Anarcho-Toddlerism

Girls who look like boys or pretend to be boys
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He has some stupid beliefs but that is one thing he is right about. I've seen it be done in practice and it actually does work.

…sell your kid and not deal with it?

No, non-authoritarian parenting based upon persuasion. Seriously look it up, it perfectly answers OP's question.

oh

selling your kid sounds easier

Yes, we should isolate our children and give them hour long lectures about frozen when they like it, and tell them they don't love daddy if they rather watch the movie then hear a MGTOW critique of it.

nah Stef is a psycho and i don't really like his attitude towards women at all. But, he has parenting down pretty well. no hitting, no screaming, forcing kids to provide arguments for their behavior, teaching critical thinking and analysis early on, treating her like a playful adult who needs respect and space to grow and learn. i can look the other way if someone is genuinely good with: kids, wifey, coworkers, animals (it shows empathy which is useful for higher purposes)

Voluntarism should be the center of the parent-child relationship.

Authority is not bad as long as it is rational. As long as the punishment has a purpose that goes beyond punishing itself, it can be considered a legitimate way to bring up your child.

Let's say your son steals something. He does not listen and accept to you. He does not want to give it back. What do you do? You need to teach him that his consequences have actions, since you know from personal experience they do in society and are therefore a rational authority in this regard. You do this by punishing him in a way that will not traumatize him (e.g. beating him up), but by showing him how stealing gets received by his environment, for example withholding his monthly allowance.

There is no space to grow and learn, there is no space for independent thought, when stef's wife received a letter from his parents who she removed from her life because they aren't ancaps, she asked stef how it made her feel. He owns her, and he owns his daughter too.

Critical thinking and analysis means memorizing the leaps of logic of why molyneux is always right.

*from her parents

That's another thing he's wrong about. Not punishing your children when they do something idiotic is a surefire way to raise leftist loons who don't know right from wrong and who think that anything goes.

sorry OP, but i need sauce for those pics. my inner /waifuist/ is getting sweaty

the defooing shit is creepy, my parents are staunch libs and i still love them and want them around to meet my kids and grandkids. THAT SAID, in principle forcing your kid to reason and think criticially, not hitting them and not using violence to coerce them teaches them how to treat others early on.

Why the fuck are the mods doing nothing about this?

this is like the fucking 50th obviou Holla Forumslack i've encountered on here just today

We're not talking about what he does or doesn't do. His personal life is irrelevant from what he advocates.

This isn't an echochamber. Even Holla Forumstards can post.

In this instance, reason and critical thinking are the reciting of scripture to fill the delusion of an illiterate narcissist who claims to be the greatest philosopher the world has ever known. Reason and critical thinking are made into spooks.

His personal life is what he advocates.

That's how you might treat someone else's children, but not your own.
Parents should do their job, which includes punishment. If you are too weak-minded to punish your children you shouldn't be allowed to reproduce in the first place.

I'm banned from Holla Forums

if i see you hitting your kid i'll smack the crap out of you. im not joking, don't touch children unless you are their family member and providing comfort or assistance

good. now go to 4/pol/ or Holla Forums or /r9k/ or Holla Forums or /liberty/ and be a fag elsewhere

they are creating constant bait threads and sliding discussion threads along with creating shitposting loops that multiple anons get sucked into within actual real threads. they're disruptive and annoying

You realize punishment is not necessarily violent and can in fact be an entirely rational consequence of your actions, right?

That's not what spanking is. You don't hit them for no reason, you hit them when they are in danger of ruining their lives. For example when they want to read Karl Marx or something stupid like that.

Positive reinforcement and forming a good relationship built on trust and mutual respect that makes them feel comfortable talking to you about things. Works a lot better than negative reinforcement and helicopter parenting and it's shown by studies too. Petty simple.

My little cousin is a little bastard at school and with his mom, but when he's with me he's friendly and cooperative.

I guess it's mostly about having the right demeanor, rather than punishments, rewards and parenting strategies.

