"Pepe's become kind of a symbol…"

Make better arguments, I have nothing in common with Nazis, or desire to leave in their autistic vision of what society should be. They are cancer.

top kek

Shame the ol' momma interrupted him, I think he was going to go on a tangent about lefties being horrible violent people.

Ever been punched in the ear in the cold? Fucking hurts.

It does but a jaw shot would have been better.

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lmao you incel faggots will never outnumber us. sounds like you're mad

This is why you need to bring a crowbar or bat to these protests. You need something that can down a fascist in a single strike.

the attacker was clearly white

was that because he was trying to appropriate pepe as a symbol?

And?

Praise spooks

So you know climate change is real?

Cuck away Nazi Zionists ass licker.

as long as you nazbols are against fascists i've got no problem with you guys

Bring it Fashy.

Does Nazbols troll Holla Forums occasionally?

Red pepe uprising!

What did kek mean by this?

Chaos God's are not known for their kindness or benevolence towards their worshippers.

Spencer seems like a nice guy tbh. Don't agree with his ideology though.. why can't people just discuss ideas? ;(

So is #WhiteGenocide real or not

Why would the food run out? I thought Trump was gonna make America great again.

Pls stop, you're giving us Islamic socialists a bad name.

Spencer is a fascist, and the last time fascists were given free reign to talk, 6 million Jews died. Also, punching fascists is good.

Salam

Listen to one of his speeches. The guy wants to remove all non-white and form a white space. Ethnic nationalism is fucking stupid in America and must be destroyed.

This poor lady in the backgrounds sign is so funny

Holy shit what a pussy.

You're retarded.

Checked.

cointel/pol/ fuck off

He keeps saying "um I'm not a supremacist, just a nationalist, totally different!!" and claims to be peaceful. But has he ever explained how all non-whites are gonna go peacefully? I mean, I know I'm not.

Keep trying to sage. It won't work. We're laughing at your cuck leader.

11 million Germans were exterminated. More than 60 million people died in the war. Why do you care about Jews more than other people?

I'm confused as to why you have that flag.

*Germans and people from occupied countries

Islamic socialism…. why not just Islamism akhi?

Probably because Eurasian hereditary nationalism is completely different from some capitalist ex-slave society?

gb2/pol/

America as a nation has never had a coherent ethnic identity. Only a small percentage of Americans are Anglo anymore. Ethnic nationalism only serves porky there.

Troubling that, even in times like these, the liberal mental disorder still holds so many people in thrall.

lmao

Why r u an islamic socialist? Islam is a complete way of life. It already encompasses a political and economic system.

You fucks have no idea how much of a weak spot the ear is.

Yeah, it's just a term you coined and championed.

We shouldn't want him hurt. Just dead.

It's a very weak spot but he reacted like he'd never been punched before.

Thing is, they're so conflict averse it only took a flick of the wrist and the concept of facing him for him to back down. He'd be on his ass in no time with that monstrosity on his back.

He went to a good school and has an advanced liberal arts degree. The guy is an effete intellectual.

Tricky Dick in the OP was the one who coined it.
Just about no one on 8/pol/ self-describes themselves as "alt-right" and whenever someone creates a thread on 8/pol/ vouching for the "alt-right" it will always get shit on.
You can try it for yourself.

Guys…apparently it happened twice!

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/richard-spencer-alt-right-punched-donald-trump-inauguration-a7538746.html

What's funny is these ideas can't withstand the lightest scrutiny, but since the economic base is starting to crumble, and some people will literally never chance, especially since they lack any other alternative ideology thanks in part of the American govt, this kind of shit is bound to happen.

Debate should happen, but don't be surprised there's violence against people 10 feet deep in ideology. Both are need ultimately, I think.

Muslims are basically Holla Forumsyps anyway. At least a decent chunk anyway.

When's the last time antifa knocked out a Zionist?

We are being oppressed. Just give us an ethno state. We don't want to live around you and God knows none of you want to live around us.

White is not an ethnicity kid.

Because you ditched it /after/ it got popular. Revisionist.

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White can mean whatever white nationalists want it to mean :^)

nice try FBI

No?

wat?

At least he's honest that Neo Nazis don't like him.

Not really.
When retards were using the label there at least half of users was always opposed to it since it's obviously a subversion tactic.
Even if you want to consider 8/pol/ "alt-right" for some retarded reason, Richard Spencer regardless quite clearly can't be the leader given that it's an anonymous platform.

*there were

I'm just giving an example. Calm down

Why would anybody lie and say "neo-nazis like me"?

That's odd because I remember it as a subversion tactic against twitter that backfired when people who weren't quite as hardline fascist as you started adopting the label as their own.

Someone post that webm of his where he goes full right-wing idpol

I'm not aware of an economic system espoused by Islam. There are rules/regulations such as prohibition of interest, but not an actual economic system.

Btw, are you a supporter of Hizb ut-Tahrir?

Maybe 4/pol/ users commonly did that, but one of the main qualities of 8/pol/'s userbase is about not giving a shit single about PR, so that version of the story doesn't really make sense.
Even TRS and IronMarch users get along better together then they do with 8/pol/ users.

