But you are also appealing to nature to your argument, so now you're just fucked because you said nature would crush anything non-hierarchal.
When confronted that nature in fact, does not, and hierarchy appears to be left over in terms of primate behavioral success, than what the fuck is it that you are arguing about society on a grander scale you were before?
Maybe you should be asking yourself that. First you argue hierarchy doesn't exist, now you accept it exists but you claim something else completely unrelated about nature killing us. Hierarchy happens, deal with it.
Trust me I'm asking myself why I'm arguing with someone who appeals to biology he doesn't even read of plenty.
It does not exist as a primary function of human behavior as you suggest it does. If primates mostly have more hierarchy based needs (needs that suspiciously tend to branch out the farther taxonomically they are from hominids), then what makes you think nature selected hierarchy to be the adaption we most benefit from when it appears to be one of our lesser terms of success and outwardly our closest relatives reflect such? Even outside of that.
Even something so far away as baboons have troubles dealing with hierarchy all in similar ways that coordination does not fix.
The remainder of evidence here seems to suggest "hierarchy", if it does indeed exist in primates, is a vestigial remnant behavior that at worst causes destruction of long term organizational goals among a species primed for organization.
My point is also that, on top of being offensively wrong on biological fronts, you are also offensively wrong on all fronts.
There is no hierarchy amongst people that is not, as society envisions, a ladder to organize.
It is actually a means of different niches even the disabled can explore, as indeed many great thinkers throughout time were disabled and would not fit in the society you envision as natural, which would seem to suggest nature does not strictly select these people for lack of participation in our society than it does anyone else.
Nobody is really all that special, and in the grander scheme of things, all evidence points to the contrary that you are wrong on every single fundamental level that it is ever a good idea to organize around individuality than lack of it.
You already admitted hierarchy exists. You can stop posting.
I am admitting it is not the reason we organize, and you don't even understand what it does or means.
You simply got your political understanding from the internet.
No. Goodbye.
Hierarchy exists some of the time, holarchy exists always its built into the structure and nature of reality
I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish.