LGBT "Acceptance"

/leftpol/, how do we get younger right-wingers to stop caring about other folk's lifestyle choices? Is it gonna be another generational thing like with gay people?

It's obvious that the neoliberal approach has failed spectacularly. But at the risk of propagating IdPol, I don't think we ought to disregard the issue entirely.

Ignore internet people.

You can't. Until they mature more they'll project their insecurities onto everyone "worse" than them. I think the best be can do is give a solid pitch and those who will listen will listen, and maybe they'll revisit leftist philosophy when they're older. Otherwise what can you do?

yes. this is why idpol is a non issue and a waste of time

You can be a tranny but I'm not paying for your treatment, your drugs, or your eventual therapy, and I won't use your pronouns and I will discriminate against hiring you because of your unstable psyche.

What is wrong with this position?

Yes, we must make progress until we have progressed and live in a truly progressive world, filled with technological, economical, social and political progress.

Mostly the shitting up of our board because you're attention starved by the opposite sex.

If an unstable psyche is your problem with people, you're going to need to discriminate against a hell of a lot more people than trans people

In fact, probably yourself.

Not an argument; moreover, unlike you, I have a gf.

Is that you anfem?

post her feet

Your ad hom isn't very convincing and obviously the mentally stable are preferable to the unstable. Are you gonna make an argument or just shitpost as usual, pseud?

It's true. Wasn't me, however

If you're this far in the internet there is obviously something wrong with your brain.

And that's just it. It's only a health issue, and if it's only a health issue, I fail to see its relevance to singling out a demographic population who have a health issue like they're lepers.

In fact, I fail to see its relevance at all.

Why is she starving you of attention so much?

I did find it funny that I had out-anfem'd her just seconds before her reply.

inb4 300 posts of well-informed and respectful debate

Arguing for trans rights is harder than gay rights because with gay rights it's
and with trans rights its

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER LMAO!

I think you misspelled LGBTP

Another substanceless and embarrassing post. I can't remember the last time you made a half decent post.

You dont fall to their level and discuss identity politics seriously.

Point out how this is an artificial issue created by capitalists to divide the masses and keep people fighting each other

Is it any more without hyperbole like you post

You haven't made an argument

No, with trans rights it is 'my mental condition is my political identity and any medical intervention I feel goes against my political beliefs is now a hate crime'

First mistake bucko

Proto-altright fags being thinskinned faggots, who would have guessed.

Now google Murrary Bookchin and quit being a ower clutching faggot.

Begone

This for example is a great example of Holla Forums or moron who falls for identity politics

Hmm, I think you're lost fam, and moreover completely fucking retarded.

Nope

You are the one making it a political issue

Please do not fall for obvious Holla Forums b8, anyone who takes identity politics so seriously is not from here

Do not fall to their levels of autism

How dare they, these deplorables.
Puritans were famous for legislating morality. They had a morality based on scripture. You are a neo-puritan for wanting to legislate morality, though yours is based on the random state of contemporary culture, hence the neo. You are a crypto, because you pretend you are not in fact trying to do this. Or you do not even realize it, in which case PURE IDEOLOGY.

Make faggots stop bothering the 99.99%. I for one didn't give a shit about them until they started to whine all the time about everything. No, I won't call you a helicopter even if you surgically install a pair of air-to-air missiles. if it's air-to-ground though I might until I find a way to take you down

Can't change your chromosomes.

Truly they can't be saved

Thought you would have been able to parse the implications but,

Pretty clear to see how these don't mesh, and this is without getting into the trans issue or the fact that he's a mongoloid pollack

To my knowledge, it's the most effective treatment we have, and there isn't any conclusive evidence that those who remain severely affected by Gender Dysphoria & comorbidities like Depression were exacerbated by the transition itself.

Plus, the fact is Trans people suffer even more shitty forms of alienation under Capitalism than the rest of us, so it's not hard to imagine how you could remain fucked up after a life of bullshit

Truly nazbol is the Holla Forums flag

LGBQT*

This isn't fact, this is pure idpol bullshit

Fags do tend to be over-represented among fascist circles. We also know their supporters have acted to subvert the focus of the left on workers rights, meanwhile making excuses for their own characteristic decadence and wealth… I'm just saying…
Perhaps Stalin was onto something.

Yet another reason Stalin was an uncommunistic faggot

/thread

Hey Holla Forums, first day on leftypol I aee

Please elaborate lad

>>>/brit/

Their hatred of "special snowflakes" is just another kind of idpol. The similarity is most obvious when you use the "wrong" pronouns to refer to someone.