Atheists are basically center-libs that say "Love trumps hate". At least a decent chunk anyway.

Atheists have their own spooks, but at least they left out one of the biggest ones.

One function of the Sharia is to specifically protect private property.

Alright, that's where the discussion ends, I guess. Have a nice day comrade

[Citation needed]

Im not a fan of hizb ut tahrir they are kind of useless. Islam protects private property and many other things but also has many socialist leaning policies.
I reccomend you read Ahkam Al Sultaniyya to understand Islamic gov't
kalamullah.com/Books/Al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah.pdf
Also read The economic system of islam
khilafahbooks.com/wp-content/ebook-download/english/khilafah/economic_system_islam_khilafahbooks_com.pdf

AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

He's not memeing, faggot, jesus christ.
Atheists and theists are almost as spooked as each other. Same thing with the moral and the amoral.

There is consesus among the muslim scholars that private property is protected.
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allaah, what do you think if a man comes wanting to take my property? He said: “Do not give him your property.” He said: What if he fights me? He said: “Fight him.” He said: What if he kills me? He said: “Then you will be a martyr.” He said: What if I kill him? He said: “He will be in Hell.” Narrated by Muslim (140).

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Heh
Why do fashies love that haircut?
I saw one on the bus today, and wondered if it was his goal to look gay af

Why are you so hetero normative and mocking Spencer's sexuality?

Really polarizes my prrotons.

Also why was the thread about the anarkiddies begging for help from the police deleted?

because fascists are all either virgins or closeted homos

WE'RE HERE

Probably got his IP cleared of all posts.

why are you here instead of Holla Forums? if you don't remember leftists get banned immediately on 8/pol/ to secure your safe sapce

ITT: Holla Forums pretends 99% of Holla Forums doesn't hate Richard Spencer

Holla Forums thinks he's controlled opposition

Akhi, private property and personal property are separate concepts. I have no issue with personal property, and agree that theft of it is sinful.

Private property is referring to private ownership of the means of production (ie. capitalism). Personal property is stuff like your toothbrush, your iPhone, your house, etc.

Kek eats his children.

Newfag detected.

ITT: Holla Forums thinks we're a bunch of SJWS who support """"cultural marxism"""" and liberal identity politics

Holla Forums is anti-idpol.

Because I hate capitalism and want to allow white people to organize their societies on a commune level and to have the right to vote whether or not they wish to include non whites in the factories and communities they control. :^)

The entire alt-right is a controlled con-job. Look into Spencer's connection to Dugin and Dugin's connection to the KGB. Meme magic(k), Kek, Pepe - it all comes from Dugin.

Then why does 4chan Holla Forums kiss his ass so much?

kinda weird that we have literal islamic communists on Holla Forums but it's cool

also surprised to find out that Holla Forums has a semi-active /Islam/ board

What did he mean by this?

It doesn't. There's this same exact thread on Holla Forums and everyone is laughing at him.

archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/richard spencer/type/op/page/31/

and yet you post under a nazi flag.

Nazis weren't socialist m8.

Tears while laughing, we are really fucked aren't we.

ITT Holla Forums rejects everything the moment it gains negative media attention just like they did with the alt-right label which they once proudly wore

look at the responses

You fail at hiding, Holla Forums

How soon that that extinction?

Just like they rejected Trum- oh wait, he's your president now

He probably likes to delude himself into thinking he's some Nazi "intellectual" that "exposes himself to diverse viewpoints".

Why are cat posters so retarded?

i would also hit him for saying that about pepe

No idea, I laugh when I see it at this point.

Salute

Not American.

He's the president of the world

I'm not American m8.

He has more in common with leftypol than with pol

Yes, the guy who broke all of his promises to you is now President. How thoughtful of you to bring that up every thread.

Awesome comeback as usual, Holla Forums. Just like it was back in middle school.

You mean the moral and immoral right?

We really don't. The only people who use that flag use it because they live in the middle East

There is really no difference between him and other Neo-Nazis. He's just PC.

I know the difference akhi. As long as your not a secularist or nationalist i dont have a problem tbh.

Literally nothing in that screencap is Holla Forums-tier

Wait is this the guy that got stumped by the Stalinist teenager a few hours ago?

It's not Holla Forums, and neither was the guy you were calling Holla Forums because you thought he was pretending to be liberal.

Cool, salam. And nice trips, btw.

Someone post the day 2 screencap of Trump going back on literally everything.

idpol cancer strikes again

Link pls

fuck you röhm was /myguy/

röhm was sort of a turd positionist

Have the .webm!

Wasn't he killed because he wanted even more fighting and war?

God damn it tankies…

a large number of original NSDAP faggots were indeed faggots

THe people on Fox are quite possibly the most repulsive plastic barbie doll humanoid reptile hybrids i've ever seen. They all look sauced, below 100 autism level and soulless

Stupid tankie, but still funny. Btw, that's not Tucker Carlson. Here's an actual weird as shit Tucker interview:

youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=WQuo_Tl43rY

Possibly the weirdest MSM interview I've ever seen

lmao

What the fuck did he mean by that? Does he thinks that faggotry started with white people or that only white people can be gay or something stupid like that?

