Requesting WEBM Drama Incoming So, this guy played Sonic Forces and it looks like sonic forces is a game that is bad on purpose, maybe it seems that way to cater to the SA crowd, who knows. He's get a getting a lot of shit for saying this though.
I want to like this game, but I'm more excited about Mania and Odyssey, honestly.
Remember when people who talked about games could articulate the issues they had problems with in the game play?
What's a real eye opener is watching old gamespot videos and seeing these nerdy fucks actually break down the gameplay.
Henry Parker
You fuck off, I requested a WEBM for a reason you shit eating retard.
Christopher Rogers
Disliked your video, WebM or fuck off ya frick
Nolan Wilson
>>>/reddit/
Grayson Adams
Pretty much. It gives the opposing team the upper hand when they critize the way he doesn't go into detail, while I agree with him, it just seems that he doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. That's a big issues with people who try and criticise, they don't have a proper way of expression, they don't go in-depth and pick it apart bit by bit, they don't even get close.
A lot of these people are very CLOSE to the devs/company themselves for fucks sake, that's a reason why a lot of games are all crap, because they don't know what specific parts they need to fix/improve and they mainly listen to "Professional" reviewers who have a WORSE way of expression than someone who is more wordly and analytical.
Ian Stewart
Agreed with basically everything he said except for "muh Colors" and "muh annoying Sonic's friends". Colors wasn't that good, and it was bizarre to see him praise the 3D sections when the game is like 80% 2D and those sections are basically "Mario-Lite". (Which is to say, boring and blocky. There's a reason why this style works for Mario and not Sonic. A lesson that Sonic Team refuses to learn.) The "annoying friends" bit was dumb too because all the friends are relegated to the sidelines and only chatter at you in stage which I think you turn off, I'm not sure. I would imagine it's like other Modern Sonic games where you don't have to deal with story related stuff on subsequent playthroughs. Either way, even if it's annoying it's far from Forces' biggest issue and I think focusing too much on things like this sends Sonic Team the wrong message.
That said, the broad strokes of what he was saying is spot on. Modern Sonic is too much about spectacle and not enough about actual gameplay. I'm glad that normalfags are finally waking up to this. I also hope that even if it doesn't sell as well, Mania will be the critical darling and Forces will be shat on in general except for the more autistic Sonic fans. Sadly, it would mean that Sonic Team would take all the wrong lessons from this and instead of re-evaluating how they approach Modern Sonic from the ground up, they'll simply make MORE of the game 2D and put in MORE nostalgia bait.
Yes, Sonic Team is that tone deaf. We've been dealing with this kind of horseshit for over a decade. Being an oldSonicfag is suffering. Especially since the younger more autistic Sonicfags don't see what the big deal with holding down X to go fast for 2 minutes while occasionally jumping is and are far more interested in why Shadow is a bad guy in Forces. God help us.
Tyler Butler
FRIENDLY REMINDER SONIC WAS NEVER GOOD OUTSIDE OF THE FIRST ORIGINAL 3 GAMES AND ADVENTURE 2
Maybe advanced,rush are worth playing, but the rest are all, utter shit
Logan Butler
I liked the way SA1 handled the chao garden more.
Samuel Harris
FRICKING FRICK
Thomas Williams
Nigger, you had better be including S&K as part of Sonic 3 when you say "Original 3."
Don't even bother with that frick.
Isaac Flores
into the trash
Joshua Cook
As easy as it is to believe Sega is making a bad game on purpose, every developer does now, it's even easier for me to speculate this guy is making an intentionally vague, poorly worded and poorly cited video on purpose to weaken the defenses of any critics this game would have. You have to realize game marketing budgets go far beyond billboards and ads.
Henry Cook
To this day I hate how they redrew him during that era.
Connor Ortiz
The only reason they were good was chao garden, the rest was assssssss. SA was like the "Ocarina of Time" for sonicfags.
What Sonic Team needs to learn is that you have to go all the way with a project. I feel like they're dipping their toes in the water and not taking a dive, they're trying to re-invent the wheel and making a square instead, a square that doesn't lead anywhere.