Sure, and I won't pay for your roads, your healthcare, or your security. Oh look, we're living in anarcho-capitalist "utopia".

Watch out, an idpoling SocDem is doing some idpol. Colour me surprised.

By "treatment" he probably means "hormone treatment", not "psychological treatment". People who go as far as cutting their balls are mentally ill, many kill themselves even after surgery. Look at the statistics on it, their suicide rate is very high compared to hetero or gays who do not want surgery.

Workerism is the worst kind of idpol tbh

In b4 it's because of

Is this a trap????

People who have tattoos are mentally ill. People who pierce their bodies are mentally ill. People who have their third nipple removed are mentally ill.

No they just have very poor taste.

is that a trap?

No

I am a bit concerned though regarding comrades' view on lgbqt being a sort of idpol manifestation. The LGBQT mega thread was deleted a few months back and not one comrade has created a new one. Starting to feel unwelcome or underrepresented here tbh.

then it's gay as fuck
only traps are allowed on leftypol

If you look at this user's post

I probably should have specified that I was talking about Hormones + GRS and split those two up, my bad

Also transhumance is a mental illiness because replacing parts with superior cyborg parts is bad cuz lul some nature cuck is triggered

I'm glad you agree that the common definition of mental illness is completely arbitrary and principally based on the unsubstantiated beliefs of the prevailing culture.

As a general rule, if there's a disagreement between the brain and the body, the brain takes priority. We don't declare people mentally ill because they were born with a cleft palate and want surgery to change their body.

Back to Holla Forums

Yup, this thread wouldn't have been made if we had a cyclical and would effectively kill off any of those idpol accusations because they can just leave the cyclical if they're uncomfortable with discussion regarding lgbt.

In principle I support LGBT rights, but I find it funny how they're so quick to try and pull the ladder up behind them. How would you feel about a LGBQTP general?

I think a general is good idea and would bring in some comrades that might not have joined. Also, it allows people to vent so they won't bring the idpol into other threads.

This is most likely a Holla Forums b8 thread, their latest trend is trying to push idpol by pretending to be serious about more controversial subjects, controverisial mostly because we are filled with polacks and "converts" like nazbols

Come on, man, at least present the guy an argument that doesn't topple at the slightest wind.

A cleft palate is a small, cosmetic change. Biologically speaking a "trans woman" is never going to be fully trans with the current state of medical technology. The fact that a "trans vagina" is essentially an open wound that needs to consistently be re-opened should be a good enough sign that it's abnormal. Paired with the disproportionate amount of mental instabilities and suicide rates in the "trans community" it's clear that people ought to be holding off on these types of procedures.

And it's not like this can be attributed to the social unit and it's impact on the individual. Just look at people like David Reimer.

LGBT is pure idpol but I'm not opposed to keeping contained in a general

back to elementary school

Does not exist. Your body goes with your brain. Maybe something is wrong with either or both, but it is never "a" or "the" wrong body. Transsexuals have an illness that we should try to cure, but all of this "becoming who you truly are" crap is just that. That's why the trans cultural movement is largely nonsense, it makes as much sense as a cancer-patient movement.

Yeah, it's strange they have the quotations around 'Acceptance'. However, there are a lot of derails with shouts of idpol that happen whenever comrades bring up issues related to LGBQT so I think there would be a benefit if there was a general or cyclical.

You are my comrade, and I will treat you as I would another. I will speak to you as I would to another.

Having major cosmetic surgery given current technology is stupid. You'll get no argument from me there. Declaring it a mental illness just because it is ill-advised is even more stupid though.

I'm so glad you've proven that it is impossible for the brain to have a self-image which disagrees with the physical reality of the body. All of those people with congenital physical disabilities will be so glad to know that they are mentally ill if they want anything changed. Just out of interest, where's the article you and your research team published that proved this? I really want to see your complete description of how the brain works.

There were 4 sides to GG
1. The people who did wrong
2. The people who called them out
3. People who believed the lies of 1 and attacked 2
4. The people who believed thes lies of 1 and joined 2.
Eventually the lie that GG was a right wing movement brought in a bunch of dipshits and pushed out everyone who was originally a part of it. The great irony being that the crooks who made up that lie actually strengthened the alt right by creating a boogey man.

I don't dispute this. I only dispute what it means. It means the brain, part of the body, is diseased. Maybe chemicals can cure it. Maybe chemicals can ameliorate the symptoms. Maybe surgery can.

