To all you anti DPRK liberals in here, what part of the DPRK is not a democratic republic...

To all you anti DPRK liberals in here, what part of the DPRK is not a democratic republic? In it's constitution it states that the state is PUBLIC property, in contrast in Saudi Arabia the state is the Monarchs personal property. This is what makes it a republic. Whats more is that it follows an organisational structure that takes inspiration from Maoist policy, this is what makes it a peoples republic. It also has an electoral policy, while slightly flawed, has significant impact on the regime policy based on results. Now if we want to consider certain historical movements democratic (like renaissance era merchant republics, Indian governments, and some modern era non liberal democracies) North Korea fits this definition quite well, it is just not a liberal democracy. While what you could define these definitions as is certainly up to debate, the name of the democratic peoples republic of Korea is far from ridiculous and fits extremely well within academic context.

Also a reminder that socialism is state capitalism
The owners are the workers and get excess production shared share between.
In any system the production of resources must be equal or exceed or it doesn't work. The workers have a body (government) leadership which makes policy for worker conditions.

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nkeconwatch.com/nk-uploads/felix-abt-article.pdf
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Jason?

Top kek this faggot

You have to abolish capitalism before the state can wither away

Citation needed

We have been abolishing capitalism since 1917, all you have done is failed revolutions

So why is there still capitalism in the DPRK

Citation needed

Good meme.

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Vanguard class owning the means of production =/= Workers owning the means of production
It's really that simple.

Now watch as the tankiddie falls into a spiral of rage and denial

asiabiznews.net/project-contracts-tenders-rfp-rfq-resources/how-to-do-business-in/North Korea.html

Did you even read my post?

I am not reading all that shit

Nice try, I will laugh when based Assad takes back Rojava.

Kek, first comes the denial!

You anarchkiddies(liberals) are not smart enough to make your own arguments

I've read it, twice. Just because you say the workers own the means of production doesn't make it so.
Capitalism is also still present in NK.

You're just mad that you aren't in control. Typical of tankies.

Nice shitpost.

Also, present a good socialist critique of Rojava (Now the Federation of Northern Syria).

Pro tip: You can't.

Where?

I don't like it it's a shitpost!
I provided substance and arguments, actual discussion. All other threads on this site is circle jerk low effort threads. You just don't want anyone to rustle your jimmies.

You were just provided two sources. Let's try again.

hongkongkate.com/274/doing-business-in-north-korea.htm
nkeconwatch.com/nk-uploads/felix-abt-article.pdf
a-capitalist-in-north-korea.com/

I'm also looking forward to the proof of how the Ba'athist regime is more socialist (worker ownership of the MoP) than Rojava.

> It also has an electoral policy, while slightly flawed

10/10 shitpost.

See

Now comes the second part, the rage!

Attackers might be trying to steal your information from a-capitalist-in-north-korea.com (for example, passwords, messages or credit cards)

It's not going to work buddy, stop trying to phish

You could easily argue that the DPRK isn't socialist, is capitalist, is revisionist, is racialist etc but if you actually think its a monarchy you're pretty retarded and probably don't even know what that means.

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they've had three generations of the same family ruling, how is that not a monarchy?

t b h Stalin was a shitty capitalist, Lenin was actually the one who transformed Russia into a capitalist power house

Not phishing, just idiot web admins not switching to https in current year. (Using https everywhere here)

Just look up the book Capitalist in North Korea by Felix Abt. (Or use http if you're wearing an internet condom)

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Defending North Korea seems like a losing game

Southern gooks sure as hell can't compete with Best Korea on qt women

To be honest, even South Koreans admit North Korean girls are naturally more beautiful. Same in China, they generally think northern Chinese are more beautiful and southern Chinese are a bit homely.

southern gooks are corrupted by capitalism and americanization.
They look like they consist of 50% plastic and they also look like sluts,while the northern ones looks pure and natural.

Capitalist liberalism corrupts everything

3d waifu said the dprk looks nice and wouldn't be opposed to living there. the propaganda isn't working too well on the normies

but for some reason asians are corupted more by it

Have you fucking seen European women?

Capitalist countries have attractive women, communist countries have broken women with worn hands from labour. You are believing propaganda from a forced labour dictatorship shithole. What a pathetic loser

Capitalist societies have populations corrupted by hedonism, materialism and liberalism. In NK there are firm gender roles and men are complementary to the woman.

How can you achieve socialism through the shackles of "traditional" gender roles?

I don't see how the two are contradictory.

offcourse i have but atleast many off them still looks natural unlike the south korean or japanese chicks

why the fuck not?

"CITATION NEEDED"???!?!?!?!?!?

GO READ MARX YOU STUPID SHIT! WHY DO YOU PRETEND TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MARX WHEN YOU ARE ASKING THE MOST BASIC QUESTIONS?

srlsy educate yourself

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Holy shit this is actually relevant instead of just a nonsequiter for once.

Good meme but

Bakunin was a poor spirit, and poorer economist.

rip maggotmaster

Your picture of South vs North indicates otherwise though? The "North Korean" barely looks like a woman there

The DPRK has nothing to do with the left at all, the theory is purely a racial theory, the country has nothing to do with even fucking MLism.
Any support from the authoritarian left "MLs, Stalinists, Maoists etc.." to the DPRK is a damning proof that you are nothing but a rhetoric whore that doesn't care about actual politics, economics, and leftist theory

Read B.R. Myers you faggot and watch this:
youtube.com/watch?v=jy1iudsIKa8&t

"Democratic republic" indicates a representative government which has representatives elected by the citizens. When there is a single party which appoints rulers without free elections, as in all communist countries, it cannot possibly either democratic OR republican. No nation that I am aware of which bears the words "democratic republic" in that exact order withing the name has ever qualified as being either.