The fact that they've openly said "The Avatar can't look cooler than sonic" also depresses the hell out of me, why would you limit a users creativity on a character? Sonic is not going to be replaced by some shitty OC damn it! Just let your fans unleash their entire autism on it and make their dream come true.
When he said "Changes are cosmetic", my heart sank as well, I was hoping the type of animal you chose would allow you to use varied kinds of power, for example, the rabbit would jump higher, the wolf would have a higher attack rate, the bird would have bigger distance, etc.
It speaks volumes about how much they crippled the OC characters, to the point where they look uninteresting, not to mention their role is most likely going to be something minimalistic. I'm going to type up a storm in a bit, give me a moment.
Grayson Jackson
I just want Sonic Brainfarts to come back.
Lucas Gomez
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Brayden Moore
1/3rd of the game was good. Which was shadow/sonic. That's 33.33%, the chao garden is roughly 15% That's still 48%. I still have fond memories of the other levels though, but I have to learn to remove my nostalgia glasses*
Connor Edwards
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Nicholas Cruz
I've never understood this. I replayed Sonic Adventure only a few days ago, and it was fine. The only thing I hate about it is the camera. I didn't even have any trouble with Big's fucking fishing levels. Is there something I'm missing here? I don't think my nostalgia goggles are on. The camera is awful, but other than that the game is still pretty good.
Luis Thomas
I prefer 1 over 2, honestly.
Xavier Fisher
Adventure 2 is a bad game and you're a dumb nostalgiafag.
I swear, the people with the worst tastes are the most vocal about this franchise. Colors is the anti-thesis of Sonic.
Juan Hughes
OMG REPORT FOR ECELEB HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET IT?
Jonathan Howard
It's not cinematic enough or made by Nintendo duh
Brody Walker
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Brody Perez
There's also an accompanying article written by the eurofag in the video. archive.is/fH0Ll Archived because direct linking is another one of Holla Forums's triggers.
From what I can tell, most of it is complaining about Modern Sonic existing and the opening stages being too boring and easy. Pic related makes him sound like an extremely upset Classic Sonic fan. Also, the Switch version runs like garbage.
Brayden Lopez
this to be honest. Hell, you can pretty much figure out how a thread will turn out by having this in your head when you first read it.
Nolan Rodriguez
Of the original Quadrilogy on the Genesis, which one is the best? I really liked the new shield powers in Sonic 3 but the levels paled in comparison to 2 IMO. 2 with 3s elemental shields and selectable characters would be perfect.
Christian Williams
Holy shit, sometimes I forget that Holla Forums has abysmal taste. Colors was absolutely the best Sonic game in terms of content and gameplay. Bet you faggots loved Heroes.
Mason Gomez
Thank you!
I hate Nintendo. I passed BOTW and was left with bitter disappointment You've beaten half the game, you've beaten it all
Gavin Bennett
Now tell me the one where the nuLora kroft games are superior because they focus on things other than 3d platforming. :^)
Ian Butler
While I dislike Heroes, it had much better flow, level design and physics. Colors' only value is the theme park design and the soundtrack.
Seriously, fuck wisps.
Jacob Martinez
When was the last time that you played Heroes lmao
Jace Murphy
Sonic 2 sort of had selectable characters
More like the tutorial area
Ryder Foster
2 years ago, I think.
Connor Watson
If your best defense of a game is to bring up an even worse game then your game sucks.
Jack Brooks
Make the webm yourself, you lazy prick.
Justin Parker
I spent a good chunk of the game in that area I had no idea what the fuck to do, and I never expected MORE shrines after leaving with the paraglider I never played an open world game before it and it left a mild taste in my mouth
Jackson Rivera
No need, see
Austin Myers
The bonus levels of Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) is the best part of the game.
Nolan Foster
You. You are my nigger.
Sebastian Gonzalez
Who the fuck wants to play sanic in the current year + 2?
Sebastian Turner
Me
John Powell
reddit is that way
Carson Jackson
Didn't cuckchan make that meme?
Aiden Edwards
But, I mean, there hasn't been a single good sanic since the 2D platformer days.
Levi Johnson
IGN pls
Jaxson Green
Which way?
Cameron Parker
You're already here.
Matthew Ramirez
Most cuckchan memes are used by reddit
Jeremiah Jackson
Stop saying cuck all the time then you filthy redditor.
