What's the consensus here on South Africa?

I'd challenge you to discuss south Africa here and see who knows more. You're being outright dishonest. I gave very objective facts as to the state of the nation.
Can you guess why the media might not want to cover any of this?

No I meant everything I personally know about South Africa consists of memes

I know, but why would some random Shlomo have any responsibility for whatever causes capitalist Jews champion or fund?

Turns out racism is bad, who knew

Your two sentiments seem contradictory. Do you think that individuals of the same racial group share responsibility or not? If the former, punishing poor whites for Apartheid is justifiable, if the latter, blaming Jews as a whole isn't.

I was watching the film "Munich" over again the other day and the scene where sort of "French Godfather" gives his speech about having fathered children who "dress like factory workers, do no manual labour, spout pompous bullshit about Algerians but live neither Algerians nor French nor nothing living.."
Another great scene is when the Palestinians are in the "Safe House" in Cyprus with the PLO and they think the Mossad are Red Army faction. the PLO group leader confronts Avner (the main Mossad assassin) and says: "you think you care about your international revolution, but we don't. Home is everything."
Be very waring of falling in love with ideology rather than looking at how it impacts the actual people living under what you promote.

This is 100% factual and subject to no comfirmation bias btw

This is a very deep and profound post, really made me rethink thousands of pages ive read

You haven't given a single objective fact in this thread. You've attributed causes to everything since your first post. You're high on pure ideology.

See the Jewish virtual encyclopedia.

The what?

Those have to do with ideology? You get confronted with a situation you know is indefensible, and try to mock. I know you're probably used to retards who have never experienced live outside the Us and don't know their facts.
I do.

JVE. An online encyclopedia written by Jews of Jewish history. And these stats were from ~2009. It's surely much higher now.

Why would I read wuch thing

Israelis are moving to Israel because of the benefits the state offers for them, not because of some new world orde plot

It actually is. Tony Kushner is a pulitzer prize winner ("angels in America") and has taken constant bullshit for his criticism of Israel.

The purest ideology. PURE

Yes national identity is very important to mantain this is because some guy won a price and later on got criticised by jews

They are moving because they CAN and because life is violent and impoverished in SA now. I never suggested a "NWO" plot.
Point being, Jews HAVE this potion based purely on their ethnicity. Boers/Angloes do not.

Your reactionary a anecdotes aren't facts dipshit

You really don't have any decent arguments, do you? Not a single person here. You can't challenge me on facts, because I know them. Now you are bashing Tony Kushner.
I've seen enough I think, thanks. You..everyone here has a lot to learn.

Maybe then we should abolish religion and ethnicity because it is clearly a spook And only works to divide us

TURNS OUT RACISM IS BAD

I am not challenging you, SA isnt the way it is because of the contradictions of capitalism but because of an deeply triggering and problematic jewish plot, this is what is really happening

What makes you believe White South Africans are more likely to suffer from crime than their Black fellow countrymen?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out faggot

I always post this cause it's never not relevant when the topic comes up: ciml.250x.com/africa/zimbabwe/zimbabwe_statement_comintern_sh_12_12_2012.html
As far as I'm concerned black idpol nationalism is garbage and the black capitalists should get the bullet along with the white capitalists.

If you want me to cry for big capitalist commercial farmers in SA though I'd say fuck off. Small farmers are okay but really all the farms (including black ones) will have to be collectized after the revolution

On the other hand, it's an open "secret" that apartheid south africa got the nuke from israel so maybe not so "hypocritical" as you're saying

Israel also traded with SA (and supported them in other ways)when the world community had sanctioned them etc.

Reagan and Thatcher also supported apartheid SA and im pretty sure there were some Jews in major positions of power both in the ruling class there and in their cabinets.

So by the same logic would you conclude that keeping apartheid alive was a Jewish plot? I think it's obvious there Jews and "goys" who were lined up on all the different sides of this issue. Almost like the world is too complex for Holla Forums-tier conspiracies about Jewish conspiracies to make sense.

And don't hit me with that "good goy" shit I hate Zionism and rich American Jews especially

Try a bit harder next time. To get juocy fracture points it will cost you at least a few failed threads, faggot.

Israel traded with SA for one reason: they knew they'd get away with it and be able to play both sides. Within South Africa–particularly the dutch reformed church– you'll find amazingly that many are ardent Zionists and don't get the wool was pulled over their eyes.
>keeping apartheid alive was a Jewish plot?
Look at the early 1900s. you have 2 Jewish movements, Zionism and Communism which seem diametrically opposed. Who were the biggest outsider funders of the Soviet Revolution? Kohen and Loeb the biggest bankers on wallstreet.
If you read the biographies of Lazar Kagonavich (Stalin henchman in the Ukraine, admitted to supervising over 20 million murders) and Nahum Goldman, you'll find one thing in common– from an early age, both had it drilled into them "you must always do what is good for the Jews." That's a direct quote.

Jesus fucking christ I'd love to see you spend a few years in a south african prison. Even go out to a kraal or township and see how'd you do. The only question would be if you'd die of the AIDs from being raped first or beaten to death first.

Israel was also trading info with SA intelligence, which was found when the FEDs raided the ADL offices in San Francisco and LA in the 90s.
They used them as patsies and the Boers weren't cunning/devious enough to see what was coming.

Do they not teach how to make arguments in South Africa?

link/source? I'm curious about this one
would be pretty neat if a porky got class concious

That was an argument I was responding to? You do remember the Zim inflation crisis, The 100 trillion dollar bills, people eating rats, then after all the commie bullshit have to beg?Whitey to alleviate the famine?

