Holla Forums is trying to organize

>boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/108576560
>discord.gg/CsHSA
Here's the new link, fresh from the thread.

That's what they said about Trump too.
Never underestimate the power of reactionary ideology.

Depends on the particular circumstances really.
Here in Europe we have lots of groups that consider themselves Antifa, but there's not really any hard standard for what is and what isn't Antifa.

You don't really believe Holla Forums has anything to do with getting trump electred, right?

You should email screen caps to antifa groups, just for shits and giggles. Keep track of of their happenings in case they try something.

Also, trump didn't really win because of fascist.

They did contribute by digging through the leaked mails and spreading their pizzagate/spiritcooking/pepe bullshit on social media.

A lot of the memes that Holla Forums came up with later became popular in a watered down form on social media e.g. Pepe, build a wall, god emperor Trump

They don't have that much influence on older voters, but they have an enormous influence on social media, believe it or not. That's what makes them dangerous.

He won because of his nationalist anti-establishment rhetoric.
That's about as close as it gets to fascism.

Not really, since civic nationalism has always been a thing in the U.S. I can't really see anything that set's him apart. He's just a neoliberal puppet.

This. And send the Discord links, too.

i dun know, i'm gonna say this is them role playing that they arent autistic again

Holla Forums didn't come up with Pepe, though. Pepe made a massive ridiculous resurgence outside the chans and R9K started making woman hater/ultraviolent/~offensive~ Pepe macros in response, which was basically inherited by Holla Forums. Pepe had already mainstreamed by that point, though it's true that Trump's team specifically alluded to/reblogged Holla Forums's version.

Oh God damnit I bumped it.

one step ahead

nice subversion guys

Kill yourself.

(libcom.org/library/fascism-anti-fascism-gilles-dauve-jean-barrot)

Is this the result of that ancrap-poltard alliance?

Seems like one of those Holla Forums initiatives that dies off after a week, because everyone involved is severely autistic and the whole place just turns into memes and off-topic discussion.

Holy fuck

We should really organize ourselves, we need to counter this.
Anti anti-Antifa assemble!

lmao, everytime they meet up there's an antifa crowd 4 times bigger

Would like to see pics of this.

It's only recon a this point.

It is never wrong to know, to want to know, and to want others to know.

oh my i am laffing

Hilariously, it's a double negative. Anti-antismallpox would just mean smallpox, so anti-antifa just means fascist.

lel

Who'd want to disrupt Leftists? You morons and your lust for authoritarianism and irrational, uncivilized behavior is what's driving centrists to the Right.

Nah, we ain't doing shit. "Your guy" is actually driving more into the far left than we could've ever dreamed of.

Right, that's why the Left is dying and the Right is growing. You keep celebrating as your political movements remain all but dead except for half a dozen people in the midst of shit-holes like NYC, where you're so disliked you have to wear masks for fear of being outed. No where on the internet are you accepted. The only place you're accepted is here on some obscure forum, and a gender studies class.

So just fa?

They were the most dead when Obama was in power. They're becoming more popular than they ever were during his administration.

The Right isn't growing, it's rapidly dying out. You elected someone who won because of a rule that pointlessly gives rural areas much more voting power than urban areas. Your guy lost by 3 million votes and, as that trend continues, people are going to realize that center-liberalism or even right-wing populism isn't enough to stop the anti-working class agenda the Republicans love implementing.

Employment is going to drop under Trump. He has no way of restarting dead industries under coal either. He has no plans of helping train poor former coal miners either for modern technological jobs. Students across the country aren't getting employed and are saddled with large amounts of debt despite false promises of large income after graduation (even with STEM majors.)

Repealing the ACA will result in many more dead and sick people. Stopping TPP just means China gets to expand its influence in the pacific.

Everything about his plans points to people who aren't upper-to-middle class and, hell, even the middle class as suffering under his administration.

Get ready for a big recession to hit due to his protectionist economic policies. That's going to be absolutely fantastic for our numbers too.

And, for the record, I'm not for TPP. But I know that it being repealed just means China gets to keep influence over the Southeast pacific and won't do anything to help US industries or employment.

You Lefties aren't working class, you're born and bred in the suburbs and your whole lives are paid for by daddy. You come to fruition in a gender studies class in college. Face it, the Left is dead. Everyone hates you. Everyone. The Right is growing, and it's centered around the white working class. No one hates the Left more than the white working class, which like Mao's Red Army, was nothing but spoiled, pampered societal filth who never spent a day in the real world. How much University debt do you have, little buddy?

Your propaganda was believable up until this point. I'm not even a Maoist but if you somehow believe that a guerrilla army made up of peasants from 1930s-40s China (arguably the poorest nation on Earth esp. right after WWII) was somehow made up exclusively of "spoiled, pampered social filth" then you're seriously in need of a history class or one in basic logic. Nice job shitposting and strawmanning tho

Okay, so ignoring the other ridiculous bait that assumes I am apparently not making barely above minimum wage, I'm going to point out the really obvious contradiction of your argument: If my whole life is paid for by daddy, why would I have any debt from University to worry about?

Don't you have a gender studies class soon? Maybe a women's studies class?