That makes no sense. Why would positive reinforcement work better than negative enforcement? And why would positive reinforcement work better than negative & positive reinforcement combined? When you categorically give up punishment as a method you are only making life harder for you. Saying "No" when your child does something without backing it up, is for the birds.

punishment is violent by nature. punitive justice is revenge, its monkey behavior its psychopathic. you are only responsible for what you are doing right now, nothing else. you can't own your past because you aren't there anymore, you can't even remember most of what you did if you did anything at all. if the child is bullying another child and you catch them, seperate them and explain carefully to the bulky that they're being a sociopathic shit head. don't hit them, don't deprive them of luxuries or rights, be assertive but don't lord over them like some God or State that will keep everybody in line. You aren't in charge, no one is, let them know this early on they won't turn into a faggot State Socialist or a Liberal. No one is keeping score of who is good or bad, we shouldn't waste time trying to supplement this void of metaphysical justice by settin up little divine courts to right the balance of morality or whatever gay shit punitive justice advocates think it is they're doing

nigger causality is built into the reality you don't need to teach anyone anything

you need to be authoritarian with small children but you should increase they're freedom with age

The point is to not having to get to the stage in which you have to use negative reinforcement, children are naturally obedient to those whom they respect.

*their freedom
Sorry, I'm still sleeping.

You at no point offered a refuation of what he said nor did you offer a counterargument or countexample that would render what they said invalid as an argument

And this post is why using drug during pregnancy should be classified as child abuse.

No, in this instance reason and critical thinking mean exactly what they're supposed to mean. If he's a hypocrite that doesn't change the validity of what he's preaching. You seem to care more about bitching about him then you do listening and critiquing his ideas.
Something should've told this guy I know that, because that means he's doing a terrible job at peaceful parenting.

Unless they're spamming or blatantly trolling, they're easy to ignore. It's impossible to distinguish shitposting from actual opinions; if you conflate them then that gives a carte blanche for mods to ban anything they don't like. If someone is just expressing a retarded opinion without being disruptive then they're not a problem.

Punishment doesn't work; all it teaches is to not get caught.

The burden of proof is on you to show why negative reinforcement doesn't work and why all those studies showing it doesn't are incorrect.

You can see it in basically any animal. Negative enforcement instills fear of punishment, while positive enforcement provides incentive to act in a desired way. Especially in young children with underdeveloped brains negative enforcement is in fact completely useless, since they simply cannot understand the link between their actions and the applied punishment. If you dropkick your toddler for stealing a candy bar it will only be traumatized.

That's not to say that punishment should be generally avoided. A 12 year old must face the consequences of his actions to become a functioning member of society and understand that he can not just do whatever the fuck he wants. Ideally of course you would prevent the situation of punishment having to be applied by right foresight, but no one is perfect and something will always happen. So when your teenage kid eventually steals that candy bar - do not dropkick it - but make sure it receives appropiate punishment/gets confronted and realizes the connsequences of its actions. An example would be to force it to hand back the candy bar to the owner, apologize and withhold muh privileges.

Come on man, I hate when people pull this kind of shit you just did. You were obviously talking about physical violence and I responded with that in mind. Of course all forms of punishments are inherently violent and authoritarian and there is nothing necessarily wrong with that as you can see in the example I outlined above.

There's nothing worse in this world than a spoiled little brat shit.
Forget about all this hippie yuppie non authoritarian raising of children and spank your kids if need be.

That's BS. Children are "naturally" obedient, because they are small and have no way of avoiding punishment when they do something wrong.
Take away the punishment and their "natural" obedience vanishes.

So what? you didn't back up your statement either. Besides, i didn't make an argument i asked you a question. Why would positive reinforement be better than negative & positive reinforcement combined?

Words are defined by their use. It's a common trick to use words with a positive connotation to mean something that runs counter to the connotation. When Molyneux says critical thinking, he means his own version of anarcho-capitalism. It's a lot like how SJW's use "diversity" and atheists use "reason". His ideas are inseparable from their actuality, to see them as free-floating abstractions is falling into the "tsar good, boyars bad" philosopical trap.

He's not doing a terrible job at it, there's a terrible irony present in peacefull parenting.

