How do you argue with liberals who perpetuate the "work hard" myth

How do you argue with liberals who perpetuate the "work hard" myth

Some people cant be saved in the sense that they will be turned and help advocate for a new way of life. Ideology is so embedded in their way of thinking that, the only thing that will change them is seeing the fruits of the alternative system when they're already in it. They think of themselves as being so independent they don't realize how dependent their own thinking is on the current paradigm of society and it's material conditions.

The vices of the current system become their personal virtues. Their degradation is a sign of their "individuality" their "hard working character" and their "honor."

It would be nice to think they can be helped but really what better argument is there for them than the hell their life currently is and they flat out refuse to acknowledge that. You have to do triage and some peoples minds are too far gone to be helped.

There is plenty of statistical evidence that the bootstraps meme is just a meme. Just show it to them.

Brutally mock them for their willing submission to a system that does nothing but punish and humiliate them, and for being proud of working extra hours to line their boss' pockets.

Honestly, they're our version of cucks. They're worthy of nothing but ridicule until they wake up to the idiocy of their ideology.

I didn't have to lift a finger and now I'm the king of the world.

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that guy has a servile physiognomy, his eyes are set in a way that a guard dogs are. His dumb farm boy face, the face of someone bred to pull the plow and to wield the rifle come wartime. I detest these people, the LE Agencies and Alphabet soup, Armed Forces are full of these fuckwits. God help them all, i really want to save them from themselves. So fucking guillable and full of anger, they're the ones who get riled up about Jews and Witches and Russians.

Ask them if they think CEO's who make thousands of times what their employees make work thousands of times harder. If the answer is no then they should realize something isn't right with the money/labor ratio. Point out how concepts like Golden Parachutes guarantee an that already very rich person can sink a company and end thousands of jobs, yet those workers don't get a dime and the failure of a CEO gets away with millions. Point out that many of the world's biggest companies are owned not by those who started them, but by their children. Did the De Beers kids do any hard work to inherit their billions? Did the Waltons? Did the Trumps? Do you really think they've done enough work in their life to warrant billions of dollars over loyal workers who've been with a company for decades, or worse, a slave whose had no choice and only makes cents an hour?

If they don't see the problem with the "hard work" meme at this point I'd consider them lumpenprole and a lost cause.

Some people would feel the boot on their throat and ask for another one on their nuts.
Fuck them.

How does one get THIS cognitively dissonant and delusional? That pic makes me facepalm tenfold. This is why I hate most of the working class. They actually enjoy being raped by Porky.

It's dead simple to understand. You could, for instance, think of it as a form of effort justification. (Republican) party loyalty may also play a part (100% - 53% = 47%, hence the link to Romney). Because of how little he has, maybe he is choosing to take pride in his ability to pay income taxes, as a sort of status symbol. Or his "work ethic" is a status symbol. Or he might be trying to differentiate hiimself from the non-taxpayers, whom he might see as belonging to a different "tribe" (again, party loyalty or something). Shit, maybe he actually likes his two jobs. There are dozens of ways to justify his mindset. If you don't see that then you're just intellectually lazy.

Smug elitist technocrats pride themselves on pragmatism, having all the answers, living in the real world and doing what works. As such, they tend to be more receptive to statistical evidence.

On the other hand, liberals who believe in the bootstraps meme are more often Reaganites. They might believe the statistics are accurate, but ultimately it doesn't touch their core belief: Successful people are successful because they're good people, and unsuccessful people are unsuccessful because they're bad people.

Still, using evidence doesn't hurt, and there's plenty of it out there.

It's ironic that commushits don't realize their glorious transitional period of building socialism would pretty much rely on self sacrificial people like him instead of that guy at every job that is a piece of shit and does the absolute bare minimum.

It's one thing to work hard and an entirely different thing to work hard and prostate at the feet of your masters while doing so like a dog

not surprised tbh

Why is Paris Hilton and rich

Every day I understand Lenin more, to be honest. Trusting all the idiots who gobble up liberal media to create a new society is a fool's errand.

You are a snobby cunt and not a socialist. This is a guy confined by capitalism and he doesn't even know it. Its great that people take pride in working hard, that is what any socialist society would be built around.

These are exactly the people that people like you have alienated with your cosmopolitan smuggery.

These are the kinds of people we need to bring on board. So why would you say 'I hate these people they disgust me,' Why not 'I wish he could have gone to university for free so all that energy he spent washing dishes or whatever could have gone into his studies instead. I wish he was covered for health etc" The fact somebody obviously capable had to also work two jobs through college is a huge waste of potential and fuck you for looking on people

I live amongst these people. It's the work ethic. If they don't go for jebus, they have no education, no name, and little money. They take pride in what little scraps they wrench from porky. Lazy is the second-worst epithet here, after liberal.

You're a good man, black flag. I did get a chuckle reading his post.

Want to give the guy a wake up slap though, probably wouldn't if I met him like.

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Leftists have finally embraced the science of physiognomy?

Really activates my apples.

Yeah I work with people like this, I work in a warehouse and recently halved my hours from 40 to 20 per week to help look for a career and now I get actively made fun of for being lazy.

Arguing is pointless. I'd rather build the robots to replace them.

They are not comrades and they will be the ones fighting for their masters. Fuck off with your sympathy for servile reactionaries.

These are legitimately the people who'll be fighting in the White Army.

Most likely, but by rejecting them and ridiculing them, you're guaranteeing that they will before anything has even begun. They're still the people you're trying to free, but by treating them as the other and as the enemy, you ensure that their ignorance will keep them imprisoned.

The fundamentals of capitalist ethics require that 'you shall earn your bread in sweat' – unless you happen to have private means.

- Kalecki.