It's almost as if the term is just a propaganda label, lol

Why would being forced into joining the army or working in a factory be a good thing

They officially do have multiple parties. The GDR officially had multiple parties, too.

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"Serve the people?"

And yeah I don't want to die for politicians or vague ideals, sorry

Not really, they're just front groups in both examples, not independent parties. But as Rick Wolff said, introducing true multiparty democracy isn't the solution, because in the GDR (and North Korea) they'd just be manipulated in the same way they're manipulated in private capitalism.

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Which heroes? And I don't even smoke pot

When the army does infrastructure and feeds people, then I'll consider it "serving" "da people" and maybe something everyone should do.

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Dying is for the weak

Well outside a war situation, a socialist republic's military would be used for that. I mean it was even used for that in the USSR, which wasn't getting into wars left and right, unlike the US was (and is). And yeah, men and women would be drafted, probably after secondary school and the numbers would be used to build a strong defense and to do socially useful things like building and distributing as necessary, and kids would be doing useful things in these years instead of just goofing off and smoking pot. Don't be such a lazy pussy.

I don't see how this would be a good thing, it sounds rather repressive and how is "defense" "useful"?

I don't see how this would be "repressive", it would prevent some military caste from forming and would make the public intimately connected to the military and have a vested interest in it not going awry. It'd ideally be the "serve the people directly" years for citizens. Also if you dont think defending yourself from attack is useful, you're delusional

That sounds more like a military dictatorship than socialism and sounds very anti-freedom if you ask me. You don't need much to defend yourself

How the hell is it a military dictatorship, I don't advocate the military run society or anything, I'm just talking about a peoples military in a socialist state

At least they got the right beauty standards in north korea.

Short hair best hair.

You call that shit attractive? Unwieldy long hair, caked on makeup and ridiculous unpractical bodily ideals?

Well in America it's unpractical because Americans are obsese fatasses. And North Koreans are starving chink gimps

Everyone having to go into the army to "defend the nation" and do "useful shit" sounds like a military junta to me

Then you know jack shit about military juntas, almost all of which came from military castes and career officers, usually anti communist and right wing. You'd know this if you had actually read about them, which shouldn't be hard, given they've been numerous since the start of the 20th century

I thought socialism was about maximizing freedom?

Social responsibility is necessary for freedom to mean anything, come on now

Enjoying fucking your fat wife with short hair and a pale spotty face I guess

How is this "social responsibility"?

Have fun with your 32 party-approved haircuts, then. I love tankies who fetishize aesthetics and prioritize them over actual human liberation - I'm sure that when Marx explicitly said that that gender roles would become meaningless under the industrial order, he really meant "defend an increasingly obsolescent division of labour and uphold reactionary social mores which lack a serious justification in the modern economic system even as we blow capitalism and all formulas away"

Discipline, social utility, service, stuff like that

That sounds pretty fucking repressive if the state can just enforce shit like that. especially through a fucking military

Then literally every state on Earth that has ever existed is beyond repressive

People will have to pull their weight in socialism and that includes serving in a socialist military if so needed

Sounds rather control-freakish

Well, yeah

Well I don't agree with that, I'm just disputing the idea that people need to "pitch in" for society

But officially, yes.

That doesn't matter. It's not an actual multiparty system

Everyone should pitch in you lazy fuck

isn't that lecture redundant when you read the book?

I riked this interview because it's sort of an update of the book youtube.com/watch?v=obWvR92I-lw

The DPRK doesn't even claim to be communist anymore

They realized that not even their own people would buy it at this point

Now their only official "ideology" is Juche, which basically comes down to "the Kims are your supreme rulers, do whatever they say"

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Apparently NK is considered a "family dictatorship" as opposed to a monarchy (and it's not the only nation with that going on).

Now what the difference between "family dictatorship" and monarchy actually is I couldn't tell you, but that's what they're calling it.

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I should note that the "they" who are calling it that are political scientists and stuff

But anyways according to the Wikipedia article the only real difference is that family dictatorships use titles that are normally associated with elected positions (e.g. president, prime minister) and the requirement that the successor be a member of the family is implicit rather that explicit

Political Science 101; democracy is characterized by competitive elections - variance in what party/faction wins. A republic is any governmental system in which transfers of power are not hereditary.

The DPRK lacks competive elections; no other party has ever won high office. Leadership has also only been transferred to other members of the ruling Kim family when the incumbent ruler dies. For all intents and purposes, they're a monarchical state that's replaced the religious component of "divine command" with some kind of weird, near fascist-tier sense of nationalism and militarism.

Juche is still communism

reuters.com/article/idUSSEO253213

Seems like she's just out of bed. Which is cute because, especially in comparison to the women wearing make up having raised eyebrows, which is quite intimidating, it makes her seem childish and approachable.But it's only a good look in that context.

Anywhere else it would make the woman look dishevelled and disorganised.

left is way cuter

READ STATE AND REVOLUTION

READ THE FUCKING MANIFESTO ITS A TINY LITTLE FUCKING BROCHURE YOU LAZY FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT NIGGER WHORE