Do you think we, atleast us in America, should abandon the names socialist, leftist, etc?
Socialism has been ruined beyond doubt as its almost always used in mainstream politics to describe bullshit like wealth distribution and "muh gubbmint free shit :DD". It's associated with the Nazis-National Socialist- and countries like North Korea that don't follow any marxist or actual socialist though, and when you try to clarify that the response is often "That's not real socialism, amrite" or "hehe no true scotsman". And even if you try to argue about this shit they just dismiss it or pull up a fucking dictionary with a bullshitty definition. And even the people who call themselves socialist are usually social democratic bernouts.
And "Leftism" has been ruin by association with "left wing" liberals and idpol sjws.
Idk if we should just try to clear socialism's name or give up and come up with something else.
They're on the up and up. At this point a lot of people actually assume socialism means tepid social democracy from the right wing calling tepid social democracy socialism.
Liam Barnes
Didn't Sanders openly call himself a socialist?
Camden Mitchell
yeah he called himself a democratic socialist (he is actually a social democrat tho)
John Russell
I think if he was going to lie for that long he wouldn't have called himself a socialist in the first place.
Luke Johnson
there's no difference
Nathaniel Barnes
democratic socialist want worker ownership of the means of production but instead of achieving socialism though a revolution they wanted to do it through parliamentary reform. Social democrats still favor private ownership of the MoP, ie capitalism, but with a welfare state
Brayden Bennett
He called himself socialist and defined socialism as social democracy, in a speech at Georgetown /uni/ he said he was objected to worker's owning the means of production.
