Reads Stalin, Lenin etc

I like her. The conservatives, liberals and socdems already think of her as the worst tankie who wants to make the GDR great again because of her staunch anti-capitalism and the rest of the left, including large swathes of her own party, whine and accuse her of being a crypto-fash populist because she does not unconditionally support idpol and immigration. She does not condemn them either, but merely questioning them is enough to trigger everybody.

Right now, she might be one of the most charismatic and sharp German politicians at the federal level. I have a hard time coming up with somebody who can compare.

So yeah. Tankie or not, she's one of the best chances the current German left has to actually bother Porky.

kek

and yeah of course you can, it's more that people like you clearly have a virulent hatred of every single socialist project in history, that's why no cunt likes you.

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wrong

Iran literally means Aryan

If you're going to use Indo-European symbols be consistent

Oh come on could at least have had it erasing the leninism. There is nothing wrong with Marxism in and of itself.

No. Her initial "Stalinism" was only a show to spite the BRD, she's a socdem.

Marxism-Leninism is the name of the ideology, user. That's why the hyphen is there. Marxism is bae.

She is freaking the idpol crowd out by openly opposing lumpen immigration.

Wagen? Wagen the class war, more like.

She is a soc dem through and through and balls deep involved with the political establishment (which is probably unavoidable if you take part in it in any remotely successful way). She might hold views which are sympathetic towards authoritarian ideas, but that doesn't change how she acts and conducts herself right now.

No, that's not the reason. I'm not idpol and disliked her comments on the migration problem as well. She made use of far-right populist language and propaganda in order to draw in voters from their side and was sympathetic towards the neoliberal, populist AfD party in some sorry bastardized Querfront attempt. It's perfectly fine to criticize the current situation as what it is: A capitalist ploy to import a cheap slave wage class. But that's not what she is criticized for.

Have you?

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No.

BULLSHIT. You are just repeating what you heard in the media campaign. Read the actual transcript of the interview and stop being a useful idiot for the establishment.

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Wagenknecht means something like 'wagon servant'. In the Netherlands everyone had to choose a last name during Napoleon's occupation. Many chose last names after their professions, so you'll find a lot of people with last names like 'bakker' and 'visser'. Usually, when someone has 'van der' as last name, their ancestors were royalty, who already had last names before Napoleon came.

I'm jealous of how active the German left is

youtube.com/watch?v=sI5IUtRm1Pg

youtube.com/watch?v=WcAUkEB-zzk

youtube.com/watch?v=ur86VJqBkko

Deutsch bros fill me in please.

Why is the AfD more popular than the The Left party?

lol

I read the actual transcript of the interview, in its native language. I am politcally active in Die Linke and member of the party…

shit wifu fam

one of these or bust

I think you are mixing up the Dutch and the Germans here. The German "von" is a strong indicator of royalty, the Dutch "van" not so much.

Proofs of your membership? Just link the interview text.

You're assuming nazi fag knows what he's talking about.

because the left failed
gg fag

True. Even the Not Socialist party wasn't socialist.

ze mag mijn knecht wel zijn als je begrijpt wat ik bedoel ;)

Many reasons.

1. the AfD uses populist tactics that work very well elsewhere, attacking everybody else. Die Linke doesn't, probably for political reasons - attacking capitalism directly would make them lose support and impossible to get into any coalition.
2. Most German media smear anything left of the SPD at every occasion. They might quote Die Linke, but sure as hell won't take them seriously; they're almost systematically presented as the idealistic crazies.
3. Die Linke was founded by a breakup fraction of the SPD and the successor of the ruling party of the GDR. Their members are accused of being commies and/or past Stasi collaborators, dangers to the Federal Republic. Both a good part of the population and the state itself believes this, since the political police (AKA Verfassungsschutz) have parts of the party under surveillance.
4. Most people still thing the Greens and the SPD are "left".

pupilfag here. Once a SPD and a die Grüne politicians from the Bavarian Landtag visited our class for a Q&A (I forgot the names), when someone asked what they thought about red red green coalition the SPD woman said she approved of it as an idea, the green one however said that while SPD is fine, die Linke "just seemed too extreme" for her.

is the first one katja kipping or whatever the name was?

The Anarkiddy is very much spot on.
Die Linke is sucking the socdem cock really hard and wants to be noticed by their senpai to have coalitions. Their initial success through chosing to work hard in the opposition rather than being compromised is getting smothered through their coalitions, the only thing they benefit of is the complete irrelevance and ridiculousness of the SPD.

yes
almost tempted to vote for the party but I won't, I'm faithful to Frauke-chan

Cat Boyd is best leftfu

user this is fucking disgusting
kill yourself

The revolution where porky kills the people, right?

