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In this case it was his betrayal of socialist basis organisations in Vermont in favour of a vastly expanded administration apperatus. There was some pretty nice fighting between him and Bookchin on that issue.


This is a shitpost, but it's a funny one.

Who didn't know this?


It is.


good job OP

Isn't that basically the core of Marxism-Leninism?


Communisms aim is not to create a better technocratic rule, it aims at liberating people and that can only happen to a lasting effect if the people organise themselves.

You say that in order t o build our socialist society we sacrificed personal liberty and suffered privation.

Your question suggests that socialist society denies personal liberty. That is not true. Of course, in order to build something new one must economize, accumulate resources, reduce one's consumption for a time and borrow from others. If one wants to build a house one saves up money, cuts down consumption for a time, otherwise the house would never be built.

How much more true is this when it is a matter of building a new human society? We had to cut down consumption somewhat for a time, collect the necessary resources and exert great effort. This is exactly what we did and we built a socialist society.

But we did not build this society in order to restrict personal liberty but in order that the human individual may feel really free. We built it for the sake of real personal liberty, liberty without quotation marks. It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment.

Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.

No. Once the revolution has happened you get a bunch of vanguardists discussing literally everything but how to make sure people get their goddamn bread.
t. Kropotkin

I can't bring myself to hate Sanders. I just can't.

It's kinda like trying to hate Mao, and Hoxha and people like this., but on the other end of the spectrum. They fucked up, but you can tell they did their very best.

As much as the Bernie Sanders killed Rosa Luxemborg meme gives me a chuckle, I still think his brand of politics is worth fighting for, especially in the US.

thats because you are crypto liberals like him



It's not worth fighting for, but it's worth supporting. I would have voted for Bernie simply to get the word ´´socialism´´ back out there.

Might have been bad in the long run

Yeah, true. This election might actually have been the best outcome possible if Trump gets BTFO and takes the Republicans with him and the Democrats kill themselves with identity politics.

You mean Peter 'turn private estate gardens into communtiy farms' Kropotkin


you say that like it's a bad thing

Not really? He's just correcting the comment to which he replied.

Fucking lost it

kek, did not expect that



it's always a good day when cuckdems get btfo