Unlikable Mary Sues

Dragon Age Origins has the dishonor of being the first game I stop playing because the dialogue was so bad.

I wanted to punch the snake in the head, as it were.

Yah forgot about this faggot.

Meanwhile, the same game had this other guy, who has similarities, but actually has flaws.
but
Fuck, even the mary sue's sister is better written than her. She's a spoiled little kid who half the senate is trying to assassinate because she won't let them just be corrupt assholes.

Alistrair is alright. You are just a fag.

What you on about, faggot? I know hating on ultrasmurfs is in, but you really picked a bad example.
Especially if you take the latest books into account.

A male Mary Sue is called a Gary Stu you idiot.

Who gives a shit?

the modern usage of the phrase "Mary Sue" is to mean
that definitely fits Alistair

If you're arguing that words shouldn't be used in their proper context then you're a nigger. A double nigger for implying thinking words should be used correctly is fedora related. Hell you're a triple nigger.

me too
every single bioware game is full of unlikable characters, and what's worse is that they're supposed to be likable. KOTOR had that other retard who I wanted to kill since the first part of the game

I think calling a dude a Mary Sue is more insulting. Take that shit to tumblr if you get butthurt over gender pronouns.

You forgot the biggest Mary Sue in videogames, OP:

Alistair did nothing wrong

Ayy yo, hol up.

I hate nuWoW, but at least they knocked him down a peg.

Is that fucking Drizzt. I completely forgot about that faggot.

I haven't played since Cataclysm, but everything involving Thrall reached maximum faggotry.

Also, wouldn't this bitch count as a Mary Sue?

Leliana was worse than Alistair in my opinion.

It's Gary Stu for males, and Mary Sue for females. Pay attention, OP.
Alistair is a bro too and maybe one the last POZware characters with, well, character.

It's not suppose to be an insult, it's a signifier of the type of character that character is. It's a description and should be used as such.

Why the fuck is literally all gay porn acting hilariously the exact same?

Well the best example of a Gary Stu I can think of is Persona 3 protag

It's like you learned nothing. 2B is tired of showing emotions because she doesn't want to get attached to same guy she has murdered dozens and dozens of times, the only time she cracks is when her emotional guard is down from severe stress you dumbass.
9S is the closest to being an actual Mary Sue because he's literally been built to be the best andriod model at his job. It is a well-established fact in universe that the 9S model kicks ass specifically because he was designed that way. This then plays into the story because 9S has his mind wiped every other week because 9S being the best of his models constantly is so good at discovering shit, hacks the YoRHa databases and re-discovers the conspiracy over and over again. If it seems like he's immature it's because he's literally rediscovering his entire world every other week.
You didn't even read the stage play you dumbass there's a reason A2 knows literally fucking everything but you're too lazy of a fag to give a shit. Then she becomes likeable because 2B injects her memories into her fundamentally changing her personality.
Jesus fucking Christ you're an idiot and have no idea what Mary Sue means.

I felt kind of bad when I let what's her name kill Alistair.
Whatever, he can be smarmy in hell.

ITT abusing the meaning of a word to pretend you know more

Not true. Sten is likable.

Nah, mages are the best tanks by far. Arcane Warrior specialization OP. It's a fullblown tank mage specialization. It's worthless for damage, but it's amazing for tanking. Add Rock Armor if you need still more armor. Hell with mage buffs you can easily grant your party stupidly OP amounts of defense such that they can never be hit, especially when it comes to missile avoidance.

That reminds me, when it comes to Mary Sue tier bullshit Wynne tops out tbh. Her Vessel of the Spirit ability is some hideously broken special snowflake bullshit.

Pic 2 made me quit league (thankfully)

Then post shitty characters that fit the definition.

That's nice. Take that shit to your tumblr and post some examples of characters instead.

Strange, I just quit league because it was another chinese NO FUN ALLOWED zone.

That too, but it irked me enough to leave while i still let the jew live in my mind for free

>>>Holla Forums

Also

Then you have to either dodge her like the plague or tell her to GTFO to keep her out. You don't even need to kill her at Andraste's ashes for 2/3 to make no sense, you could just never bother to pick her up and leave her to the blight.

Sounds like you're the expert on the subject m8 why don't you tell us.

Jesus what a wrong faggot you are. How embarrassing.

He'd still get thrashed by Any Propper Ork like Mag Uruk Thraka or Grimgor Ironjaw

Not really, he's probably the least mary sue out of all the ultramarines as Matt Ward wrote barely any of his fluff Matt didn't touch HH and has been forced just to stick to Sigmar after he came back, I'm pretty sure the last thing he did was the Tzeentch Battletome in Sigmar which is the most broken piece of shit in an already shit game

Alistair is considered an idiot even in universe and gets shat on all the time by other characters. I'm pretty sure he's also considered immature, childish and lacking in confidence, especially for an heir to the throne. Actually, unless I'm mistaken, some of his blind attempts to be the good guy get treated as him simply being naive and not understanding how the world works. He may not be the best character around, but you can't really call him a Mary Sue when even the player party considers him the stupid one of the group.

Then again it's Bioware, so maybe they went and made him the bestest king EVER in the sequels that I never played.

There are only 2 genders, and only 2 descriptors for Sues.

If you brain is so shriveled and impotent that it can't even process the correct usage of simple words, then you belong in >>\vegetable\

I can think of one who surely needs no introduction.

Teagan did nothing wrong.

Though that makes me think: does this make Teagan an anti-sue as she was built to be a foil for this thing?

This cunt

And yet he still has the lowest win rate for his role, it's something like 45%. It's mainly because he can't build the same items that other ADCs benefit from, crit's just no good on him and he's very mana hungry at all stages of the game.

