German Left

This. People who restrain from voting because "it's for a bourgeois party anyway" are absolute fucking plebs. Even if all the choices are shit you can at least vote for the choice that gets the ruling class into the most trouble, and yes, you can be fucking bothered to move your fat ass to a voting booth unless you suffer from leftcom tier retardation.

but most people don't like democracy and voting takes more than a minute of your time. And if people did vote for the most left party they would either lose or just be socdems

Because they are voting against a safety net.

e.g. in America, there is a 3 months per 36 months limit on food stamps:
cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/more-than-500000-adults-will-lose-snap-benefits-in-2016-as-waivers-expire
If you can't find work within 3 months, you starve.

“He who does not work shall not eat” - Lenin, State and Revolution

Except work isn't guaranteed in a capitalist system. These are people looking for a job.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour

there is a difference between there not being work and not wanting to work

No shit?

Shit, we are considered middle class in Hungary because my mother's wage is a little less than 7$/hour (she does overtime). And prices are the same as in Germany.

Why middle class? We can actually pay for our needs like food, heating the house, etc… Half of the people here cannot even do that. Still better than most parts of the world though.

;_;

I join you in pain.

People from West didn't believed me when I said I was working for 1.2$/hour and I'm not from Third World.

member syriza?
i do member!

can we send socdem to gulag?

eastern europe?

That's because Germany is known for dumping prices in grocery stores, you can get three meals a day for four bucks here. The retailers pay the farmers absolute shit (30 cents for a liter of milk, go figure) who make due because of huge government subsidies - a pretty twisted system.

On the other hand skyrocketing rents, higher taxes and overpriced social security squeeze the living shit out of the middle class. But 7€ bucks is tough, holy shit.

To be fair Syriza was a clusterfuck of SocDems and DemSocs to begin with and was elected in a country that is basically a puppet state/experiment ground of the EU technocracy. But yeah, after Varoufakis left everybody who still supports them is a sell out.

Corbyn and Bernie have done more for the workers than any tankie.

Here in California we have mail in ballots, makes it so much easier

At least true for Sanders, but most commies here like Sanders, critically, at least in my experience.

There is an infinity of utterly useless activities that only take a few minutes of my time. Why should I pick voting?

Voting is not only useless energy expenditure, but it's also harmful form of legitimacy of power. That's why in every pseudo-democratic dictatorship, like for example today's Belarus, or in past, in so called "people's democracy" Eastern Bloc countries, voting is usually compulsory.

Voting is not form of change a social system, but it's a form of propaganda of ruling class to make their authority legitimized in eyes of society.

Leftcom logic. It can literally be more than one thing. The legitimation effect, both primary due to its brute existence, all the secondary instrumental effects, tertiary propaganda value, and so on, is still clearly not total under liberal democracy otherwise there would be much more general confidence and participation than we see.

Yeah, vote for Die Linke. They have tons of social democrats but also tankies and anarchists in disguise.

Just wow. So when I'm voting for a party that pisses off the ruling class and signals the population that there are a lot of disgruntled and alienated proles and NEETs I legitimize the ruling class.

Would you have told the KPD in Germany 1930 to abstain from voting even though Nazis were about to get the absolute majority? Leftcoms really are utterly useless.

Because voting also supports opposition work which hampers the power of the government to crackdown on revolutionary groups, or finances parties that do far left agitation and education.

And might make some people suffer a bit less.

And in local elections its even more reasonable as the question if I want to have more bike paths or another autobahn impacts me regardless of revolutionary politics

They have some great rank & file members and local activists, but the party establishment is almost 100% controlled opposition, especially Gysi, Wagenknecht and Pau. You don't get to become a Bundestag bigwig and get paraded around on the major talk shows if you are not an establishment tool.

voting isn't achieving revolutionary potential/structure

I don't see how Wagenknecht is controlled opposition. Especially regarding her stance on Russia and immigration.

I'd love to talk to some Die Linke members sometime, get their perspective on the situation

Bolsheviks got huge a faction in the Petrograder Soviet and a full majority in Moscow.

Yes. Its possible to get a socialist elected. Just look at Chile.

this

will never understand people who petulantly refuse to ever vote. it's pure laziness.

No.

That's precisely the opposite.

No.

In other words: the less political the election is, the more voting makes sense.

Best parliamentary party out of all of them, I'd say.

it saves you time in the long run, because you don't need to spend time arguing with people on Holla Forums about why you don't vote. it's 3 minutes every other year vs 3 minutes a week.
the most optimal strategy though is to tell everyone else to vote, and telling people that you vote, while secretly not voting yourself.

Maybe try to give a reasoning with your claims

It needs to become Der Linke.

What is this supposed to prove? This walmart isn't anywhere near me or I'd be banging down their doors trying to get a job there. I have a college degree and I can't get any kind of work, except some short-term shit work that comes by occasionally. And its not like I don't try, I put out applications all the time, I don't turn my nose up to menial positions and fast-food joints.

I know plenty of people who want jobs but can't get them. Even when you get a job oftentimes the average person will be unemployed before they get one. They'll be completely wiped out, especially in a state like mine, where you can't claim benefits if you leave your job, but you also can't claim them unless you were fired through "no fault of your own". And since in this case the employer partially foots the bill for unemployment benefits what do you think their gonna say?

Burden of the proof, baby. I am not the one making claims about the magical powers of voting here.

Fighting the democratic illusions of my fellow proletarians can help raising class consciousness. Voting, on the other hand, accomplishes literally nothing.

This makes only sense in Schwaben.

patience comrade, entryism takes time

well germany will at least be the control in the next few years to test the accelerationism meme

Parteinahe Stiftungen are no myth you know, investigation commitees uncovering the corruption of the state and its collaboration with nazi terrorists are real too. Votes directly contributing to founding of parties and their Stiftungen is common knowledge. Leftist government negotiating with autonomous spaces instead of evicting them is a clear trend.

Do you even have the first clue about how the german system works?

is right. In Germany, getting a vote, even without becoming part of the government coalition, means you get a bit of state funding.

And why would we want Die Linke to get state funding?

like by privatizing everything and helping their finance masters extend their control over the economy?
Socdems are the best neoliberals, most privatizations in my country were done by socdems. While tankies in here established universal healthcare, public education and free college

did sanders turn a backwards feudal country USSR into a superpower with space communism? Do you even history 101?

Dude what? I like them both but they haven't even really done anything yet.

So the Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung gets more money

...

It actually does, Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung finances Marxist education, and much more. Even the NPD and AfD get money, and when the AfD enters parliament they will also create a Parteinahestiftung that will spread nationalist and right wing propaganda.

that's the joke

any party that includes gregor gysi is worthless