John Adams
cuck
Parker Williams
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Dominic Lewis
I fucking loved the casino in sonic adventure.
Hunter Brown
Colors is boring at best and obnoxious at worst. I'm sorry you have bad taste in video games.
Jacob Hall
there were some good parts the chao garden, final rush, sky rail, except for those helicopter bumpers, and maybe radical highway well gee i guess the game wasn't that great after all it still had alot of potential though, and I think the fangame Sonic Utopia is gonna realize that potential barring extraordinary circumstances
Brandon King
That's nice kid. Now post more Susie.
Andrew Howard
There you go, you lazy nigger.
Caleb Jenkins
What a fag.
Hudson Rodriguez
I see.. Bet he would be jerking off LW too if it remained exclusive.
Christopher Collins
Sonic Utopia seems like it's going for a totally different approach concerning the controls and how physics are handled. Still, the approach that it, Green Hill Paradise, and Hedge Physics are taking are the ideal way to approach the idea of 3D Sonic, in my opinion.
Nathan Campbell
I wonder if it's even possible to make a good 3D Sonic game.
Make it all about being fast and shit and the game turns into one big cutscene that requires no input from the player. Make it about exploration and puzzles and it stops being a Sonic game.
Mario is lucky to have no identity — it allows Nintendo to put him in literally any environment. Sonic's speed is his curse in that regard.
Owen Mitchell
Bullshit.
Here's a controversial opinion for your gay ass. Sonic Adventure aged way better than Mario 64 did, and is more fun.
Joshua Bailey
I honestly enjoyed some of the mech levels. And some of the treasure hunting levels. The space ones can suck a fat dick though
Landon Brooks
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Nolan Hernandez
God fucking no. Sonic Adventure is terrible in every way possible on top of being unbearably cringe-worthy. The only good part of that game is the soundtrack but that's highly subjective.
Lucas Johnson
Is like you havent learn anything this past 4 years
Anthony Moore
The only part I could see as actually concerning is the performance issues he had, and even then, I think he was probably playing in handheld mode.
Michael Robinson
You need to eat shit and die. Sonic Adventure is a thousand times more fun than that pile of shit Super Tech Demo 64 could ever be.
Jackson Campbell
Call me when it releases it 10 years. no really, I doubt the game will be done in the next five years
Eli Jackson
Yeah, saw it.
Looks OK but that kind of gameplay seems to require game to feature big open and empty levels because otherwise you will hit every corner. Also,
I know it's just a demo and they might add something more but so far it looks boring to play.
Charles Campbell
No, you die. I'd rather watch the USA version of Sonic X than play Sonic Adventures again.
That's wrong mainly due to Big the Cat and Knuckles. IF they make a Sonic Adventure 3 then they should rip the system from Yakuza and apply to to Knuckles. Also you can't half an A press in Sonic Adventure, checkmate atheists.
John Ross
Oh, and Amy. They should've focused on different gameplay styles with all of them being high speed intensity instead of trying to slow the pace down too much for new players. The Chao Garden does this better than any Fishing or Puzzle gimmick.
Adam Collins
Screw off with your ADHD. I enjoyed the comfiness of fishing with Big.
Although yeah I tend to agree on the Amy stages.
Aaron Harris
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Blake Martinez
Don't get me wrong, I'm just saying Knuckles would fit better with Yakuza combat rather than trying to find pieces of the Master Emerald every time.
YEAH WELL?
It should've been its own game
Nathan Campbell
Oh boy it's that time again.
Nathaniel Lee
Accept it. There's Sonic the Hedgehog 1, 2, 3 (& Knuckles) and everything else is just a rip-off of Dragon Ball Z that everyone watches for Eggman.
Luis Powell
No, you're just a fag. Treasure Hunting was fine in SA1. SA2 it was only annoying because of forcing players to look for one emerald at a time.
Brody Gray
Also is this potato nigger e-celeb actually showing off any gameplay or are just listening to him ramble on about why Sonic is bad
Carson Hall
Even if you're a retro fag who swore off the 3D games, there's still the GBA and DS games that were good. There's also Mania coming up.
Ethan Young
I didn't mind the Amy segments tbh, buy I think higher focus on stealth in them would have been better.
