-as-pro-russian-rebels-nibble-at-his-empire-40752

The USA have a massive track record of being die hard anti-communist. Russia hasn't, in fact Putin himself admitted the dissolution of the Soviet Union was a mistake.

Russian conservatism is not like American or European Conservatism, it's tied to Soviet nostalgia which doesn't automatically make it socialist but it makes them predisposed towards it.

Lastly I wanna add that Russian "imperialism" is regional and entirely reactive to NATO aggression while US imperialism aimed (aims?) for some sort of thalassocratic world hegemony.

opendemocracy.net/od-russia/ilya-matveev/russia-inc

His hat looks like a fish

It is posts like this that reminds me of this pic

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The analysis given is solid and factual. Care to point out where it is wrong?

what a fag

This is just classical liberalism.

One of the reasons Russia intervened in the Ukraine was the fact that the proposed free trade zone between the Ukraine and the EU would affect Russia due to the free trade zone between Russia and Ukraine that would have let to an uncontrolled influx of EU-products into Russia. This is anti-neoliberal as neoliberalism seeks to establish bigger trade zones and the Russian behaviour was particularly protectionistic. Not even mentioning that Putin keeps his Oligarchs in line through corporatistic policies, look at fucking Gazprom.

Also how you can even value anything coming from such a shill organisation is beyond me.

Good job getting to the fifth paragraph. Keep on reading, little kossack.

It may not be Neoliberal but it sure as hell isn't Socialist

The YPG is only being funded by the US to fight ISIS and Assad
The US also turned a blind eye to Turkey attacking the YPG too

It's clearly neoliberal in the economic sense.

You are a burger, aren't you?

Dude, the Nazis did literally the same thing. They parcelled out seized assets to loyal porkies.

And? The question was if Russia was neoliberal and it's clearly not and the analogy to the Nazis confirms that even more

Every Russian Leftist I have ever talked to is Pro-Novorossiya

They seem cool, kinda tankie tho…

Who is this feline demon?

There is no more novorussia

LUGANSK NAZBOL TANKIE REPUBLIC WHEN?

there you have it folks

I'm going to fight in the Donbass and I'm going to marry a tankie qt

youtube.com/watch?v=bmTbHwvlMZI

BRUH THEY TOOK FREE WEAPONS FROM THE US INSTEAD OF BLOWING THEM UP AND THROWING STICKS AT THE TURKS INSTEAD THEY MUST BE

I wonder why the Americans were giving them free weapons?

Emulating Nazis isn't better than emulating neoliberals, user.

yes aslong as they don't commit ethnic cleansing or any crackdown on communists it literally is better then neoliberalism

And what about the survival of gays, Romani and religious minorities in Novorossiya?

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How fucking delusional are tankies that they say a rightwing Russian proxy state is "socialistic" while saying Rojava, where most of the economy is communally controlled coops, is not. Is it some kind of tankie butthurt that libertarians are succeeding and therefor proving that their monopoly on successful revolution is a farce?

Because the YPG currently serve their interests by fighting ISIS. If you want to bitch about a Kurdish US puppet then bitch about the KRG.