I'll find it for you if you'd like, I don't recall the book it came out of off the top of my head, but I can promise you it's true. Give me a second.

"My last article documented the funding of the March 1917 Revolution in Russia.[1] The primary financier of the Russian revolutionary movement 1905–1917 was Jacob Schiff, of Kuhn Loeb and Co., New York. In particular Schiff had provided the money for the distribution of revolutionary propaganda among Russians prisoners-of-war in Japan in 1905 by the American journalist George Kennan who, more than any other individual, was responsible for turning American public and official opinion against Czarist Russia."
(the footnote is there if you don't trust the article)
counter-currents.com/2013/10/wall-street-and-the-november-1917-bolshevik-revolution/

Addendum- I don't care about the losers on here who know nothing about this and are just looking to post bullshit.
My primary goal is to serve as a warning from someone who grew up and ardently believed this sort of thing, and then very quickly (as has been true in every other communist movement) it turns into a giant clusterfuck and everyone suffers save for a very small party elite at the top.
The corruption in South Africa (the last ANC update is now pushing for going full communist, land reclamation, the entire Zim program that landed them with trillion dollar bill inflation and food riots).
I don't think most here fully understand the ideology you seem to support since you've never seen it up close and what it produces. The same could be said for Venezuela and what's going on right now.

You can't be fucking serious.

Strawmans aren't arguments

He's either massively cucked or a troll or both

Part of me think's he's acting retarded on purpose.

So, you didn't actually come here to debate you just came here to whine and spread propaganda like most right-wingers. No big surprises here.

I just don't believe this, I don't believe you. All right-wingers have stories about how they were once huge left-wingers and card-carrying commies and you ask them about it and then suddenly their time as a "left-winger" dwindles down to the fact that they supported gay marriage once and maybe had liberal ideas about race when they were young.

You once ardently believed in communism and yet you believe Venezuela is socialist? Something tells me your either lying and/or you've never read Marx or any communist literature extensively.

Even most "communists" who support Venezuela readily admit its not socialist.

I grew up on Mars.

Let me tell you, what you astronomers, geologists and physicists think about Mars is wrong, because I lived there and I know everything about the planet and the social system I lived under, absolutely everything. I mean you can ask me how it's possible I acquired vast knowledge about something that takes millions of people to really know, but that's just your stupid brain asking obvious questions about things of minor importance like how an average guy who hasn't even laid out the basics can some how know the inner dynamics of a vast array of political and economic problems a society faces and know how each one is effecting my society. Through osmosis I have gained all the knowledge needed to tell you my society sucks and it's because we tried true blue dyed in the wool socialism for six point three seconds on the apres mundi of July 4th 12567.

Thanks for studying all that theory it really wasn't necessary though. You could have just asked us Martians and how it caused a depression of vast amounts after only 6 seconds of operation. I work at an electric car way station by the way.

Toppest of the keks

Pretty huge non-argument. Its pretty clear you didn't even read my link which was highly critical of the Zimbabwean government. Even so, the argument that terrible shit happened in one place isn't much of an argument. It maybe ruled by a party that's officially """socialist"" but its a capitalist country just like any other just mismanaged.

Capitalist apologists need to actually make up their minds on things. They can't have it both ways: hating on Zimbabwe while claiming China's recent success as their own.With the case of Venezuela its led by a socialist party that isn't even Marxist but really is a social democratic nationalist party. By the same logic, France under Hollande apparently became socialist while he was in power and now will likely go back to being a case of capitalism when Le Pen or the other conservative candidate likely gets it. It's all very tiresome, there's nothing to learn from right-wingers who don't read books and who do nothing but spout memes and talking points.

Here's a good documentary on the subject.

Explain the strawman concept to me as you understand it? yo udon't agree there are parallels–direct parallels via Malema and the EFF- to Zanu-PDF under Mugabe? That's extensively documented, look it up if you wish.

It's a "Strawman" to conclude that once the White farmers are expelled, SA will fall into the same pit as Zim? I really expected some sort of better academic experience.

I've yet to encounter anyone who knows the subject enough to debate. not even marxist concepts, just bland ad hominems. I thought there would be a higher intellectual quality here. Thus far I've been mistaken.

Completely different in so many ways. The average Autism Level is Zimbabwe is around 65. That's not just Rushton, that's an accepted fact. I'd be happy to go through all the other failures in African Marxism with you if you 'd like.
Also, I'm not a pure capitalist. I did make decent money shorting the Rand on Forex simply because I saw something someone people won't acknowledge since it's not PC– SA now has a higher credit rating than Turkey, and S&P/Moodys haven't downgraded them to junk yet since it would be poor optics. German pension funds still putting SA government bonds and pretending the society isn't collapsing.
The ideal system, in my opinion, is something like Sweden in the 1980s. The caveat is that ones needs a homogenous, high Autism Level population.
The Chinese/Sweden analogy isn't perfect and to even call China any sort of communist state at this point is a joke ("to get rich is glorious!" Deng Xiaoping.
If I sound didactic, it's because I was doing my Phd (in the US) until I switched to law after becoming disgusted by things like the above-cited fact- WHY would Jewish capitalists be funding Jewish communists in Russia?
If any of you are in Uni, I'd dare you to ask that question and see how much longer you are in the Uni. I've studied this extensively, in depth, and at the end of my study one thing has always proved to be the case: Communist or Capitalist, Jews (~97%) are hypocrites to a degree that staggers the goyish imagination.
You do know that when the Bolsheviks came to power and all the Russians were weeded out of universities, lost jobs, and ended up in gluags, Jews were excluded from all of this on the premise that it didn't apply to them since they were a "historically marginalized group."
See Solzhenitsyn's"Gulag Archipelago" or even better "200 years together." The book has never been formally translated into English (despite the fact that he was a nobel laureate) since he dared to point out that Jews (made up less than 1/2 a percent of the population, 70% of the NKVD) were hugely overrepresented in the Bolshevik Revolution and benefited the most. Churchill wrote a famous article on this, I'd be happy to link it to you.
you can hate me, wear at me, I don't care. I'm a former Phd student who ultimately went into Law simply because I couldn't bear the hypocrisy.