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I wouldn't say that Teagan was built to be a foil for Alto, really. She's just supposed to be the smart and dependable party member who makes a sudden switch to villainy at the end of act 1. As opposed to main character Alto, who is such a Mary Sue that not only is she the hero, but her evil alternate personality is also the real villain of the game.

It would have been worse if we got episode three. She was to kill Mossman for suggesting they research the boat that could save them. Her master plan was smacking the boat into a planet owned by an interdimensional empire and hoping that would end the war. Then the G Man took her and left Freeman to die

I liked alistair, him oghren and the dog are the only party members in the game that are genuine friends with the player and not an alliance of convenience or a lost soul or a fuckbuddy
wynn was good too

This. This is modern tier thinking.

Literally just made to be an untouchable nigger female token and nothing more.

Seems like Sylvanas fits the bill more lately, not that I'd expect the spastic manchildren writers at Blizzard to have a collective attention span capable enough to focus on keeping characters consistently in the spotlight.

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Was that supposed to happen? When I played I never got that. From the way she looks afterwards I assume it was a bug?

Oh, and she's also wearing the wrong clothes/the clothes she wore in Nate's first fight scene with her.

That's amusing.

Teagan's the opposite of Alto in a lot of ways, right down to their visual designs. But if you want a REAL Mary-Sue, Alto's ancestor Autism-chan doesn't even have the flaws that Alto has:

>Only Inuyasha-sama Altair accepts me and naturally FALLS IN LOVE with me

It's absolutely classic Mary-Sue stuff. Despite all of this she was still more likable than Alto. Really, only changing that last thing could make her part of the game pretty satisfying.

nobody here knows, nobody actually played the game.

Gotta agree, he's a stupid motherfucker for wasting cash on the jap jew

I'd laugh if she dies in the next film. Still wouldn't watch the burning refuse pile that is Disneys star wars

You know I wouldn't care about how bad her character's writing was if the actor they chose didn't look like a neanderthal and act like a robot too.

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Don't forget:

A robot would do a better job of acting. All she can do is make a fish face and talk really loudly. I guarantee you the kikes choose her on purpose.

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Did someone rip off their 4 year olds story for star wars or something? This is fucking terrrible. I'm surprised they haven't tried to force the finnXrey angle yet.

Thanks user. It's hard to keep up with all the special abilities she has by default for no reason.

Why did they choose her actually? Is it cause she's a yid? Surely they could have found any jewish woman with better acting than her.

It's just Jews being Jews.

And just when Force Trees weren't bad enough.. Btw Force Trees are confirmed, they contain the spirits of dead jedi (blue glowy). Now these little penguin shits are the defenders of the Force Trees.

The end of the film has Rey and Ren going on a date.. Well that's it I'm out… Fuck star wars. I knew this was going to be bad but holy shit.

Story didn't seem to revolve around him up until the fag shit that was Cataclysm, but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

It's better to have hated Star Wars since the beginning my friend. That way you can never be "let down".

The new movies are shit that doesn't mean the old movies retroactively become shit. I mean fuck, what if I just started hating the entire Age of Empires franchise because they release Age of Empires Online? What kind of gigantic retard would that make me?

Where would they get the resources and time to create that when something of its size would take at least a decade to make. Not to mention isn't it's size too cumbersome and vulnerable to enemies, especially with it being so wide, rather than long? It's such an easy target.

Isn't this Avatar? Are they ripping off James Cameron now?

I thought the original trilogy was ok. I never hyped them up past enjoyable movie status. Lucas had a lot of dumb luck making them (because people disobeyed what he wanted for a large part and did what made sense).

Rogue One was legit good, If you enjoy seeing Blacks and StrungWumuns get killed then that's the movie for you. I even liked it when Jyn accuses the rebels of being terrorists.

Jyn is the anti-Rey, where Rey can do all this crazy shit with no training, Jyn can barely hold a blaster and panics when the shooting starts, she even gets knocked the fuck out by a robot.

It was a much better film than Farce Awakens. I still ended up pirating Rogue One anyway.

I find it funny how Rogue One can exist in the same universe as Farce Awakens, where Rogue One was mature, Farce behaves like a Saturday Morning Cartoon.. I mean hell even Rebels has a more mature storyline than that movie did and that IS a Saturday morning cartoon.

What are you talking about user? Force Awakens is a legit perfect movie and anyone who doesn't like it is a fucking mouthbreathing retard who deserves to be shot.

you sound like a woman bitching about videogame girls because they are more attractive than herself

I paid to see Rogue One because a date wanted to go (nothing panned out from the date). Couldn't help but bring my Holla Forums bias along with me. I liked K-2, but the imagery of the "Black Bull" tainted my opinion.

Like every butt-hurt Bioware numale cuck that's been bullied in high school and even after high school.

Every main character in a Game Workshop game let alone a story is more or less a Mary Sue unless it's a villain like a goblin or a Chaos Beastmen (they're usually disposable strawmen unless they're the main characters). I can say after reading one shitty Black Library book after another.

Hi, Matt Ward.

I think he's basically the poster boy of shitty Mary Sues, but at least they dicked him over in Legion. Too bad Legion is still horrible and infested with sjw-shit.

Sten was also an annoying cunt.

They still make skins for Ezrael, and shove him in stuff he doesn't belong to (using his explorer bullshit as an excuse).

They're not gonna kill Rey anytime soon. You'll see Luke and everyone else die before she dies.

This shit is cringeworthy.

mother fucker you want Mary Sues? Take Sylvanas and the Forsaken post-Cata

Don't know if he is exactly mary sue, but he's definitely dev pet. Piece of shit that alwasy want to fuck you over yet no only you can't even hurt him the game actual forces you to collaborate with him.

I can belive that exist people who tolerate him, let alone adore him. I fucking hate him so much.

I didn't mean to reply to anyone.