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"Co-government at all costs has no majority in the left. And in the face of a clear-cut black-green top-flight to the Greens and an SPD chairman, who is now constantly making approaches to the FDP, everyone can decide for himself how likely he holds a left-wing government participation. By the way: A government with the participation of the left, which at the core of the present policy continues, would be a dream project for the rulers. The left would be dead. The Left would weaken the only parliamentary vote for higher wages, better pensions, fiscal justice and a consistent peace policy. And if you want to weaken a party, you have to dismantle their top personnel. We should be careful not to make the political opponent's work easier."

jungewelt.de/2017/01-21/073.php

As much as i despise Die Linke and Wagenknecht, she's the least stupid leading figure they have. That's as far as i'll go with making compliments.

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isn't that just great

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you forget the best thing
>voted in neither

Oh, gotta read that interview. AFAIK currently the rest of Die Linke is whining about how she's ruining the chances of a SPD-Linke-Green coalition in the Bundestag and so on, but I also think she's damn right. I can only see a left coalition working the way it should with Die Linke as the biggest party and the smouldering remains of the SPD and the Greens in tow, but what are the chances of this happening? On the other hand, Germany cannot and will not tolerate four more years of Merkel.

The next federal election is going to suck.

You don't know the Germans very well. My fellow citizens will gladly take 4 more years of Merkel, sadly. Unless some movement takes up significant steam very soon we will be ruled by CDU/SPD for the next 4 years with Merkel as the figurehead.

wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

Bald, meine Freunde

wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ ???
LÜGENPRESSE

reminder, Brexit and Trump have zero chance of winning

The ´´polls were wrong´´ meme must die. The polls were actually fairly accurate, for example with Trump they generally predicted a small lead for HRC, which when we look at the popular vote held true. The polls for Brexit towards the end were also extremely close and with Brexit behind and ahead depending on what poll you looked. What sucked wasn't the polls but the reporting on it and how they were interpreted. Hell, 538 gave HRC only a 60% chance in the first place precisely because polls largely measured national support and did rarely account for electoral outcomes.

To prove my point: I just looked at the last 13 national polls. They had HRC ahead by 3.1 points on average. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. That's clearly within the margin of error and no significant failure in polling.

She's not very nice in real life.

Kind of rude tbqh.

so Edwin van der Sar was royalty?

same reason right wing populists are rising everywhere

crisis of capitalism, immigration, liberal EU hand-wringing etc

There's literally nothing wrong with slaughtering sexual deviants, not willing to work hard minorities and dissenters, and fighting imperialism. Its a hard work that brings fruit of better society and human civilization.

Of course they will. CDU and SPD have utter trash as their personnel because Merkel purged the CDU of critical thinkers (or people who think in general) and the SPD is corrupted to the core where actual SocDems are systematically being bullied. Look how the SPD is currently hyping that neoliberal alcoholic Schulz, only to decide not to burn him this year because next election is going to be a nosedive no matter the candidate and Gabriel is widely hated anyway.

Just watch any talkshow, even though they are set up pro-establishment with five people yelling at one opposition member and still they manage to get BTFO by a random AfD guy all the time. Without Merkel, they would seriously struggle to even go over 50% with SPD-CDU-Grüne.

People either whine about how Die Linke is the successor of the SED or see them as in cahoots with the ruling party cartel. The latter is sort of their own fault though.

Also, on a larger scale, you see that right-wing populism emerges in those countries where neoliberalism has stripped away the SocDem welfare state. People are just noticing how their lives become more miserable, and Germany is one of the countries where social systems and public property have been massively fucked in the arse, and even the once that still exist, like healthcare, are badly designed and need reforms but that's impossible due to our political system which was created to ensure stability and prevent change.

The only reason the AfD is not at 50% right now is because Germans are absolute classcucks, only the Japanese are more classcucked.
I know but it's just an outlet for people that notice something is wrong with the system and socialism is widely hated in Germany or ridiculed. Just yesterday a "comedy" movie won a price for portraying Honecker as a literal retard that falls down the stairs and stuff. Great art, you know.

I'm gonna be moving to Germany in a couple of years comr8s. Which party do I join once I'm there?

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Die Linke. Right now there is no other feasible alternative. DKP and MLPD are the other two parties to consider, but they're incompetent and have less than 2´000 members.

Join FAU, they are pretty nice Anarcho-Syndicalists, part wise I would also recommend die Linke.

Die Linke and make sure you associate yourself with actual leftists and not stupid IdPolers, remember Die Linke is a big, broad, non-sectarian party with lots of tendencies under its roof.

Fun fact.
BILD actually fears the Russian will put her in charge instead of Frau Kepetry.

