Nazbols are identitarians and class collaborationists...

and so we should go the way of Holla Forums and other ironically nazi communities?

why do autistic retards not give a shit about ironic nazis? should our board go criticism is the road to a better Holla Forums

Trots are worse, though

This, kill all Trots after revolution.

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and yet they are still forced into the same productive relationship and the same societal contradiction persist they just have different names and different explanations.

You've just bought into the justifications and espouse a reactionary and identitarian line.

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You can't even articulate why trots are worse than nazbols. You can however defend literal russian nazis.

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Just give that one nazbol poster a >spooks and contuinue discussing less irrelevant shit

Trots are like cells, they multiply through splitting

You're all chucklefucks who make pretend you can do away with millennia of ingrained tribalism because it runs contrary to your 19th century internationalism intended for French, German, and English factory workers.

Trots are just mad because NazBols have fucked up their 80 year program to slick entry into global proletariat once we realized it was just plain retarded.

I asked you to explain to me why why they would value class consciousness over Allah.

You made the claim that if they are offered a better future they would assimilate, presumably because people want better things. I provided you with concrete examples of how they have been offered a better one yet they don't care. You cannot explain that.
Your rhetoric boils down to "they will value socialism over Islam because they will see socialism is better". Again, why would they do this if they have already demonstrated they don't care for a better life if it means abandoning Islam?

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You need to go back

Nationalism is rational in the face of uncontested neo-liberalism.

you have never met a millenial arab have you? do you know what the arab spring is?

liberal democracy/western capitalism=/ giving up islam. you're retarded

millions of retarded russian peasants gave up their reactionary religion and muslims will do the same. why do you conflate islam with sharia anyway? most muslim majority nations are not ruled by sharia and most muslim communities reject sharia.

basically you don't understand your own history.

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This tbh

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movement must be international, like the working class.

Have you? Most of the ones I've met still take Islam very seriously and go to mosque weekly. The "moderate" ones who smoke a lot of weed still avoid alcohol and pork like the plague and are aware they need to "clean up their act" eventually.

Oh and they're constantly doing mental contortions about how most terrorist attacks are justified all the same.

Incoherent coalition of mutually exclusive groups all vying for top dog within a sovereign state is not the same as a minimal set of consistent cultural values within sovereign state itself. Kys you invalid. We've been over this. There's nothing inconsistent about it. What you think is feasible is a pure pipe dream, and no one takes it seriously.

no they didnt
the state suppressed it didnt it?
besides Christianity has a weaker hold on the psyche than islam

Exactly. Capitalism requires ever closer global union (at least as far as the movement of people, goods and moneies goes). Nationalism is the spanner in the works.

they'll use the America is terrorising muslims excuse as a casius belli to inflict war and violence upon the entire Western world
the more literate ones will use the crusades as a mental excuse
never mind the fact the crusades began some 600 years after they started invading and conquering semi-autonomous Christian Roman provinces

The vast majority of Muslims are not millennial Arabs, and even so they are offspring of the rich.
CIA operation that led to more poverty and more radicalization.
Christians integrate and recognize the merits of socialism.
centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
51% percent of them in the US prefer Sharia. It's not possible to get a grasp on how many of them support it in the ME.

Once again, you try to squirm away from a very simple question. Why would Muslims forsake Allah for communism? This is the 3rd time I have asked you. Someone help this trot out.

What sort of nationalism though? Nation as a state, or nation as a people? Nationalism as a form of patriotism, or as a form of ethnic pride? Ethnic pride as a love of your ethnicity, or as a hatred, fear or sense of superiority above of all others?

NWO thought moving ahead with their globalised super state plans where they the 1% live in luxury above the rest didnt consider this nationalist wave
I've seen Juncker say that the will of the people is not in line with this new wave of populism their new favourite word for it
retarded really since the very definition of the word is the will or appeal of the ordinary people

I shit you not, I cannot wait til we do what has to be done with these traitors. Hell, if you guys will let me lead a firing squad I'll get a tattoo of Marx on my forehead.

so we should ignore capitalists outside our own nation?

or we should only fight foreign capital?

For me, its a desire for the best for your nation and people.

Are you guys aware that class is a spook?

