Pay close attention to the media, Holla Forums...

Pay close attention to the media, Holla Forums. What we're getting throughout this election is invaluable information on what we're up against in the case of reformation and revolution.

Donald Trump is not a member of the ruling society of America. We all know it. He is not an insider. He belongs to the upper class, but not the political ruling group. Everyone that has been in this position has gone through some indoctrination into this system, has made a place in the ruling class, and has belonged to the system of power before getting here. They have all gone to the same universities and have been in the same fraternities, they have all been in the cesspool of Congress.

Trump is a slimey, stupid guy. He's inappropriate, he's misinformed, and he's clumsy. He's embarrassing. But he isn't a part of the system that has the kind of indoctrination that has enabled individuals to go along with America's long tradition of imperialism. The kind of group think and disassociation that had lead to decisions to destabilize entire countries, bomb medical supply factories, and enable illegal civilian spying on a global level.

It's clear he is not going to be a good president. The majority of the changes he has already made, and most of the ones he campaigned for, are to help the high upper class. By abolishing the affordable care act he is giving a tax cut upwards of $1,000,000 a year to certain demographics. But whether or not he fits the mold for the center left criterias is not what I want to talk or argue about.

Throughout the election we witnessed the pull of the ruling class. We saw in the leaks that every major news outlet colluded with the DNC on electing Hillary Clinton. For everyone else who has been following all of this the whole time, who else here became completely numb to mainstream media after everything they put out was incorrect or absurdly exaggerated? For example, we knew that they were overpolling targeted demographics to show that Clinton had a large lead over Trump. They admitted to it over audio tape and e-mails. And then when Trump clumsily and idiotically tweets about not believing the polls, the same media who is implicated in overpolling makes headlines making fun of Trump for this. These news stories immediately reach #1 spots on places like Reddit. This happened over and over again. After seeing this so many times, who else here is immediately skeptical of anything reported in the news?

We saw leaked proof of logs between employees of CTR, and later leaked employee handbooks, all showing that what we suspected about fake posters on social media sites and fringe communities were true. If anyone else was looking at /r/politics prior to Bernie losing the primaries, the complete and total shift the subreddit made after the primaries was jarring. Overnight the entire subreddit shifted. Every comment that would have made #1 before the primaries was now mass downvoted. Wikileaks prior were celebrated, and every new expose of Clinton was discussed. Once the primaries were over, the subreddit increased in traffic and changed gears completely. Their fake comments and artificial rankings were rampent throughout all social media and parroted the sentiments of the media.
For anyone out there that feels insane right now when they look at this shit: there is real proof that they were doing all of this, you don't have to feel crazy. There are a ton of fake posts on all of these sites *still* and we know it.

Now that Trump has won the elections, it has been getting even worse. I repeat: Trump is not a member of the traditional ruling society of America.
If we ever wanted to see what kind of power or what kind of methods the ruling class would use if someone outside of their circle took power, we are finally getting to witness it. A war is going on. They are showing us that they control reality. They can rewrite history as it happens in real time. If the people in mass disagree with them on the internet, they can just replace the people until everyone follows suit. The riots over the inagauration- who remembers the recent media blackout on the Democracy Spring protests in DC? Anyone who has been interested in politics longer than this single election term knows that when a large movement in the US happens the media doesn't cover it if it goes against the political ruling class. If they do extensively cover something, you know something is wrong.

As leftists, we don't have a dog in this fight. The power struggle at hand is between a section of the upper class and the political ruling class. But we should pay close attention to how they wage this war, because if we ever want real change, this is the kind of thing we will be hit with.

Literally the only thing that changed is the side of the political spectrum. The political right fired at Obama even worse than the liberal media is firing at Trump right now. Trump is part of the ruling class, he is the fucking president of the US for God's sake, how ignorant do you have to be.

Trump is as part of the system as Bushes and Clintons? It's not just a shift from Democrat to Republican.

Lmao

Was never invited/has never been to Bohemian Grove. Tells you what you need to know.

