He climbed to the top of the Tick-Tock Clock using just 6 A presses

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Chipmunk voice over aside, I think this is relevant.

The voices are more tolerable than dubbed anime all things considered.

archiveofourown.org/works/10754010

why did you specify human?

Gets me every time.
archive.fo/kTzxb#selection-21783.0-21789.0

All I have to say is this: Nikola Tesla loved a pigeon as a man loves a woman.

Hes a sexual God amongst men, he just take 12 hours to build speed, thats his only problem. Once his QPNus aligns it means a sexual journey of a lifetime for his partner.

I have no idea what's going on in that webm so this guy is just glitching for shits and giggles?

I am legit awestruck. I can't deny that I'm impressed, but at the same disappointed, like a parent of a technically great drawfag who only draws furry porn.

He's glitching to complete the level in as few A presses as possible.

The reason SM64 has all of these abstract floating platforms as opposed to realistic game environments like Zelda, is because SM64 is a mathematical metaphor engineered by the CIA/MOSSAD to weaponize autism for the purposes of advanced theoretical physics research.

He's trying to not press the button A (the jump button).

Fuck off to wherever you came from you uninformed nigger

This man is attempting to beat the entirety of Mario 64 without ever pressing A.

Since categories like 0-star and 16-star require BLJ, which obviously requires pressing the A button many times, they're out. 120 star is, at this point, down to something like 23, while 70 star is down to just 1.

Thus far he still hasn't figured out a way to get past Bowser and the Fire Sea without hitting A exactly once: there does not seem to be any way to get to the upper part of the level other than by using the pole, and the only way to get from the pole to the ground in that area is to do a jump-dismount with A.

Once he finally figures that out, he will make an entire, no-A-button TAS of the 70-star route.

why

He can't collect the Stomp on the Thwomp star in 0 A presses.

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*citation needed

What a wonderful way to start the thread.

Why not? It shows complete mastery of the game engine, by playing it in the most obtuse manner possible, giving the middle finger to what you're expected to do, and without running arbitrary code.

See also:

you need to update your home to the death barrier

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So he can still fuck a human male?

So he's a hipster.

How much longer until he beats the game with no a presses?

My sides.

No? What makes it hipster?

I appreciate pancake2012's sense of humor. Here's a compilation of runs he submitted to a TAS competition, compared to the winning runs.

Pretty clever.

I would much rather listen to japanese text-to-speech than dubbed anime or even original English voice acting trying to imitate Japanese character archetypes.

(You) have to go back.

Nice

Didn't he get banned from that TAS competition for complaining about something on the forums, so he made a submission that technically completes the challenges in an obtuse way as possible (including reseting the game)?

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I dunno if he got banned, but
yeah. This one is the best: youtu.be/bHwiIp4i5eA?t=15m41s

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Super Mario 64

These are fucking great. Tell me there's more.

YOU'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON ONE THING

THERE ARE MORE THINGS IN THE WORLD TO DO, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING

THIS IS NOT EVEN THE BEST THING YOU COULD BE DOING

DO OTHER THINGS

Was it worth the scuttlebug jamboree?

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Some people have an autistic passion. He enjoys this.

Post of the year, ladies and gentlemen

No.

Shut up Marche!

You could at least maybe play a different game?

I never understood this, fuck Marche.

This is the last one from what I can tell unfortunately.

Also that last skit before the credits in this video. Reimu technically has that power canonically.

Is this legitimate? I couldn't find the paper on arXiv.

Its not really impressive, someone makes his own arbitrary challenge and then proceeds to be the best at it except pretty much only him cares about it.

That's where you're wrong. Pannen is merely the most well known of the ABC Crew (A Button Count Crew). The next most well known is probably Pedro, who had his own spot named after him.

If you only knew how i fucking hate those same looking anime bitches with doll eyes. They look even worse in 3d than in 2d.

go to bed "Henry"

Did you even read the whole thing?

Alright, sorry you don't like things?

I guess not; I didn't read the archived thread. That's kind of a shame, it's fun finding whitepaper that explores mathematics and videogames at the same time.

The entire link is a shitpost that someone made a story about.

C'mon now

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Pure autism in condensed form. This guy is an idiot savant whose savant ability is Mario 64.

Top kek. Why are speedrunning communities so cancer anyways ? I'm sure people got pissy at him for having fun.

this game has bad controls

Yeah, that should have tipped me off. Must've not read it too carefully. Although it's not an uncommon thing in TAS or hacking to program simple machines to alter a game's code and then feed it instructions.

Why are speedrunning communities so cancer anyways?

So he'd really much prefer if his mom were quiet ?

That's basically what like, 90% of the youtube comments are.

That's the only thing he deserves.

/thread tbh

His videos always gives me scares

She should have unplugged it.
Speedrunning and video games as a whole should be for fun, it shouldn't be something you stay up all night for like it's a job or something.
Like fuck you are.

You ever notice how barely any of these speedrunners, streamers or let's players ever seem like they're actually enjoying the game they're playing? I'd honestly go and watch a let's play if the dude playing sounded and felt like he was in love with the thing he was playing rather than this monotone drone playing something just for some youtube/twitch/patreon welfare bux

It's compulsive. It's basically their natural state at this point. When they don't have a controller in their hands they are lost

The dude is a cringeworthy autist, but his mom seems like a domineering cunt and in a related video the bitch actually used his (apparently dead) dad as leverage against him. That's pretty fucked up.

Some of them are doing it for cash, definitely, but I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Think of speedrunning like a particularly autistic form of setting a goal as a challenge and focusing on overcoming it. With the exception of the big ones, they don't make enough money doing it to be worthwhile, so most of those motivated primarily by money would give up once that becomes apparent.

Also this.

But it should be fun. I speedran the MMX games a while back because I loved the games and more importantly I loved going fast in the games and it just seemed like a natural progression.
Very few of these runners seem to actually enjoy the games anymore, they just do it so that they can get high off their 15 minutes of fame on agdq or getting a world record or something, and it seems to me like that's all they live for anymore.

Best speedrun

Exactly. Not necessarily for the e-fame, or a world record, but just for the high of accomplishing the goal the set. Unfortunately, the goal is never truly met since "beat my top time" just turns into "beat my slightly better top time."

Maybe they do still enjoy it and just don't show it well. Maybe they stopped caring and continue out of routine habit and sheer autism I don't particularly care, but I can at least understand the high someone gets from finishing some succeeding in some challenge they set for themselves and can see why that would keep them going even if the challenge is no longer fun.

vid related

At first I thought this guy was gonna be a faggot

I'm fucking dying.

Tell me about Henry
Why does he wear the mask?

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Perfect.

He's the most redpilled speedrunner currently
Not one stream goes by without him going on a tangent about degeneracy, numales and cuckolds

Goose is a good guy.

No, it's a shitpost on a fanfiction website.
But it was inspired by this:
web.archive.org/web/20121230093148/http://www.fantasticmetropolis.com:80/i/division/full
If you prove ZFC is inconsistent that means you can prove anything in ZFC, and show most existing proofs don't really prove anything. It would collapse mathematics. But there's a nasty little theorem that shows any system that can prove itself consistent is not actually consistent, so there's no way to be sure that mathematics can't be collapsed that way.