Because the moment you Lefties step out of daddy's suburban home you go to college, attain a worthless degree in Liberal Arts, and amass loads of debt you have no means of paying because you spent your whole life up until that point free loading off daddy. Then you beg for big daddy government to step in and redistribute the wealth of those who actually work for a living and plan out their budget, so you can get your debts paid off and go back to being a freeloading piece of shit.

Sure thing bud. Unfortunately, for you, studying a woman's body in person is something you will never do.

Nice meme, it may apply to liberals bit not here dipshit

The horrors, I'll never get to spend the night being dominated by an Anita Sarkeesian. Oh no! If only I were an emasculated Leftie male! If only!

You're right. You guys like to cede all liberties to government, then watch them just take the wealth, rather than actually redistribute it. Like the Soviet Union.

wow you autists really do get all your political opinions from shitty memes and youtube personalities, i thought that was just a meme about the right

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Kek, such a virgin post.

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show us on the doll where the big bad vaccines hurt you :(

My god… Of all the hilarious things I've been accused of… I'd love to post my MS in EE on here if I didn't want people finding out my identity, but I seriously think this is the first instance of someone accusing me of being in Gender Studies/Liberal Arts. Usually it's SJW's that accuse me of being a muh privileged, rich STEM major despite getting barely above minimum wage.

Good.

So just to be clear, leftists are bad for doing humanities but also bad for doing STEM. So how long into High School did it take you to drop out exactly, and what class was it that was too hard?

You people really make me happy.

Kek, you really are a bitter virgin. But being serious for a moment, seeing how the Russia was a poor country prior to the Russian revolution, how did it become a super-power and raise living standards to developed nation standards if it "never actually redistributed" the wealth as you claim?

On the one hand we have a country that improved the lives of hundreds of millions people and brought them out of extreme poverty. On the other hand we have the classic fascist states who came to power in already rich countries, did little of substance to help their people and in fact pushed huge hardship and suffering onto them. Kinda funny how the working class in all the ex-fascist states in Europe live better then they did under fascism; the same cannot be said about communist countries in the East bloc, many of which are worse off then now that open capitalism has been restored there.

It's not about what the degree is for genius. It's about everything else I said.

dumb libertarian

well you could've just warned us you were retarded before wasting our time

Ah, a laissez-faire libertarian I see. Prepare to get redpilled on that:

univie.ac.at/virtuallabs/PublicGoods/index.html#pgg

You got me. Soviet Russia was so grand. It only committed mass genocide against native Russians and Ukrainians, imprisoned millions, and forced the common man to live in a state of perpetual poverty where, to this day, they're still recovering.

Enjoy poverty.

Nope. Also not clicking that link.

but I'm just a rich kid with my whole life paid for by daddy, remember?

not like anyone was under the impression you could read and understand it anyway

The biggest demonstrations in american history just happened.
Against Trump.

Amazing. Instead of possibly reading and trying to form an argument against the source I posted, you are just going with the head-in-sand approach.

don't you know? The left is both all-powerful and pathetically weak

I mean you could have even said "the source is unreliable" or something and given me a reason. Or explained why you think "Public Goods Game" in experimental economics is flawed. You could have even argued that results in experimental economics can be flawed and not represent reality (which it is at times), but you didn't even do that.

You chose not even to understand.

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anti antifa lol

what u guys gonna do now?
make another club called anti anti antifa?

:P this is hilarious. you guys dont even know what fascism is

Holla Forums style organizing is worthless anyway. go find local groups and get active. pick any of them it literally doesn't matter

I've emailed all the local groups including IWW. Only one got back to me which was a dubious and inactive looking antifa, I'm now on their telegram group but nothing ever happens. It took them about a month to reply to the email. Besides none of these groups engage in the actions I am talking about. I want something fresh. I think the left needs something fresh. That's why I am here. We have nothing to lose by organising, only our chains, I can't understand why people on this board, with the information they have, don't want to do something about it

Yeah, right up until college. Now you're on your own, with tens of thousands of unnecessary debt, and you received a sub-par education for it and a paper. Grand. You'll be moving back in with daddy any time though, I'm sure. We all know what the work ethic of a Leftie is like… By the way, have you applied for food stamps yet? I'm sure you have.

A feminist walk with millions of money funneled into it just occurred after the victory of the man opposing the Democrat party, which, in addition to the likes of Soros, Goldman Sachs, and others, had been funding and rganizing similar events all year. Yeah, nothing surprising. Also I don't believe it was the largest. I know how Leftist rats are with their media propaganda. "Look, you centrists, at all this support for this cause! You should support this!" Pathetic top-down, bottom-up propaganda trying to force a move by the middle, and it won't work thanks to the internet and general dislike for the Left among the entire middle.

Archive it. I don't know what that website is and I'm not going there.

So why did the standard of living get worse after the free-market reforms and neoliberal "shock doctrine" was implemented in Russia? Why did the life expectancy of the Russian male fall below the Stalin period during the 90s and still hasn't really recovered. It's been over 27 years now, how long does capitalist Russia need to recover?