People only like him because of his voice actor, other than that, yes, he's an annoying cunt that you can't get rid of.

Just be glad you quit before you saw chinese gary stu aka Yasuo

That's just typical nip shit you see every second anime. Nip writing is famous for being trash and reusing the same character tropes over and over.
>big titties sometimes milf with a deep voice
I think I summed them all up

Except for that one totally out of place scene where she knocks out like 12 stormtroopers with kung-fu and a baton.

Nah, see, if Taro had actually used any of those tried-and-true tropes he would have had a good thing going, but because Taro is a hipster fuck he had to try to be avant garde about the whole mess.

What? You play a mage on Da:O the rest of your "Party" doesn't matter mage can do everything.

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More like ripping off half of all JRPGs.

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it felt that rogue one's plot was a carbon copy of Halo Reach's plot.

Thrall is prob the base model for shitty Mary Sue's in modern gaming, even in Legion where all important characters die Thrall somehow survives the impossible and only loses Doomhammer so the players can pick it up.

I wish Metzen overdosed on heroin back in 2004 so we didnt have to suffer through numerious expansions of World of Warcraft: Thrall and friends

Everything about it is retarded. The original wedge-shape design of other ships is semi based in reality; the bridge is elevated and at the back of the ship, the wedge shape allows more frontally-faced guns to bare at the same time, armor plates are able to be placed on a flat, angled, single surface and the point-defense lasers can be angled in a way that they cover a large, open fire-arc. Common sense stuff. All semblance of realism is thrown out the window for 'le epic big unique ship'

With him gone I guarantee you it will only get worse.

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We lost Thrall for…fucking Sylvanas, the the new sjw mouthpiece for Wow. Her fanbase is already corrupted by the sjw kool-aid, and it deoesn't help that sjw furfags like Celestalon are ruining classes for their social justice bullshit.

Life is strange

The fact that you didn't find him funny doesn't mean he wasn't intended as a comic relief.
However I'm willing to concede that, despite constantly cracking jokes, Alistair wasn't really the comic relief character, considering that Oghren filled that role better in every way.

From her muscle structure she'd have to be lucky to beat one average sized dude. Has a nigger woman ever beaten two white guys in combat without an army of hood rats at their back?

I can't help but notice these nig characters that get crowbarred into games seem to have a lot more invested in events than they'd have if they were real people, ie they're much much more wiling to fight and die with honour (or for a purpose or another person) than any average nig would be. Also they consume notably less wattymelon and frydchikunz, steal fewer bikes and barely abscond from fatherhood at all.

Truly, it's a digital dreamworld.

She's obviously Luke's daughter that's why she's OP.

If the leak is anything to go by she's actually the reincarnation of Luke's dad with some possible time travel fuckery involving her being the first Jedi as well.

Reading that just hurt my head.

He Sucks ass at what he's supposed to do, that disqualifies him from being one.

Still counts, since you're forced to put up with his shit in Scenario Campaign.

It's not fair for Lars to be pinned for being bad at getting rid of mishimas because they never fucking die even when they're supposed to be dead. They're the real mary sues

But it's not a perfect character that makes no mistakes, it's not a mary sue.

Really good to see this Mary Sue BTFO.

Okay how about we have a compromise and call everyone a Xhery Xue instead you inflation fetish level overblown faggot? Fuck off with your insistance that everyone act the way you want them to, no one cares about your feelings you eater of magical shit.

Jesus, Alto's such a mary sue that the whole story is just about her fucking herself over because everything is about her.

I don't know man, didn't seem like she did anything wrong.

He's one of the few party members who is not needy for approval or throwing his life story at people.

Oghren wasn't funny either.

She didn't to anyone with a shred of self-awareness and a worldview that's even remotely sane. Unfortunately, FeralPhoenix possesses neither.

I have no clue if Taro is a genius or an idiot

This fucking faggot.

On the meta side of things:

On the plot side of things:

What a horrible protagonist.

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it will get worse not because of him being good in any measurable way but because they will replace him with some new faggot like Celestalon

I'm more than confident you are projecting your insecurities, user.

Stephen Fry is a swotty verbose drama queen luvvie and fondler of young men's balls, utterly in love with the sound of his own voice and smell of his own farts. I'm sure they felt compelled by his delicate doily, *almost suicidal* temperament to use as much of him as possible and take all his notes and asides and put them in because it was better than anything they could write, sadly it oversaturated but that's the least of Fable's problems.

Is there anything worse than dev who use established character for self-insert?

Good question. It's definitely near the bottom if not the bottom.

Adding your self insert to a property specifically so you can fug your waifu

So she's Darth Vader?

Don't remind me of this

I admit bioware is so fucking retarded they didn't understand people would do this, but min-maxing magic as a mage is some common sense shit.

Making the mage do everything is also ez as fuck. They're simply the best tanks and the best DPS and the best CC. The last two come without trying. The first one only requires you to take the Arcane Warrior tank mage specialization. The Arcane Warrior was a retarded spec which was fucking terrible for attacking but offered the best armors and a lot of absurdly powerful defenses.

And his waifu is a kindergartner to boot.

What about doing this and at the same time?

Let's add to this using established character to shamless show off your political views

I hate this bitch, Frately would have kicked her ass though. At least the waifu fags can eat shit because it's cannonical that Steiner defeated her in a duel.

It's more likely than you think

Details on this?

It's a character added into a story in service of the author or crator's ego and wish fulfillment fantasies.Originally used strictly to refer to self-insert fanfiction, it evolved to cover characters added in by the creators as personal stand-ins.