A speedrunner and a faggot, his mom must be suicidal knowing her son turned out like that.

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I bet he isn't actually gay or bi. Just trying to impress the faggots and trannies invading shit like GDQ, and willing to take a dick to do so.

Man.

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How does this not make him a faggot?

The father looks like a broken man. His shame is so great he can't even look at the camera. If someone in my family was a furry and I knew about it I'd kill him and dump the body in the forest.

I guess he may be worse than a faggot. Like Anthony Burch tier.

Its the best thing to do for your family.

At least he's got some taste

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He's quoting those shitty horror videos, the ones with the puppets that got Tumblr all hot and bothered.

To reach [heaven].

Also, Holla Forums, what are you up to?
Trying to get property of non-object /Holla Forums/howitzer-base/http/post.php:1093

He hasn't taken back what he said here but he did go on to say that it's certainly something that's worth pursuing as long as it doesn't envelope important parts of your life. "yin to the yang" are his exact words His mom was in the hospital with terminal cancer during that stream, she didn't make it much longer afterwards either

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because half a press is pressing and holding the button without releasing

no vajoon, how can fug?

holy shit this is really cool.

Shit, I didn't know that. I assumed his parents were divorced or something.

It just sounds like he's really projecting his frustration and self hate more than anything. The main problem is that people turn it into a job and end up only doing it because that's what they're used to doing. And there's nothing wrong with doing something to feel good about yourself. However, you shouldn't let that thing consume you. Test Runner is a good example. Dude was a professor and did Skyward Sword speedruns. He would talk with the stream about lessons he went over and other various questions as he played the game.

Again, he's projecting that he hasn't amounted to anything and dragging others down to his level to make himself feel a little less shit. You shouldn't feel so damn bad about being good at a game if you enjoyed playing it. If it makes you so miserable, then stop.

Well exactly. He understands because he's one of them.

What a cheating pleb.

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Until someone finds an exploit that lets you enter TTC 0x, using a pre-set HOLP automatically ocnsumes another A press. You can't even use spawn displacement to combine the first a-press with the next 5 ones needed to re-enter TTC for all the stars, or to set the HOLP in TTC, if that would somehow help on consecutive stars in the course.
Why are you you lumping me in with this philistine by the way?

He's able to get a bunch of the TTC stars and re-enter without incurring an extra A-press for re-entry. He figured out ways to get stars with a trajectory that results in him not getting fully ejected from the clock when he exits the level, so he can just walk back in.

she died at home, in relative comfort with her loved ones surrounding her, pancreatic cancer's a bitch

Read my posts. he was going through a lot of issues at the time. He goes over all of it in his Silo Speed Lore video. He was attending college at the time.

That ending was gold

My mistake, I got confused about re-entry with spawn displacement being impossible for 'Get a Hand', spawn displacement is usable for 0x re-entry for three stars, Roll into the Cage, The Pit and the Pendulums and Stop Time for Red Coins.
So the re-entry chain would work on some variation of this:
(Set HOLP)
Star 1 1xA TTC Entry
Roll into the Cage: re-entry
Star 2
The Pit and the Pendulums: re-entry
Star 3
Stop Time for Red Coins: re-entry
Star 4
Get a Hand: no holp, spawn displacement insufficient for re-entry
OR
Stomp on the Thwomp: no spawn displacement
OR
Timed Jumps on Moving Bars: no spawn displacement

Whichever two of these three stars aren't collected will each need to be collected on a new entry into TTC, meaning TTC still requires a total of 3x A presses to enter the course in order to get all the stars in the course. In other words, 6 particular stars all share a burden of 3 A presses between them.
In other words collecting this star took an effective 6 and a half A presses to collect

>Star 1
Meant
>Star 1

faggot

Fucking perfection. They even squeezed yuri in with the stats one.

BULLSHIT

Literally why is dub actors trying to imitate Japanese speech and mannerisms so fucking cringy? That Persona series seems to actually do at least a good enough job in that category.

The few streams and actual LPs I've watched all had genuine laughter and joy at something stupid happening or pulling off something like a combo or getting a specific item.

I thought the problem was that they don't try to imitate it at all and they end up sounding nothing like the original character.

Listen to the Ouran Highschool Host Club dub and wait to hear characters say "senpai". You immediately hear it sounds off, like they're trying to get more in character, but it comes off almost weeaboo.

>tfw she is asexual
Dodged a bullet I think.

Gonna have to pound the straight back into her, user.

If you know the sauce of these I'd appreciate knowing.

yeah right, enjoy nephew jamal

This is why I love video games, because it appeals tp my male fantasy

People can't make fun of you when you dress like a girl and suck dick, I hate doing it but it works.

Uh… yes they can? It doesn't magically stop it from happening, and in fact might make it worse. Even if you're a protected group, doesn't mean you get a free pass. Guns are illegal and people still shoot each other?

Of course they couldn't mate or the pigeon would explode.

He fucked up the reference but you're still a fag for not getting it.

Also local gun laws are unenforcable but national borders make a significant difference because it's relatively hard to smuggle through them, as opposed to just leaving city limits, which you can do without even realizing it.

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Fucking god dammit.

This is why you literally only ever fap to furry titties.

All you have to do is stick to what's straight and isn't anything more extreme or deviant than predictable rape instincts.

anoos

stay true

its weird how cancer work, instead of infecting him it infected his mom.

Yeah he cant get LAID FUQQEN LOOOOOL

You fucking retard, that's where shit is born, not babies. Oh my god, that's just disgusting. You are an appalling person.

Understand the difference between "press" and "press and hold".

Yeah, but the button is pressed outside the level, and the hold is released inside the level. He is measuring A presses per level, not A holds or A press-and-holds. He states in the video that he could have just called it a 0 press run under these circumstances, but chose to use the 0.5x moniker to indicate a small difference from previous no-press runs where the A-hold was not utilized.

He could press A 999999 times outside a level and still say that he beat the level in 0 A presses IF he does not PRESS A inside the LEVEL.

Gave me a bit of joy that the dude who is basically the best at kami no ken did probably the fastest run while he
and refused to abuse the more common spammable moves out of pride of style.

wat

I shitposted pretty hard in another thread and got a post deleted, I thought it might have affected this one, but a few of the other webm's are dead too

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AN A PRESS IS AN A PRESS

Spoken like a man who's never tried to learn programming. The game is aware of the difference.

It's not a question of whether or not the A button physically experienced a full press, because of course it did. The question is which parts of those presses occurred within the level in question.

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Fug

The fact people are pressing the button, half releasing it then pressing it again and saying they didn't press it to claim there's one less A in their speedrun is beyond fucking autistic, but it's pretty much a moot point considering who we are talking about.

Do you have difficulty conceptualizing things on multiple levels of scale or are you baiting? The initial button press did occur within the timeframe that the game was being played. The initial button press did not occur within the timeframe that the specific level in question was being played. It's as simple as that.