*Intelligencee Quotientt. How cute to deny the reality of Autism Level differences in race.

Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People

by Winston Churchill

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.
The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing."
library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

I never had access to this sort of information as a UG or Master's student. Never knew any of this existed. I realize most of you are trying to be edgy, but in between there may be a few in Unis right now who will look on this information and see the world in a different way.

Another gem from the Churchill article. IF you are a uni student in any relevant field, bring this to your professor and see what he/she thinks of it. They'd prefer you'd have brought a case of live hand grenades to class:
International Jews

"In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire. "

You can despise me all, you want, but I've spent long enough in academia I think I'm able to at least point out the utter hypocrisy you'll experience, especially in the Ivys. Princeton is somewhat (at least in the grad programs) not as bad but it's getting there.

into the trash it goes

It is a great example of how anuddah shoah is okay. It is in the late stages there. Something similar is envisioned and hoped for in the rest of the west. Whites can't have pro White groups even ones purely based on studying history. Every other group can and even the legitimately terrorist and plainly violent groups like la raza are given excuses or talk of them is hushed up.

Because many forms of crime are racially motivated. There is a difference between having your phone and wallet stolen, and being set on fire and burned alive. Necklacing is a recent tradition, but it's going strong. The South African goverment works swiftly to remove videos of whots being burned alive and tortured to deaht from the internett.

Based word filter outs another polcuck

citations needed

Related text on "Cultural Marxism", adresses the claim that Marxism is Jewish.

You just ignore the posts that do, or just respond to the one thing that triggers you.

You can't even format a paragraph right and I'm supposed to believe that you're a member of the superior race?

I'm open to debate. Please, show me one in this thread that has referenced a single book, given a concrete fact, or shown any understanding of Marxism in Africa. I offered to debate the earlier poster re: South Africa and he demurred.
If you showed this to any outside observer, do you honestly think anyone has provided more concrete facts and sources in this thread than I have?
Actually, every study shows that Southeast Asians are on the top of the pecking order re: Autism Level. Also, you continue the trend. Attacking my formatting when I'm in my office trying to have a bit of interesting discussion and see what the American far left is actually like?

Please, throw facts at me, arguments, links, all you have. I'd like nothing better than to be legitimately convinced that Racial Intelligencee Quoitentt stats aren't real. My life experience has taught me otherwise.
Based on my LSAT results (probably last reliable barometer of such a thing in the West), my LSAT score puts me in the low 140s. I don't say that as a braggart, but as a simply fact.
I'll repeat, show me one decent argument in this thread I've not answered. Are you honestly going to contend anywhere in here thus far has the same mastery of facts and concepts that I do? When asked to source my facts, I have.
You can call me a "Nazi," I don't give a shit. I did make about 4-5 posts on Holla Forums the same day I first posted here, and I was banned for "supporting Jews" in a very bizarre series of events.
I will say, I respect this board a lot more (the little I've seen of it) in that you don't automatically block people who might have views that differ from your own.
Racial differences in Intelligence Quotientt are beyond debate. It's silly even to assert any contrary belief. Until introduced to it by the early Dutch settlers, the Zulus, Xhosas and other tribes (who were not the original inhabitants btw, the Bushmen were, whom they slaughtered) had invented neither the wheel nor the alphabet.
Haiti has been a democratic black republic since 1813. What do they have to show for it? Liberia, the Us-sponsored colony of freed alves on the West Coast of Africa? As soon as they landed, they began enslaving the natives and trying to set up plantation systems with themselves as masters. This went on until the late 1970s. Actual slavery.
I may see smug to certain people, that's fine. I genuinely thought the american LEft was more intelligent than the right and would have genuine arguments and be able to cite books, people, articles, stats, as I have throughout the thread.
Can you honestly assert anyone in this thread thus far has risen to that level of discourse? your main bone of contention is to attack my spacing, when I'm typing these replies out in between meetings and dealings with clients.

also, it's fucking bizarre to me that you are so fuckign threatened by the very idea of Inteligenze Quotents that you literally have a word filter. That's…how can you hope to foster free debate if you want to play silly games?
MAybe I'm the idiot fo rexpecting rational, intelligent discourse in a place that seems deadset on just trying to "shock."
The problem? the "shock" is not quite so shocking, since you could have this very same board right on FB or anyone else and no one– not the media, not the courts, not the site itself would threaten to shut down your views. You are the mainstream, and have been for some time.
Reminds me of an old bumper sticker I used to see on this one car around Williamstown while i was a UG: "Fuck you hippie, you are the system."

Should have stayed part of the netherlands.

