Can someone explain a decentralized planned economy? Right now I'm for centralized but decentralized sounds pretty cool to.
Decentralized Planned Economy
Samuel Peterson
Nathan Ross
Here's an interesting example:
Carter Johnson
Are you an intern or something? I've seen you post at least 3 jacobin articles in the last hour alone.
John Phillips
No, I just like the magazine.
Joseph Smith
Basically people send there demands through computers and the state run enterprise does it?
Benjamin Collins
Somewhat. It was highly decentralized and had built-in features to prevent Orwellian or Stalinist abuse. At least according to what I've read, I'm not an expert admittedly. It's a largely forgotten piece of history and economics.
Benjamin Kelly
Cool would there still be money or would everyone get free shit lmoa
Isaiah Powell
That's kind of an idiotic question.
Gabriel Price
I was talking to ancoms and they were talking about a money less decentralized planned economy.
Elijah Rodriguez
Which sounds idiotic.
Justin Hill
I don't get it either.
Dylan Adams
In any case, Cybersyn wasn't an attempt at "anarchy". AFAIK it's the only decentralized planned attempt, but I'm sure there are others.
Anthony Hill
This is becoming a meme, isn't it? I have seen several threads about this these past couple of weeks.
Anyway, the earliest ideas about what we're calling "decentralized planning" were with the early cyberneticians. They had an inkling of government support during the Thaw, but lost it even before Krushchev was out. I have the romantic notion that "decentralized planning" would have led to the much dreamed-of socialism with a human face, but we will never know.
I have several books primed to read about it, but I never get started because I'm a master at procrastination. If you want to get a head start on me: From Newspeak to Cyberspeak: A History of Soviet Cybernetics, "The Cybernetics Scare and the Origins of the Internet", "InterNyet: why the Soviet Union did not build a nationwide computer network", "From Cybernetics to Cyber Networks", maybe a couple more that I'm missing now. There's also Red Plenty in fiction, it's full of that sanctimonious bullshit about how Bolsheviks were amoral intellectuals and apostles of violence and all that crap, but it's a great read.
Related to it, Soviets also built the only electronic ternary computers. The factory assigned to build them hated them because they were too cost-efficient and cheap. Apparently ternary computers have significant advantages, but I can't tell which they are because material about the topic in English is close to zero.
Thomas Gray
Computers are goddamn scabs
Angel Powell
You can have decentralized planning but centrally coordinated production.
Gabriel Ramirez
Ludd tried to warn us, but no one listened.
Nathan Bell
Unless you are Hoxa fearing some electromagnetic bombs this step seems like unnecessary bureaucracy. Just replace them with a server which will accept the orders directly from people.
Camden White
Computers can malfunction.
Andrew Reed
not if you decentralize the network correctly.
Sure, if there would be one, gigantic state-owned central server which would process every single thing, there would be high chance of malfunction.
But if you decentralize it bitcoin-style, there would be no problem if a few computers malfunction, the rest will continue as if nothing happened. This would mean, in oversimplified form, that every person have at home a little bit of government - computer(s) which would hold information about production and needs, maybe more, based on decisions of central state committee.
Jaxon Campbell
No ancom talks about money in an anarchist society. Collectivists and syndicalists to an extent either directly (for some of the former ) or indirectly through labor vouchers (for either case, usually as a temporary measure for syndicalists), but not straight ancoms. Read a fucking book.
It's more that it prevented cities from starving and essential production from halting while the strike is underway. That's a fairly equitable way to permit the workers to strike while not endangering the health and livelihood of large swaths of uninvolved people.
Still less so than human operators, and as put it, that problem diminishes on the larger economic scale if the network in question is decentralized.
Colton Powell
decentralized planning is undemocratic and leads to anarchy of production, what you need is a plan by society as a whole and decentralized execution of the plan
Ryder Morgan
Anthony Hill
decentralized>>>centralized
Centralized systems are inevitably run for the benefit of the center, not the people.
Parker Hill
It was a strike by business owners, not workers, and they received $2m in CIA money for the muh privilege
Angel Hernandez
The abolition of rational economy. Do you really think economic agent #33,863 can actually gather information on all the tens of thousands of other plans and direct their own activity accordingly without a price mechanism to coordinate them? Give me a fucking break people. The centralized plan is communism, it is the only means available to break free from the dictatorship of capital over our lives.
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Kayden James
Funny you should mention that, because when the Soviet cyberneticians proposed using iterative methods and networks to calculate optimum production, party busybodies accused them of bringing back capitalist price-setting.