BILD actually helped create the AfD to steal away the protest voters of the Left. What actually happened is that they started to undermine CDU and FDP votes.
And basically the AfD is BILD incarnated.

You won't be able to join Die Linke without encountering idpol. I'm part of Die Linke and they're everywhere, but it's not really an issue. Identity politics aren't huge in Germany yet and a few non-hostile discussions and you will be able to educate them how to properly fight for whatever cause is dear to them from an anti-capitalist standpoint, which will make them allies to the class struggle.

I've seen you post this already. It's bullshit actually.

Yeah, dont go in with explicit anti feminism or MRA bullshit and you can expect to have some ok discussions as long as you dont become to confrontative and argue reasonably

While its a bit exaggerated, BILD propaganda clearly created the atmosphere where the AfD can thrive.

This is now accelerated by huge amounts of liberals now joining because they want to make a statement against the sexism and racism of the AfD but aren't actual leftists. Die Linke currently has record numbers in terms of new members.

I strongly disagree. SJWs aren't big here (they are an American phenomenon tbh) but IdPol is very powerful.

So did literally every outlet else because they have no idea when to stop lying

Yep you wont meet real SJWs, well atleast not that ofthen , but you will see tons of ideology

archive.is/ss7yd

What most people don't understand is that the BILD isn't right or left. They used to be conservative but not anymore, they have fucking Alice Schwarzer writing for it and one of their employees probably wears a Che Guevara shirt.

The BILD is an outlet for transatlantic neoliberals. Nothing else. Whatever serves their agenda is being appropriated, and whatever threatens the transatlantic hegemony over the political culture is being fought.

Only in University cities

I think you're right, I should have specified SJWs instead of identity politics. I sometimes forget that idpol encompasses more than the HRC camp.

True, but I think every single one of them can be an ally. When people join Die Linke they're becoming aware that something is going very wrong in this country and to explain to them how racism and feminism are utilized by the ruling class to keep capitalism going, especially explaining how Merkel is allowing millions of refugees into Germany not out of compassion but the need for cheap slave labor, will open their eyes and provide a gateway to anti-capitalist critique.

What are the left-wing parties in Germany like?

Die Linke, DKP, KPD (1990), MLPD, PSG, SAV etc

Die Linke: Fractured but getting their shit together, slowly

Rest: A joke

She supports conservatives by the merit of them being the only party that fields a woman as their leader.

Feminists are politically hollow. Nothing new.

And Bild are still right-wing assholes who ralley against everything that is left.

Alice Schwarzer is hated by feminists in Germany

No, everywhere. Basically the whole German guilt thing that gets summoned everywhere is massive IdPol.

Adolf truly haunts us from whatever level of hell he is roasting in. Germans have like an abusive relationship with him. On one hand he is the all-encompassing Damokles sword over the German identity, but on the other hand, everything with him becomes an immediate bestseller (Der Untergang, Er ist wieder da, Somuncus Mein Kampf readings, etc..)

This. This, this, this. This is the most important point and I have no idea why the Linke let's the AfD articulate that and don't repeat this like a fucking clockwork. Right now only Wagenknecht does and the media tries to make look right-wing but her party doesn't have her back.

As far as I can tell a coalition of 6 factions who hate each other but are sticking together, because each of them think they can get dominance over the other.
Unfortunately it's in our best interest for them not to fall apart, because their presence actually forced the all-party coalition to ease the constant onslaught against workers. But it's still going on, though.
Also the constant infightings and the uneasiness prevents them from raising above 10%, but it is getting somewhere. Their members are unusually compared to others and they are a strong case of "love them or hate them" no inbetweens.

They have strongholds in 4 cities or so. Half of them cooperates with Linke, half of them don't.

Literally who?

Only active in a few cities and these aren't even their strongholds. Met a few of them and they are quite contrarians. Got 0.1% last election.

Trotzkists, same as above. Got 0.0% last election.

literally who?

k-p-d.org/

I an understand that. But she managed to link herself with feminism so much, that it's basically inseparable.

She always mourned the fact, that the sex-pos feminists won the Sex Wars (unlike in the USA) and now is getting a second wind by them.

Her tax-dodging bullshittery doesn't do her any good. And she also pulled the woman card, when it came to persecution by the taxmen.

Non-sectarian mass party with some commies in. Official standpoint is Sanders tier SocDem
Decent, very Marxist with a good amount of MLs
They're like a cult lol. MLs but they are like scientology. For some reason they shit out money and have some rich donor
Stalinists, alright I guess as long as you don't have LibSoc tendencies
I don't personally care for Trotzkists so idk

dunno how it disappeared

Bild is clearly rightwing and is the media wing of the CDU but besides that you are right

The great work die Linke does in the NSU and BND investigation commitees and their general pestering of the governments and occasionally even leaking secret material, shouldnt go unmentioned

MLPD build a hospital in Kobane but besides that they are useless

Really? They seem a lot more left wing than that. What's their platform/policy?

