On the Jewish Question

So after reading this my mind is fucking wasted and extremely confused.

If Marx known and wrote that jews are so greedy and mischievous.
Why were so many communist revolutionaries all jewish?

For example in Germany almost all of them were actual jews.
Most soviet bolsheviks like Yazov, Yagoda, Trotsky, Radek etc were jews who Stalin purged later
Stalin himself had a lot of Anti-Semitic thinking and even before WW2 started during Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact considered to purge the ministry of jews.

Nazis were self professed "Socialists" who fought 🍀🍀🍀Capitalists🍀🍀🍀 to destroy class system in germany and to replace it with "Volk" class (Basically workers class but more adjusted to Nationalism).
Hitler himself had some personal admiration from Marx's dreams even tho he hated him.

Mussolini before basically creating Fascism was a hardcore Socialist but later changed to hardcore Nationalist adopting Fascio system (United we are strong)

So it got me thinking…
Did jews try to compromise Marx's ideas to prevent eventual Revolution?

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"Bolsheviks, including Jewish Bolsheviks, were hostile to Judaism. From December 1918 to August 1919, the teaching of Hebrew was banned, religious instruction in Judaism was forbidden, the Kehillot (an umbrella organization of Jewish communists) was suppressed and the leaders of those organizations were rounded up and imprisoned.

In the next decade, anti-Semitism began to appear in Communist Party propaganda, with references by the Vozd against "Talmudists." During this period trials against Jews that would "put the trials of Dreyfus and Beilis in the shade."

Even in the early years of Hitler, when Nazism was supposedly the mortal enemy of Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks agreed with the Nazis that Jews were exploiters of the working class in Germany. As Walter Laqueur writes in his 1959 book, The Soviet Union and the Middle East:

"With the stimulus to Zionism given by the rise of Hitler, the Soviet and Comintern organs intensified their attacks on Zionism. Hitler's anti-Semitism was regarded skeptically; commenting on the April, 1933, boycott in Germany, it was said ‘In a few days you will find that all the big Jewish stores still exist, that Jewish bankers, capitalists and stock jobbers are still carrying on their businesses, and that no Jewish industrialist has suffered any damage.'"

So, while the Christian democracies were deploring Kristallnacht and despicable acts of the Nazis toward the Jews, the Bolsheviks (supposedly controlled by the Jews) pretended that the Nazis and Jews were actually in league – it is hard to imagine clearer evidence that those Jews who had died with the Bolsheviks (and so repudiated Judaism) were pawns of the Bolsheviks, not the controllers of Bolshevism."
americanthinker.com/2007/12/wrongfully_accused_jews_and_bo.html#ixzz3CjVxnvSd

Found a pic of you OP

they weren't you fucking retard

How do nazis reconcile their hatred of jews with the fact that Hitler (and most of his cabinet) were jewish? (also with Hitler having African roots)

Therefore jews did the holocaust and should technically be their heroes. Doesn't this prove jews are superior?

Interesting…
I never knewn about anti-semitism in Communist Party and always assumed that antisemitism only occurred under Stalin.

I found a video of you OP

When Bolsheviks were still under the name of Russian Social Democratic Labour Party they did purge the party form its jewish separatist elements(Jewish Labour Bund [aka. General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland and Russia]) for example.

marx was a jew and so were the bolsheviks.

That is not anti semitism. That is anti religion like communism is supossed to be.
Anti semitism is when you think a person should have less rights just because his name is Mark Goldberg even tho he isn't religious or culturally jewish.

This is a huge difference. Racist are mentally ill psychopaths that need to be erradicated from society.

All the people in your image who you described as "Jewish"
were "Mischling" who were treated normally just like any other "European".

For your knowledge Nazis were deporting juden to palestine himself before it was even mainstream like to day.

72% Russian (53% of population)
6% Ukrainian (21% of population)
5.2% Jewish (1.8% of population)
4.6% Polish, Latvian, other Baltic (0.7% of population)
3.4% Transcaucasian (2.5% of population)
2.5% Central Asian (7% of population)
2% RSFSR minorities (4.3% of population)
3% others (6.4% of population)

Source: T.H Rigby, "Communist Party Membership in the USSR, 1917-1967"

Out of the 15 members of the Council of People's Commissars on 7 November 1917, the only Jew was Trotsky. Except for the Ukrainian Lunacharsky and the Pole Teodorvitch, everyone else was Russian

In the Civil War, 22,000 ex-Tsarist officers served with the Red Army in 1918 and a total 48,000 in the entire Civil War. This element was crucial in preserving the Bolshevik Revolution. Needless to say, there was not a Jewish element amongst ex-Tsarist officers. Neither was there a Jewish element amongst the primary commanders of the Red Army. The aforementioned Latvian Riflemen leader Joachim Vatsetis became commander-in-chief of the entire Red Army from September 1918 to July 1919. He was replaced by Sergei Kamenev who was of course a Russian. Other important leaders of the Red Army were Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko, Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Mikhail Frunze (Romanian), Klement Voroshilov, Vasili Bliukher, and Semyon Budyonni (Cossack).