If a communist country didn't bring about heaven on earth in under 30 years you would condemn it for eternity, but if a capitalist country fails perpetually for three decades you just say its "recovering"

As for your claim that the masses lived in perpetual poverty its plainly not true as the sources I posted indicate. Soviet citizens benefited from very generous social services and even their plain money wages weren't bad at all by world standards.

There was no genocide against Ukrainians or "native Russians" whatever that means, even the MI5 agent historian most responsible for popularizing the Holodomor narrative Robert Conquest admitted that he doesn't believe in it. There were famines in the early USSR but there had been famines every two to three years in Russia for hundreds of years, the Soviets solved the problem of famine in Russia.

All of them? Idk your particular city but usually at least DSA or SAlt is doing something locally. I know people argue forever on this board over which ones are "real leftists" but when you're fixing your own city sectarian arguments don't matter that much.

If no one's active then go do research and find out what the local struggles in your city are. What was the last major strike? What was it about? Stuff like that. Then interject yourself in the issues. Go to the areas that are in need of renovation and involve yourself in the community centers. I know it sounds like a pain but once you're part of the community it gets much much easier to change things and organize.

Honestly best advice I can give. Not that I'm specifically against a new version of organizing but either way it's about thinking globally and acting locally

You're denying the genocide of Russians and Ukrainians. Let me guess, no genocide in China either? Your Cenk-tier. No thanks…

The tea-party demonstrations were sponsored to, and they were by comparison very small.

About 2 million people participated, with some joining in overseas. That's is huge, you can't just astroturf that. It's more people than the Anti-War protests during the Vietnam-era could draw.

So, it would seem that indeed, the left has quite some life back in it. I'd be much more worried about the right dying.

wow I'm so close to retard libertarian bingo

it's not a fucking porn site you dweeb it's like 1.5 pages worth of reading

I know it's rough since you didn't go to university to avoid all the cultural marixists but i'm sure you'll manage

No, the Left does not have life back in it. This was the remnants of the "women's equality" movement. These aren't Commies and Socialists, these are Marx-lite mommies and their daughters, and a few emasculated cucks who took a women's studies class. It's bigger because it's a decades long established group which is propagandized in every University in the West. Plus it had full support of the media, and mass funding. Nothing special, and it has zero effect on anything. Go on the ground and you'll note 98% of these people don't know a thing about politics and merely recite lines spouted by the mainstream media. It's nothing. By all means though, align yourself with them .It'll only help keep you down.

Archive it.

How dose that even work?

I'd like a source on Chinese genocide fampai

It's one of the oldest branches of communism.
It's only an oxymoron if you don't know what communism is.

Also, boo hoo when did right-wingers become so fragile? You guys demand the complete freedom to ignore or deny any genocide or human rights abuses committed by your side, then you turn around and you're not willing to even discuss the facts of what happened? You don't even have an argument because I doubt you even know anything about Soviet history beyond what you were force-fed in public school.

pretty fucking easily

Are you going to post those sweet wikipedia links to prove that it all happened now?

lmao

I'm in the UK. I don't want to join a parliamentary pressure group I want to join a direct action group.

Failing that I want to start one

who wants to make bets on this dipshit being "red-pilled on the holocaust" lmao

that qoute is completely incoherent and useless

Fascism is alive and well, and is not opposed to capitalism in any form.

Typical moronic Leftist. "Muh mass graves don't exist!"

Use the rail and canal networks to attack state institutions under the cover of darkness.

Well.. Do you believe the holocaust happened?

Damn yeah just so used to directing Americans after the election, my bad

unfortunately uk left isn't doing too hot these days unless you're pulling for corbyn, but i'm surprised if there isn't at least a semi active CWI chapter around, and they don't really do entryism anymore.

Honestly though fuck emailing, find out where the group you want to join meets/has offices and just go talk to them in person. If the group is inactive, take charge and make it not inactive

Very well

web.archive.org/web/20160514032434/http://www.univie.ac.at/virtuallabs/PublicGoods/index.html

Also, why not just have a conversation instead of immediately jumping to insulting the left when interacting with a single poster?

That sounds more like anarchy than communism, and how can you function without a state?

Really makes you think

READ A FUCKING BOOK

not everyone is a usesless Leninist here

You serious?
Communes and worker councils.

split between anarchists and communists is mostly a dispute about whether to remove the state first and then institute a socialist system or whether to capture the state and then dissolve it after structuring a properly socialist system

as for how you function without a state, theories diverge on this issue but the main point is that not all organization constitutes "a state" in anarchist/communist theories and they're most concerned with removing unnecessary and oppressive hierarchies, not all organization

time to read the bread book

Not that poster, but thanks for taking the time to answer their questions & explain these things.

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/108762725

Can you make an argument against the left not based on ad hominem?

Do we have a potential convert here?

Not even a commie but I love lurking lefty pol just to see how stupid the average pol tard is.

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Vietnam is not doing half bad right now. They have a way lower poverty rate than the United States.

rojava is doing pretty good nowadays

Got a new link user?

Probably a honeypot. I'd stay away unless you want the gulag.

No comrade, our system is not socialist. Don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise. We're literally living in a neoliberal hell hole like China now.