Regardless, you keep repeating the same argument and it's simply wrong. Punishment doesn't work, it doesn't teach anything except not get caught. Consequences are a part of life and you don't have to artificially create them. You explain to children why an action is wrong, what consequences it can have, and prevent them from doing it in your presence. The kid won't steal if you instill empathy in them and explain why stealing is wrong. Punishing them doesn't make them emphatic or teach them why something is wrong.

I don't want any of you to become parents. Please don't become parents.

Right. That's the whole point. Of course you don't need to punish toddlers, they're toddlers.
That goes without saying.
Ideally, Yes.

I agree.

Nope, see this is where you are going off the rails. Handing the candy bar back to the owner is not punishment, that's the absence of punishment.
He got away with it and all he learned is that if he steals enough candybars he can keep them if he doesn't get caught.

because negative reinforcement is almost always withholding basic necessities (illegal and unethical/immoral) or assault (illegal and unethicl and immoral). you wouldn't hit your friend for stealing your lunch or calling another person a bad name. i wouldn't even hit someone for fucking my wife or wrecking my car. don't be a tyrant its gross and unmasculine.

Mother: Jamal, Get the mail!
Jamal: No!
Mother: Okydoky.
Jamal: Shut up, mom!

Maybe he does believe that, but when he says critical thinking, that's all he says without adding "and by that I mean ancapism". If people listen to him and decide "he's right, I should teach critical thinking and reasoning" then that's a good thing, regardless of how he interprets those things or fails to live up to them. Like I said, I know someone who does peaceful parenting, and as he sees it, part of it is not indoctrinating them into believing a certain political ideology.

Mother: Jamal, Get the mail!
Jamal: No!
Mother: I'll give you a cookie if you do
Jamal: Okay then.
Mother: Jamal, why did you steal the cookies?
Jamal: Shut up, mom.
Mother: I'll give you a-
Jamal: Shut up mom!
Mother: Okydoky.

Mother: Jamal Get the Mail!
Jamal: No!
Mother: Get the mail or i get the belt!
Jamal: Okydoky
Mother: Thanks, do you want a cookie?

Molyneux is a fucktard who doesn't understand the first thing about parenting which is that you beat your children when they do something wrong.

Why is it always Jamal and/or Cletus? Why the obsession with Jamal? Wtf?

Bloody hell, what is this place?

Yes i would. He stole my lunch. And why would i be friends with a fucktard who steals my lunch?

Yeah, you're a leftist cuck.

It's not necessarily a good thing. "critical thinking and reasoning" has no meaning by itself, it is ideology giving itself the pretense of devolving from ethereal reason. Because of this, it can only be judged on it's context, and the context is clear with molyneux: turning your children into paranoid, mentally numbed wrecks who's mind is owned by the Source of Reason.

there's a tweet i want to share but out of respect for the poster and Holla Forums i won't

Because leftypol is weak and will probably get cucked into destroying their good genes (what is left of it) by some negro/negress

When was the last time you got laid, my masculine friend?

Holy shit can you stop being so obsessed with black dick?

Not every anarchist has to be edgy and reject all forms of authority. I believe rational authority to be essential to human society. You would not want to abolish teacher/student relationships for example, now would you?

Why did you conveniently ignore the rest of the sentence? The kid does not just have to hand it back, it also gets confronted with the consequences of its actions in having to apologize to the owner and will experience shame if it is not a sociopath. Also withholding muh privileges (like for example there will be no candy from the shop it stole from) serves as a further form of punishment that teaches the child that outward authorities will react with punishment. This, and this is important, does not serve as much to make the child understand why its actions are wrong, but simply to drive the point home on how the rules of the game are played in modern society and that actions will have consequences. Ideally this would be followed up by engaging with your child in a rational manner and taking its emotion and everything in account and making it understand why the act of stealing is wrong and in this way instilling maturity, wisdom and self-reliance in it.