South Africa? You know how all that came about? The Boer wars, where Brits went to war to protect the mining interests of families like the Oppenheimers and for Rhodes. For those who don't know, the Boer wars saw the first modern incantation of what would be described as "concentration camps." And they included women and children in them.
If anyone has the time and the interest, I can recommend several good books on the Boer wars. I personally prefer audiobooks since I can listen tt them on my commute, but the selection from audible (which is a total scam designed to rip off old people and the blind and THAT site should be targeted and all their content leaked for free simply because they are price-gouging scum).
At my firm, I bill $550 per hour as a junior partner. You don't need to like me, but I'd suggest that, if you are interested in these topics you have a very good chance to get links and opinions from me without having to pay $550.
I'm not putting myself "above" anyone here, but I am seeking true, informed, rational debate rather than ad hominems. When Ihave openings in between clients, at least until I get sick of this place or I get banned, I'm willing to share my experience and how my views evolved as I saw the reality of the promised "rainbow nation" turn into unimaginable corruption that has left EVERYONE worse off save for a few hundred of Zuma's top ANC cronies.
consider this for a second– the SA government has been under investigation for something called STATE CAPTURE (!!!). They are so far up to their elbows in corruption with the Gupta family, that Zuma ( a man with a 4th grade education and a forme goat herd) shameless flaunts his wealth stolen from the tax-payers and used it to build himself his own little opulent village called "Nkandla."
If you live in a normal, WEstern,functioning nation you simply will not believe it. At one point, they took the pres on a tour and tried to convince them that his swimming pool was, in fact a "fire pool" and was only there to use for "putting out fires."
I'm not making any of this up friends, it's all going on. Highly suggest you spend a few days scouring the SA media (what little of it is still left after the crackdown where numerous journalists and bloggers were jailed for taking positions contrary to the ANC state propaganda).
We in South Africa NEVER imagined in could ever turn out this way. It has.

Have you thought of not sperging out? Maybe someone would take you seriously.

Intelligence is fluid, it is affected by different things, poverty and segregation can reduce the lQ coeficient

Sankara proved the problem is an economic one, not a racial one, to the point that he was taken out by imperialists

I'm open for debate on any aspect of Marxism (theory or practice), geopolitics, whatever you'd like to discuss. The only "ground rules" I'd expect is that both of stay civil. I'm genuinely interested in learning what is motivating the american Left now since I'm now a US citizen, and my soon-to-be wife will be an American.
My job takes me to Europe often, but I'm trying to get a genuine grip as to whether the majority here are just LARPers or if yo have legit grievances.
For example, one VERY legit grievance is the lack of a state health care system, which I believe is necessary to function in the modern world. Do you know the new epidemic in the Us that the media is again covering up? White , male suicide rates are skyrocketing to the point where it now has recently surpassed cancer int erms of the number it kills. And this is confined strictly to White men.Black sucie rates hare going down and morality rates going down:
theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/07/suicide-rates-rise-butte-montana-princeton-study

anuddah shoah!!

See, again, ad hominem. No one has challenged any argument on anything I've made. user, a big part of my job consists in writing briefs. Were I not capable of communicating information sharply and effectively (granted, my executive assistant does things like "format" for me" I would not have the job that I do.
I'm genuinely here for fun and to try to hear different, hopefully interesting ideas. My self-woth is not wrapped up in what people think of posts, esp. those in which I'm certain I am correct since..well, I've lived it.

Perhaps, to a very minor extent. But you can see studies done on SAT scores, where black students from wealthy families literally did worse on average than White students who came from poverty.
So what's the solution here? Instead of throwing these woefully unprepared minority students into Unis for which they are not prepared. (I used ot have to tutor some of these sorts while obtaining MA at Yale…it's a sad situation.
Would it really be that bad to send these people on the lower end of the spectrum to trade schools where the could make a fairly good living, and have a family?
The Black academic I respect above all others was a man named Tony Martin, who dared to take on the Jewish establishment at Wellsley and was hounded from pillar to post simply for using a reading from the book "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" as a reading for his course. The organized, systematic, and amazingly abusive way in which Organized Jewry sought to get this man sacked was disgraceful.
RIP Dr. Tony Martin. highly, highly recommend this video as well as his book "Despatches From the Wellesley Battlefront" which goes into extreme detail:

youtube.com/watch?v=Uu0vQrZbhQo

Mandela is a neoliberal shill, anyone who has any idea what they're talking about knows that. Land reform doesn't do shit under a Capitalist system either.

Epigenetics, motherfucker.

I haven't gone through your walls of text yet.

So let me see if i understand this, black people with lower lQ are more wealthy than white people with higher lQ?

So not only is lQ affected by the material conditions, but it is also completly fucking irrelevant

Congrats on outing yourself as a poltard

Niggers are bad news, I don't get why leftypol tries so hard to find ways around this fact. I agree with you guys on a lot on economics but with race and society your wilfully shooting yourself in the foot

here.

Niggers are bad news because you peddled the black community full of crack when they had a civil rights movement going. Another reason the EU/PRC/Russia/ME/S.America are going to fucking butcher you in the next decade.

This isn't even turd position, it's outright American white supremacy autism.

It's not ad hominem, because I'm not trying to discredit the author in order to win an argument. I'm not actually trying to argue against you. I'm simply observing that your posts have very high incidence of sperging out. Want examples?
muh anecdotes
muh huge brain btw
muh huge brain btw
muh freespeechh word filters trigger me waaah board culture is bad and against freespecchhh
As is evident from all these leftist societies in the west

With this much sperging, I don't even care to go into the actual content of your posts. Funny how a thread about ZA regressed into muh niggers in no time. If you want to argue biology there is a thread about race realism in the catalogue.