You mean before the system was turned on? Because that's the only way the game would not be aware of it.
Are you telling me the game didn't register the press before the level started?

ITT: Niggers need to learn how to do math and logic

youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww
youtube.com/watch?v=PCu_BNNI5x4

The argument is literally just "I didn't press the button while inside the level so it doesn't count."

This is a utopia of autism, just sneer and move on, be glad you don't obsess over this shit like these people do.

That's not what's happening here. Button presses are set to either true/false, so there's no way to half release it. The game is aware of three possible states, which are "The button was pressed on this frame," "The button was pressed on a previous frame and has not been released yet," and "The button was released on this frame." The argument is that if the first of those three states occurs before the level is entered, then the press portion of the code did not occur within the level, which is true.
No argument there. But it does logically check out from a programming perspective.

What point are you making? Are you relating the average of 1+(-1)+1+(-1)+… to the calculation of 0.5 A presses?

That's not even why he created the "0.5 presses" thing. As he himself says in the video where he explains it (Watch for Rolling Rocks), the press does count, regardless of when it is pressed.

So, if you're only running the level, then it's 1 A press. But if you're running the whole game, then you'd just not release the button from a previous time you'd pressed it, and it wouldn't add any more. That's what he means by 0.5 presses. In the unlikely even that there was only a half press left in the entire game, that would count as "1 A press".

This is not actually a difficult concept.

No it doesn't. Is this supposed to be some sort of troll?

Then why does it count as 0.5 A presses and not 1 at the end of rolling rocks?

It's bullshit psuedo-math.

It's logically sound

Prove it nigger :^)

He literally does in the video

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_series

Because in a full-game run it wouldn't add to the total, which makes it an improvement over a full press. But, he can't say that it's been avoided, either. So, he calls it as 0.5.

As for the -(1/12) thing, it is based on some actual math, but presented in a really trollish, out-of-context way by the kind of people who probably couldn't get past the Ass's Bridge in Euclid's Elements, but who jack-off to pictures of fractals and so think of themselves as "math geeks." Vid related.

I didn't ask him, I asked you. :^)

To clarify, I mean that the video explains the motivation for where the -(1/12) thing comes from, not that it's by a fractal-jacker. I've generally found that guys videos to be good, and his intro to the geometric interpretation of linear algebra was useful when I was learning that subject.

Make up your mind.

It's immortal, (((Henry))) is probably still having nightmares about it

Well, it wouldn't add any if there were still at least 1 other A press to leach off of.

Just read "half-press" as "while entering the course with A held" if it bothers you that much.

The fuck is wrong with you people?

Some retards have problems understanding what it means

AN

He talks about it in detail in his silo speedlore episode. Ryan's a nice guy

B

In a full game run, yes. But for the sake of segmented runs, it's useful to note if you can do something necessary with an A press from another level. This better helps him organize his runs to minimize A presses.

That's not what's happening. When you press the button Mario jumps and can do a few other actions. But holding the button also causes Mario to act in different ways than if you were not holding the button. So you might need to jump in a different level to get the star, then you can hold that A press and go to a different level, and use the fact that Mario acts different while you are holding the button to get another star that people might think requires a whole other A press, but can actually be done with the same A press from another star.

It's amazing how much bickering what is essentially a notational convenience causes.

File 404s, can someone reupload?

Yes, an A press is an A press, but what matters is when the A is pressed (and specifically the action of pressing, not any other aspect of the A button). The time and location of the press determines whether it was part that specific run in that specific level.

Would you say that he did not beat Bob-omb battlefield in 0 A presses because he used the A button when he first played the game so many years ago? No, that would be fucking ridiculous. Would you say that he did not beat it because he pressed A in another level? That would also be ridiculous. He does not press A in a very specific time and place.

The fact anyone even thinks it matters whether they pressed A one or fifty times at all is beyond autistic and pointless anyway, you'd think their autism would stop in them wasting months of their life to figure out how to cut 0.002 seconds from their speed run but they had to go where no autist had gone before and count how many button presses it took then try to play sophistry lawyer tricks to lower their count.

I didn't know that basic logic was sophistry.
So you're saying that it shouldn't be 0 A presses under this condition?

What I'm trying to say is that the guy from that Goldeneye speedrun rant was right.

This. Any setup you do before a level in order to change the natural state of the level or Mario within it is part of the actions you undertook to complete the level in the way you did.

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No really, why do people care about "number of times you tried to jump runs" in a platformer game, you'd think people playing decades old games autistically to finish them half a second faster would be the limit but it seems like they got bored of that already so now instead of moving on they come up with even more autistics takes on it.
As the faggot raging on Golden Eye, the entire speedrunning community is nothing but failure as human beings.

I wonder how user would feel if he knew these runs were TAS and he isn't even playing the game himself.

I've been impressed by some of the warps and other glitches they managed to exploit but the entire thing is really a staggering waste of autism power that should be unleashed in more productive things like capturing cuck flags using cloud patterns.

Climb to the top of the Tick-Tock Clock using only 3 A presses. Checkmate.

You're all fucking retarded and missed the entire point of a half A-press, good job. As much as you cry about autism, you might want to try some basic fucking understanding of logic and see how you feel about it. Consider the following two goals, X and Y. X requires you to press A twice, Y requires you to hold A at the beginning, then press it twice during the goal. If you complete them in order Y, X, how many presses are required? The answer is 5, one to press and hold for Y, two in the level, and then another 2 for X. However in order X, Y, you only need to press A 4 times, twice in X, the last one held down for the purpose of completing Y, then another 2 during Y.

In Isolation, Y requires 3 presses. In a run with other goals preceding it, it only requires 2. Since the number of A presses is different depending on the situation, the term "half A press" arose to refer to this. This has nothing to do with a press "not counting" because "it didn't happen in the level!" it has everything to do with the actual circumstances that would arrive if you tried to complete the game with the minimum number of A presses.

Because they enjoy it, it's fun, they're challenging themselves to do something and learning more about how a video game they like works. It's no different than spending hundreds of hours playing a multiplayer online shooter trying to improve yourself, or playing through that game you really like for the 10th time because you enjoy it. Not being able to understand other people's emotions and points of view is a sign of autism user.

That's actually theoretically possible. If anyone actual figures out how to replicate this glitch things get way easier.

I never said half a press wasn't a thing faggot. Pressing A before a level and releasing it during the level is still a whole press.

Not when they're still hanging to a 20 years old game or blue hedgehog instead of moving on in life clearly.

He explained why there's nothing wrong with it. If you don't understand the context as to why he said the things he said you don't deserve to use it as proof for jack.

I suppose you only play mature games for mature gamers such as yourself?

why wouldnt you, the whole point of vidya is to beat it, to exercise your skill within it, to have a challenge before you and overcome it, to MASTER it
so if exercising and improving your mastery is pointless why even pick up the controller?

Why play a casual platformer and make up stupid rules such as how little you can actually play it by pressing the less buttons possible then make up stupid excuses like I got my cat to press the button or I 'didn't really sort of press it' to lower your own button press counts?
The entire logic is as autistic as the whole NO ITEMS FOX ONLY scene honestly, perhaps even worse.