And in case you are going to try and pull some gotcha bullshit, consider the following: The term "Mary Sue" comes from a piece of Star Trek (TOS) fanfiction where the author's self-insert was so perfect and loved by all and hypercapable that they were the sole focus of the series, more than the established characters the fan was writing about. Fast forward to Star Trek TNG and Gene Wesley Roddenberry gives us Wesley Crusher, the youngest ensign, brilliant beyond his years, a natural born Star Fleet officer, tech wiz, and all around wunderkind who turns out to be even more special, when he is revealed to be the next step in humanity's enlightenment. Not fanfiction, and yet, still a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stu if you prefer.

Those are ALWAYS shit.
ALWAYS.

Her weapon Save the Queen uses the formula:

Base = (Atk + Lvl) - Def

Bonus = Str + Rnd MOD ([(Lvl + Str) / 8] + 1)

Damage = Base * Bonus

This is the only formula which uses character level in the base calculation. This means she could get a base value of 122 while everyone else can only get 99.

Save the Queen also has Strength +2, Speed +1, Magic +2, Spirit +5 which is also OP because stat growth in IX is based on your equipment bonuses meaning she can get the highest stats by far.

This. They are never enjoyable and are just devs ejaculating their storytelling into the player's face.

The fuck you on about? Rey knew about Luke Skywalker. Obvoiusly she would have heard of the Force.

Jedi Mind Trick is a well-known ability. Watto was like "what do you think you're a jedi, waving your arm around?" when Qui Gon tries to do it on him.

You stupid sack of shit, if you haven't watched the movie, or are too retarded to follow along, don't shit the thread up with your comments. Both her and the nigger acted surprised when Han told them that Luke and the Jedi were real, and that the Force was actually a thing.

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It could be argued that tearing up the magical sheet music that's supposed to be played to save the world might have been going a little overboard, but it's a little hard to care, considering that the story itself barely even acknowledges the act. Teagan gets treated like the villain purely because she said a bunch of mean things to the other party members and they couldn't handle it.

Though on the bright side, at least we now have the unofficial Duet ending to give us an alternate version of the story where things actually turn out well for Teagan.

My fucking diaphragm fuck.

I don't even know this game and that's fucking hilarious, kek.

Do i even have to explain this?

Being a Kang doesn't make him a mary sue, unless in the story this particular Kang is flawless and all powerful and has no problems whatsoever.

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my nigga

You have no idea how much joy this webm brought me, user. Thank you.

Why? It's getting to enjoyably watch your ass get kicked 100% without consequence while showing how tough and flashy enemies can really and will get and moving the plot forward with awesome music to top it off.

These things are so fucking cute. Why does anyone have a problem with them being plot?

Seems like the only thing that isn't retarded from nu-SW.

didn't they uglify sylvanas for the sake of feminism? Or was it only in the cgi animations

Fucking god damn Ingrid. I honestly hope she gets put in SF5 so the people who still play that trash have to suffer.

The only one who's anal region appears to have suffered severe burns is you.

God this motherfucker makes Shinji look like guts.

Not yet. They stuck a corset on her bikini armor. Somehow this managed to appease the usual crowds, though it's probably because they weren't trying to initiate a moral panic about it and Blizzard never stated why they made that change.
Metzen did have a bit of a freak out over his daughter asking why Sylvanas (or one of the Dragon Aspects, I can't remember who exactly) was wearing a bikini, though. That might be tied in to it.

I actually enjoyed Fable 3, as terrible as it was, right up until I got to be king and found out that this asshole profits off of every goddamn decision you make.
I was okay with not getting to kill him in 2, as stupid as it was. I was even okay with not getting to kill him in 3 before becoming king, because I figured there'd either be some payoff or he'd only make another token appearance and fuck off like in 2.
But having him sitting right in your goddamn kingdom, acting like he knows exactly how much of a writer's pet he really is, and not only being unable to do anything about it, but being forced to aid him constantly just to keep the plot moving was too much.

Was expecting the normal scene, real nice.

It was funny when they rushed her but that got an audible laugh from me.

Don't fucking lie user, that's the second time in the game they face her. And in the first they both get their shit kicked in.
Also, when you fight her, both times the dodge button stops working and you can't avoid anything. You're supposed to take the beating from the stronk nigger womyn like a good boy and say nothing about it.
Your character stumbles like a retard on vicodin in the fights but when you're outside the motherfucker takes a beating and keeps on trucking like it's nothing.
Fuck you naughty dog. Sage for offtopic.

Rest of the Royal characters are just as bad.

Fates was a mistake

We know; the turnabout to our expectations and the unexpected realism is what makes it so good, ya dingus.

That moment when you make Lohgain into a warden and instead sentence Alistar to death after whole game of ridiculing him and that butthurt "make me a king" tantrum brought me relief and was pretty comical in a schadenfreude kind of way.

hurf durf get off muh vidyer

hahahahaaahaha

This post made me chuckle. Checking your dubs. The only things wrong with it are
as downsides.
Any anons here were into Sacred Stones?

Feels good, cucks deserve to suffer.

She does more for the party than every other character combined, mate.

It's the other way around. The expecation is that the woman written to be a swaggering hardass who can easily overpower anyone because "she knows karate" or whatever will win because the writers are virtue signaling idiots at best.
That woman getting her shit wrecked despite all her bluster is the unexpected realism.

Wait, really?

Yup

I haven't played Persona 5 yet
That PC release will come out anyday now right Holla Forums?

I would say good luck waiting for something that's never happened before but the first game did get a Windows port so maybe anything can happen.

I'm still mad.

this fucking guy, he's funny but damn is he annoying

PissThrees are really cheap m8.

my sides left the galaxy

only way this would fly IRL is if the nigress know some aikido or judo or some shit and the guy didnt

CJ is some weird Tyrone Stu johnson

Probably forgotten about since Disney introduced their own brand of Mary Sue (and I hope that script rumour of reincarnated Anakin/first Jedi is bullshit), but this faggot was THE reason I was glad Lucasfilm's acquisition wiped out EU's canon potential.

