Socdem sucks ass and demsoc cock

I've seen enough concession politics and worker integration to capitalism to conclude that social democracy is not and will never be an ally to communists or even an actual leftist ideology. Rather, it's a tactic used by liberals to pacify the working class by getting the workers on their side, offer them concessions to make them live comfortably and thus integrate them into the capitalist system.

Another thing that came to my mind is the much less popular ideology known as democratic socialism, which many people don't bother to differentiate from social democracy. However, there are significant differences between the two.

1: Democratic socialists tend to emphasize the significance of the environment more than social democrats and often call themselves eco-socialists or the green left because of that.

2: while social democracy occupies historically rather popular social democratic parties, democratic socialism is a current found in various left parties. For example, Party of European Socialists being social democratic and Party of the European Left being democratic socialist.

3: they rely heavily on social groups perceived to be disempowered compared to their empowered counterparts. such as immigrants, non-whites, women, ethnic minorities, Muslims and other religious minorities and sexual and gender minorities, while the social democratic parties although they too rely somewhat on them still get mainly the worker vote unless it goes to the right-wing populist.

4: democratic socialists can be actually considered socialists at least somewhat, whereas social democrats cannot. This causes that due to the extensive propaganda campaign by anti-communists of which social democrats are a part of, socialism is given a bad name and thus democratic socialists, even though they're "democratic", suffer due to identifying as socialists and thus won't get the working people's vote.

This causes that they turn to the aforementioned social groups and away from the working class, the group the left is supposed to empower and whose rights it should uphold. As the democratic socialists seen as the left-wing does this, the left is seen abandoning the working class, providing ground for right-wing populists as not only do they present themselves as a workers' party but also the party of the social groups which are polar opposites to what the left party represents: whites, men, natives, Christians, heterosexuals and so on, parading them as "actually disempowered ones" due to the left's advocacy of affirmative action to their groups.

What needs to be done? What can be done? How can the left be made a true workers' movement again?

Why the fuck is everybody writing essay-long posts?

Because this isn't a board for illiterates

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Because they're educated.

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Intellectual snobbery about the theory > to actually doing anything for working class

This is an leftcom board, get out.

Dunno what board you're on but it sure as hell ain't this one.

Reforms will lead us to workers paradise.

1. Join the left parties
2. Remove/diminish IDpol cancer
3. Restate focus on 'proper' socialist aims (positive freedom, true meritocracy, rational economy)
4. To gain respect and normalisation, aim for parlamentary positions as single issue candidates on platforms of the aforementioned values and popular, uncontroversial reforms porkies cannot support for obvious reasons (elimination of tax havens, proper progressive taxation etc)

Thoughts?

DUMB AND PROUD

Neck yourself illiterate.

I'd join but there is no fucking left party in my country apart from the remnant of the previous regime's party, and they are corrupt, retarded, power-maniacs, authoritarian "socialists" promoting state capitalism.

I'm not the person who has the qualities to establish a movement or a party and the anti-left propaganda is so strong here that even socdems are considered to be communists.

This is Hungary.

How can Europe be so reactionary?

Anti-Soviet butthurt in the east, decades of the welfare-state in the west.

You mean how can a single EU country be so reactionary?

It's because history. We were in the USSR for decades:
- there was a revolution in 1956 against that "socialism"
- they persecuted churches, priests, etc. and poeple's identity depends on that very much (not that we are a christian country, but it's part of the problem)
- the regime before the "socialists" was successful in some aspects (education), so there is a will to bring back that system (which was basically feudalist)
- also there was another party that descends from the "socialists" which calls itself socialist, which pretends to be a socdem and is actually neoliberal. They did things everybody is discontent with and everybody thinks the alternative is to turn right ( there is no "leftist" opposition party which has so strong critique on them )

Visegrad countries are the most reactionary of all European countries I think.

This is kind of a continuation to , the left HAS to get over the Soviet hangover. The illusion that socialism has somehow been 'debunked' by the failure of the Soviet state has driven the social democrats even further into the IDpol and liberalism. Urban left-liberal "social justice is the left's only cause!" cunts have to be reformed or removed from serious movements.

Planning on it. Any guesses how social ecology would fair in a green left party?
Emphasizing the working class would seem enough, the rest does itself.
Their concretization for the workers themselves would seem to be vital to get their support back.
This seems to be already the case though. They are present in their party programs.

Isn't Bookchin really popular among green party types already?

Present in the party programmes is not what I mean though. I'm talking about aggressive single-issue campaigning, targetting both the natural demographic of leftists but also liberals and populist right against "crony capitalism".

Daily reminder that "democracy" is liberal idpol, pure and simple. There's a reason why it's called the DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat, not democracy.

fuck off bordiga

Hardly, seeing how Bookchin criticized eco-socialists rather harshly.

Based on what (limited) knowledge I have of Communalism, it seems quite similar to what Green proponents of decentralised, small-scale capitalism want to achieve. Wouln't they be prime candidates for either support or conversion?

Kinda happening in British labour; the issue is that Jeremy Corbyn is perhaps the worst leader in modern political history. Did they really have to get the guy who was in-bed with the IRA?

Bookchin *hated* statist Green parties, and wrote tirades denouncing them in numerous volumes.

You mean like Tony Blair?

Funny how making peace with the IRA under Blair was OK but Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser.

He does seem quite incompetent. I had high hopes of a real left-wing movement gaining power in the west. Oh well.
Right now, I don't envy Labour's position at all, squeezed between kippers on the working class side and libdems on the urban liberal side. Corbyn's already made his unsurprising descision to go with the workers. I predict Labour to get absolutely annihiliated in the "Brexit election", barring some major developments. Urban liberals will vote libdem on the pro-EU platform, despite the recent betrayal over university fees etc. and Labour will lose the metropoles.

On one hand, liberals can fuck off to their own party and also fuck sosdems in general. On the other, seeing another (even if mostly nominally) leftist party get annihilated to irrelevancy does not feel good.

All must be sacrificed on the altar of accelerationism I suppose.


That's ok, just ease them in with stuff about not raping the environment they can agree on. Then explain that capitalism is gonna capital.

because ideas arent fleshed out in fucking memes