Ok wtf are you then

edgy teenagers

He's actually an anarchist. Somebody found his twitter in another thread. He just doesn't buy into western propaganda or genuflect at knee-jerk anti-communist rhetoric.

LARPers

Yeah, I assumed he's on the left. It was just such a weird interview, and I didn't know who was memeing who.

Contrarians. That is the nature of anonymous imageboards.

inherently dishonest and chameleonic

8/pol/ users are mostly Not Socialists (with the exception of Brit/pol/ users who are mainly reactionary monarchists).
While both hold similar ideology, Holla Forums users are quite obviously different from neo-Nazis. The image on the left is what you find from image searching "neo-Nazi" and the image on the right is what you find from image searching "Holla Forums user".

I'm not saying leftypol is liberals, I'm saying, the vast majority of the public and the left ARE liberals and they will defend a fucking Fascist who calls for violence against essentially every non white person against Socialists defending against that.

That screen cap turned out to be 100% wrong– which was obvious if you read the spurious bullshit it was quoting

"House republican says wall is a metaphor" lmao

He's trending now, sure he's pretty happy any time he's in the news.

That's because of little concept we like to call "freedom of speech".
Antifa members make themselves look like thugs and arguably worse than Richard Spencer by physically attacking him despite him never being physically violent.

If only everyone who mentioned maymays in public was immediately sucker punched.

It cited shit Trump said. It's not my problem he lies, and changes his position every other day

Apply to that literally every issue

Stay triggered

Before the Election
After the election

What is wrong with you liberals?

CRY MOAR FASCIST SCUM

That's how he operates. He has to keep Paul Ryan boxed in as much as anything else, if he wants a decent replacement.

that screenshot was saying obamacare wouldn't be repealed and trump wouldn't build a wall. Well guess what.

Enjoy the general public thinking your movement is more full of retarded LARPers than even the alt-right.

Voting is a non-violent and effective method of preventing others from getting power.
Punching someone and running away immediately like a coward just makes Antifa seem anti-intellectual and thuggish.
I'm not a liberal anyway and I didn't vote for Hillary.

Okay people, let me get out my chart for the 45th time.

I'm loving these radical ¡Yeb memes
Someone do this please

lmao

@1263141
This is 75% wrong. I can tell you didn't even try and as such I am not giving you a you

Yes and that political and economic system is socialist.

Seriously. My adrenaline would be pumping & I'd be seeing red. Happened to me.. A couple of times.

At my university the local trots got expelled for targeting Jewish students because muh Palestinians

this

Well the political system is definitely not. Islam expounds religious law and morals that are set by our creator. Allah says " And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers." (surah al ma'idah 5:44).

Just sounds like a difference of aesthetics

lmao

Are you a sunni? because the hadiths is where most of the political things come from and those are not divine sources.

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He isn't worthy of speaking the word of Kek

Why bother wearing the hood? Can you tell these things apart anyway?

I am sunni and hadith are a divine secondary source and this is clear. Also the political things are also in the Quran. Allah says in the Quran "O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." (Surah an nisa 4:59) You cannot obey God with out obeying the one who he has sent to carry out his message.

*backs away slowly*

Alright I was watching the inauguration on cbs but I had to stop yo rub one out to Ivanka– my god

Are you saying Al boukari and Muslim are divine individuals?

If you really think that you have no ground to stand on when you say "ISIS does not represent Islam" because they are strict followers of the hadiths.

I'm an atheist who left Islam but I still think people larping about hadiths are themselves destroying Islam.

heh.. nothing personnel.. fashy

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Only shias are allowed here

The hadith dick-sucking is literally a cancer killing Islam along with the "GOTTA SUPPORT KHILAFA BRO OR YOU AIN'T MUSLIM" that you get slammed with from ummah.com warriors.

Can I support Khalifa rather than Khilafa?

Literally Muslims killing each other in 2016 because

the sooner Muslim learn that Ali vs Muawia was a political power conflict and that has happened a million times over the better they and everyone else will be.

sometimes she's hot and other times she's realllllly not

t. everyone's little brother

You realize the Jews themselves have lowered that figure to 1.2 million?

Also, last time fascist communism was enacted, 60 million died. Go read a history book.

Here are the facts. Go ahead and ban me now for disrupting your little commie circle jerk with the facts.

It must be great to be on all those drugs.

YES
YES
YES

THANK YOU BASED ANARKIDDIE

rohm and hitler famously had hardcore gay sex. Hitler was so ashamed that he had him killed

Oh, what do you call the system the Soviet Union operated under? And Mao? Have you successfully moved the goal posts?

Go on.

African-Americans are less than 10% of the population by 2045. What are you on?

I wonder how many more have starved to capitalism

Who would come here and argue about far left ideology and can't even define it properly?

Define it then and let's proceed to discuss. I've been waiting to talk to your ilk.

I didn't say I'm pro-capitalist, in fact, you know nothing about my beliefs.

What I've done here is point out the murderous history of communism. What you have done is not put forth an argument of any kind.

I'm waiting.

Socialism or state capitalism, depending on whom you ask and what is your ideology.