Why the fuck not faggot? By that logic why play video games when you can work all the time? He's pursuing a hobby, not gunning schools.

why play any videogame?
also pressing A in a previous level sometimes carying over is in no way stupid and is a natural consequence of the gameplay if you are counting button presses (no comment on whether counting button presses is a little silly)
a challenge run is a new way to master the game user, if you deny them why even play videogames

The only part I left out was "in the context of the run" which should be fucking obvious anyway. Enjoy your fleeting feelings of superiority for hammering in several points that have already been mentioned in the thread.

When you start to brag about it and make entire graphs explaining how that A press didn't count it sort of stops being about playing video games now and more about really stupid shit that doesn't even matter now, does it?
Same with the sitting in your home for 1 hour with a TAS so you can glitch pokemon to give you the you are the pokemon champion screen btw

first of all he dosnt brag about it, his videos were watched by very few people until they became a meme and he was fine with that, in fact he hates the spotlight
second of all at no point does he try to say that A presses dont count under any circustance, he presses A 1 time for 2 levels that both require the "a is held" state, its a fucking notation quirk

So basically things you don't like don't matter. k got it.

If the best you got in life is to count how many times you press a button to beat a casual game designed for kids of all ages you got bigger problems than me not liking something.

if the best you got in life is shitposting on a forum about a medium you hate you got bigger problems then simply being retarded

Was gonna say something along those lines.

No reason to get butthurt user, in a way vidya is about wasting time, some people are just more autistic than others, like those obsessed with Mario or Sonic.

Of all ages but not of all generations.

we get it, you dont like video games and think they are a childish waste of time

No user, I love vidya, sorry to insult your unhealthy obsession making you get all defensive about it.
It really doesn't matter at all if he pressed A before the level, after the level, or if he beat Psychic mantis by unplugging the controller, no point arguing about it.

Good one

Good one chad.

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My argument the whole point has been that going to such lengths because they are already bored of speedrunning, pretty much everything's been done already but they are too autistic to move on is just fucking pathethic user, the only one trying to argue here are the people getting all defensive trying to argue that pressing A really is pretty important because autism.

The irony here is that if he moved on nobody would be fascinated at how far he's been able to take it. A hobby's a hobby, if you wanna call it useless you can but so is vidya in general.

Get a wife.

You could say the same about CWC's comics user but let's be honest here, if speedrunning Mario64 is like a really dumb olympic event, counting how many A presses you can beat Mario64 with would be the special olympics.
I'm sure someone out there would think how to not jump over a goomba for days even while taking a shit so he gets to save one A press but the entire thing has already gone beyond the levels of absurdity before it even gets to that point.
Not saying that they don't have any right to just keep being autistic figuring out how to collect a star that's above them without jumping, if that prevents them from going out and macing security guards it might be for the best, but you can't honestly deny there's something incredibly silly when people have to make a topic about it.

Your analogy is so shit I can't even begin. Basically the A press shit would be above the Olympics, it would be like doing all the events with your hands tied and excelling regardless. I'de pay to see somebody do the long jump with 1 foot, wouldn't you?
That's the point. There's nothing inherently wrong with how absurd it is. And in the process there's understanding about the games system and mechanics. If this is to much for you to understand then move on. It's not for you.
People who work to much and don't have enough fun do that.
It's an ongoing situation. I want to be there when he finally is able to beat the game without a single A press. It'll be a milestone that's for sure.

But did he use half-A presses, if so, it doesn't count.

Yeah just like some runner shooting himself in the foot before running is totally how the event is supposed to go, he'll show how good he is by fucking himself up playing a jumping game without jumping, brilliant.

You can user, it's called the special olympics

Again with the shitty comparisons. It's more like binding your foot with a rope because it's by choice.
Are you telling me that if somebody said they could jump over a wall without jumping you wouldn't want to see that?

That's retarded, not autistic. Get your shit right and stop making shit tier analogies.

of course it's not fucking important, but it's no less important than playing the game at all. it's a challenge, and people do it because it's there. what more reason do you need?

The main issue with the no A press challenge is that is a feat that no really cares about. It's like trying to open a bottle only with your dick, sure it would be a challenge and very few people would consider it possible. But why the fuck would you? Most other game challenges like speed running, perfect ranks, or pure stealth runs are about optimization. Some are to the point of basically abusing the glitches to program the game to the ending. The this half a press shit is the exact opposite of that using every trick in the book to do an unoptimized run, which even then he isn't attempting because he believes hold down a button doesn't count as a press.
I think he would be an idiot and full of shit if does a small jump to do it and says it's not a jump because it was only a half jump.
The special Olympics is for intellectually disabled be physically to compete in psychical sports. Autism is considered an intellectual disability. The analogy fits.

Are you saying that if someone told you he could open a bottle with his dick, you wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in how he does it?

A 7th A press is a 7th A press you can't say it's only 6

I would think that his dick was uncut and not be interested in it watching him attempt it.

I encoded the webm, I'm glad people are using it.
Here you go user.

How can he make a half an A press if video games are for gays?

Wish he just trained a cat to be homosexual and then make the homosexual cat beat Mario 64 for him, now that would be a better show than the autistic half A presses.

The views on his vids beg to differ.
I'de pay to see that
Gee user. Why rise to any challenge while you're at it? This entire argument you're posing is just you not liking something.
In this case it's about using methods to get around a hindrance. In speedruns that's often the case as you usually have to go into situations with less shit to save time.
He uses pretty much every trick in the book to get an optimized run without an A press actually. Might be to much of a sub-category to you but then again nobodies forcing you to watch it.
Because it doesn't
More likely you'd see him warp to another universe in order to gain enough speed to clip through it.
Low functioning autism maybe. This shit's in the area of solving mathematical equations that man can't even comprehend. As far as I'm concerned this shit is on a higher plane of existence. Shit tier analogy.

Then you'de be wrong.

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It is a press. A half press. Go home Henry.

If I hold down a button how many times have I pressed it user?

He's pressing and holding the button, in order to hold the button, he must press it. This is what I mean by he's not fulfilling his challenge. Hell he doesn't count pressing the a button when starting level mentioned in this post here . I would call that shit immediate disqualification if he was serious about a presses. If he want to minimize the jumps that's fine, and a little stupid, but that's different concept and you have to state that.
No, I stand by my half jump statement, at best it would be some parkour shit but he has to a small jumps here and there.

Once.

And he did. Halfway.
You think he doesn't know this? He's getting better though. He's down to 3 I think. But if he holds down the button and releases it for another level he's saving half an A press.
because he didn't. he pressed it outside the level thus it's not
He does. Clearly in his videos. He never states "I don't press A at all" he states he presses it halfway for the specific use in his video on that specific level. If you watch his videos you'de know that.
Well in the video he doesn't jump so good luck trying to change reality. You can stand by your incorrect analogy if you want though.

