VOTE FOR BERNIE

yeah remember when Trump's debate performances carried him through the general?

How he got so aggressive all of a sudden too, he got angry at having to defend mandated private insurance and interrupted cuz, that was just terrible.
He essentially spent the debate defending his own platform instead of Obama's shitty legacy.

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Bernie just used "quotes" when Ted referred to Finland as a Socialist country, meanwhile youtube comments were saying that being able to call 911 is socialism.
Did bernie read a book or was his campaign an entryst façade and he can now show more powerlevel?

Bernie used "quotes" around succdem countries?

yeah.

Shit, I need to watch this debate.
Is there a video of it?

there are dozens of mirrors on yt, don't know if they'll be taken down or not.
It was pretty shit tbh, I don't recomend it.

the part that I mentioned is here.
youtu.be/EuhOSOYHBjg?t=8m

Huh. He might not have dumped Rosa in the Landswehr canal after all.

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Bernie got dicked.

Porky math is always hilarious. Too bad it probably connected to the common people

Cruz didn't do that math, he pulled it from an independent review of the plan.

both are shitheads go back to reddit

didn't watch it. not really that attached to succdems. did he do good?

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Who won and why?

Sanders was not prepared tbh.

The ACA is shit because it panders to private insurance companies, though.

Did Cruz actually win?

I wouldn't have pegged him as a guy who wins debates.

Yes, through the government.

He is a Harvard debate champion.

Through the government mandating people to buy private insurance. The insurance was already shit to begin with. An actual public option might have problems with government bureaucracy, but it would not combine the forces of corporate bureaucracy and government bureaucracy the way the current ACA does.

There was already a problem, and to its credit the ACA actually did manage to help solve parts of it (rising rates slowed under the ACA, more people are insured, etc.). But the underlying problems of the ACA itself have nothing to do with the fact that it's a government thing. That's like trying to use the current student loan problem (government loans to attend private schools) to discredit public universities - which used to be worth more and much cheaper.

I agree with you, but saying that rates increased more under Bush than they did under Obama is not an argument because rates still increased. When Bernie talks about universal healthcare, it sounds like he means exclusively contract one of these very same insurance companies to provide insurance on behalf of the government, which is an awful idea.

Hadn't Bernie already released a tax plan to pay for it we he ran for president?

While I support socialized medicine, nationalization of industries is no feat towards socialism itself.

Primarily taxes the working class, unfortunately. We know how these go, Porky always finds a way out.

If that's indeed what he's saying, then I agree.

Nice trips

I think the biggest issue with the ACA is it is a Government mandate involving Private Insurance companies. Had the public option been secured, as originally intended, things would be a lot different now.

Objectively though the ACA isn't all that terrible. Got me cured of a crippling disease I had, a $75,000 treatment cost me $15. And before I was on the ACA I was on a pretty good private plan under my parents that refused to cover my medication.

Yes it is. It is good for a handful of people but for average working class people like myself it is overpriced unusuable insurance.

If I get sick/injured I'm just going to the emergency room and forgetting the bill. Anything else is financial suicide.

Porkies where I live end up paying (Canada).

Great. This is going to be an amazing debate.

I'm all for gay space dolphin communism.

Really? Wow, that hasn't at all been my experience with it, and I am working class and barely living above the poverty limit at this time.

Maybe it depends on which state you live in and what income bracket you fall into. BTW I'm not at all arguing in favor of it, ultimately I think medicine as a whole should be socialized, but was just stating that it has helped me tremendously.

It happen already.

Dead.

Oh no I missed it.

What a shame. :^)

Whhhhhyyy? If he had instead switched the debate to arguing on the basis of a single payer system it would of worked out much better for him

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Have the Republicans argued why the US can't just copy Finland or Australia or Singapore?

haha… imagine if that happened somewhere

I somehow doubt it was "independent". Everything I've found links to thinktank garbage.

I didn't get to see the debate, but I saw a clip where Bernie completely fucked up with a hair salon owner. Goddamn. How bad was this thing?

Canada deserves a nuclear holocaust too

Bernie got exposed. El Rato came prepared with statistics and references, Bernie came with appeals to emotion and pandering to the crowd.

I said porky math not Cruz math