Fuck this cunt.

God, this guy is the fucking worst. He makes Robin and Chrom seem down to earth by comparison.

See if you weren't there for Duet

You don't even need to watch the movie
THAT SHIT WAS IN THE TRAILER.

Hang on there buddy! You're missing some critical details that MAKE HIM FUCKING WORSE
If someone told me the real reason that there was never a Fable 4 was because of Reaver I genuinely wouldn't had been surprised.

I fucking really despise the force being effortlessly used to do shit like pull starships out of orbit or instantly kill everything. Ruins the tension and makes every encounter feel weightless

Was that what all the recent threads were about? I figured it was just people streaming the game again for the millionth time.

It was the very last stream of this "season." That's when the Duet mod was played.
smashcast.tv/Thassil/videos/1352361
If you don't want to watch 4 hours of pure redemption, play it for yourself. In fact, I kinda recommend you play it if you've already played/watched Uncommon Time in all of its "glory."
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If you want to skip the horseshit(although it's been patched to GREATLY reduce grinding), here's a save. Go in to town, inn, then Tenuto Spring to start the Duet route.
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When will this meme of 100lbs women being able to do anything in a fight against a 200lbs man end?

I agree. I'd at least feel a bit better about if using that much force energy took all of the jedi's energy or if the Jedi risks their life in order to do something like that.

To be fair, both Mace Windu and Yoda are members of the Jedi Council and wouldn't achieve that rank if they weren't especially strong and skilled. Yoda in particular is the strongest Force user with the exception of Anakin.

I'm still mad that Kyle Katarn is no longer canon. Dark Forces was made by LucasArts, that's good enough for me. Hell, even the Kell Dragons were supposed to be the first appearance of a living Krayt Dragon during development. Sounds canon to me.

Honestly, in the cartoon Yoda just claps his hands together and pulls two droid ships out of the air, with star killer its a decently long sequence that apparently took great effort. You can like the cartoon for the animation, but the portrayal of the Force in the cartoon is pants-on-head retarded.

[Carth seems to have something on his mind]

Droid ships are a lot smaller than Star Destroyers

Carth and Alistair have faults tho, you're just prissy because you dont like them.
Stop misusing words you faggots.

Marek was Vader's contingency plan in the event that the Emperor wanted to dispose of him. You also have to remember that Marek's father was a Jedi and probably trained him quite a bit after all the other Jedi were killed during Order 66. Marek then died at the end of the first game, but Vader cloned him in an experiment to clone Force-sensitive beings. The Marek clone was made to be immensely strong with the Force, so he could do things like crash Star Destroyers. I don't think he's as much of a Mary Sue as Rey personally. He also had a cute gf.

The only good thing about the Whore of Daein is that she is hot (and gets raped a lot in the rule 34).

I'll also mention that Rey managed to defeat Ren and knew to a degree how to use the Force despite having no previous experience with anything. Marek was surrounded by Jedi and Sith his entire life and extensively trained by the most powerful Force user. In the second game, the clone wasn't just some freak of nature, but designed specifically to be a weapon.

To be fair, Yoda says in Empire Strikes Back that size doesn't matter, lifting a fist-sized rock and lifting the x-wing are the same as long as you believe in your abilities. That's OT, not George's edits or prequel bullshit. So maybe being an arrogant prick is the trick to yanking down star destroyers.

I think it's you who's pants on head retarded.

hurf durf feggtz git off mai vidyer

The entire point of Force Unleashed is to "Unleash" the "Force", Star killer kind of had to be a Mary Sue if the game was going to be any fun.
It was less about making a well written story and more about the blatant power fantasy of being a Bad Ass Sith/Jedi (grey Jedi I guess?)

You fight like 8 rancor just because it's cool

They completely pulled the Darth Maul fight out their ass, but it didn't mater how stupidly bullshit it was, because at the time it was Awesome.
Of course they had Darth Vader and Palpatine bosses because what Player wouldn't want to fight them.

In the non canon DLC's first you storm Jabba's palace, and fight boba fett.
Then you track down and fight Ben Kanobe, kill him, then Immediately fight his ghost.
After that you track down and Fight Luke on Hoth and even Turn him to the dark side to make him your apprentice just like Vader did with you.

None of this is well written but it's just makes for cool levels and boss fights.

….Also Shaak Ti in this game makes my dick rock hard.

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Sacred Stones is one of my favorite FE games.

Now this is some grade A retarded logic. So everygame where you play that doesnt have over the top OP main character is not fun?

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I didn't say that, But when it comes to action games an over the top OP Main character is usually for the best.

springhole.net/writing/whatisamarysue.htm

op had it correct, ezreal is a huge mary sue.

this also applies to tryndamere, who has the same sort of lore and romantic interest with hot girl, who is a king who everybody loves because he's so amazingly just and benevolent, yet he's the most badass warrior of all time, and he's also the self insert of the president of the company (who's ingame name is tryndamere)

riot games fucking sucks balls at writing

The entire cast of nier Automata
sonic the hedgehog
MC of sword art online
Sasuke Uchiha (REMOVE UCHIHA)
Illidan Stormrage from Warcraft. Fuck that guy and his mary sue shit. The new writing in legion ruined the character
Cecil from FF4 went from chill guy who had issues but pressed on and carried the burden of his sins to magically absolving himself from everything and just "I'm the hero of dark and light now". Initially being ok with it since its a transcendance/evolution of the character but his sins just got washed away and his past mistakes never had any weight. The only past issues or ghosts of the past was Kain lusting for his girl and him thinking he's not good enough for her, then suddenly he's ok because "he's the hero of dark and light now" even though cecil did SHIT NOTHING at all or sacrificed anything while Monk dude, the twins, the bard among the rest of the entire party actually sacrifice themselves to achieve shit, all he does is be shiny and take the credit. Fuck Cecil. And this is coming from someone who enjoyed 4 but holy fuck Cecil is a barbie.