Correct, but just like in Mario Kart where the placement of coms can be switched before a level, there is nothing about manipulating variables before entering a level that is forbidden. As he and other's defined the rules for what counts as an A press.
You don't get to do that because you haven't defined the category. It counts as 1 A press in the overall speedrun of the game, but counts as 0 A presses if we take just the level in isolation.

I was almost taking you seriously.

No, it's all or nothing. You can't hold a switch down, without activating it. The activation part is what i'm talking about. Unless you can hold the button without activating it then its not halfway.
Then should I take his half press shit seriously in the first place when he's cheating by his own rules and trying to justify it?
I know that, I just think it's bullshit just like pressing to start the level doesn't count.
I wasn't talking about the video when said the analogy, the "half jumps" in post were a presses. Eat shit.

It's a pretty self serving rule. It's like saying your'e doing a pacifistic run but the people you have to kill to continue the game don't count.

So, if I go back with penis bottle opener anlogy again, I can't contest that he isn't opening a bottle with penis if he shoves a bottle opener in his forskin with his hands? Just because he made up the challenge itself?
Then it's it's one press, period. A level in a speed run and one that isolated would still take the same amount of time if you count the starting at the same starting point.
Then you're the dumbass not me, I know that the kicking is not done with the a button. My analogy in that post was the method he does to achive it, not the video itself.Tthe kicking and all the glitching is the parkour, the 'small jumps' is the a presses. Considering that he's counting the a press not a button jumps, i'm going to hold him to that standard. All he has to do is say minimum/no a jump run, not a presses, and i'm content.

he isn't opening a bottle only with his penis

It's not a switch. It's a button. If it were a switch it would be a full pull and a push.
Except if you did that it wouldn't be half either. The concept is if Mario is jumping in correspondence to pressing the button. If I unplugged my controller and pressed A while the game was going that wouldn't constitute as an A press because it didn't effect the game.
He justified it perfectly. You just aren't listening. he didn't press the button in the level. Notice how the video is titled the level star and then how many A presses instead of "the entire game" in 0.5 A presses?
Well you don't have the background that he has in how the game functions. I'm sure the guy's gone into the code and broken down every single element of pressing A. Have you? He's obviously more of an authority on the subject so what makes your opinion of it more grounded?
tism. And you faggots get mad when he explains this sort of stuff in painstaking detail and go on to wright replies in the same manor but with less facts and more whining.

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But it is a switch, it's a pressure activated switch. That's what electronic buttons are, that the entire reason why there's no fucking half press.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-button
A push-button (also spelled pushbutton) or simply button is a simple switch mechanism for controlling some aspect of a machine or a process.
Exactly, that's why a there's no half press either.
It's still bullshit.
Appeal to authority huh? Look man it's not hard, if he has to activate the a button, it's a single press, period. If he save more a presses by holding it once, then it's still one press not a half.

I haven't talked to you before that post, did you think I was someone else? Or am I wrong to have my curiosity piqued?

then it's half a "switch" pull. But even then the context is that he presses it before a level so it's still wrong.
Well no it's still a half press due to the fact that the A button is held down when he enters a level. Keep up.
Says the low func autist.
More like appeal to the person who has more knowledge on a given topic.
And he doesn't activate it in the level. Thus it's half an A press.
It's half in the level. 1 full press considering both levels. So he completed an objective in the level in 0.5 A presses. Jeeze you must have trouble typing all these words with such a low understanding of such a simple concept.

Was meant for I think. Genuinely don't know why I typed that. I'm in the middle of setting up some emulation shit.

I'm surprised how retarded autists can get, look if you just hold a key in a piano you're not "half pressing" it, stop making up bullshit to excuse how the autist had to press a fucking button this is just sad.

Keep ignoring what I said user. You can't compare a piano to this. You are completing an objective in a time frame where you never press the button. It's only held down. Thus it's a half press.

Except it isn't, you can't say you're playing 2 notes with a single key if you tell someone to count to 3 then hold a key before he gets to 3 then pressing a second one, that's just fucking beyond retarded.

A switch is either on or off. If you active at it, it's a full on, there is no half on. What part of this do you not understand?
Then it's one activation, aka one press.
That's exactly what a appeal to authority is.
It's still activated in the level, it's a press. The only way it's not a 'full press' is if let go of the a button immediately after pressing to start the level.
You pretentious fuckwit. I'm saying anytime he presses and holds the button counts as one press period. So if he beats a level with 3 .5 presses, its 3 presses. If it's normally done with 5 'full' presses as you call them, I would consider it a legitimate tactic but not a 'half press' but 'press and hold'.

Why are you so good at making such shitty analogies? You're not pressing 2 keys you're pressing 1 button for a game with specific context. This would be more similar to continuing the last note of a song into the next song thus making the first note in the song a "half A press".

I understand it. But in the context of the video it's not a similar thing.
No it's not. Because there's no press. It's already activated. If you want to go more into detail about it watch the video.
Then it makes sense. Would you listen to the retard who's making assumptions with no experience or the person well versed in the topic to provide specific and well put information on it? Same concept. Fucker knows his stuff, why should I doubt it when I barely know anything about the deeper mechanics myself? More importantly why should you? Unless you know the incredibkly specific reasons as to why Pannen considered it half an A press you shouldn't be speaking like you actually grasp the concept.
Except it's not. It's fully activated but not pressed. If there's no act of pressing it's not a full A press.
And the projection starts.
Then you clearly don't understand how the game works and what the definition of a full A press is.
If you had a fully functioning brain instead of half of one you'de understand the concept better maybe. In that level as long as he's not pressing the button it would count as 1.5 presses. Outside of the level as well as inside it would count as 3.
Well unless you want to go to the group of TAS'ers who are infinitely more experience than you on the subject and articulate why their wrong then your interpretation of the issue isn't going to be taken with any debate. Learn what you're discussing before you try and assert concept to them that likely don't function by the same logic.

That'd be pretty impressive

I don't even think he knows why. The dude is so invested in Mario 64, he's undoubtedly more familiar with the game than the developers at this point. He's currently offering a $1000 bounty for someone to replicate a glitch that allows him to complete Tick Tock Clock with even less A-presses.

Nobody can replicate it either. At this point I think it's more or less confirmed that it's a bug that can't be replicated.

It's a computer program, user. Of course a bug can be replicated given the right conditions.

Anyways, posting my personal favorite pannen.

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I didn't realize there were actual TJ Henrys on Holla Forums. Amazing.

If the first note is the last note is it still a full press on the second song if it was pressed on the first? Ponder that for a while before your next post.

>you're now hearing his raspy autistic nerd voice manually

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A press and a hold are different. After you've pressed a key, you are holding it. Pressing and holding are different events and you can separate them

Holding a key is considered pressing and not letting go, as far as the game cares the switch is still sending a signal until released.
You can't hold a button without pressing it, a concept such as x0.5 press is thus entirely silly since even the game is constantly recognizing the 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA' from the controller.