Agree completely fuck NazBols I dont understand the apologism and am worried it's Holla Forums

Yes. Do something that works and show them there is another way. If people want to join you, so be it. If not then let them lie in their bed.

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there is a clear difference here I've seen
white nationalism in america and zionism in israel/america is more of the latter in my experience
whereas in Europe its more of the former

you said it
countries that noticeably didnt suffer 'democratic uprisings' were Saudi Arabia and Iran countries either allied with the US or non-accessible to their reach
or countries like Morocco where theres no strategic advantage to rebellion
Libyan oilfields? Arab spring in Libya
Egyptian military threatening Israel? Arab spring in Egypt
Syria engaging in oil pipeline to Iran breaking Israeli/Saudi/Turkish control of the oil pipelines in the ME? Arab spring in Syria

USSR tried this and it failed. you're a retard.

if the nationalists in Europe get their way Junckers going to end up hanging from a lampost

Juncker literally works side by side with international bankers to help them maintain capitalism.

btw love of your people is called patriotism, not nationalism.

Are you going to answer my question or just ignore it? I expected a serious discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly

I know
the evil fucking shit would consign millions of innocents to the meat grinder for extra shekels
the next big war on the agenda before Trump got into power was Juncker forming an EU army from the Dutch, French, Austrian, German and Belgian armed forces and driving it East towards Ukraine to start shit with Russia

patriotism and the moniker patriot is a dirty word coopted by colonial rebels tbh
I dont support the state in any sense of the word

No it really isn't. Nationalism can mean a lot of things, Mahatma Gandhi, Adolf Hitler, the FLQ, they're all Nationalists, but not all in the same ways. Nationalism is a lot more complex than many portray it, as it is not tied to Left or Right politics, nor does it lean Left or Right. Patriotism is simply pride or love for your country, which is a simple idea that is more prominent in Right-politics than Left-politics, though there are certainly Leftist Patriots.

who says that nationalists can't work/cooperate with other nationalities?
leftist nationalist countries could work together to spread the revolution.
dumb trot

funnily enough nationalist cooperation is exactly whats hammering the nails into the coffin of the EU
Russia and the USA now both despise the EU
there was a summit in France or Belgium something like last week where the nationalist party leaders for the Netherlands, Germany and France met and discussed how best to destroy the EU
if all goes the way they want it we could see Europe being a collection of independent states again working in cooperation and mutual prosperity with Putins Russia and Trumps America
then the target would eventually move to China and Xi Jinping and his how he plans to use a mix of Chinese CCP approved nationalism and globalization to turn Africa into a Chinese colony and to irreparably break the democracies of the west with forced migrations

IDK how it's done exactly, but Gaddafi did it pretty good.

Gaddaffi didnt manage shit
he suppressed islamic rebels for decades with death squads
as soon as he got the CIA treatment Libya was overrun with islamists and now the countries in control of three different war lords

Gaddafi? The very same Gaddafi who had half of his appeal revolve around sponsoring terrorism against Israel and the other half around a uniquely "Islamic" brand of communism? The very same Gaddafi who even after building one of the most generous welfare states in the world STILL ended being sodomised with a knife by camel fucking Islamic primitives?

The USSR supported international revolution (in their own image) wherever they could, the exact opposite of what I'm suggesting.

Kek. How did I know that you'd be one of those leftists who excuses or denies CIA fuckery?

Magically conjured no. Shone a spotlight on a vocal, islamists minority and painted them as 'democratic revolutionaries' absolutely.

So it's fair to say that strongman>>>islamists? Finally, something we agree on.

This. American centered Globalization is falling apart and they are very butt hurt about it.

NazBols are memes, but Trots are one of the main factors holding back the first world left atm.

You're full of shit. You and your le shitposting culture is what is ruining the left, none of you have read any books, none of you participate in organizing, and none of you use your knowledge to educate other proles.

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nazbol is a meme lol

Junkers actually had factories in the USSR before the Nazis rose to power.

didnt think he was that old and how is being a bourgeoisie capitalist factory Owner in the Soviet Union as well as most of Western Europe make him ok

Soviets were working with conservative revolutionaries.

Junckers not a revolutionary in any sense
hes one of the fattest pigs in Europe sitting on a throne of blood soaked gold