Cecil's son is even worse, though I don't know if I'd consider him a mary sue. He's more of a complete retard than anything.

felicia day is a hideous creature

The after years is merely a confirmation that FF4 was not really good, with the taste of time showing how brittle the walls were as the cracks open up easily so.

Nevertheless for its time it was great, and I still think FF4 is better than anything after Lightning and even better than 8, but the story could have been substantially better with some very simple polish.

FF2 remake for the GBA with expanded story was ten times better as a "sequel" than after years.

I'm not sure if I agree with that or not, but I do think Modern Sonic is a far more boring character then literally anyone else in the series.

At least someone else out there liked it. 2 gets too much flak.

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…Argument.

Ceodore gets sidelined in his own story once Kain shows up, and past that point becomes completely irrelevant. Kain himself just rehashes his dilemma from his Lunar Trial in the GBA version of FF4. That's what The After Years was, really: A near-total rehashing of FF4's plot, right down to boss encounters.
Off the top of my head the only returning characters who actually did anything new or interesting were Edward, Edge, Palom, and Golbez.
Fuck, they never resolved the twist at the end of Golbez's chapter, either.

You really don't understand the definition of a Mary Sue.

Yoko taro is a hack and the only reason Nier Automata is good is thanks to Platinum games making the gameplay enjoyable.

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FFX-2 has the best ATB gameplay Final Fantasy series ever conceived, only to be wasted on this shitty sequel with horrible story, horrible Charlie's angels premise, and a Mary Sue MC who does absolutely fucking nothing but mingle in a side plot nobody cares about some dead singer and her boyfriend, then suddenly out of nowhere Tidus comes back to life.

i sure do love fetch quests and nothing else.

I'm late to respond to this, but I know what a Mary Sue is and where it came from (thanks to some inquiry about where the term came from in some thread a while ago), I was just calling bullshit because one of the examples OP showed was just him being mad at a game he doesn't like.

Don't forget FFX 2.5. That's the best part.

I fucking hate Yu Narukami
at least P5 MC is cute in a bubbly way. Sure, he's a mary sue faggot too but he got shit on the entire game by society so he's not untouched
Yu never had to overcome any hardships. He just used the generic power of friendship and plot to win

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also

who's baiting who?
Merely because they reach a station in the storyline train where they are forced by plot to get damaged doesn't mean they're not "nothing personnel, kid" for 99% of actual gameplay time.
They're both robots, they're not alive. They can't be killed. They're mary sue because damage or death doesn't apply to them.

I don't think you played the game.

in b4 "by your logic all robots are mary sue"
This doesn't apply to all robots, since other robots face ceasing to exist after being demolished. in Nier Automata, they just get rebuilt no prob. It's pretty much the same as a pseudo immortality since there is no consequences for their mistakes.

You want to know how I can tell you've never paid attention to a second of Nier:Automata's story, rugga?
>inb4 you skim a youtube video or a wikipedia article and act like a know-it-all fag

Then you're critiquing the gameplay and not the characters. If a games balance is so shit you can play the entire thing without dying that isn't the characters fault you dumbass.

I just realized you've never played the Game past Ending B, most likely you probably stopped at Ending A if you even played it.

Stop talking out of your ass, user.

I told you all.

this post

I did play the game. Sacrificial Lambs can still be Mary Sues, as long as they are not sacrificed. Ending A, B both prove this. I don't consider D (or was it C? where they both die) canon, because obviously picking to side with him is the wrong choice. TLDR: they are mary sues until they know more than they should then they lose plot armor.

we all know they are trapped in a cycle of life and death, and by this alone we can state they are not mary sues. However, inside their cycle, in their lives which they repeat after death, they are mary sue as fuck, and ultimately only destroy each other when they both clash. Ultimately, the characters are only alive when we play the game. And when we play them, when they are on and they are struggling, they are OP, in every gameplay perspective. Near is special because the very essence of the game is linked to the plot, where save files and data is linked to being canon to the story. In their struggles they are unmatched by no one but themselves, and only when they learn the truth they stop being mary sue. You could argue they are living under the illusion of a strugle and reason to fight, and within this illusion they are unmatched mary sues who will do every quest and blast through robots like fucking nothing. funnily enough when they discover the plot their plot armor breaks. nevertheless, they are still mary sue, especially if you don't go beyond ending A or B.

kill yourself.

I don't want (you)s, I'm implying he's the one baiting for them.

oh you mean the one where Tidus broke off his relationship with Yuna for some nobody for no reason, kicked a bomb by accident and blew his head off, and then the whole farplane goes ballistic for no reason, bringing back Sin and Tidus, and Auron Jecht and Seymour and undoing everything as the story implies that the real world and dead world are merging so there's no difference between life and death?

They really, REALLY need to stop giving jealous shoujoshits the wheel for this shit.

because that's some fucking

CANCER
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C
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RECNER

with a capital fucking C

You misunderstand me, (You)fag. By forcing the (You) meme, you're contributing to the downward spiral this board is having. (You) is not an argument, it's simply a meme forced by Tumblr spies to further poison our wells. After all, who needs an argument when you are just five characters away from avoiding having to defend your point?

Also, if you weren't a complete dumbass, you would have known is blatantly false after Ending B. As the YoRHa andriod production system completely shuts down. If you die after Ending B, characters die permanently upon game over, it's almost as if the entire point of the first half of the game was to set up a false sense of security for the second half. or third if you're picky.
Again this is you thinking that
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Within the plot they have been broken and died multiple times. In fact within the plot 2B permanently died. Unless you get Ending E. 9S also permanently dies in Ending D. And A2 permanently dies in Ending C. Since in Yoko games all endings are considered canon if different timelines. It is an established fact that not every survives every ending. This kind of set up is why the original Nier was set up after Ending E when MC dies to a fighter jet.