Then it's still one note, not a half note. Because you still pressed it you fucking retard. Even if you carried it over you had to press the damn key in the first place.
Then. He. Is. Bullshitting.
I don't think you understand. Activation=press, there is no half activation.
The problem with appeal to authority, is because he's an expert it must be true. the authority himself must prove it true, for it not be a fallacy. Or at least cite and understand his logic.
Activation=press so it's one press.
This is why I called you pretentious, you're give a definition of something with incredible importance when it's clear the man who did made it did mental gymnastics so he could say did in less activations than he actually did.
No I get it, i'm just saying that logic is flawed.
I'm saying it's three both inside and outside, because the definition of 'half press' is both wrong because how switches work and a conflict of interest because he wants to lower his a press count.
That's another appeal to authority. But it's also true just because you're full of shit doesn't they're full of shit.

Yes, and the second song would probably sound off for the first note. I'm getting the vibe that you're going to say since if hold the key in the second song and would have one less key pressed, or rather .5 key pressed if you don't count the 1st key of the second song. If you believe the one less key press is your 'proof' of a half press, you're still wrong. That's a press and hold. You must press to hold. Yes you can save more press that by doing that but it is still one press entirely.

Well, TJ """Henry""" Yoshi is right. The phrase half A-press is poorly thought out. It should be split A-press or transitional A-press.

Pretty much this, if wanted people to stop giving him shit for it, he should of named it something else. "Held a press", seems accurate, since that's what he does with 'half press'.

Well no you're holding it. That's why they're 2 different words dummy.

Actually it's sending a different one in the game. Pressing A will result in a jump. Holding A will result in falling slowly under certain circumstances.

Yes but in the context of the next song it's a half note.
Which isn't in the next song. Under the videos title of getting the star by completing the level with half an A press it's still correct.
No but there's a different state. Holding A in SM64 and Pressing A result in 2 different things.
He has in several dozens of videos. You just can't accept the clear logic behind them. And because he's an expert I'm going to believe him on a concept more firmly than anybody else.
activation =/= similar states. It's a separate action therefore worth splitting.
If I were pretentious I would ascribe higher knowledge. this isn't higher knowledge. It's basic sense because I've played the game and understand what he's talking about to a degree. The game stores different states for the action of pressing A and the action of Holding A. By definition they are 2 different states as far as the game is concerned in its code thus making half an A press possible. If you want further details look up one of his many videos on it.
You can't assume a logic is flawed if you don't understand how it works. You spent 2 minutes listening to his argument then went off the assumption that there was nothing else to it.
Switches work differently to the one your prescribing in the game. Different outcomes result in different actions of the same button therefore it's a different concept and an improper analogy.
Besides the fact that knowledge isn't an innate authority you're forgetting how you half no understanding of a concept to even point them out as wrong. It goes back to what I said, if you don't understand how the argument works don't try and refute it.
In piano music the sound created from striking the string on a piano is different to the vibrations the wire makes. If you went from this logic then the first song would be half a key press if it's abiding by the logic that there are separate outcomes to the act of holding a note and striking one. Stay mad faggot.

The thing is if he called it a held a press it would imply that you could do it without pressing a to begin with. And you can't end the game with a held A press. I think the because the context is so specific here that half a press is just fine. People who want to bitch about it care more about semantics than they do the concept.

TJ I know where you're coming from but that's not what the notation is about
Pannen explained in the Rolling Rocks video that it's called a "0.5x" because it only adds an additional A press in some contexts. It means the button only needs to be held, not released and pressed again.
Notice how there aren't ever any actual half-presses and it's just to show whether something requires A to be released or not.

It's the same signal, if you hold the fire button in a shooter and run out of bullets you're not half shooting even if the game reacts differently once you have no more bullets to shoot, the button is still being pressed even if the game does different things depending on the situation, be it swimming, shooting, bouncing higher off enemies or whatever, the A button is a binary switch therefore there's no half presses.

People who care about not facing the fact he is pressing a button are just delusional.

No it's an entirely different signal actually. A different situation as well.
The state of running out of bullets isn't the difference. That's on a separate plane. The act of constantly firing as apposed to the first but that's triggered by firing is a different function and therefore worth separating.
I bet you've counted in 2's all your life.
Nobody's saying he's not pressing it. Just that he's not pressing it to its full potential and sequence.

Either you're pressing it or you're not pressing it, this is as childish as telling a 5 year old kid to stop touching you so he just grabs you and says he isn't touching because he's half touching you.
The button is either pressed or not, holding a button means you're pressing it, pressing it doesn't mean you're holding it.

You're autistic. See the post I just posted.

If you are really that interested in lowering the A button count to make up bullshit like that you should try just switching the A key with the B key and claim you made it pressing A 0 times already.

The act of pressing and holding are 2 different things. get over it bub.
No this would be like if the child touched you or grabbed you and didn't let go. Then you threw the child into another car and the other child said he touched you in the next car.
You already pressed it. Holding results from pressing. That's why it's another word.

The B functions in another way so it wouldn't count. Holding a button means you're not pressing it if you only look at the time frame of after you've pressed it and before you've let go.

If you're going to count every frame of holding A as a seperate press you can, but for the purposes of the A Button Challenge it only counts the first frame because that's the only part that makes Mario jump.

Hire a hooker and tell her to play the game for you, there you now beat mario pressing A 0 times.
Or just become a game journo and go sign a petition so every game is a movie game, you'll never have to press A again.

Henry go to bed. You sound disheveled and are resorting to verbal abuse.

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I pulled the A button off, now I can trigger the switch with a pen, what now?

The A button is still being activated and you're still a faggot.
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It isn't being pushed, in fact it has been pulled which makes it -1 by their own rules.

Actually it makes it +1 pull.

It's not about the press. It's about the game recognizing an A input and causing Mario to jump, and the challenge is to minimize jumps or other A-button actions by not making A inputs. Continued inputs (normally caused by holding the button) do not cause a jump and are listed differently for this reason.

No it's not, you were never played an instrument or were in a choir were you. At best you hold the last note for whatever beats then keep holding for how long the first note is. Also a held note is not a different note. So normally you really couldn't pull that shit off, unless the two songs are actually one song with two movements that are typically played separately for some weird reason.
Sounds like you're counting actions in the game not the presses that you're doing yourself. Like link swinging his sword then holding it, when you let go link does the spin attack. Technically two swings in game but one B press. If a foe goes down in two normal swings but one spin swing it's a legitimize tactic. But I would never call it a half B press. You still need to press to get to the other state or at least ready it.
Because im talking about physical presses and he's talking about the state the press is in. I do not care about the latter.
We're talking presses total, the activation is what counts, you need to do the first state to get the second state.
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making claim to or creating an appearance of (often undeserved) importance or distinction
If were talking about press the a button total the two different states are unnecessary because you have to do the first state, which is pressing the button, no matter what to get the second state.
Because he's making up an excuse so he doesn't have to count it. The people who are bitching about the half press don't care about the two states, they just count the time he initially pressed it.
Yes the push button in the game can be both push-to-make (press to activate) and push-to-break (press to release). However both states require pressure to work, im counting the time you have to put pressure on the button, regardless if you hold it or not.
If this is your logic then you are fucking dead wrong.

In that case you're correct, then. Pannen's stuff is based on the game's receiving of A inputs because his videos are TAS.