I think the biggest problem modern Sonic games have is it's fanbse, not one of them can agree on what makes a good Sonic game and will always find something, anything to complain about.
At the risk of invoking a Holla Forums and Holla Forums shitfit, Sonic fans are comparable in a way to those people who make the "communism hasn't been tried" argument in that It's made by morons with an impossible ideal that even they deep down know is unachievable.
Grayson Allen
is it wrong that I think this fag looks like one of those gay guys who become submissive bottom slave that follows his masters orders at every command?
He just looks like a small penis little cuck slave.
Adrian Wood
You are retard.
Evan Powell
I guess, but I never owned a single console except for Famicom and Mega Drive, so I wouldn't know. And Mania is…
See? This is the fucking point. You're playing it.
In case of the most of the other Sonic games people would prefer to watch a "movie" video of all cutscenes on YouTube rather than playing this boring garbage themselves.
William Miller
He's a tubby pasty nu-male trying to hide his weak jawline with a faggy beard. Typical cuck look, probably that preps his gf's bull with his mouth.
Leo Brown
He talked for nine minutes without saying anything of merit. Just generalities about performance, resolution, how it 'feels' etc. How does saying "it's just bad" help anyone make an informed decision? Also complaining that the OC characters are purely cosmetic as if that's bad.
What a fucking idiot.
Kevin Wright
Nigger what? I was pointing out your obvious fallacy that modern Sonic rips off DBZ when it's been cribbing from Dragon Ball since at least Sonic 2.
Not to mention you now admit to playing any of them. Quit talking out of your pisshole and back to >>>/reddit/
Ayden Cox
You do realize where you are, right?
Nathan Powell
Did you just call me a faggot? please don't call me a faggot as I am not a gay. I have sucked a few dicks here and there, but I said no homo every single time, our balls never touched AND the dick was ALWAYS feminine. I'm, just saying these actions have consequences and that just because I like feminine dick doesn't make me a fucking faggot.It's not my fault I sucked a few dicks either, I usually got drunk and got fucked in the ass because I wasn't thinking properly, but even then I said "no homo".
I have to ask you user, do you ever think you'll get a girl? I think the Board Owner has a better chance of becoming another Zyzz than anyone here being a girl or having sexual relations with a woman. So what's wrong with sucking a few dicks here and there while getting fucked a few times in the ass. Just say "no homo" and it's all fine my man. Just make sure you always say "no homo" and that the dick is feminine, otherwise it's gay as fuck and you should go to the local church immediately and beg god for forgiveness.
Sodomy is a sin and those who practice homosexuality are going to forever burn, unless the dick is feminine and you say "no homo" then it's cool. Always keep Jesus in your heart, unless you're a Jew which in that case you're going to hell for being Jewish by default. So please pick your words carefully before calling me a faggot.
Anyway Sonic Adventure did have a good system for Knuckles I'm not denying that. What I am saying is that a combat system like Yakuza or Devil May Cry would be a better fit for the high octane nature of the series rather than treasure hunting.
Cooper Moore
You are a giant fag nigger I hope you die of aids
Jeremiah Murphy
I'll assume you missed "not". Both Adventures, Heroes and Generations have PC ports, dumb negro. Enough to get a taste of Sonic in 3D.
Charles Moore
wow, that's rude user,
Tyler Green
Nigger, speak English. Sonic has always pulled from Dragon Ball.
Congrats Heroes and SA1 suck ass on PC.
kys nigger faggot.
Benjamin Flores
Let's be honest, Sonic doesn't rip from DBZ. It rips off Shonen Anime off in general. It's why I feel them making it a global franchise is a mistake. Sonic is best when it's Japanese.
Dylan Taylor
I don't see Sonic Mania doing well at all, most people don't care enough about it
Benjamin Wood
The only thing that can save the Sonic series is Amy being explicitly cucked.