The hospital in Kobane was the only good thing the MLPD did. They are massive sectarians and their members are entire families who only know people within the party.

On rallies they tend to alienate other organisations by trying to hijack the whole thing and generally people are tired of their bullshit. And I say that as a ML myself. Also, where the fuck do they get their money from? Something is really fishy about them.

Their leadership is traditionally a more radical leftist like Wagenknecht (who has market socialist tendencies) together with a reformist SocDem.

You'll find plenty of actual Socialist there varying from LibSocs to MLs. It's just they can't really speak up because that would be the death of the party, but a lot of people inside Die Linke hide their powerlevel

Many of the big donations are inheritances and old people feeling guilty.

Their youth organisation and the originally SPD affiliated but now more indepent Falken are basically commies

does the FDJ really still exist?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_German_Youth

They are forced to do so. Germans listen a lot of what their media has to tell them. Remember how all the sympathy for Greece disappeared after 3 months of relentless campaigning by BILD, Spiegel, Focus, FAZ and all the others.

What is Falken?

Yes, but they are completely insignificant.

Linksjugend Solid is a better alternative.

Yes but absolutely irrelevant. Since they are basically perpetuating a DDR institution, nobody would ever want to be affiliated with them because of the massive anti-DDR narrative in the BRD.

Their party affiliated foundation doesnt hide its powerlevel at all though. Related to that I find it hilarious how Rosa Luxemburg is basically unattackable and you can name everything after her without getting any issues.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Youth_of_Germany_–_Falcons

wir-falken.de/

Wtf is this thing? Is that a person in a falcon costume?

Rosa died early and was killed by Nazis which means it is socially accepted to have her as an icon.

Even though she wasn't any less radical than other revolutionaries who are being smeared as ruthless psychos. Liberal ideology at work

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I recently was at the Rosa Luxemburg Platz in Berlin, and there are revolutionary quotes all over it on the ground. Like this one:
"Zunächst ist der heutige Staat - eine Organisation der herrschenden Kapitalistenklasse."

I really think that stuff like this makes leftist ideas more approachable and keeps them alive as an option of analysis in the public mind.

Sometimes they don't yes. But most of the times, especially East Germany related stuff

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Liebknecht-Haus

… it says "falken", it's not hard to take a guess on what it could translate to. the link in the comment you reply to even says it.

fun fact (except it's not funny):
the FDJ of west germany had a slightly different emblem which is a symbol of an illegal organisation, the FDJ however, thanks to unity treaties, is completely legal.
same goes for the KPD which was outlawed in the BRD but re-founded 1990 in the DDR.

Which one are you refering to? Lead by Thorsten Schöwitz?
Do the other groups even still exist, like KPD-ML?

underrated

the only outstanding thing about your hat posts is really the poor editing effort.
also, the AfD will join next to Linke and Grüne in opposition, the "Great Coalition" will continue even as a minority government - with the current trend continuing.

Because "Die Linke" kind of sucks. (well, the AfD also sucks, but whatever)
And germans are pissed off and dont want mass immigration and muslims anymore.
Same thing as America and Trump to be honest.
Kind of wish the right wing voted NPD instead.
Ultra-nationalist and racist, but at least they (somewhat) care about the working class and care about the environment.
And liberals would go fucking insane, which is always nice.

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And yet CDU and SPD are the best ranked parties right now.

They are massively losing everywhere and only keep themselves in power through grand coalitions. Even when they would lose majority they can just add the Greens and it's fine again.

Why even live?

Never say never user

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The national polls don't matter though. The very high confidence that the media had in a Clinton victory was based on seriously inaccurate polling in crucial states.

72%, and that was seen as very cautious by other pundits.

Nah, the final polls were spread between Remain +10 and Leave +2, only one pollster predicting a Leave win, with the eventual result being Leave +4. That's bad.

I already agreed that the reporting on it/interpretation of the polls sucked. Doesn't mean the polls were wrong and I earlier 'only listed polls myself' when I was arguing the AfD is around 13% right now, which is why this whole discussion got kicked off in the first place.

You read that on Holla Forums?
ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

That's not what I'm saying.

They were wrong though, as I've said. I'm not going to repeat myself.

No, I read it in the actual news at the time. Your source largely confirms what I said, and because it is selective it leaves out more polls that show Remain's clear apparent advantage going in to the vote. My memory was only slightly wrong, as apparently there were two polls giving Leave a (tiny) lead, not one.