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Really, it feels like the rules of the world just bend around him. Robotnik has so many easy opportunities to kill Sonic, like nuking him from a safe distance or simply NOT designing his bases to accomodate Sonic with convenient walkways and springs everywhere. Instead he always gets really up close to him and allows him to jump on his machines which can fly and drop bombs from any distance. Despite the fact that Robotnik usually goes easy on him, he still acts like a giant smug prick who's just TOO good.

ok. Well. We can agree that x out of y timelines they are mary sue (A, B) and on other endings, even though they're blatantly "bad endings" like meme death endings or C, they're not. Although yes, 9S dies permanently in one ending.
I think the "its an alternate timeline so fucking around the plot and making different endings is ok" is as lazy get-out-of-jail free card as Marvel with their multiple universe plots. It's almost as if Yoko Taro doesn't know how to do 1 good proper ending to tie the story properly, so he just makes many scribbles to satisfy himself. Hence Yoko taro is a hack. He sets up an entire conflict and doesn't unwrap it or solve it. He plays with it, but he leaves it unfinished. He doesn't take responsibiltiy to at least give a canon (not "oh theyre canon theyre different timelines!" bullshit, actual solid canon ending) conclusion to the plot he concocted. It's ok to have an open ending and let the player finish the story for himself or leaving intrigue for the end, but bajillion endings is just cowardly.

Anyway you can easily see the mesh of platinum in gameplay and his writing. They contrast too much. The game is easy and they shit on everything, but when it comes down to a plotpoint they have issues. This is something that is prevalent in PS1 era where MCs destroy everything but then because PLOT they get damaged, even though you beat the boss easy peasy. To me, the writing and gameplay development are not interconnected with each other properly, and it shows.

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You gargantuan mongoloid
The data keeps getting reset or replayed. They're immortal. they are trapped without a cycle of repeat. hence pseudo immortality. You're not very bright if you thought the post was only limited to the robot's physical properties.

You faggot
Stops being true after Ending B, unless Ending E happens.

to elaborate, they're so mary sue their deaths even have meme endings. Because their deaths don't matter. They'll be back up in no time. Their mary sue powers are backed by fanboys like you who upload the data for other players, ironically.

That nigger from BF4's campaign.

Congrats, you keep repeating the same dumb shit in a vain attempt to convince yourself you hate the game. That's not how Mary sues work you tremendous mongoloid.

I still hold the opinon that Metzen didn't intend to make Thrall look bad in that duel, he just wanted Thrall to look epic and cool. Punishing Thrall afterwards was just to appease the crowd because they called him out for it.

The original Ending E from Drakengard 1 was the joke ending, and it started Nier. From the beginning, even joke endings are taken as serious ones, else the entire Nier universe stops existing because the joke ending from Drakengard 1 that started the entire thing now no longer counts. You've also failed to address that in plot they can die, get wounded, fail mission. This is by definition, not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is a flawless character that never loses, fails, have negative traits, and usually are self-inserts.
Then why the fuck did you not change the difficulty to hard or extra hard? Again, the gameplay is terribly balanced but a terribly balanced game =/= equal plot elements you dumbfuck.
Is this your first time playing any Japanese game with actual plot complexity? Seriously bitching about multiple endings? Well it's understandable for a Platinumfag to be too dumb to accept more complicated plots.
That doesn't make the entire cast Mary Sues, that makes the entire cast poorly written in your opinion again. Character I do not like =/= Mary Sue.

You claim to have played and yet you completely missed the "9S is breaking down and if he dies after Ending B no one can save him" plot point. It was showing the 9S mental state is breaking down rapidly as he is doing things he really shouldn't be forcing his body to do or he will die. Poppola and Devola can only do minor repairs not rebuild him from scratch. It's a serious plot point that 9S, who previously could just rely on a new body or YoRHa fixing him up, can now die and if he has any major break no one can repair him because no one knows how. A2 for the entirety of the game even before Ending B also had this dilemma as well, as A2 is constantly living near death as a fugitive from YoRHa. So even if you only count Ending E, there is a large stretch of the game where dying is a very real and major concern for 9S and has been the entire time for A2.

You see, persona is fucking gay shit.
You don't have these faggot characters in games like SMT, because they are made for functioning adults rather than for disgusting manchildren.
t. Quentin

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You see, Star Wars is dumb garbage made for normalfags who think super duper powerful super good guy = good character.
You shouldn't put thought into it, it's like doing it to something like a 4 yo kid educational cartoon.

Spotted the nigger.
This is now a dubs thread.

Get fucked user

Spotted the nigger.

This is a testament you don't really play actual RPGs with a good story. I wonder who's the hack and slash fag if you think Yoko Taro scratches anything but the surface of complexity. I bet you think Kojimbo is a modern shakespeare.

The only good point you made was that nier started from a joke ending. If this is actually canon and not fan theory, you'd be correct given the meme endings would hold weight to the mistakes and consequences that transpired, ergo not Mary Sue, and I would have to digress and agree with you. Otherwise, no.

and to correct you, a mary sue can have negative traits, as long as they are "cool" or seen in a positive light by the same character (thinking their negative trait is like a beauty mole) then its still mary sue. i.e Donte thinking being a little shit is ok because he thinks he's cool about it. Because he doesn't see it as a flaw or it is not portrayed as one.

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You don't play Nocturne for the plot. You play it for the excellent press turn gameplay.

That doesn't change the fact that the characters are manchildren.

Good god, why are you even still bothering.

