How do we fix the middle East ?

Democratic confederalism is the only way.

Stop supporting the ignorant brain dead Arabs and turks.

Wait what? Redpill me on Ba'athism.

This
although if the baath can get their shit together and put a serious platform out again I'd accept that too

Its shit

It's an ideology that combines pan-Arabism with socialism.

Pan Arab nationalism mixed with a bit of socialism

Created by this guy called Nasser

It may be shit but it is infinitely better than salafist psychopathy

Pan Arab social nationalism, what Assad had going on shortly before the Syrian civil war was fairly watered down however.

Assad and the ba'ath before the civil war were a shadow of their former selves not just watered down.
Practically neo lib in some cases

It looks like arab-flavored Nazbolism.

Pretty much

Though the idea of a United Arab state is pretty good seeing as how the us as well as some backwards Islamic nutjobs are constantly fucking people in the mid East

Basically
At this point I'd take ba'athism over those fucking insane wahabbis
That being said Democratic confederalism should be spread throughout the middle East tbh

Why not a mixture of both ?

Yeah I was just putting it lightly

Huh. Saddam might actually be one of the good guys. No wonder they hit him twice.

Saddam was a US shill and opportunist up until the Kuwait fiasco. Hafez al Assad and Nasser are way better examples.

Start with better education. Half of muslims cant even read

Good point. I'll read up.

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Whoa there laddie

Why should we? "Fixing" the middle east is anarkiddie reformism at its finest. Instead, try reading some actual theory.

except Nasser drove out the actual socialists

we get the fuck out of it

Good point, we should genocide all Zionist kikes.

I just want to trigger third worldist revisionists tbqh fam, just watch.

Nasser was definitely a mixed bag
And like I've said I realize ba'athism is relatively shit tier compared to Democratic confederalism
But again I'll take ba'athism any day over Nusra and ISIS faggotry

Establish a European Caliphate and allow unrestricted migration.

Atheism

you are cancer

religion must go, completly

But Ba'athism is explicitly secular though. That's the only good thing about it.

Go away New Atheist faggot.

You are an idiot.

No, it's not. Don't pretend like it's secular.

It's mostly just a rulebook for rich oil barons.
Support social programs with oil revenues to keep the proletariat oppressed.

It IS secular Jesus Hitchens go back to your coffin

It's explicitly secular. Why do you think Saddam and Assad spent so much time fighting Islamists? Why do you think they wanted to overthrow Ba'athist regimes?

And this means Baathism isn't secular because…?

Define secularism.

We don't we leave it alone.
We leave it the fuck alone.

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I actually meant atheist.

I said in my first post that religion is one of the major problems that need to be combated.

There needs to be an ACTIVE effort to deconstruct religion.
It doesn't matter if the goverment of Assad themselves is secular is the fucking society is still very islamic.

Dude this is a bad take. Rethink this.

I used to live in the Middle East, and I agree it’s very spooked by religion, but “deconstructing religion” as a priority is as liberal as you can get.

Don't.
Get out. Stop siding with people and get out.

Ba'athism is shit. It's an authoritarian, nationalist, class-collaborationist ideology. Its only pros are its modernizing and secular tendencies. There exist some deluded leftists who will just go and support anything if it calls itself "anti-imperialist".

"Arab Socialism" is as socialistic as "[email protected]/* */ Socialism" i.e. not at all.

agreed that Nasser tier is way better than those, I'm just lashing out that those are the choices we have

yeah that's pretty much the opposite of how you get proles on your side

read history about russia

this muh bro

of course it's only one priority

I just critized Ba'athism.

Yeah
Godamnit the leftism in the middle East was so vibrant and strong but the US and Saudi just systematically anahiliated it

You have no idea how hard I roll my eyes at Egyptians I know telling me how Sisi is back as the great second coming of Nasser.

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

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Ba'athism was started by Michel Aflaq not Nasser.

Don't just get western countries out

problem solved

Only bootlickers comrade, tell them I said that, sis is just an extension of mubarak, the point is he keeps islamists in check which is something we need at the moment, therefore no one is rising against him ,even though the current economical crisis in the country because of his shitty decisions.

when islamists are dealt with , there will be another revolution against sisi, it may take years but will happen sooner or later.
he is a shitty leader and everyone knows it.

Designate Assad god emperor of the entire MENA region.

Colonel Gaddafi had it figured out. THEY didn't like that.

I agree, I lately understood the guy, used to think he was crazy.
turns out he was the sanest guy in the room.
heil Gaddafi

GOOD NIGHT SWEET PRINCE

youtube.com/watch?v=PSRw4WM4tl0

he was killed by zionsit rothchilds.

baathism with democratic confederalism characteristics

Let Russia and China take over.

Make islam in to the kind of lukewarm barely-religious version of itself that christianity has become.