Read a book.

Neither did Obama or Clinton. Few presidents actually have. Off of the top of my head I know of Nixon, Eisenhower and Bush.

Really forces you to ruminate.

American politics is essentially run and operated by a small group of northeastern elites. Trump was not one of them. This is a fact. He himself is an economic elite and certainly enjoys the company of other elites but he is not from the traditional elite clique.

You seem very well informed user.


Now it will be up to Holla Forums to decide who they support. The upper class (which Trump is a part of) … or the political elites in Washington (which Clinton, Bush and Obama were a part of).

And the Obama cabinet was hand picked by Citigroup. This is a strawman, it doesn't offer any insight into whether or not Trump is a part of the same ruling political insider group as Bushes and Clintons (which he is not, clearly)

idiot

We don't have to support anyone… it's better if we don't support anyone and watch this whole thing disinterested so that we can really learn from it without bias. This is "them vs. them", we have no identification with either of these groups

Make a reply to the post you quoted, newfag.

I'd been doubting the polls for quite some time, but they weren't as wrong as we believed. Clinton may never have had a 9% lead, but it's very hard to prove that because the lead the polls projected at the end of the campaign were pretty consistent with the actual results of the vote - she lost the election a percent or so ahead of Trump.

We know that the mainstream media sided more with her, but there are also other reasons that could contribute to this.

And what about this:

Frankly, their reporting on Trump was pretty accurate. Stuff that was more dubious was largely given less time. They pretty much literally just quoted Trump for ratings and then Trump would look at the quotes and accuse them of lying - but they were mostly being completely honest about what he was saying. It was basically his noise machine - he'd say something inaccurate or ~offensive~ himself, and they'd report that instead of Trump U. or the bankruptcies.

A conventional politician would have seen those last two things and the like become primary attacks, but Trump was spewing BS so constantly that his being an actual criminal was buried.

As for whether or not he was an outsider - frankly, yes and no. He goes against the "establishment" on the condition that specific members of the establishment are opposing him. Other than the Russia thing, he doesn't actually seem to espouse much ideologically to tick them off outside party lines. The guy is anti-Snowden, pro-Patriot Act, anti-Net Neutrality, and lines his cabinet with bankers and conservatives. Literally a rich celebrity who received personal compliments from Nixon and was hanging out with his opponent before the election.

Yes he is. Both Trump and Obama/Clinton are servitors of the bourgeoisie. Red team/blue team doesn't change the fact that they all have the same class interests in mind.

How about neither, you faggot.

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This reads like CTR the post.
We have proof that the media oversampled the polls, and we have proof that they colluded with the DNC.
The guy is also pro congressional terms and anti-TPP. Many of the places where he is in agreement with the ruling class are ones which pertain to the upper class in general, because lobbyist lines are pro upper class.

Just because I know the actual numbers: HRC won the popular vote by 2.1% and was predicted to win by 3.1% if we average the last 13 poll results before the vote took place.

Dude Hill got cucked out of the presidency. It's as clear as day.

Democracy is bullshit but damn the amount of cheating, Jim Crow voter surpression and just straight screwing over blue states with the EC is incredible.


Haha spoken like a true classcuck

1. There exists a political elite. However much real pull this group has in the world is debatable. But politics is a dirty social game and there is a definite elite clique in it. This is undeniable.

2. Trump is not a part of the political elite. The republican party ran against him throughout the parimaries and general election aswell. Where lobbyist interests and Trump's platform align are the common ground between Trump and the general political society (not necessarily the elite clique)

3. Clinton is a part of the political elite clique. She served in Senate and then as the Secretary of State. During her position she radically destabilized countries and was in line with everything we expect from this political elite group.

4. The media backlash and concerted groupthink efforts are a pointed attack from the political elite to Trump. That there is proof of media and Clinton collision for nearly every aspect of the media coverage - from polls to debate questions to headlines - proves this.

