In your opinion when did USSR crossed the point of no return? When collapse of eastern block and Soviet Union...

In your opinion when did USSR crossed the point of no return? When collapse of eastern block and Soviet Union, and return of market economy became inevitable? Was it when perestroika started? When Khrushchev or Breznev did some reforms of economy? When Stalin became dictator of USSR and purged a lot of marxists from the party? Or it was when the export of revolution to the west failed?

When Gorbachev didn't listen to the will of the people and keep the Soviet Union.

1920. We could have had FALC by now but no.

Everything after 1953

What is FALC?

When Lenin died. Stalin did a lot to industrialise the Soviet Union, but he did so by undermining the proletariat itself. Control over production belonged in the hands of the Soviets themselves. Leaving it in the hands of a bureaucracy, no matter how well-meaning, doomed the workers' revolution.

Failure of the anti-party group to overthrow Khrushchev put the Soviet economy and more importantly expansionist policy behind. Policy of co-existence ultimately lead to reformism that eventually lead to collapse of the state.

Seems to be after Stalin took over but i am new.

Lenin tried hard, had to deal with existing problems but Stalin just started becoming incredibly powerful and pushing industrialization hardcore, against the well being of the soviet people

When they refused to give workers control over the MoP, basically since the beggining

Fully automated luxury communism is my guess

Read your fucking history faggot

Holy kek that Trotsky image has never been so relevant.

That were abolished at the end of civil war when NEP was implemented and SU moved away form war communism.

Lenin might have actually done it if capitalist pigs werent helping the whites and caused this giant war which fucked the organization process

So yeah, workers' control never went anywhere

When the SocDems murdered Rosa instead of joining her.

This basically.
Though that's really giving the most credit to Lenin to have acted in good faith long term, which we can only speculate. If control over the MoP and political power were not to ever be handed back to the workers councils, then it can be said the project was doomed from the start if the goal was ever the achievement of communism.

The ones whose memebers were murdered by Lenin?

This as well.

Yes, entire 3% of all stores were coops run by state, factories were being rented back to private owners and whole 7% of agricultural production became coops.

They have to be workers to be called workers' soviets, not farmers who burn crops to sabotage bolsheviks and cause famines


Nice numbers there, where'd ya get those?

Book called Trotsky by Christer Pursiainen. I can take the time later to look for specific sources.

In 1953.

this

Stalin pls come back

To all the Trots and Lenin admirers: Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky (or any of the lesser dwarfs) in the 20s had few actual ideological differences, and none when it came to things like actually giving power to the workers, or crushing the peasants (maybe except exactly when to do it). Stalin was simply the better party organizer of the bunch.

That's what I got from Kotkin's Stalin bio anyway.

Stalin. Or failing that maybe the UN vote over the Korean war which solidified the world order as Soviet and anti Soviet

It's still under Communist rule though…

When lenin died and the soviets lost their power

Everything after 1917.

Lmao, delusion, the post

Holodomor is Nazi propaganda

1926

It was doomed before Lenin even died. The idea that you have to transition to socialism through capitalism is the same naivete that Keynesian theorists used when they thought they could keep capitalism in check through regulation. The concept of a vanguard party instead of full democracy was also an idea that was doomed to replicate hierarchical structures and state capitalism game them the power to entrench it.

gave*