"AD HOMINEM"- From the Latin, directly translated as "to/directed at the man." If you don't know Latin, consult the OED and get etymology. There is no necessity within the use of the wordword (as defined by OED) to "discredit," although obviously that is indeed your intention whether you admit it or not. Not only do people no longer learn Latin, they no longer even consult the OED.
Not an anecdote, it's a fact. Check the MENSA site. The LSAT is the only standardized exam recognized in the West as a barometer of *Eye-Quu+ since one cannot study for it.
This self-evident. No one else in the entire thread has been able to cite even a single book or study relevant to anything. I have.

This board is welcome to do as it wishes, but at day's end all it looks like is that you know you cannot face genuine argument on this issue, and thus "shut it down." Shutting people down doesn't sit well with the independent thinkers, of whom there are still some left in the West, even if they keep their heads down now for fear of social reprisal.
Other than Hungary, pease name for me a society in the West that is not left wing. As someone who doesn't even fully support Trump and has a relatively unbiased attitude, I've never seen anything like it.

You've literally spend an entire thread engaging in ad hominems, failed to counter a single point I've made with any sort of statistic, book, ideology, etc.. I'm going to venture a guess because you simply don't KNOW ANY.
HEre's an idea- READ MORE, POST LESS. Take in more information, expel less. You can make your little snarky remarks, but show this thread to…an apolitical English speaker, let's imagine a man from China. You are delusional if you think there is any argument to be made that I'd not the most informed person in thread.
Want to bitch about my spacing? I've admitted this is the first thread ever posted on this board. I did asking a question on the other Holla Forums and was banned for "supporting Jews."

tl;dr THIS is why you are losing the argument in US society. You don't have any (other than ad hominems) and don't know your facts. If any of the students in my section I was taching during my grad student time had been this woefully uninformed on a class (let alone a subject, such as this, you are claiming to be passionate about since it's not dutiful) they'd have been given the lowest possible grade for the section, Ivy league or not.

tl;dr- I an be accused of a lot of things. But whenever I encounter someone more experienced than I at ANYTHING, I tend to pay attention. Challenge and argue with? Certainly. One long barrage of ad hominems? It may get you cheers from your fellow echo chamber denizens, but to random people from the world (e.g., me) it just looks fucking infantile and pathetic.

Giving detailed arguments–which include direct references to authors, sources (with those important passages even cited) is now "sperging?"
Again, you are trying to look trendy in front of your echo chamber. In the real world, people would agree this is exactly what it seems to be– Someone who knows ALOT MORE than anyone else in the thread thus far literally schooling you and making you look foolish.
You can start with the "Nazi/Fascist" bullshit, which is what lost you the election last time. Had any sort of right wing group gone a rampage like ANTIFA did in Berkley last week over a literal nobody, there would e 30 years sentences all around.
ANTIFA is going to end very quickly when Sessions is confirmed and these people try to survive in the US state prison. They will not.
While I have to say, this board (at least now) seems far more amenable to letting people at least share opinions without banning them to quote Lincoln: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can never hope to fool all of this people all of the time."
Lincoln made the statement as part of a larger speech in favor of honesty in government. If this board is indeed a new thing getting started up, you can decide which way you want to go. The ides of going the way of how apparently Holla Forums seems to operate (i.e. "you are not frothing t he mouth with your hatred of Jews, you are banned"
Of course, I could jump on Tor or a VPN and get round it if I want, but it's the principle. The American, Chomskyite Left (what little remained of it) Is in serious trouble. Rather than showing him support, he has been ostracized by the same groups who, at least during my Uni years in the UD we would have tried ardently to get as a speaker someone like Chomsky. These days, that isn't even allowed.

Fucking sad to be honest.

user please adress this, id there are blacks with lower lQ eaening more money and being more productive than whites with higher lQ, how can you claim it is in any way valid?