No, I am in fact very clearly outlining my argument, not just repeating it.
Ideally you don't, but sometimes you do. Let's go with the candy bar example because it is so great. If you let your child get away with the candy bar all it will have learned is that it can get away with stealing from this interaction. The consequence that life has would be whatever would have happened to them if it would be confronted by an outside party. This is where you as a parent come into play to make sure the consequence is not arbitrary or (physically) violent and appropiate instead.

And you're correct about the teaching part, I went into depth there earlier in this post.

I really didn't know Holla Forums and good genes went together.

Hm.

Yes if you hit an adult its assault, if you hit a child its discipline, but if you hit your dog its either discipline or animal abuse

yeah right wingers tend to be dumb ape people

no im a strong leftist virile male who doesn't need to use aggressive violence to assert myself

Oh by the way do you work with children or have some of your own? This sounds great in theory but will not hold up in real life. You are not 100% in control of your children and if you want to instill self-reliance in them you shouldn't be. Your child will eventually fuck up and do something like steal from another. It will happen.

im volcel user, i must train and build my body for coming meme wars and bio-warfare waged against me by anglo-zog. i have no time for chasing college chicks with borderline personality disorder who return every third text. i have time for shit poasting, lifting and friends and that's it

This is pathetic

Negative reinforcement confuses them since they don't always know what they did wrong and it's been proven to psychologically fuck them up even for fairly mild stuff like spanking.

So what you're saying is that you're afraid of sexual relationships and compensate by shitposting and lifting (if that is even true).

Well, yes, that's part of the definition.
There's likely better systems, but that's irrelevant because a teacher doesn't have authority. They can't put you in prison or beat you. If they fail you that means they don't believe that you learned the subject, is you disagree you can go to a different teacher.
I live with some.
That's why you teach them early.

I am a virgin. Gotta keep my bodily fluids clean and free from impurities for my wife.

It was him who said that he wouldn't beat his wife for fucking someone else. If that's not cuckoldry, then the word has no meaning.

What consequences? Handing back a candy bar is hardly worth mentioning. Let's say that he is ashamed, is that enough to prevent him from doing it again?
It is negative enforcement, but it's hardly as memorable as getting spanked. Will he remember being shamed for some candy bar after a few years? Probably not, but he will remember the beating got for stealing. It's better parenting to your spank your children. Ideally the spanking would be followed up by engaging with your child in a rational manner and taking its emotion and everything in account and making it understand why the act of stealing is wrong and in this way instilling maturity, wisdom and self-reliance in it.

No shit lmfaoo

No it does not. It may confuse toddlers, but we're talking about toddlers.

Not to be smug or anything but read a book. The teacher/student relationship is a classic example of rational authority.
Don't tell me you're that retarded pedo. That would explain your inane posts at least
Enjoy puberty

I guess you had sex in your womb and were born with AIDS. Godforsaken communist degenerate.

Someone doesn't know how to party

fam this is the second time you either intentionally misunderstood me or were too inattentive to properly follow my argument (and those of other anons). I refuse to argue my case a third time tbh either pay better attention or stop with the shitty debate tactics/baiting

As seemingly the only parent here, I don't spank my kinds unless they are young and the trouble they got into could be dangerous. Like fucking with the gas stove knobs. Or trying to imitate adults by chopping things that look like onions with a fucking sharp knife.

There's no way you going to get across, in any significant way, to a 3 year old that turning the knob on a gas stove could potentially kill the whole family (our old stove needs to be lit on full heat to ignite). I stopped spanking my 7 year old now as he can communicate and understand better.

Not listening, being an asshole, etc get timeout. However, he rarely goes there anymore, as he's not an asshole. I've started asking him class struggle revealing questions, and he's starting to"get it" I think.

My 3 year old on the other hand, that little fucking prick.