Isaiah Sanchez
degenerate shit is probably the thing that has kept sonic alive for so long
James James
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Gavin Martinez
I was always under the impression since its announcement that Sonic Forces and its OC Donut Steel Character Creator shit was there to siphon money from the DeviantArt autism crowd whereas Sonic Mania was there to siphon money from the retro wannabe hipster and romhack autism crowd, so SEGA can cover as many markets as possible
Jaxson Hernandez
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Wyatt Gomez
=Holla Forums's Official Sonic ranking== Classic 2D Sonic 3&K > 3 > 2 > CD > 1 > Knuckles' Chaotix Classic 8-bit Tails Adventure > Triple Trouble > 2 > Chaos > 1 Pre-Colours 3D Unleashed > Heroes > Adventure 2 Battle > Adventure > Shadow The Hedhehog > Black Knight > Secret Rings > 06 Post-Colours 3D Generations > Colours > Lost World Spin-offs Sidescrolling Rush Adventure > Rush > Advance 2 > Advance > Colours DS > Generations 3DS > Advance 3 > Rivals 2 > Pocket Adventures > Rivals Spin-offs Racing All-Star Racing Transformed > S&S All Star Racing > Sonic R > Sonic Drift 2 > Drift Spin-offs other Sonic The Fighters > Sonic Battle >Pinball Party > Mean Bean Machine > Shuffle > Sonic Chronicles Sonic Boom games Ice and Fire >>> Shattered Crystal > Rise of Lyric
Thomas Cox
Holla Forums's Official Sonic ranking Classic 2D Sonic 3&K > 3 > 2 > CD > 1 > Knuckles' Chaotix Classic 8-bit Tails Adventure > Triple Trouble > 2 > Chaos > 1 Pre-Colours 3D Unleashed > Heroes > Adventure 2 Battle > Adventure > Shadow The Hedhehog > Black Knight > Secret Rings > 06 Post-Colours 3D Generations > Colours > Lost World Spin-offs Sidescrolling Rush Adventure > Rush > Advance 2 > Advance > Colours DS > Generations 3DS > Advance 3 > Rivals 2 > Pocket Adventures > Rivals Spin-offs Racing All-Star Racing Transformed > S&S All Star Racing > Sonic R > Sonic Drift 2 > Drift Spin-offs other Sonic The Fighters > Sonic Battle >Pinball Party > Mean Bean Machine > Shuffle > Sonic Chronicles Sonic Boom games Ice and Fire >>> Shattered Crystal > Rise of Lyric
Dominic Jones
Holla Forums's REAL Official Sonic ranking Classic 2D Sonic 3&K > 3 = 1 > CD > Knuckle's Chaotix > 2 Classic 8-bit Triple Trouble > 2 > Tails Adventure > Chaos > 1 Pre-Colours 3D Unleashed = Adventure > Adventure 2 Battle > Shadow The Hedgehog > Heroes > Black Knight > Secret Rings > 06 Post-Colours 3D Generations > Colors > Lost World Spin-offs Sidescrolling Rush Adventure > Rush > Advance 2 > Advance 3 > Colors DS > Generations 3DS = Rivals 2 > Advance > Pocket Adventures > Rivals Spin-offs Racing All-Star Racing Transformed > S&S All Star Racing > Sonic R > Sonic Drift 2 > Drift Spin-offs other Sonic Battle > Sonic The Fighters > Pinball Party > Mean Bean Machine > Shuffle = Sonic Chronicles Sonic Boom games Ice and Fire >>> Shattered Crystal > Liquid Dogshit > Rise of Lyric
Connor Price
The only good Sonic games were the first Mega Drive game and the first couple Master System games, ya fuckin twats.
Gavin Perez
Then again, I can't exactly argue with these rankings. Adventure 2 is better than the original, though, that's one thing you got wrong. And the original Rush is better than Rush Adventure because Marine isn't in it and the soundtrack is better. Other than that, I'd say this is pretty accurate.
Bentley Murphy
Marine a cute
Luke Anderson
Marine a cunt*
William Torres
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Xavier Cruz
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Jonathan Cox
why?
Camden Evans
What's the full pic?
Henry Sullivan
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Carson Fisher
I don't get why people like SA1. No nostalgia, SA2 was far better.
Anthony Wright
I dunno. Sorry.
Christopher Bailey
I don't have to wonder, Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog, all blow this piece of shit out of the water. The themepark would've been better if it was clearly a demo stage and didn't look like it might be a serious attempt at level design.