You're both wrong. During WW2, over 150 billion people were killed.

Nice meme

I see, so this is the "not real communism" argument I've seen memed so many times. People actually do try this, interesting.

So, you realize that my MAIN concern regarding communism is that, the people who have called their political ideology "communism" in the past, have murdered tens of millions of innocent people.

So, how do we begin this discussion? I guess you'll have to convince me that your ideology differs significantly from that of what has flown under the banner of Marxist communism in the past. You've already used different words to define it in your post. I'll need you to make an argument now for why that's a fair redefinition of it (or cite a credible source, which I will investigate when I have the time, and I'll be back to respond).

We like co-ops. Most of us anyway.

Then what are you?

And another poster pointed out that capitalism has done this. Still don't see how it's relevant?

I don't know, I'm still studying everything so I can make make up my mind. At this rate, I feel like it will take another decade of acamedic level study to come to any meaningful conclusion.

However, many who have come before me have made good arguments for why Marxist communism is a total write-off, so I'm inclined to agree with them.

However, before making up my mind, I'm engaging with those who are beholden to that ideology to see what their opinion is.

No, I don't. If you want to open a new discussion about capitalism as well, or use it as an argument for why you think communism is a great idea, then go ahead.

I don't see much high level thinking going on here, but perhaps it's because you're used to just shitposting at trolls. Fair enough.

Ideologies don`t kill people. Material conditions do. One could very easily argue that material conditions of Soviet Union were anything but communist nor socialist(particularly during the 1923-27 period with the NEP)

you're right, mass media catchphrases and unsourced charts should be a bannable offense.

Well that seems awfully convenient from an argument standpoint.

I'm a socialist & different from the person you're talking to atm, btw.

It would seem that's exactly why someone would bring it up. It doesn't have to necessarily be pro-communist when they do, either, as it's just context for a political conversation.

I think that is demonstrably false. For example, some primitive tribes hold ideological beliefs that they gain power from eating the bodies of other dead human beings (cannibals). This ideology drives them to hunt down other humans and eat them, every once in a while! This is just an obtuse example, but I think I've made my point.

Hmm, I think the thing I'm trying to get at is that Lenin, Stalin, etc. were adherents to Marxist ideology, and did indeed try to model the operations of their nations (as well as their aspirations in the global sphere) within that framework.

Whether or not they "succeeded" in doing it perfectly, as according to some arbitrary conditions of materialistic evaluation ("material conditions"), is somewhat irrelevant. Just because they suck at implementing their ideology doesn't mean that that ideology isn't what lead to the mass scale starvation, murder, and torture of tens of millions of innocent people.

Could you please point me to some source that explores horror committed on the scale of that depicted in 'The Gulag Archipelago' under the banner of capitalism?

According to my research there is nothing comparable in all of recorded history, but I will stand corrected if you can prove to the contrary. Thanks.

Tell me what source you would consider to be credible (do you like Wikipedia? I do not, but will use it if you wish) and I will proceed to prove to you how many people were starved and murdered under the flag of communism.

Thanks.

It's an honest admission of ignorance and an interest in discerning the truth.

How many years did you spend studying world history and politics before forming your opinions? I'm on year 2.

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How many people have capitalist countries killed, either directly or through inaction? Thanks.

You know why it's unsourced? Because anyone with even a marginal education in world history and communism knows that it's true. But here you go:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Famine_deaths

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Why should socialism that isn't Marxist-Leninist be blamed for the death caused by the Soviet Union?

You sure don't seem open minded or willing to admit ignorance regarding communism, user.

You realize your comrades just chastised me for posting memes of that nature, right? (unsourced)

Yours is even more excellent than mine, here's why: in the meme I posted, it specifically said "death by starvation", which is demonstrably evidenced to be causally related to the shitty way the country was being run (communism).

In your meme, it has unsourced death figures for all sorts of battles, wars, coups etc., but it isn't really clear to me how the ideology of capitalism is what was responsible for these (wheres as, again, with the starvation due to communist management of the country, it's very easy to point the finger at the ideology).

Please clarify and source, thanks.

I fucking hate this image. Most of the deaths on that list are the result of statist, imperialist action. None of it can be attributed capitalism. If you want to highlight capitalist caused deaths just talk about avoidable starvation.

Totally willing, please highlight my ignorance and I will proceed to do my best to correct it.

Well, for example the starving of the Ukraine where around 10 million died was a direct result of mismanagement of the planned food economy of the Soviet Union. That's one great example.

Mein gott.

Some are debatable, but
Come on, now.

I just sourced it here:

And the reason I asked what sources you like, is so that I could avoid being told that Wikipedia isn't a valid source.

I mean I could go to the library and take photos of books too, what would satisfy you?

Again, only socialist models that rely on central planning, such as Marxism-Leninism, should be blamed for starvation in the Soviet Union. There are models for socialism that predate the soviet union by decades that completely disagree with how the Soviet Economy was managed.

I don't know user, could you provide some sources? You're literally asking me to make your argument for you. Low energy.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Superpower-230-million-Indians-go-hungry-daily/articleshow/11494502.cms

Capitalism

My point was that this is simply a pathetic excuse for not providing a source.