If you think spanking your 3 year old will make him understand your communication skills are even worse than that of your toddler's

yes i just got done with a volume 4x10 workout today (chest, arms and back) and i shitpoast on here almost every day

no i genuinely don't have time for neurotic liberal qt's. i invested almost 2 years in last relationship and i am tanked atm in terms of leftover attention for another human all the time, every day.

my point had nothing to do with sexual prowess. being a tyrant is toxic masculinity and a waste of the species time genetically. pro-social behavior that least to virile adults breeding and/or creating conditions favorable for the raising of and/or copulation of virile adults is the purpose of being a social organism. i am trying to convince future parents and current to eschew violence as a teaching tool as it always results in violent behavior later on (children learn by watching and they will hit their children and others by watching). hitting kids makes them aggressive or unnaturally submissive (church families, the thug-slave psychological dichotomy in lots of Mestizo and Black homes, military families). The hitting is never limited to spanking, belts, being trapped in rooms in the dark. going hungry for a night or two, being whipped or literally beaten up are realities for millions of kids around the world. they don't have a way of defending themselves, no one hits kids who are big enough to hurt them (in some cultures they do but not in america for the most part). In fact hitting kids is wrong for the same reason the faggot pedo argument for fucking kids is wrong (they think kids want sex and you're rewarding them; which is the opposite of your weird authoritarian punitive love argument but just as invalid and unethical). We got a martial, violent species because we generationally pass on martial and violent traits.

We need to foster and encourage pro-social traits. Like reasoning, explaining, bargaining and cooperating/compromising. If we do this we will be free from generational violence especially concentrated violence which another post unknowingly exposed with the Black Mom/Black Kid hitting experiment.

not volume lol

Time-out is not even a proper punishment. Punishment should fit the crime and if he is being an "asshole", then you should get the belt, lest you want him to become an "asshole". Spare the rod, spoil the child.

That's more like it. I bet he's constantly begging for mercy.

Good for you. You should consider spanking your children
Time-oagain, it is much more effective than time-out and all this other nonsense that doesn't work. Getting send to your

That's not a thing.

dude we were making fun of and not (you I believe, right?)

You don't foster pro-social traits by letting anti-social behavior go unpunished.

I can tell you've never been around kids, or at least been responsible for them for any significant amount of time.

Proof is in the pudding, guess what after the second time he fucked with a knife or those knobs and got a spanking, he stopped fucking with it.

My wife doesn't like to spank, and doesn't. He played "touch the knobs" game for a week before she let me deal with it.

For my 7 year old, when he was younger, he got into the scissors (climbing up our bookshelf like the fucking scissors were a cookie jar) and got a 9 stitch wound (pic related).

Guess what he did 4 days after getting hurt? Got caught climbing up again to get the other dangerous goodies. Again, I was allowed to spank him, and he stopped climbing the bookshelf altogether.

Except timeout works for smaller things.

Go fuck yourself edgelord troll

LOL

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it doesn't fucking matter it was totally tangential and irrelevant. i stand by my point that kids are not adults and thus adults shouldn't do things to them they can't consent to or contend with (like being attacked physically). if you have a coherent, well argued counterpoint you'd like to share i will consider amending that slightly

I argued my point throughout this thread (detectable by the flag) and never advocated for the use of physical violence tbh

I'll bet $50 you die a virgin.

>tfw no qt daddy to spank you ;_;

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btw everything I argued for has been intensively researched with positive results throughout under the authoritative parenting style umbrella

I just checked the Wikipedia article and didn't realize it was so good, so here have a link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting_styles#Authoritative

Sometimes letting them get hurt helps them learn but of course you have to gauge how bad they would be hurt to know when to interfere.

You can take the knobs off and leave anything they can climb on. That's what we did for my niece.

Keep knives out of reach and keep an eye on them. Also avoid them witnessing things you dont want them to mimic.

See I didnt even have to do any punishment. Anyway my points more so was directed for kids a bit older than toddlers.

That's negative reinforcement. You might aswell take the next step and increase the negative consequences

do you at least realize that your kids do not stop climbing the bookshelf because they have learned or understood, but merely because they associate it with shame, violence and fear? And yes I am a father of 2 and work with kids… I have my fair share of experience and even a 3 year old can be taught (through positive reinforcement and responsible shaping of the environment, maybe don't leave knifes and scissors lying around everywhere btw) that playing with scissors is a bad thing without having to spank him. A 7 year old should already be able to be reasoned with btw unless there are developmental issues

Save your money for the divorce.