You are more than your current-moment brain, you are your entire being from birth until now. To say that your body is somehow "wrong" is ridiculous. You'd simply have a disease causing your self-image to be off.

It's not just that though, I can understand where the other user is coming from. I think to call it a mental disorder is fitting as the mind is no longer in harmony with the physical body. Now, from face value, three things can come about from this.

1. The person can learn to live with these ideas and perhaps worsen mentally.
2. The person can risk an operation which they may end up regretting (which is a common scenario) and they may mentally worsen.
3. The person can seek mental health professionals and further diagnoses since these trans thoughts often derive from other symptoms such as chemical imbalance

Of course, further options exist but honestly all this seems to be is people wanting to defy their biological presets which is an unhealthy practice. These people from a definition ought to be classified as having a mental disorder. No one can look at themselves, look at their DNA, and then go "Yup, female" while being a male biologically, and have everyone think that's a health mindset.

The body is wrong, it is shitty, it is inefficient, it is badly designed.

To masturbate over some moral purity of the body is retarded, people,own themselves, an thus are free to do whatever they want to their body

Their action their consequence

How? Nazis are implicity homos.

I know you are just trolling because of your shitty strawman, but I'll elaborate a bit.

If we could devellop a chemical that could make trans people stop thinking they should be a diffrent sex, that would cure them. If this were to exist, any other treatment would be cruel, pointless, and possibly a waste of resources and lives.

Perhaps today the best approach to this disease are hormones and surgery, sure. But don't mistake the thing itself: the wrong self image is the disease.

What nonsense, never once do I mention moral purity. I'm simply stating a cold fact: the problem with trans people is in their self image. Not the body, the self image. The body works just fine at processing food into shit, at producing sperm or releasing eggs, etc. (In b4 intersex).

The material is more important than the subjective. Are you even a fucking materialist?

Pol plz, lurk more

You have to go back.

>>>Holla Forums

The body can be improved with a shitton of tech improvements because it is full of inefficiencies.

People have the right to own their body and do what they want with it, telling people what to do with their own body is like a fascist state telling you he w to live your life.

Let them live with the consequences of their actions, either they are happy or hey will be not

Alright, birth defects aren't defects. That should free up some hospital beds.

Nobody says they are physically female. The point is that they have a deep-rooted desire to become physically female. Given that it's spooky as fuck to try and dictate which desires are okay and which ones are somehow "wrong", we can't declare them mentally ill.

Would you call people mentally ill for wanting to go base jumping - a far more risky and stupid thing to do?

If we could simply transfer their mind to a cloned body of the opposite gender without any complications, that would also be a perfect cure. If both options were available, I can guess which one they'd pick.
Aren't hypothetical situations fun?

Within the limits established for the common good.

Plus, you also seem to want the community to pay for your shitty self-determination projects. Maybe we should have the NHS/equivalent in your country pay for your tattoos too.

If they interfere with normal functioning, they are defects. That's self evident.
Piss off you coward. If we're going to decide how to distribute resources, we fucking well should. What project of self determination gets funded?

Why pay for reassignment surgery and not free base jumping courses?

Which they simply can't do. Unless they plan on reconstructing the very cells of their bodies they'll always be their preset sex.

That's the difference between wishing to be trans and people wishing to go base jumping. One is physically possible, the other isn't. One is a simple action you can take, the other is defiance of your genetic code.

As it stands, riskier to base jump? Doubtful.
Stupider to base jump? No, because at the very least it's possible.

alienation is much more complicated than being ostracized.

For a long time humans couldn't fly. Clearly everyone who tried before the Wright Brothers was mentally ill and needed to be given anti-psychotics to deal with their death wish.

Also, you really don't need to reconstruct individual cells. You are not your DNA. Let's say someone came up with a therapy which could give you effective immortality. Would you go around complaining "well it's not real immortality because my DNA isn't that of an immortal person"? This is some real Holla Forums-tier stupidity.

That's a good question. Base jumping is hardly resource intensive, so I see no reason why it shouldn't be free under communism. There'll be plenty of people able to give training.

For those who are ostracised it isn't

And humans still can't fly, only vehicles. You starting the see the difference here yet?

You can't change those nifty chromosomes you were given at birth, friend. And all you're doing with your "therapy" is furthering your chemical imbalances.

Why can't you make a coherent comparison that doesn't topple over like a house of cards in a hurricane? HRT doesn't "make you the opposite sex" it just makes you a chemically imbalanced, unnatural person.