Interesting, haven't heard of this. Could you point me in the right direction for research, please? Are there any countries running under these systems today? Thanks.

Also, I've archived this discussion: archive.is/Vr9IV

Once the discussion peters out I'm going to post it on Holla Forums, another politics board where I quiz people about their ideological beliefs (in a sincere quest for impartial understanding – I do not identify as a "fascist", and as I stated above I consider myself too ignorant to "take a side" in politics, if you will. I need a lot more time to study and make up my mind).

Why is it a pathetic excuse? I literally learned about the death tolls of communism in early high school history classes. Not sure what the standards for education are in your country… but here they actually teach us about the world at least a little bit.

And 10 million people died in the Persian famine of 1917 while under British rule. What's your point?

It's pathetic because not only is it lazy & a cop out, but you're arguing the very fact of its validity, so it's not "common knowledge".

My point is that communism is a demonstrably murderous ideology.

You seem to be under the impression that my point is that capitalism is not, when in fact I'm not arguing FOR anything, I'm only arguing AGAINST communism.

So you seem to be admitting that communism has killed a lot of people, and saying "capitalism sucks too!". How is saying that other ideologies suck as well, a good argument for another ideology that sucks just the same? Please try harder, I really am sincerely curious to understand why you believe what you do.

In my country, what is taught in the public education system qualifies as "common knowledge".

At any rate, are you going to make an argument for your beliefs or should I stop replying to you?

>Also, I've archived this discussion: >archive.is/Vr9IV
Do you want a cookie? What a pretentious faggot.

I don't think it's a useful exercise to tally up supposed victims of any ideology. Millions upon millions of people have been killed under every political and economic system that has ever existed on the planet.

Again - I was addressing the fact that saying you don't need a source, because you think something is "common knowledge" is not an excuse.

I freaking love watching white supremacists get beaten.

Believe it or not wikipedia has largely accurate, unbiased information about non-stalinist models of leftist thought.

Some examples are: Market Socialism, any Anarchist ideology that isn't Anarcho-Capitalism, Syndicalism, DeLeonism, Council Communism.

To make things simpler just look up libertarian socialism.

Why wouldn't a comparison be made? "Good" is relative. The system seeks to replace the current system. If it is better than the current system, it is "good".

They're not "supposed" victims, though. They're innocent citizens that were starved by their own government because communism couldn't figure out how to feed them. It is historical fact.

I didn't say that people hadn't been killed by other ideologies. What I'm asking you to do is make an argument for why your preferred ideology, presumably some form of communism of socialism, is one worth investing in. Saying that other ideologies cause deaths/problems too isn't a good argument.

You need context in a political or economic debate, you dunce. Typical Holla Forums, avoiding context at every turn.

The memes from this are pretty great

Thanks, so any examples of it working on for a country yet?

Interesting, so your argument actually boils down to "communism is less evil than other ideologies, based on deaths"?

I say make a new thread for this, since it's off-topic. A better opportunity to get more exposure & participation as well.

Hmm. I don't understand what you're getting at here. Are you saying that everything is relative?

Pretend that I'm a doe eyed college grad, looking for a political party to join. I have never heard of communism before (or socialism, or whatever you think is best). Convince me to join your party, but without lambasting other parties as your argument. Briefly tell me how it works and why it's a great idea.

What? Did I mention deaths, or say anything is less evil? Can you read?

You are asking why a comparison is being made, and I am explaining to you why that is the case.

I have tried this in the past and always get banned, and called a shill etc.

So I decided to sneak a discussion into another thread they for sure wouldn't delete.

Isn't this politics, in a nutshell?

You're the one who compared capitalism to communism based on deaths…

Bullshit. Why would a political discussion be deleted? We don't call people shills here, either. That's Holla Forums. Make the thread then link it here.

Also, Spencer can't seem stop whining like a bitch because Trump didn't provide them a safe-space.

Serious question, are most folks who are interested in your political ideologies this violent? I really find sucker punching someone to be reprehensible…

No, this is my last VPN IP.

???

Otherwise, you're trying to sneak it in a thread so it purposely doesn't get more exposure. Another lazy tactic on your end.

You're full of shit & don't want a broad discussion, when demanding answers. Hilarious.

I'm ignoring you now unless you decide to explain your position and argue for it. Thanks.

I'm not questioning whether these people were killed. I just don't think an economic system is to blame for their deaths. Incompetence and error exist everywhere. There is nothing inherent to communism that millions of people have to die. The same goes for capitalism but it happens in both systems anyway. The real culprit is organization and distribution. The left has a hundred different schools of thought on how to do those things that have no ties to the USSR or PRC. You're assuming all communists are Marxists-Leninists which isn't the case.

Start the thread and I'll move there.

You literally started this discussion by claiming communism is "inherently deadly" or something.

Do you actually think a majority of the population identifies as white nationalist

The problem is that this is demonstrably false. Please take the time to research the Ukrainian Holodomor, and do not rely on a Soviet-era source. It is one of the most lied about genocides in history.

Jesus Christ.