No one is claiming it's a perfect correlation (See book "The Belle Curvve."). Can you find a few outliers in black populations with high Intellect Quotiennts? Of course you can, that's not the point. But if you look at the trends, the distributions, it's just how it turns out.
And I know, you will shriek "Nazi" at me, but if I were a "nazi," why would I be openly admitting that South Eastern Asians consistently have the highest avg intell quotient in any modern story ever studied using this metric?
It's the same as…have you ever looked a a group of olympic sprinters from any Olympics in the past ~60 years? The medal winners will all be black, without exception. Now, why is that? Do you expect me to sit here and tell you it's because of "discrimination" and "institutionalized racism" against whites within the sport?" Obviously it's not– it's genetic. You can also check the winners of every major marathon for last ~25 years. Every one will be an Ethiopian, rarely a Somalian. It's not "institutionalized racism." They simply have that genetic predisposition.
Things like this are what turned me away from the Left (at least the far left) as you begin to notice. It's not a perfect analogy, but even look at breeds of dogs. Yes, they are the same species and yes they can mate. But would you race a bulldog against a greyhound and then, when the bulldog lost, sit and scream at the bulldog or else blame the "systematic, structural inequality of the dog racing tracks?"
Much of my Master's degree involved looking into black society and family in the US now as compared to how it existed in ~1920s. There has been a huge disintegration of the black family unit, the vast majority of blacks now raised by their mothers and dependent on the state. If you look into it, you'll find this was not the case in the US in the 1920s and even during the Great Depression.
So what happened? It was decided by "certain groups" (I'll note here the the NAACP was founded by and the first 3-4 presidents were Jews after they'd played literally ZERO role in abolition during the time that other groups in the West were having a moral awakening on this issue. See the work of the late Dr. Tony Martin.
That black societies that were then functioning relatively well, especially in the Northeastern US (see what Harlem was like in the 20s– it had a vibrant community in music, people knew and trusted each other and poverty levels were nowhere near to what they are today, despite the absence of any entitlement system).
If you've seen the Putnam study out of Harvard from past few years, all of his conclusions over decades bear this out again and again. "Multi-culturalism" has been destructive for both white and black in middle to lower income US societies. You get lower levels of trust, lower levels ofcummunity participation, and ultimately far lower levels of happiness. One of the most interesting parts of the Putnam study was that this holds true even for unique ethnic groups living in these "diverse" communities. Even among their fellow in-group members trust goes down and thus so does social interaction and overall life satisfaction follows suit.
This study should never have even been necessary since this is elementary evolutionary psychology. Anyway, I realize I've not portrayed the point in a perfectly organized manner here so let me try to summarize. As an example, look at black incarcerations under that "hated enemy" of diversity and arch-capitalist Herbert Hoover, who believe in "locking then them and throwing away the key," vs. someone like Bill Clinton who claimed to "feel the pain" of every black criminal just as Obama did. The incarceration rates for black males esp. have skyrocketed in US. Why is this?
When you destroy communities, esp black communities who used to have their own..churches, stores, schools, strong family units, etc… by seeking to "integrate" you do NO ONE any favors and just reap more crime and misery as you increase the degree of alienation by uprooting formerly homogenous black societies. This is where ei find myself in significant agreement with Louis Farakkan and before him Malcom X and many issues. They rightly had the gumption to point out that their own communities had been broken up and then sucked dry by largely Jewish interests in the name of exploitation, economic and otherwise.
I'm pressed for time, I know that wasn't the most cogent/eloquent presentation of these ideas, but please (if you are so inclined) follow up on all I've said and see you can object to any point I've point. The sources are all there and will bear out if you search.

(the less intellectually inclined will say I've written a "wall of text" and refuse to read it, but I'd encourage you to do so. They are essentially the summarized conclusions of years or work on a thesis I was in the process of writing on the topic before I was very curtly informed that as a White man, I had not right to be able to draw such conclusions. At which point, I sad to hell with the entire goddamned thing and moved onto law school).

In the rare instance that anyone's interest was piqued by try analysis, I'd strong suggest listening to the late Dr. Tony Martin of Wellesley College. Perhaps the most brilliant and brave black academic the US hasher seen.
He was absolutely attacked by the Jewish community, most notably by flunkies like Henry Louis Gates. What was his crime? He had the temerity to point out such inconvenient facts as over half of the slaves in Brazil, for instance, were owned by Jews. He's an arming man and was a great loss to academia. I recommend all his work, but this speech in particular very strongly:

youtube.com/watch?v=Uu0vQrZbhQo

i've never seen someone so pretentious that they indent their posts on an imageboard

(I realize the abundance of spelling mistakes above, I'm working on something for my job, take it or leave it.)

(Again, ad hominem. As I've noted, I've never posted on an image board before. I'm happy to have the content of what I've said attacked and argued against, but to look for anomalies in formatting just suggests you can't argue against anything I've said).

Are you implying lQ is not in any way an exact way to measure social and economic development?

Dont see why anyone should take it seriously then

If you're new to imageboards, then perhaps you'd do well to understand that you're not entitled to a debate or to serious consideration here.

You're on our turf, bitch.

>tfw to intelligent to make a coherent post

Wow, another great argument. "I was almost forced to address the intellectual content contained within your argument, but now by claiming "seniority" on on a fringe image board, since I can't respond to you arguments (developed from studying this topic at a graduate level), you can't address the people here as equals."
doesn't sound very egalitarian or communist/socialist to me….

* too
translation- "I'm just here to LARP, try to make rude comments and piss away time. I never really expected anyone to show up here who has studied these issues in-depth and actually climbed the ladder of academia. Since I can't respond to any of the points and know nothing about any of the various nations, studies, scholars mentioned, I'll poke fun at the person who DOES understand these these, hoping my ignorance will pass of for a type of superiority."

Pretty much spot on?

I still can't get over this one, you genuinely gave me a good laugh. So you're implying that the REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS are only reserved for those who piss away their lives here, rather than those who have actually studied these topics as a grad student and taught sections at an Ivy League Uni?
Ah, NOW I get it. I beg your pardon. I suppose if I were to spend a year here LARPing about "the international revolution," only THEN I'd be allowed into "muh secret club" and meet the REAL intellectuals hidden in midst, correct?

I'll leave with this. Since I now realize apparently no one even know the Harvard Putnam study I've been referring to, here it is for any lurking who might be interested:

"IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam – famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement – has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings."

archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

user please adress this

If lQ is not exact why should we use it a a base to decide and stablish social and economic hierarchy?