Which one of these axioms are in question here? Is someone seriously claiming that Clinton is not a part of the political elite? Is someone claiming that Trump is actually in the clique of groomed Senates? Is someone claiming the Clintons did not collude with the media?

But when they investigated voter fraud they shut it down as they just found over and over again that there was evidence for Democrats committing it.

DUDE Hilldawg got totally CUCKED though!
Haha Democracy is like totally bullshit I want a real REVOLUTION right guys?? But DUDE, Trump totally cheated!
classCUCKS right??

Assblasted lumpenprole detected.

Seriously this isn't debatable, if you get the most votes should win. Anything else just gives more votes to property or capital. Just because the US is full of lumpenproles who can't get off their dumbasses to vote doesn't mean the will of the people should be subverted

Jill found that 75k mostly black voters in Detroit had their vote for prez not counted because the optical scanner couldn't register their choice.

They refused to do a hand count. 87 percent of blacks voted Clinton. Trump won the Presidency by like 75k votes. How the fuck is this not fraud

So you're in support of a more federal government? Districts shouldn't have equal voting rights? Scrap the electorial college? Should we just get rid of states at this point? Should all voting power just be in the hands of the few largest cities in the US? Why are you even on this board?

Holla Forumstard posing as one of us forgot who just got made president of the US

See
The ruling elite are not just porkies.

All presidential candidates know the rules going into the race, and build their campaigns almost entirely around winning (or holding) swing states.

The electoral college isn't some arcane technicality that a particularly litigious Trump advisor just discovered (and exploited) in 2016

You're making it sound as if the 75k votes were all in that district. Clinton needed many more areas to win.

But this isn't even relevent to the discussion. The point still stands that someone from the elite upper class has been elected president instead of someone from the elite ruling class, that the ruling class did not want this, and that we are witnessing a backlash. This backlash is interesting to study because we can learn from it.

Fuck no, people should. Just because you live in bum fuck Egypt doesn't mean your votes counts for more


Fuck yes, next
Sure, redraw them so they all have the same amount of people if it makes you feel better
Sure, if said cities have the most voters. Cities wouldn't get special treatment either,
One citizen one vote

Why are you even on this board?
Why aren't you back at the GOP HQ

The EC exists because of states. People need to realize this. You cannot get rid of one without the other.

The EC is not in the constitution, you don't even need an act of congress to get rid of the EC, the states just need to change the laws governing it

Yes it is. It quite literally is.

I support the decenteralization of power everywhere. Fuck off if you support a stronger US government.

You're right, changing the EC doesn't require changing the constitution. The winner take all thing could be changed to giving all the votes to the popular candidate

Sure you do, which is why you support the EC, which strips proles of their voting rights

this is backwards

I don't get why the people ITT are denying what you're saying. The deep state is real and it's clear that Trump isn't part of it.

Why does the EC trigger liberals so much? America is a bunch of states that get together and elect a supreme executive to oversee their little council of bourgeois affairs known as the US congress. I

How so, how is it mathematically possible to lose while getting 3 million more votes unless some votes count more than others

Proles have next to no power to effect porky, how does screwing them out of their single avenue of change not piss you off

We have state elections where we can elect local as well as national level officials and representatives. If you want more democracy start there.

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I'm sorry to hear that. All the more reason to work locally instead of wasting time trying to change things nationally.

Please, the Feds are constantly unfucking local politics. You need the Feds to seriously democratize any power from the local gov.

That's part of the fucking problem - if people feel their impact on local politics is practically pointless because almost all real power has been concentrated on the federal level of course they'll focus their energy on the president, instead of local politics

Basically all of the pro-worker legistlation passed recently (minimum wage hikes, improved worker safety, union policies, marijuana legalization, etc) has been done at the state level. The federal government is not your friend. I know a lot of left leaning people think this way because of muh civil rights era but that's fucking wrong nowadays.

That true, it's also true that there are more states that didn't increase the men wage or worker safety and would absolutely fuck workers harder right now if the Feds didn't stop them

really makes you think huh

that they can be both bourgeois and an elite ruling class at the same time is impossible right