So are you saying that your argument is "it doesn't matter if communism is deadly, so are other ideologies"?

If one has no leg to stand on, he has no leg to stand on.

I said it's because I'm not risking my last good IP being banned, because at least I have this small discussion going.

For people who would, I imagine, be interested in converting others to their worldview, you are pretty indignant.

If it's less deadly, it's better. Quite simple really.

get fucked liberal

So you're telling me I have no right to question the validity of the communist ideology, because I don't have another ideology in mind that is superior?

I've admitted that I am ignorant and am looking for information. How could I decide if I like communism or not, if I don't ask questions about it first?

Lol, Peaceful protest shown once again how effective it is.

You're full of excuses. You obviously don't want larger participation in answering your questions, for some reason.

Okay, so what's communism's death toll? Let's do it the mathematical way, as you desire.

No, you can't question it in vacuum without comparing it to other ideologies.

You obviously can't defend your beliefs.

Have you considered going back to school?

Yes. Now you understand that both Capitalism and Collectivism have both committed heinous acts, and have gigantic death tolls.

You are arguing which death toll is more fun.

Clearly, it is not Capitalism

Okay, compare it then. Show me why it's better based on x or y reason. This is precisely why I'm here.

You can question it's validity but moralizing over death tolls is pointless because nobody has a leg to stand on.

I don't understand what "more fun" means in this context.

Sorry, what are you saying here?

If you propose forcefully deporting people out of the country because they aren't part your homogeneous wonderland, don't be surprised when people show no pity when you eat dirt. I completely expect the bourgeoisie to try and kill me if I attempted to take the means of production from them. You should expect your enemies to do the same.

Civil disobedience works but it takes serious fucking balls. Most activists aren't really that committed to their causes in the west.

Because you're a fucking idiot who does not get euphemistic jokes.

Ok, "which death toll is better", how about that?

Capitalism has a larger death toll than collectivism.

Yes, you do understand. You're avoiding context, purposely.

Any argument or discussion needs context. Are you so fucking dense that you don't understand this?

Ah I see, so your argument is that death tolls are IRRELEVANT altogether, because "everyone has death tolls".

Frankly, I disagree. One of the reasons I so abhor the communist ideology is because of the absolutely horrific and depraved murder that happened in the gulags, as well as the intentional starving of tens of millions of people.

I really have seen nothing comparable in all of human history.

I'm not even arguing my beliefs with you. You're derailing the thread & claiming to want answers to your questions. Make another thread is you want this.

Sounds about right.

No, just that Capitalism's is larger, and even if it was not the case, it would still be irrelevant because otherwise had it grown larger, they would both be more or less equal. It depends on time and context, state sanctioned or not.

Capitalism in fact, extends beyond the bounds of the suburb you live in.

Nice meme. That's not even the mainstream academic view anymore.

lel

Well, if you're admitting to want to violently "take the means of production", then I guess I am not after all surprised. Good argument, actually.

This is another problem I see with your group. You are chomping at the bit for a violent revolution. Why should I believe that the violence will stop after you are in power? Every indication I've seen throughout history is that the violence will only increase.

This isn't me.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Not all of us, most of us are just willing to practice digital theft of enormous amounts of money and redistributing it.

No harm now fowl, the international banks can stand another year of whining how hard life is

Yes it is. The Ukraine was surrounded by an army so they could not escape, while their food was forcible taken from them for distribution elsewhere.

Hmm? Really? How the hell would that work? If everyone had the same amount of money, it would be worthless.

Using the black book of communism as a source is like using Holla Forums as a source, you do both and you're a giant retard

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Bangladesh_Bank_heist

Exactly. Now you're starting to understand my friend :)

You should realize that the official communist party of the Ukraine even officially admitted that the Holodomor was an intentional genocide, back it the 80s. Seriously, read up on this, because you look like a fool when you try to deny it.

Okay, so what do we use as a means for exchanging value? I know barter is an option, but the idea behind money is that it is less troublesome to exchange that trading herds of sheep for a new dress suit.

You do understand that is what gold was used for in the past, right?

I'll read this, thanks.

Never even heard of it, but I'll look it up now.

VALUE

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Intentional indeed.

Then you're even more inept then I realized

You forgot to take your shitposting flag off.

No, I'm just emending my post for some snark.

The word you are looking for is "ignorant". I've never stated otherwise. You're ignorant of the fact that I've stated my ignorance. ;)

What are you referencing here?

I don't understand your meme.

Do you want to make me a commie or not? Fucking convince me!(This isn't the thread for this. Please stop derailing.)

No you're just finding other words to describe how really out of touch you are. So far we have

Would you like to add any more because you read like you have a high school world history understanding of world affairs

Nobody wants you to be a communist. In fact you should be banned.

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Pretty much, that's why I humbly stated my ignorance and asked for clarification on my concern regarding communism.

It seems none of you are even capable of defending, or even explaining, your beliefs.

I'm blowing this popsicle stand. You have not done a very good job of being ambassadors for your cause.

lmao

Pottery.

lel, newfags gonna newfag

You aren't going to get that in one or two posts because world affairs and counter culture history from the late 19th century to 20th to 21st century history, cannot be reduced into an easily edible big mac for your American ass to chew on

stop worrying about communism and go worry about your health insurance.