Such an importamt issue cannot be left under the scope of something as unreliqble as lQ tests

You don't understand the concept of "The Bell Curve" my friend. As a society, the correlation between mean Intel Quoitent and GDP is not perfect but certainly more than enough to be statistically significant.
This has been studied (quietly, of course) and commented on for decades. Why isn't it more widely known? Take the case of Dr. Watson, the molecular biologist who along with Crick discovered the double-helix structure of DNA.
The man had the very institute named after him taken away and was driven to near penury to the point he was forced to auction off his Nobel Prize (which was purchased and then returned to him by a high-minded donor).
What was his great crime? He suggested that there is no solid reason to believe that human beings who evolved completely separately over tens of thousands of years would,should then be assumed to be completely equal in every respect, including Itelligience Quotientt. He was fired. A nobel laureate and arguably the most important biologist alive.
That incident, I have to say, was one of my real wake-up calls in regard to my own future career path. That one could have his career and livelihood ruined for expressing an opinion on human development– and a Nobel Laureate no less– was deeply frightening. It should be frightening to you too. Was living in London at the time and watched how the media systematically began to "deconstruct" his career, going so far as to claim that he played only a minor role in unraveling the DNA double-Helix and had essentially "bullied" Crick into letting him take co-credit.

I never said it should. But one has to be blind not to be able to recognize the reality of these things. Let's take the case of Haiti, which has essentially a sub-saharan African Intelligencee Quotientt. Would anyone like to venture a guess as to why Haiti is as it is?
If you truly have an interest, I'd suggest the book on this by the Englishman Hesketh Pritchard, who visited the only truly "all-black republic" in the early 20th century to observe it and try to make sense of what was going on. It's a very enlightening read from an era before "PC" was even a term.
I'm not quite sure what the aim of your question is. It's absolutely undeniable that there is a very, very strong (well over the level of being statistically significant) between Intelligence Quotientt and mean GDP.
No society is not based strictly on that hierarchy. If it were, neither Bush nor Obama would have ever become a US president. But to pretend it plays no role? If you are genuinely curious, I'll show you graphs illustrating all that I say have been studied and proven true.
What other explanation would you give for the misery and poverty in places like Liberia and Haiti? They haven't had "the White man" interfering in their affairs for centuries. Unless it was the Us Marines in the earlier par tof the 20th century, who came in and built them a modern road system, RR infrastructure, telephone, power plants, hospitals along with training medical staff, you name it.
Let's say tomm, you heard there were 2 earthquakes– one in Haiti and one in Japan, both equally devastating. Who do you think would recover more quickly and why?

Here's a graph to do with this subject. If you'd like to pursue your study further, source listed at bottom. Again, no one is going to claim an absolutely perfect correlation but enough to be statistically significant? Without question.

Here's another useful illustration of this. If you'd like source of data, merely ask.

Which things?

Haiti had to pay quite an important sum of money to france until recent years, obviously Haiti is the way it is because of imperialism

No user, I fail to see such thing, it seems like you are trying to pass an agenda

If whites have higher lQ then how come some live in poverty while some blacks with lower lQ dont?

There is no statistical value here, either lQ is valid as a method or not, and it seems like it isnt

if you have the source why aren't you posting it with the graph? surely you must understand that an unsourced graph does not mean anything.

also funny to see another east-asian supremacist here. explain east asian societies falling behind the west.

tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/12/why-lefties-make-less/383635/

Honestly Holla Forums, every time we want to have a semi-intelligent conversation about a developed country you come in spamming the Bell Curve and shouting about niggers while posting artifact riddled infographs about muh race and muh Autism Level. Seriously, why don't you just fucking kill yourself and stop acting like some persecuted minority.

Fun fact: Richard Lynn made up the data for 101 out of 185 countries in Autism Level and the Wealth of the Nations (I presume this to be his data).

The data is most likely taken from Richard Lynn, who did garbage work. Ignore Holla Forums, and hopefully they'll go away. Seriously, just don't respond to them except to tell them to fuck off.

Dude, we just had a thread about this. It's still in the catalog. Please use the catalog before derailing threads with race bullshit. A lot of information was posted, including tons of papers by geneticist and psychologist.

If you actually care about being a quality poster, you should spend the rest of the night looking over that (and not bumping the thread before reading it ).

Friend, may I ask your station in life? Not details, I'm not trying to Doxx you. You genuinely believe that testing for intelligencee is "Fascist?" you are aware that the nation where performance on an exam that essentially decides your entire future is China, correct?

In china" there is no "Affirmative Action." A bit OT here but an interesting issue– in the Chinese city of Guangzhou there was a small area known as "Little Africa" where Chinese would sell their knock-off goods to enterprising black Africans who made the journey for them to return and then sell at home at a quite substantial mark-up.
I'm going to guess few here speak Chinese, but you can probably guess what eventually happened. I think about time I spent in China and it genuinely makes me laugh to hear people here talking about "White muh privilege." To put it mildly, the Chinese do not put up with such nonsense and once such sentiments began developing, much of the trade in that city was simply shut down and the Africans required to leave.
The website "china smack" used to provide intricate details on stories of what was going on and give the unedited translations of comments. If you think American comment sections are "racist.." You should have been reading "Chinasmack" a few years ago before the government made them crack down since they feared it was bad for their image:
chinasmack.com/protest-following-foreigners-sudden-death-in-police-custody

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Why are you posting this, you are the one trying to segregate people, not me, what is happening in china is because of people like you

This is certifiably insane user. Sure, then why have the MCAT or the LSAT? Intelligence exams have no inherent value after all. But if you were ever in a terrible car accident and needed emergency brain surgery, would you want someone operating on your who had scored poorly on the MCAT?

Me? I'm a Cis White male, I'm the devil remember ? MY White muh privilege? The point was to illustrate that if any Soros-funded rioters tried to start riots of "Chinese muh privilege, they'd be beaten to a pulp in a "communist" society I'm well aware of the actual economic system in China, but at least one user has already referred to it in this thread).