That's a cop-out. We are not under communism today. Yet, the transsexuals and their advocates are asking to have their self determination project funded anyway.

So why the fuck should it, if we are not yet under communism? Either you can advocate communism, or you can muh privilege transsexuals over all others. To fight for transsexuals to have this right before communism is established, is to muh privilege them. I don't think we should.

I'd call you a faggot if you didn't already self-identify as a tranny.

You disagree?

By the time the workers will get any rights, there won't be any workers.

shitposting flag

Nice semantics. I'm sure you'll appreciate being told that neither guns nor bullets actually kill you when you're up against the wall.

Yet. As I say though, your obsession with genetics over everything else makes you sound a bit too much like the "race realists". Genetics are just a bit of code. If we can get the same results by bypassing it, let's do it.

You think I'm defending HRT? Current medicine is shit in general. It's like trying to repair a computer with a blow torch and a pair of jumper cables. A lack of technology does not make something a mental illness. It just means that people who opt for surgery and HRT are desperate and arguably lack good judgment.

Better not fight for worker's rights either. After all, communism isn't here yet.
Anyway, you seem to think I'm arguing for a lot of things I'm not. Medicine should be purely evidence based. Treatments should be offered if they improve quality of life, and dropped if they don't. Real scientists should determine which ones work.
I also think the class war is more important. It affects orders of magnitude more people and to a greater extent.

The only thing I'm actually saying is that it's spooky as fuck to call it a mental illness.

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You're probably not wrong actually.
You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

It isn't, you just don't understand what mental illness is.

I think I'm beginning to understand. Is it something along the lines of "things that seem icky and weird and creep me out".

No. Take clinical depression. Classic case or a mental illness.

Why is it spooky to put transsexualism in a category with this?

Because one of them gets better when you change the brain and the other gets better when you change the body?

and I'm going to pre-empt your response by pointing out, once again, that a lack of technical capability does not change the underlying nature of reality.

Really now? Hormones don't alter the brain?

I support trannies cutting their dicks off it's eugenical.

I agree. that's why I used the hypothetical example of a drug that would make transsexual self perception disappear.

If it existed, it would be the right thing to use to treat it.

HRT is a piss poor solution to the problem and doesn't work half the time.

Did you read my response to that? Go and read it again, then let me offer another response:
Why don't we apply that technology to everyone? I mean, anyone who objects to capitalism is suffering, so let's cure them. Let's cure the people who don't want to work 18 hour days in the mines. Let's cure the people who get upset by their children being cured, because only an insane person would object to proper medical care. Let's cure the criminals who fight our just and benevolent government.
You can solve any problem by just making people think it isn't a problem, since the very definition of problem is subjective.

In fact, I finally see the problem is the fundamental incompatibility between a belief that the universe somehow has preordained rules on what actions are correct and the belief that individuals have freedom to choose arbitrary goals. Obviously anyone who believes in the existence of objectively correct goals will declare that anyone who does not share the same goals must be mentally ill. Arguing in this situation is as pointless as arguing about religion.
Have fun being wrong.

I just call it how I see it.

Why go on bothering to defend them? It is not your job as a leftist to do so.
Your focus should be on workers rights, not protecting pansies and crazy people.
This distraction has only served to corrupt and distract the left from its true purpose.

Leave protecting homosexuals to the liberals, they will always be around to do it.

Ya know what the problem is that no one ever addresses. These lgbt people have such tunnel vision on their 'identities' that rather than being anti-"conservative values", anti-fascist, so on and so forth, the sole and only motivation for their votes and their political activism is who agrees more with what they like to do in the bedroom.

Compare that to, say for instance, Democrat voters who also own and/or rent guns at the firing range. Theres not a whole lot of them but they do in fact exist. The numbers of democrat gun owners probably rivals or comes close to the numbers in the lgbt communities.

And some of them are really adamant about guns. For instance I own a mosin and I fucking love to be larpy with it at the range, enough that I could say that I am passionate about it. And yet if I took what I like to do in my free time, a thing that a shit load of people dont agree with and cringe at and give me all sorts of shit for, and made it my most important issue I probably would have voted for shithead-in-chief.

Im not saying they should be ostracized or anything like that but such a large group of die-hard single issue voters is easily steered towards capitalist parties when all they have to say is "we accept gay and lesbian people and all genders! Oh and long live monopolistic capitalism!"

It's a problem that needs to be addressed.