Parenting is absolutely hierarchical. However, if you know how learning works with children you can achieve good control for the most part and ensuring your kids' freedom to be children at the same time. In my experience children who are brats are taught by their parents to be brats.

Read what I said again and tell me how we didn't do any of that.

Knobs can't be removed (I've tried, besides not my stove to fuck with we rent), and the knobs are in the front well within reach with no climbing.

inb4gatesthat3yearoldsjustknockorpulldown

The wound I had the pic for came from scissors, that were on a bookshelf taller then I am. The knife incident happened when the silverware drawer was supposedly child locked.

Fucking cooking?

Then my point still stands. Notice how I specifically say that at 7 I don't spank my oldest anymore? However, if I catch him doing something potentially suicidal (playing near our busy 40mph street), I will spank him.

It is but it's not one coming from the parent. Instead of learning to fear their parent they learn to avoid what actually harm them.

Dude you're hysterical, how do you think millions of parents who don't spank their children manage to stop them from hurting themselves? The incompetence lies on your end and hitting your children only tells us (and them btw) how helpless you are

We're both 36 and have been together since high school, class of 99.

If we were going to divorce we would have already.

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why even leaf

By bending over backwards for them and creating entitled shitty children.

Nice assumptions there, lul. I refer to

hey look ancdotes from people who i've never met about children i've never met, and the parenting that has occurred that i was not witness to. Lol and its in reference to an extremely personal and relevant ideological quarrel people are having on a thread. Which means their telling of this anecdote is likely ideologically motivated and tinged by emotional/ideological editing

in case you were wondering you fall under the authoritarian parenting style

relevant

There are ones you can get that screw into the wall. Although in your case I guess you cant do that.

What can I say? Kids are fucking stupid.

You could use emotional leverage too by making them feel bad for how it would make you worry and bring up how they can get hurt. I dont think kids really learn anything from being spanked they just learn not to do it when youre looking but do it when you arent in spite or just because it becomes a game.

holy shit are you spouting shit you learned in college like you did in the other thread about HRT? Didn't I show you that sometimes there are other ways of doing things?

yeah it makes them dumb ape domesticated cattle creatures as adults. tons of midwestern rural and blue collar types like this. endless products of churh and military families like this. their physiognomy changes to that of a dumb herd animal too. im not joking, generations of humans look and act like cattle its fucking disgusting. Go look at the ruling classes creepy predator faces, then go look at the cattle people who unquestioningly follow their every word. There is a correlation between submissiveness and violence in society, they go together

I have no idea what you're referring to. This flag is not an ID, you know

also

critical theory is so based in how it ties the authoritarian character to capitalist critic t b h

No it was a game when my wife wasn't spanking him. She was doing all kinds of things, timeout, talking to him, etc. But he's 3 and can barely talk in complete sentences. He has no real concept of asphyxiation, explotions, or even fire.

Also, so emotional manipulation is better then a smack on the ass and a stern "no" that's more bark then bite?

Sorry, you talk like the other person and have the same flag. Was a guess.

I'm not going to rehash that other thread again with a complete stranger who wasn't there.

This attitude is a reason Trump won.

youtube.com/watch?v=-jjrSWCgJus

youtube.com/watch?v=uGuMHxh9HrI

youtube.com/watch?v=jjHyw3B_76k

Oh I thought you were talking about your oldest kid on that.

the scissors and knife were my oldest when he was young.

the stove is my 3 year old. Sorry for any confusion.

I meant about playing on the street. Im too tired to cary on more anyway.

He doesn't play near traffic, but if I saw him doing it I'd spank him. Any downsides to spanking are fine with me verses getting hit by a driver @ 40mph looking at a cell phone.

agreed

no its not, this is just basic observations about how mentality corresponds with physical nature. The ruling class have different facial structure and physical characteristics from the plebs, they are of different races (not black lol at all) and familial bloodlines, social networks than the rest of us. We are not them, they are not us. Further still within the plebian (you're not proles, you're literally property/chattell and this is something you need to admit to yourself) classes you can see this physiological difference. You can see people who are clearly of former patrician or warrior caste breeding, management or business owning classes and skilled professionals. They just look different and have different mannerisms and life outcomes. Most of this is due to environmental stress and epigenetic responses to environmental stress. I do not advocate a command economy or vanguard elitist socialist ideology so please stop with the HRC "muh champagne socialist" bullshit.