About South Africa? Sorry, I didn't see it. I didn't steer the conversation in this direction, in just ended up that way.

Autism the thread

Ok now try again but try to overcome your mental retardatio

We are no talking about MCAT we are talking about lQ

No need to move goalpost if you trust your initial argument right?

Can you point out where I said with regard to Dr. Watson?

where have I used the term "nigger?"

That's a mature and effective argument, but good to know how you feel about others who interpret data differently. Can you do anything other than ad hominems?

Eish…you know, I looked over this board for a bit, and I thought the people on Holla Forums were the trash. Which in a sense they are, especially with regard to shutting down anyone who disagrees with anything (they banned me after 2 posts).

you make wild, incorrect assertions without ever even bothering to check the data.

the idea of a mean racial inteligencee quotent is a fact. The opposition to it is also proof that in the West, the new religion (and I don't use that term lightly) is a very strange brew of Frankfurt school multiculturalism.
the modern "Left" is in a condition I could never have previously imagined. They way you know that this bizarre form of egalitarianism is the new religion of the West is the way people have a sudden attack of piety when these things are questions. If I were here speculating about…transubstantiation or the idea of 3 persons in one god, I'd either be ignored or laughed at. But question the concept of "equality" and it's immediately "kill yourself."

You'll also notice that more and more, the Left is using the language of the Inquisition. I was floored watching confirmation hearings last week when some nominee was asked if he DENIED climate change. DENIED.
You cannot…in the Western Tradition, the very word DENY carries with it religious overtones, which they must realize. We're seeing a new religion imposed on the West before out eyes. And yet, for all the scorn the Left keeps for Christianity, Islam (undoubtedly the ideology that oppresses women the most of any on earth, save for maybe certain practices in Mauritania).
I no longer recognize what used to be called "the Left" in America from what it was even a few years ago.

Honestly no reason not to ban this retard for being fucking illiterate

eish..would you like to see a graph that links Intelligence Quotient to MCAT scores? The correlation isn't as clear as for the LSAT (where, for example, your LSAT score is accepted by MENSA) but it's roughly the same.
Yes, there is a difference in that once can study for the MCAT. But do you honestly think one could pick a random person out of…The Congo, send him/her to Uni and suddenly you'd have a fully-trained Doctor?
I used to talk to the med students/residents since my law school was attached to a major med school. Of course, they'd never say it in public and only after they know they can trust you…but many, many students resent the hell out of blacks who have been admitted to Med School without the grades, scores, or aptitude to carry the basic workload.
I have a surgeon in my building, and he often comments to me on this. Medical standards in the US are gong down, and AA is a direct result.

Check the med school admissions based on race and performance and you'll be amazed. Essentially, any black who manages to pass the prereqs to take the MCAT gets into Med school. and it's a dangerous thing, and we'll see more and more lives lost due to this.

Obviously, or are you stupid enough to belive every doctor in afirca is white or foreign?

I mean I understand you are not only extremely impotent and as a result incredibly racist, but you honestly cannot be stupid enough to belive some people can develop as doctors without education

Weird because mortality rates have been goingndown in Africa, something doesnt make sense here, perhaps your anecdote is false?

"I'm afraid of his ideas…ban him!" the Frankfurt school based out of Columbia in the 1920s didn't set the agenda of r what later would become multiculturalism? I learn something constantly from you geniuses.
You know, how about this I think I'll "ban" myself. Any neutral observer can see who actually knows these topics and doesn't. You actually had a "gift" (whether you knew it or not) or someone who had taught sections at an Ivy league school while working toward Doctorate, and now gets $550 per billable. I need this shit?
Lol, no thank you. I'd like to say it was fun and I earned something, got new facts, ideas, and saw that there was an "underground" Left movement that was new and exciting and energetic. Sadly, there is not. Au revior. Your "Safe space" has now been returned to you.

Oh and btw, howmcomemyou still have not adressed this ?

Why would I be afraid of you, I manipulate retards like you on a daily basis, the other day I managed to convince a retard like you to accept a lower wage on the basis of race and nationalism

Retards like you belive you are scary, but in reality are nothing but paper tigers

Nice ragequit btw, shame you couldnt point how come blacks with lower lQs are more wealthy than whites with higher lQs

Gr8 b8. The way you use a capital letter for White makes for a wonderfull little touch user, 10/10

You know I actually am interested in the plight of minority Caucasian farmers, but you had to fuck it up with hypocrisy by bringing in the jew shit.
Obviously if you are being oppressed for you skin tone amd have a free citizenship somewhere else youre gonna tale the fucking opportunity for a non-shit life. Blame the Brits for not offering to help their descendants.
Man, someone should remake this thread without the jew tinfoil faggotry

You'd suspect here was some counterargument to be made against this guy (>>1353512), at this board of all places, considering the equality of the races is a key tenant of left wing politics, but I'm sincerely disappointed.

I'll freely admit I belong on the right in regards to politics, but I cannot for the life of me find any reason to believe the above quoted person to be wrong in regards to race realism. I wish it wasn't the case, I really do, I have no joy in knowing that people of African ancestry are statistically more likely to be of a lower intelligence. More unintelligent people in the world does not benefit anyone, regardless of your political standings.

South Africa needs maximum overhaul.

It's not, though? Unless you mean equality under law is the same as physical equality?

Stop bumping this cuck's thread

Why do so many people do this?