No but it's a different song. Therefore it's a different note to the song yet the same one between each thus half.
In the world of TAS nothing is done yourself. But even then why would assume that the actions in the game don't constitute towards the term? It could constitute for either really.
Then you can't make assumptions based off of it. Simple as that.
And half of that is the initial swing while the other half is holding for the spin. If link left an area holding down A and entered a new area and you counted only that new area then that next area would be half an A press.
Yes but the context is that you aren't referencing when you pressed it. Only when you're holding it down.
So then if the activation is all that counts then by that logic it IS a half press because the time frame is after the initial press.
See I' not creating an undeserved appearance. You are actually by asserting your own definitions to things that you don't even understand. Way to go that backfired on you.
The problem with this is you can't disassociate the concept of pressing and holding a button to 2 differences. In the game he presses A 1 time. But in between that 1 time he holds it down and enters a new zone. He then states that in the time frame of the new zone it's a half A press and that the holding down of the A button is a different function entirely. If you're going to stick to your definitions then apply them to concept that make sense. Because it's not here.
He IS counting it in the long term. But for the level in which he enters with the A button held down it's only half.
And it wasn't during the level therefore it's not a full press. It was held during the level and not released or pressed. Thus is constitus as half because the functions from initially pressing it aren't there. It's not rocket science Chad.
It's 2 different types of pressure. One is the start of said pressure and the other is keeping the pressure consistent. 2 different functions.
Who cares what you're counting. It's obviously not relative to the video. It's your own arbitrary concept that applies for other things.
It's a secluded time frame. If you can't understand how time works you may be from another dimension.

Then calling them 'A pushes' is a massive misnomer and they should had just counted jumps thus preventing this whole +0.5 A stupidity.

If you counted A jumps that would mean you could say that he did Rolling Rocks in x0 a presses because he wouldn't be counting holding it.

Sometimes A doesn't jump, like when you're underwater, and "2.5 A Presses" is easier and shorter to write than "held A input and 2 initial A inputs".

But in that case you're already mixing up mechanical presses and actions which is just silly.

Presses in a TAS are still actions made in programming. Assuming you were playing without TAS and could somehow pull off those moves it would still be valid.

He means that there's no actual half-presses so it's technically incorrect. Maybe it should be called "2H" instead of "2.5" so it means "2 with hold", but the ABC community is already using the 0.5 notation so it would just be another thing to explain.

If your transitioning to another song immediately you're treating both songs as one, so it's one note.
If he's doing it in TAS then I would still count any time he puts a new A input as an entire press, even when he's using it for the 'half press'.
That what I thought.
Here's the kicker, I don't, I consider that one press. Sure it the b button turns into a release switch, but you had to put pressure to get that state.
I would call that held or charged press, not half.
No you are making an unimportant distinction, that why you're pretentious.
Because the most important part of a low/no a button run is the amount times you put pressure on the a button on the first place!
This half-press shit tally makes sense as total, but right now it's just a self-serving excuse at worst and a mental note for him when he does the real deal at best. When the level is isolated I'd consider them full a presses.
All that shit don't matter if you count the initial part of the press and the rest of it as one press. What part of that do you not understand?
The pressure is self is the press, there needs to be pressure to get the second function in the first place.
Then who gives a shit about a presses at all? The entire concept of the challenge is arbitrary. It obviously matters to him since he makes the distinction in the first place. Besides the people who complaining about the half a press shit are counting that.
It's an arbitrary distinction, which seems to be useless to the challenge at face value that just makes bystandards think you're full of shit.

Yeah, that's what happening. Pannen mentions in the Rolling Rocks video that 0.5 presses count as a full press in the context of a single level.

Well if you consider holding down the button and not actually pressing it then you could probably assume it's a half press under the correct context.

Except it's 2 different songs. If you simply held on the note it would transition to the next song. Besides that I'm not the one comparing a piano to SM64.
The A press input isn't occurring during the level though so it's not a full A press.
So it's a half press. Thought as much.
If you don't you don't. But objectively to the context of what's happening it's a half press. During the scene of his video he entered a level with the button already pressed therefore it's not a full A press.
It's half because it's not the full press. "charged press" would imply you could get to that state without pressing it at any point. Which is impossible.
It's important to the context of this thread obviously. You making the assumption that it's an unimportant distinction is exactly why you're on the side of pretentiousness here.
If the time in which this concept is perceived is where you already have pressure without the initial press it's a half A press.
In fact it's the exact opposite. As a total it's considered a full press where both the act of pressing it and holding it down are in relativity to each other.
Except you're not counting the initial part of the press in the video. Which is why it's a half press. I understand it fully. You're just ascribing a different term to one that's already established.
It's not because the pressure in a hold results in a different state for the game. You can't separate a hold function to a full press because if it were a full press every action that occurs in a full press would in fact occur. Since it's not occurring it's not a full press.
And the second function in this context exists in its own bubble. We've been over this.
It's perfectly logical under the circumstances. You're just applying a different logic to it.
He made the distinction based on knowledge that's more in depth than the people who made the fucking game. You can't refute an argument by saying the argument doesn't make sense because it's not functioning under your own logic. The logic is there because it perfectly suits the concept it's being applied to. Believe it or not every word does not universally mean the same thing in every context.
It's the title of the fucking video. The specific distinction is the time between loading the level and getting the star. It's not arbitrary at all.
And those bystanders are wrong because they don't understand the concept. I don't go into an office and tell the worker how they're definition of a goal is all wrong and should be appropriated to a different one because the old one confuses people. It's what functions for them under that jurisdiction and context.
Fugget I'm off to bed. I might reply tomorrow if I feel up to it. Though the thread is near bump limit so ehh.

So even in the rolling rock video, which is the most elaborate and famous video about 'half presses', he fucked up explaining it. Half press is a really fucking confusing term, especially when it's not the initial press. I'm getting a hunch that they name it after music notation, since half note is longer than quarter which is the most common note.

Nigger, I am a programmer. I've written 2D and 3D game engines in C++, I've stuck my cock in a message pump, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. That's irrelevant.
THE FAGGOT IS MANIPULATING THE HARDWARE OUTSIDE OF THE LEVEL
THE CUNT MIGHT AS WELL USE A GAME GENIE

You're playing them back to back without stopping by using that note to transition to the other song. So your basically treating them as one whole song. And to be fair I wasn't the one who brought up the piano analogy either.
But the a press input happened, you can't get the 'half' state until you activate the 'initial' state. That's why 'a half-press is still a press'.
I'm gonna call it charged, not half.
What the fuck, it implies the exact opposite, show me a mega man game post-3 or any game that has a charged shot mechanic for that matter, that you can skip the charging without glitching.
The debate is about wither or not it's half bit important distinction, if it's not, you're pretentious one that's overthinking it, if it is then i'm just a retard.
It's still one press wither or not you do the 'charged press' part of the press. The 'initial press' phase is one that people bitch to Pannen.
But I am, i'm just saying you can't disregard that the 'initial' press you had to do to start the level, just because you're hold a 'charged' press in the level. You still had to do the 'initial press' to get 'charged press'. To translate "henry's" point: a press needs an "initial press" you can't only say it's a "charged press".
And i'm saying you can't get to the "charged press" with doing the "initial press". If you talking about a charged press you've implied that you have done a initial press beforehand. So it really seem idiotic to say that you did half a press.
I'm talking about the initial press, without the initial press there's no charging, or releasing function. This is the part that makes the another presses possible. It just seem silly to focus on those other phases when all of them require the initial press.
And can not be possible without the initial function.
Maybe, my point is that you can't do the 'charged press' or 'half press' without the 'initial press'. So when one says 'half press' it implies your doing a half of an 'initial press'.
Yes and that's the current explanation of a 'half press' is fucking confusing. And most people consider the 'initial press' to be the real press. You can still do a 'charged/half press' but it's still one press because you did one 'initial press'.
No, but I do go to comment sections of game journos that think difficulty is racist, and say they're full of shit, they suck at video games and need to git gud.