Here you go being a moralist again. The question is simple: should we pay for your self-determination project? If it's an illness, I could understand why we should. But if it's just self-determination, then that will have to wait a bit because FALC is simply not there yet.

But anyway, it is a mental illness, like depression, and we in fact already treat it by means that alter the brain, hormones, like depression. The only difference is that the people taking hormones sometimes also get surgery. But note: all people who do surgery, also do hormones. The mind alteration is primary.

No, fuck off Holla Forums, and take your concern trolling with you.

That asshole does have a point though. At what point does body modification negatively impact the collective?

When they ask the community to pay for it, for one.

The hormones aren't taken to "correct" the brain. The main purpose of hormones in HRT is the change the body. A trans person doesn't take hormones for the gender they were born as because they already produce those hormones.

I'm fine with it waiting until after we reach FALC. There are a lot bigger concerns in the short term. I'm not entirely sure why you draw a distinction between medical problems and all other problems, but I guess that's just an example of one of those bigger concerns.

>I disagree Holla Forums

It's funny how they're expected to give all their labor time for the community, but the community isn't expected to give anything back. I think there's actually a word for that kind of arrangement, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

It's not like you can reduce body modification to a 1-dimensional scale. The only proper answer is "when it starts to negatively impact the collective". I guess making yourself naturally secrete nerve gas would be one example, but there might be a couple of others.

Clear communication.

They get the same thing back as everyone else. But you would give them free sex changes to boot. If it's to fix an illness, I can see some moral obligation. But just for your egoistic enjoyment, self determination? Fuck that, you can't spook me into doing that.

EL GEE BEE TEE PLUZZZ

So this hypothetical communist society doesn't have enough spare resources for anyone to spend on personal hobbies or projects? It is producing exactly as much as is required to sustain the current population and no more?

We are not today living in this society. Yet they get this thing now.

Right. Go and protest against it if it makes you so angry. The rest of us will focus on actual fucking leftism.

However much it is, it will be about the same for everyone.

Militating for idpol is not actual fucking leftism.

Good point. I'm glad you admit that by being the last person arguing you are in fact a fucking retard.

Thread summary: literature-deficient leftists are embarrassed because the overly simplistic model they imagined can't deal with complex wants and needs that differ from individual to individual. Rated PG Parental Guidance: morality spooks.

Also a few people (OP) who seem not to understand the point of making and enjoying off-colour jokes.

aka: Gay marriage now, income equality maybe tomorrow

Glad I could help.

More like automation now, revolution maybe tomorrow.

But you're comparing apples to oranges. Again.

Oooooh, sorry, looks here that you can't! It seems that injecting yourself with hormones and getting a botch surgery (the best that money has to offer) still does not give you the basic functions of the opposing sex. Darn.

The fact that your brain is not in adherence to the reality of the matter, that these people have a number of mental instabilities alongside their identity crisis which often leads to them killing themselves, and so on, should most definitely declare themselves unfit. I do not see us reclassifying schizophrenia or multiple-personality disorder to a "social construct" any time soon yet both of these things are in line with believing you belong to the opposite gender when every last thing about you says otherwise.

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It's funny that anyone who disagrees with you must be trans.

what

It's just typical thin skinned faggotry
These people are so focused on not being an SJW the mere implication that maybe they're being a douche to someone is proof you're a Tumblrina.

They will stop caring once those other folk stop trying to force their lifestyles onto society as a whole. These people are no better than theocratic bible thumpers.

Homosexuals came out of the closet about their homosexuality. Now they are coming out as their true fascist selfs. A lot of people are against that but they are just being fashphobic bigots who hate anyone who is different.

Never thought I would miss them.
The world was so much simpler back then. We were the good guys, the wild ones who just want to have fun.
And they were the anti-fun baddies, who want to take away your music, your games and your porn.

That's not what history tells us.

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Fun fact: Stalin actually liked to draw detailed portraits of naked men, then scrawl rude comments about his own drawings in the margins. If that ain't the mark of a closeted homo, I dunno know what is.

You appear to be missing a key point: Being transsexual is not a mental illness; Gender Dysphoria (discontent with your gender), is.

To these people, procedures like HRT aren't capstones on the path to self-actualization, but rather a necessary step towards security in one's own body. Given that severe cases can spiral into a nasty depression, and that it's been registered in the DSM for quite some time, I struggle to imagine a leftist society that -wouldn't- treat it as a mental health issue.

c'mon bro. This is pol-tier.