Justin Ward
Video unrelated? Sonic and open world design go together like communism and respecting basic human rights
Jack Turner
Nah fam, there are good sonic games, just not 3d ones
Austin Brooks
I think SA1 is better solely because the mech and treasure hunting stages in 2 were so much worse than their SA1 counter-parts. Worse controls, worse level designs, stupid decisions like making the radar only work for one emerald at a time, etc. Sonic and Shadow definitely play better than Sonic in SA1, but they only make up a third of 2. The only part of SA1 that I believe plays badly is Amy's story. It's just too bad the PC version is a terrible port of the already inferior DX version. You have to mod the game to get it anywhere near the quality of the original Dreamcast release.
Tyler Perez
What if Sonic took a more rpg or metroidvania approach?
Daniel Lopez
Guess where you belong >>>/reddit/ >>>/somethingawful/ >>>/neogaf/ >>>/cuckchan/
Luis Walker
Yeah, it fucking does. What the fuck do you think Super Sonic is reminiscent of
Sonic was designed as an international franchise. Read Console Wars some time.
Henry James
SA1's problem is walking to levels SA2 was back to back levels except for most people wonder "Where's my sonic/shadow levels?"
Ryder Bell
No. Play Tails Adventure
Colton Robinson
Nigger shut up SA1s hubs had great music and neat little details like in the Egg Carrier.
Chase Price
I'm sorry that offended you. Even triggers can be triggers for some especially sensitive people. I'll be sure to use trigger warnings in the future.
Oh good, that's what we need. Another fucking Metroidvania.
Joshua Cooper
I sort of agree. I actually just finished a playthrough of adventure one followed by generations out of curiosity. Modern sonic definitely is restrictive and focuses more on micro challenges but I'd stretch to say its close to being a technical as classic sonic. Honestly after playing generations and blowing through it in 2 sittings; maybe the best case scenario is that forces literally is just a poor selling sonic generations expansion turned into a full game.
This bait is so obvious it made me laugh.
Jordan Baker
SammyClassicSonicFan was right.
Wyatt Wood
Burn everyone who insults sonic. Journos want ratings, we will give them
You aren't from here. I'm sorry going back to your designated shit hole triggers.
Blake Morris
Yes, just keep trying to fit in with the "cool kids" :^)
Joseph Lee
Why is it so hard for these shitheads to start a video without immediately making obnoxious noises? You'd think someone who does this worthless job for a living would be able to talk as well as an average person, but so many of these gaming channels fuck it up in the first second of every video.
Ethan Green
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Bentley Rogers
If you want a good opinion on sonic forces, you can watch this video. Its far more indepth on actual gameplay.
Colton Morris
Will this meme ever go away?
Samuel Powell
Its just a really paying off clickbait, and to imageboard extend a (you)bait too. Its almost never fails to say that sonic is shit and get thousand of views on your article or video.
Ethan Jones
Because the actual demographic for youtube videos is under 13. Youtube is the new Disney Channel/Nickelodeon.
Parker Rivera
Ironically you have to be 13 or older to use Youtube legally.
Wyatt Garcia
And yet YoutubeKIDS exist. And there's lots of questionable material there.
Dylan Brooks
How else will kids know about Spiderman/Elsa pregnancies, fidget spinners and machine-produced finger family nursery rhymes?
Ryan Wilson
Not yet
Jason Reed
It's not just Sonic anymore.
Samuel Gonzalez
Mate when you're accused of being triggered you don't double down and keep showcasing you're triggered holy shit.
Joshua Perry
That game isn't hard. That reviewer is on crack. Look at the boss fights in that game they are stupidly easy.
Tyler Stewart
Stop. S3&K undeniably has the best content for the series.
Jackson Hill
Thank you.
David Williams
Maybe when the Sonic is good meme dies down, he was alright in a few games and there are far more bad Sonic games than "good" sonic game. If Sonic wasn't Segas Mascot he would have probably Bubsy'd years ago.
It's certainly the first time a Sonic game had good level design, and probably the last unless Mania isn't bad.
Mason Adams
Just more proof of reviewers being unable to play games.
They play the games of yesteryear and get their shit shoved in and blame it on bad design, when the game of topic is Super Metroid and they got their shit throttled by the Torizo and never got any farther and rated the whole game on that.