Yes, which is why it matters in the context of a greater run, but not in the context of the level in isolation. Did you not watch his explanation?

He needs to do it regardless when doing the greater run or isolated run, you might as well say it the initial press is required instead of splitting it up.
It is a terrible explanation to does not address the typical complaint he gets.

Well no I'm specifically treating them as other songs.
The initial state isn't counted outside the time frame.
Again, it can't apply due to the fact that you can't get to that state without the press.
It doesn't imply anything else. You can't get to that state without the press therefore you can't consider it a charge.
I can't be overthinking an established logic is the issue
Except you can't get to the "charged press" stage without the initial press. So it wouldn't be a proper term.
He's not. And he describes that.
Sure you can. He just can't disregard it in a full game run.
You mean a Half A press.
Well you can't only say it's a charged press because that would imply you got to that stage without the initial press. A half A press is a better term for it.
No but you can do a half A press by starting a press down earlier then moving into the level and counting it there int hat context.
Well no it implies you're got into that state without doing an initial press. Plus it's not "charging" anything. It's a state, not a gradual build of anything. A half A press works because it implies that there's a process that's cut off.
Well without the initial press there's no half press. And there's never any charging.
It's not silly at all because the process of holding the A button has a completely different use than pressing the A button.
Doesn't mater. The initial function isn't counted for that time frame. His descriptions say this.
Well no it implies what it says. You're using a separate function for the A button outside of the context of an important step. Since he never releases the A button before he goes into the next level he's in fact doing half of that step.
It doesn't matter if it's confusing. As long as it makes sense to the context of the people using it then it works. Concepts shouldn't be dumbed down so people can understand it in an incorrect way.
Well they don't have a correct knowledge of how reality works. The concept of a half A press does because it completely understands a concept and a term is created that makes sense to fit it. Simple as that.

The complaint is addressed. It's a half A press because there's 3 parts to a press. In the time frame he's in he's only doing the middle part and not the first or third. Thus it's considered a half step.

I'm saying that's a cop out.
Exactly, that's why it fits, you can't get to the charged state without doing the initial press
A typical charging mechanic requires to you an 'initial press' then hold the press down until it's considered charged in the game. That's why a charged press makes more sense then saying it's a half press.
That's exactly what im saying, why the half press term is bogus, since you can't get to the 'half press' stage of a press without the initial press.
Yes, and I'm saying he's full of it for doing it
I meant charged, half press gives implies half of the initial press not the 2nd function of an button which charged press implies it's a different state than just tapping it.
No, doesn't. A charged press implies you got to that state with the initial press since you can't get to the charged state with out holding it down the button.
half press gives the impression that you're doing a half of an initial press which you can not do. Saying it's a charged press implies its a different state than initial press and hints that the initial press is required to do it.
But he still had to do the initial press though, even when the level is isolated or considered in a greater run
It doesn't, it implies you have press (the initial press) and you have hold the button down to get to the state.
The initial press is the 'charging part' of the press, the holding it the button down just long enough to get to held function, is the charging, when it transitions to the held state then it's 'fully charged' or just 'charged' for short.
Unfortunately it gives an impression that the initial press is cut off which you can not do at all.
Exactly, that's why henry is right. You can't say you can do half of an initial press, which half press gives an impression you're doing. And you are holding down the button until you can get the held function, thus you charging the button, and when it reaches what game considered the held stated the button is charged.
The half press term gives an impression that you're doing half of a quick press of the a button. Which either wouldn't even register at all or just register as a normal quick press button so you might as call it a quick press. The name is fucking terrible.
But does matter because it implies you can get to the 'half' press without doing the initial function.
Considering that people keep on saying that you can't do a half a press, it doesn't. Especially since your holding down the button get to that state.
So you're saying the game journos are right and cuphead needs to be dumbed down. That's what your doing with this a half press shit.
The complaint is dissmissed.
But can you do half of the first part? That's the entire crux of the complaint of half press term, because it gives an impression Pannen he's doing half of the first part, which you even admit is not possible. That's why charged press is better since it implies that it is not only the first part of a press but you have do the first part to get to the second.

Here's fucking diagram by what I mean right here

Technically, Pannen is thinking of only half of the second line as being included.

Fair enough, here's an edited version. The issue have is that you can't do the second line without the first line. Even if you do the first line in a loading screen where it's not registered, since you still have to that action to get to the second.

Shit I forgot the chart.

Right, he's not saying that the first part doesn't happen, or that it doesn't count, just that it doesn't occur within the level. The goal was never to say "I can beat the level in less presses because I started the press before the level started." That would be stretching the truth, at best. The goal was to reduce the number of presses over the course of an entire run through the game. Saying that "half" of a press occurred within the level is just a shorthand way of saying "I didn't yet let go of the button from earlier on in the run when I did need to press it." I think henryfags are stuck on the graph explanation and the context of that specific level, which Pannen focuses on heavily, rather than abstracting it out to its actual applied purpose, which is the whole of the run.

Okay, it's just when he says it gives an impression that he is doing that.
Then he just needs to say that instead because half press can give a false impression that he's saying "I can beat the level in less presses because I started the press before the level started." The whole shitstorm is cause by poor communication.
Because they stumble upon the video without watching the previous videos, so they consider the initial press to be what you count for the presses, and don't have the context of the whole run, or if they do it doesn't matter until he does it in one go. While I understand as applying as rough draft for whole run, the half press is just a terrible name for it, for the sheer confusion it brings.

He does, though. He takes about a full minute to explain exactly that at around the two minute mark of the video. Vid related.
Probably. I think a lot of people watch it just for the meme value of laughing at a autistic savant, without really taking the time to try to understand him or his ultimate goal.
I imagine that his peers probably all understand what he means by "half," but it doesn't immediately convey the meaning to anyone who's just learning about it. Maybe a "Stored A Press" or "Retained A Press" would be better.

Would you a scuttlebug?

My arguments always been for the middle one though. Simply put the only reason you can't accept anything otherwise is because you can't come to terms with the fact that he's only counting the time frame of the level and nothing before or after.

Not with those ears.
good thread, we need to have one when he finally beats the game with 0 A presses

Autism personified