You're the only one craving (you)s here by going offtopic.
You shouldn't be here if that upsets you. Try a safe space circlejerk.

I agree. This is coming from someone who loves Nocturne and holds it in high regard.

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Nigger, where did I imply that.
I said that you would start acting like a know-it-all fag after skimming whatever "NieR:Automata analysis" google search result you can find when it's clear that you've never played a second of NieR:Automata or knew anything about the story before you posted this bullshit
and here you are doing exactly that

I'm going to spell this all out for you.

That's a fairly abridged version of what happens in Nier's world, but otherwise accurate.

I completely glazed over the events of Nier because it isn't relevant to this discussion so no need to start getting into Gestalt and Replicant bullshit just yet.

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I meant the game NieR specifically, god I'm tired from arguing with this (you)fag..

Sorry, I mistook you for him as well.

kill yourself.
Nier automata is overrated and yoko taro is a hack, whether the characters are Mary sue or not.

*an hack moron

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it is the sound that governs whether you use a or an, not the actual first letter of the word.

Who's fishing for (you)s now?

13366848 (you're not getting it)
every single post you have made in this thread is a shitpost.
every single one.
from "you're a tripfag" to "lmao BTFO"
at least I'm on topic. You're objectively being the only shitposter trying to ruin the board with bitching. The very bitching you fingerpoint at. Bitching about anything but videogames or videogame related discussion.

And she got rich by appropriating our culture, the carpetbagger.

origins wasn't as cucked as DA2. Take that back Alistair is my husbando.

I had to abandon my female elf mage play through of origins because of that guy. Not even gay, I swear.

Ok I'm lying I finished my elf female mage playthrough still not gay. I just think Alistair is a really witty, well written and handsome character in an ENTIRELY STRAIGHT WAY.

tfw alistair throne ending but cucked because elf, cursed with the gay.

/thread

It's worse than the constant threat of being possessed by a demon.

Also, in my search for a face from DA:O to make into a good tfw OC, I found out that people thought Anders Breivik was inspired by Alistair into becoming a real life Templar.

Any other games that have this?

How is that a flaw? I don't get it.

Nice spoilers faggot

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Streaming the game in August is an annual tradition on Holla Forums. Though having it all end in a way that made us take a liking to Alto this year was certainly a nice surprise.

I'm a bit confused. How does your post relate to the post you're replying to? Who's Will? What does Felicia Day have to do with Star Trek? There's something I'm not quite following here.

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Lucario

If you'd learn how to read, user. Will Weaton is the guy who played Wesley Crusher in Star Trek. Will really wanted to fuck Felicia Day. Felicia Day got pregnant by another guy.
Now, that doesn't mean his post couldn't have been done better because he misused the word cuck like 90% of people who use it, but still.

True

He was a lone. That was the point. He was always alone and after everything he went through he "realized" the dream of the lost phantoms in the Amala Network and how much better it would be if everyone was alone. He wanted to create a world where each person had a world of their own and no one to bother them. He literally wanted perpetual "peace" through mass solitude.
How can you get his character so wrong? It's not even that complicated.

You mean vaguely upper-class tsundere?
No, you idiot. She literally had her arm ripped off and, considering she also lost her jacket and has more exposed skin, probably went through some hardcore Taimanin Asagi stuff while wading through the demon world. She didn't hate herself because she was weak, she "realized" through all the suffering she endured that in the end strength is what mattered. Might makes right.

She stumbles upon the temple of the being who was until recently known as the strongest demon in the land and finds him dead. The demon also had his own idea which he wanted to pull off which is exactly her idea: a world of power where might makes right and order is brought about through colossal strength. Since he's just vaproous spirit now and can't change the world (he was just a demon anyway and couldn't do it) he gives his power to her.

One of your friends sacrifices an ally you had to gain great power for himself while playing you like a fiddle - though even then he laments that you can't be on his side and see his dream.
Chiaki, on the other hand, goes full Holocaust and leads a mass genocide of innocent (((people))) who has managed to flee from being tortured repeatedly and find a new home. She even mocks their weakness.
Your love interest, Cake-Sensei, who your friend liked but who liked you instead (it's not clear if she knows the other guy likes her) is sacrificed by the main villain for his own aims while Lucifer is just fiddling you raw trying to make you think she's actually on his side when she's not even real (when she's with him, she really did get sacrificed though). As for why Lucifer chooses you, well it's a "prophecy made manifest" sort of deal since you never would have had the power if he did not first cultivate it in you, and he only did that because he saw potential in you, one of the last human beings remaining, to do it.

Nocturne is a horror JRPG where everything you like is perverted, ruined or killed and you have to punch a hole through your twisted friends and a five gods plus a sentient lightbulb to make it right again. The atmosphere is as thick as the narrative with betrayal, loss and just constantly oppressive despair. That's what makes the good ending so much more satisfying. It's a classic.

That you can't even tell an ounce of any of this shows you never played the game. I refuse to believe you went 50+hrs not paying attention to anything in the story. That's asinine.

when you get mega evolutions, you're FORCED to have a lucario in your party for the mega evolution tutorial, even if you already have a mega stone with the right pokemon fuck you I wanted to use my Aerodactyl
you wanna piss me off, just show me that fucking blue furbait faggot that couldn't beat a golem if it tried.

Also that is quite different from self-inserting yourself to take a character you like as your waifu, especially if that waifu is five years old.

dont forget that he was supposed to get laid to miss teen america before someone told the fat fag writer that people would crucify him for doing it

Don't know about "sue" but they did definitely shove and shill the fuck out of Lucario at some point, so you're right about that at the least.
Was so bad at one point that it gave me the feeling that someone on the staff was upset that Pikachu was the main mascot.

Wasn't there a entire DLC devoted to showing that Alistar was an incompetent fuck up who would have gotten everyone killed without the MC?