The working classes are generationally traumatized and retarded (as in their growth is retarded). Go look at Dravidian people in Mumbai or Sri Lanka, they look like a different species from their ruling caste Aryan/Punjabi porky hegemony. This is mostly because of porky, but a lot of it has to do with their history and the cultures that conquered them. We did the same thing to Irish and Native Americans, they have depressed physiognomy. Biophysical analysis of class struggle and sociological conflicts is a totally valid lens to use. I don't know why everyone gets so tense like its somehow eugenics or racialism. I'm not making special claims to knowledge I don't have or untestable claims. Go look at fucking Han Chinese and then look at the Uyghurs and the native tribes in SE Asia vs there Khmer rulers. Its a real thing that exists systematically throughout civilizations and time periods. Jews look the way they do because of their lifestyle and occupations, WASP's look the way they do because they ruled the fucking world for almost 200 years. Germans look the way they do because they spent 2000 years fighting brutal senseless wars and chimping out in general.

Maybe look up some real sources like the millions of papers on this in academia surrounding this topic instead of people who think it's a war crime to buy a toaster.

are you implying that its not a horrible thing to participate in the consumer product-land fill cycle????

This, tbh. I've watched more of his content than I care to admit (it's like trying to look away from a trainwreck), and he's actually not bad about this at all from what I've seen. He gives a straightforward explanation of reciprocity to the kid and says that behaving poorly will result in people distancing themselves.

He's not against punishing kids. He punishes his daughter by being emotionally unavailable, which while it can be much more upsetting than any of those things is a much more reasonable response and prepares her for adult relationships.

No it's not, see above in this post. You can punish someone by withholding affection. People have freedom of association (ideally) and can freely dis-associate from someone if they have a problem with that person. To deny this of that person is to say the other is entitled to associate with them, giving undue power to the person causing the problem.

Well now we're getting technical aren't we? Of course you can withhold favor or affection from your loved ones or friends, this isn't violence its disassociation or ostracism. But, taking away access to the internet or dinner or friends or their personal affects (like maybe a favorite toy they sleep with) is violent by any measure if it was done to an adult. That was what my whole argument was hinged upon. If it would count by leftist ethical standards or by really anyone who isn't a total scum bag as a violent or totally aggressive or unwarranted offense against another adult then its not justifiable at all for a child (especially since they cannot contend with you or resist you physically which is tantamount to attacking some weak little herbivore in nature for no reason, not even for food).

just/pol/things

It's too early to teach your kids BDSM.
Also they should have enough spunk in them left to question authorities.
The worst basket cases I met were the ones, who had a traditional upbringing.

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I'm saying that's no he same kind of authority.
No only is that a ridiculous conclusion to make, it's also very rude and in bad faith.
Not an argument

My keyboard is fucking up and it's making it very hard to type so his will be my last response.

Jesus Christ you're a bad parent. No wonder you resort to hitting your kids.

I'm not for violence toward children, but you said "punishment is violent by nature." It's not. Constructive measures are better than punitive ones but there's a time and place for punishment like I described.

Its not really punishment you're just not doing something you normally would do. That's you making a choice. Punishment is making a choice that will harm another person in an aggressive or violent manner. Like taking away their food or bed or locking them up or beating or raping them or other horrible forms of torture humans use for their punitive justice fetish, sometimes they glorious uprising and murder people for things that happened in the past and don't affect them directly in an aggressive life threatening way.

We have different definitions of punishment. I would define punishment as doing or not doing something to coerce people into changing their behavior.

I don't believe in coercion as a method of dealing with others at all

Refusing to associate with someone if they don't act how you like is coercive.

Notice that there's no
because no one will ever fuck them.

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>A friend of mine has a toddler
>taking (or even breaking) his things
>Eventually all that's left is corporal punishment

how's life in the crack den?