It's an obsession. These are like the people who try to saw off their leg because they think it's fake or something. They need to be freed of the obsession and made to accept themselves as they are, not encouraged in their madness. Not filled up with these unhealthy hormone pills or be allowed to mutilate themselves. That's not empathy, it's taking an insane person on their word and letting them destroy themselves.

Yeah, okay. You do realize there's a difference between modifying your body and maiming yourself, right?

I feel like you could make a jarringly-similar argument in favor of conversion therapy for gay folks. Unless you'd advocate that, too?

pol pls go

Not him, but that's not really the same. Homosexuality isn't some state of being unhappy that they're straight, whereas gender dysmorphia is a state of being unhappy that you're whatever sex you were born as. I'm for whatever treatment fixes their unhappiness, but I'm very doubtful that that treatment is surgery and hormones to change their body, since other body dysmorphia isn't treated in the same way, but instead with talk therapy.

1.Removing your genitals is mutilation, don't sugar coat it. Anyone who isn't blind can see what goes on in one of those surgeries. It's no less of a mutilation than female circumcision.
2.Leave a homosexual alone and they will be content. Leave one of these gender dysphoria people alone and they will not be. The difference is one is troubled by society, while the other is troubled by their own mind.

Originally LGBT got accepted slowly as Idpol waned and LGBT people were able to go out and show themselves as normal people.
Basically, we do what we've wanting to do, kill Idpol.

Is that a fact or is it just the impression you've gotten? As someone with dysphoria I want to be left the fuck alone, transgender people are being used as a distraction and scapegoat by the people in power, none of the things that people are publicly doing on our behalf recently are things we've asked them to do.

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so you mean right wing people

Does anyone have homophobic incident stats between US and Russia?
Because if they are close it really says how all that lgbt fight talk is useless and the more you talk the more you divide the people with this idpol subject.

The subject is idpol, not the fucking gay person. but Holla Forumstards cant separate the 2sadly

If everyone keeps throwing a hissy fit when transsexuals are called mentally ill, this will be difficult.

And state funding to treat your illness, and likely, to be publicly treated as being a different sex than you are.

Wow, you like shitty things.

A lot of lgbt people ~are~ anti-"conservative values" and further left, tho. Like it's fairly common for blanket LGBT media to go after Republicans, racists, and conservatives in general. And also there are the noted conservative/republican lgbt groups.

To be fair, I think there's something to be said about leftist LGBTers shilling for shitty Democrats and shit-tier incoherent IdPol. A gay hippie amongst other gay hippies here wrote a long, godawful pro-Clinton rant about "feminine spirituality" or something and with that kind of posi-smug dismissive attitude towards the very real problems with Clinton's policies.

I knew ones who voted Green, though.

Guns have never faced a national ban. Owning a gun could never get you lobotomized if you were caught with it. Owning guns was not ruled a right in the US in the early 2000s.

I'm not sure if American gun clubs have faced cop raids and a disproportionate amount of police stings into recent memory, but gay clubs and bars have. And a friend of mine fell into a police sting targeted on a gay site last year - a clumsy trap, too, I won't say he's not a creep or a fool but he never agreed to anything besides meeting. Ironically, it was before the election and he seemed kind of excited about Trump.

I'm a leftist and I believe in socialized medicine, that means covering all serious issues whether those be physical or mental.

A big issue is they try to get to LGBT people young with IdPol under the guise of acceptance in the face of an uncaring or even hateful public. The larger community which has most often been infected then convinces them the outside hates them. From there they can be easily steered into whatever position is convenient. So long as society as a whole continues to be seen as unwelcoming I think the only thing that can be done is to create LGBT communities that rely less on idpol and more on encouraging people to go out into the world.

stalin would slay you trannies and I am with him on that 100%

WeW who would have thought

Cmon I thought you retards were better than this.

We got many new members who need to remember that idpol is just a dividing tool, most people here dont have problems with minorities, gays or whatever because we are all workers, Holla Forums on the other hand does, so that is an easy way to identify them when they start going full idpol.

The right thing is to not engage and just call them out for being idpol or Holla Forums

You're not going to be able to find any meaningful data regarding homophobic incidents, especially across countries. Even just hate crime statistics are deeply flawed because the majority of hate crimes simply don't get reported, and fluctuations of hate crime statistics can easily be caused by changes in willingness to report them instead of actual incidents of hate crimes.

Historically, the best way to get people to unspook themselves is to improve their material conditions.

Healthcare is a human right, and that includes mental health.