Trump just gutted the entire ACA. premiums are going up for everyone.

washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signs-executive-order-that-could-lift-affordable-care-acts-individual-mandate/2017/01/20/8c99e35e-df70-11e6-b2cf-b67fe3285cbc_story.html

Theyve been going up anyways.

At least we wont be required by law to pay them anymore

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At least I'll get anal instead of being fucked in the ass

All I know, is im a student with a part time job and currently im required to pay $150/mo (roughly a quarter of my income) for health insurance which I dont feel i need.

Im young, im healthy, if given the choice, I dont think health insurance is something I need right now in life

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I don't need health care, my ribs and spine are just fine after the car made of gelatin hit me on the freeway of marshmallow construction

Nobody dies in America, it's safe.

Everything is covered in pillows and the water's fine

Typical burger

can somebody please nail him with a bat next time? or a hammer?

How about a fucking gun

i want his skull to cave in, guns are boring. Save those for the actual revolution.

people have lived for a very very long time without health insurance.
When im older with a better job, I would like it but paying $150 a month just in case im that .00001% of people who have some sort of disastrous accident isnt worth it for me

ill roll the dice, and honestly im tired of people like you trying to tell me "YOU NEEDZ INSURANZES OR YOUZ WILLZ DIE"

Guns are perfectly capable of caving in skulls.

The Grassy Knoll is an excellent example of this.

The choice of skull-crushers, everywhere

Honestly, im glad that the new president doesnt share your opinions.

If I dont want to buy something, I shouldnt be forced to do it.

You're right, health insurance has only killed and done its job as shit as humanly possible at providing people its services.

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Do you hate capitalism because Winston Churchill intentionally starved millions too?
Also feudalism because the Tsar literally invented the gulag?

Medical, as with all other forms, insurance is a fraud. As long as pharmeceutical companies fail to provide medicine because they can't make a profit off of it, as long as we are focused on bills and measurement instead of the actual treatment, then many, many innocent people are going to die because they can't afford not to be sick.

Honestly, I feel this way.
I hate doctors.
They are the reason so many people in this country are addicted to opiates.
People use free gov't insurance and doctor shop to get oxy's that they sell on the street.

Why do you have such a hardon for forcing people to buy products that enrich porky and make middle class/poor people (by american standards) like me even poorer.

Rich people can afford their insurance premiums.

But to me, $150/month does not justify a product which I have not used once (I hate doctors) and probably wont use until im much older.

It makes much more sense to allow someone like me, who doesnt wish to purchase a product, the choice not to purchase it.

If I want it when im older with a better job, ill get it. health insurance isnt a bad idea, but I really dont feel i need it in my 20's.

the .0001% chance that something major and debilitating will happen to me doesnt justify me being forced to pay a quarter of my income

Get hit by a car, Highlander

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No. Germany suffered 5-6 million dead and most of that was military personnel in an offensive war they started.

Meanwhile, nobody even tries to dispute that the Nazis killed over 20 million Russians.

Do you seriously believe that lol?

this is totally correct

one of the reason insurance is so fucking expensive is because medical companies RAPE insured people with their costs. Medicine is more expensive in US than anywhere else.

I wonder why? Maybe its becuase INSURANCE PAYS FOR IT, SO NOBODY CARES WHAT IT COSTS. When the insurance company needs more money, they just raise rates. And currently, we are force to pay their increased rates.

Insurance is the main reason that medicine/medical care is so fucking expensive.

Ill take my chances.

Get fucked Dad I don't give a shit if you can't pay for your broken hip because you fell, you shouldn't have been so fucking old. What the hell is wrong with you, why are you so fucking stupid you son of a bitch. Dad, not even the ambulances will save you, what makes you think I should give a shit?

What makes you think americans see doctors so much?

Because our insurance pays for it.

The insurance company pays for the doctors

as more people now see these "free" doctors, insurance companies pay more money

as insurance companies pay more money, our rates go up.

We are forced to pay these rates which will always increase.

Ill take my chances without health insurance. Ive lived to 28 so far with nothing major or life threatening happening, I think I can make it until at least 35 before i need to consider health insurance

26.1% chance of getting cancer
About 1 in 5 adults has a mental illness in any given year, which means someone in your neighborhood (you)

This doesn't even count aging.

Fucking kids these days think they're more immortal than baby boomers their age

Ok. The driver of the car is responsible for my medical bills. not me

*PFFFFFFFFFFT*

oh no,…here it comes !!!!!!

*PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT*
*PLUNK*

Oh godddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

*PTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT*

I can't stop shitting!

Jeb! partisans mobilizing

Why does everyone here want to force medical insurance down my throat?

If I dont want it and I want to risk dying, thats my choice.

Paying porky =/= living longer

Oh great more useless Americans suing each other. Delightful.

Praise kek

BIG GUY

:DDD DDDDD DD

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I want to shove hot coal down your throat for being so fucking stupid to think the communist board wants American Health care

even If i was forced to have medical insurance, the driver would still be responsible for the medical bills regardless.

my insurance company would come after the driver (or the driver's insurance company) and sue for damages if needed

well a lot of people on this board seem to be damn sure that health care is a fucking necessity for living

You can't get shit when your dead bitch!

It is

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Hey user, what are you going to do about the AIDS? That sounds pretty expensive!

maybe i want to save money instead of living longer. why cant I do that?

Gotta catch em all, I always say

You matter less than the collective. Sorry bud.

that joke was really funny and contemporary, give it sucking big pharma's cock out of a broken rib

Fucking bourgs did this!

lol. ok. so why do I have to pay money to live longer if i dont matter?

Oh wait, I wont in a few months. this shitty ACA is getting repealed

"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,  unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God"
- 2nd Timothy 3:1-4

I would love to live in a system without money

but paying a quarter of my income to porky to prevent SCARY MEDICALZ STUFFZ wont get us any closer to that society

We are all Obama voters here. We all voted for Clinton, and we like the ACA.

Like I said, medical insurance is a fraud.

It literally isn't about you and you forcing the idea we support Obamacare means you probably have a brain tumor too expensive to treat anyways

Hi Holla Forums.

Hi Holla Forums

I agree with this

im not trying to force you guys as supporting obamacare.

this is me:

I think the ACA is shit. But theres many people here who seem to be arguing with me about that:

I never said I liked the ACA. But saying you don't need healthcare is incredibly ridiculous.

no, you were against the entire idea that people's medical needs need to be taken care of by other people. You started the entire thing by saying why should you care about other people's premiums going up.

You need mental health care you can't afford now

im putting on a flag for easier id..

Your right, i worded that wrong. I meant to say that its health insurance i dont believe I need right now

I never said this. I joined this thread when I saw the insurance discussion going on. maybe you have me confused with someone else

I think we should change the narrative of the story from being antifa bashing the fash, to someone using pepe in poor taste and getting his ass kicked.

ayy this guy doesn't give a fuck, love it

only just seen this, good work

Holla Forums is triggered

The biggest problem I have is that health care reformist follow this rhetoric of 'everyone needs healthcare' but by appealing to insurance they effectively make it so that there is protected group(s) and others left vulnerable, only obscuring those who actually need medical help from their doctors. Because of this, insurance companies are given free reign to change the cost of healthcare so that their overhead is also accounted for, people are paying more and more for their diseases while others simply go untreated because its not in the interest of the insurance company.

So I don't know if Rotten Posting is still a thing or if the meme is dead, but I made this anyway

youtube.com/watch?v=88GUE2HByPA

haven't been to the doctor's in ~15 years, no need for anyone under 35-40 to do so unless you're a fat unhealthy fuck. in which case you should be covering the cost of insurance for fit people as punishment for your poor lifestyle choices. my employer covers the insurance, but if i had to pay out of pocket i'd be pissed.

Never met a single commie loving fighting age male who could win a 1v1 fight vs me.

Every time I see one of you clowns with a hammer and sickle patch; you're unshaven, skinny trash.

Do commies not believe in soap or dumbbells?

Fatty who can't grow a masculine beard detected.

Oh believe me, I'm shaking in my boots

You're right, only women kick your ass you dumb virginal bitch

Really? Want to set up a match with Monson?

Look at this reactionary animal and laugh.

O I am laffin

Haha this is why you're a joke.

In the case of Electionary NEETzis………………………………….

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This is why no one cares.

White Lives Matter Too Much?

Really? This is how you've chosen to fight racism? With more blatant racism?

It's not wrong

Y'all fucked up.

Where did the Islamic gommunists go. I wanna see people shitpost about theology.

Not bad, user

bravo

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100/10

Will get pulled though for "bullying"

what a little bitch

It is wrong. Cops are more likely to shoot white perps than black. The problem is cops, full stop.

If Uncle Sam taught me anything is to be opportunistic and always gang up on a stupid nigger like you.

if you pop someone in the ear the right way you can pop their drum

Cheers, lads

Way to generalize as well, bud.

I was referring to the dumbass with the sign, not Holla Forums.

Seriously?

Bullshit aside, insurance/healthcare in general costs way too much in the US. Universal healthcare is sorely needed.

Ok, no need to bully me ;~;

Jesus, I need sleep. I misunderstood, again.
Goodnight forever

subbed

you need to add more faggots to that image.

You'll all be too scared to do anything, screaming "RESPECT MY OPINION"

thanks for acknowledging us kiddies. Some of you tankies are alright.

and marx was a reptilian

rude
reported for harassment and bullying

Are they the first group of based Trots since Posadas?

i can't wait until he takes revenge on ilegals jumping borders

I think you have slightly misunderstood why people criticize 'safe spaces'.

MFW Pepe is a sex symbol now.

Some of the more liberal or radical scholars have claimed that in that command, Jesus, even after showing Caesar's face on the denarius, did not state that anything actually belonged to Caesar, but rather begged the question of what belongs to Caesar. That is, Jesus may have actually been saying that everything belongs to god and nothing to Caesar. I'm no Christcom, but I used to be, and being one often means you can find an alternative exegesis.

Nice facts nerd, here's mine