Thus, it has been proven that there was a limited Jewish presence amongst the Bolsheviks whether in the state, party, or military.
Cameron, Kenneth Neill. Stalin, Man of Contradiction. Toronto: NC Press, c1987, p. 75

That doesn't answer my question.

Also are you saying that since they were only part-jewish it was OK? Doesn't that undermine the whole "master race" spiel? Also, if it's ok to consider a jew to be aryan because he's not fully jewish, why don't you also consider a half-black person to be ok as a white person? Isn't this a double standard?

Hitler was an illiterate moron who had an incoherent ideology, and Marx saying things that sound anti-semitic is not the same as being an anti-semite. He was from a family of Rabbi's.

Werner Goldberg (October 3, 1919 – September 28, 2004) was a German who was of half Jewish ancestry, or Mischling in Nazi terminology, who served briefly as a soldier during World War II and whose image appeared in the Berliner Tageblatt as "The Ideal German Soldier"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Goldberg

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…someone didn't actually read on the Jewish question. If you did, you'd realize that Marx was htting much more against the idea of liberalism, and judiaism (that is those who participate in the religion/culture) not some spooky race bullshit.

I wasn't arguing about race. This isn't Holla Forums…..

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So jews are perfectly fine and the holocaust was a mistake and Hitler was a faggot. You agree?

I can agree that Hitler made retarded/autistic mistakes.
But what if i told you that Holomeme is exaggerated just like hohol genocide, my ancom friend?

So you're a holocaust denier?

What makes you any better than the average Holla Forumsfag?

You're not going to give me some shitty graph or link to a blog are you?

Which parts?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

This ones


Like i said.
I don't deny holomeme but i think it has a lot of exaggerations. Well at least it's in my mind so it is true.

What exaggerations? How many Jews do you think died?

Oh ffs…you nazi will never be able to grasp this. The people that died under Stalin leadership, were killed because they were corrupt. The fact that many were jews is irrelevant. They were pro american cancer.
The right thing was done.

Ayy LMAO chinga a tu puta madre maldito nazi.

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I actually remember those first three images, a Holocaust denier photoshopped those to make it look like historians were using fake photos. The fourth one is just a cropped version of the below photo (lol wut), and the fourth one could be a reenactment that was done to illustrate something that actually happened, and it's hard to tell if that's the case (or if it's a fake image) without context from the Life article.

*fifth one

So you acknowledge it happened but mock it as a "meme"? Shouldn't the fact that it happened steer you away from na.zism or do you think "lele they deserved it for being le jewz"?

Jews never have loyalty to their host nations, and thus murdering the Tzar, King or overthrowing a European country and taking land that belongs to families with longstanding ties is not a problem for them.

It's why it will never happen now, after the last century the accumulation of wealth in Jewish control is so disproportionate to their population, that there will never be Jewish involvement in Communist revolutions, but they will seek to put the nation states into decay, demographically, while increasing wealth, and having their own ethno-state with strict irrelevant shiting laws.

Like it or not you have exterminate the corrupt.

I'm starting to feel like Stalin did nothing wrong.

Fuck off back to >>>Holla Forums

Were the Romanovs, dare I utter a thought, /our guys/?

ftfy
Unlike you im not a moralfag who abandones ideas if they do shity things.

Can some of you debunk this? Stupid reactionary poster from a chatroom keeps telling me that Jews are trying to take over trough Communism.

The Holocaust is theatre constructed at various phases, from before the war, to after it, to revising it down from the ludicrous claims and settling on unprovable ones as dogma that really won't be touched as they are political and professional land mines.
Yes, they deported them to labour camps. No, they did not mass exterminate them. There were no gassings. Many Jews died as a direct result of NSDAP, particularly as the British bombed the living fuck out of the camp infrastrucures and train lines, and typhus killed hundreds of thousands.

This pales in comparison to the German POW's that died after the war.

Yes good pleb, it is the "jew" that controls the world, not the bourgeoisie capitalists.

I'm not an ML you dumbass.

The entire platform of the na.zis (aside from fucking up the economy) was the holocaust. That's what you're supporting you moron.

Wtf I love jews now

This fucking thread…

They will be involved, but to fuck it up, any true believers will be easily co-opted.

Firstly its a strawman argument made on bad faith on baseless assumptions.
Secondly text is misinterpreted on purpose.
Thirdly, Marx for all intents and purposes on every legal sense was a Lutheran, like his father.

Uh no, read some actual history you fucking revisionist.

Are you seriously trying to say that 35% of the richest ethnicity in the world, is controlled by people that have barely a million in the EU, and 6m in the US?

That is insanely disproportionate, you are making my case.

But that's all that it is.
Unless you are german/austrian/german speaking switzerland, i don't understand why are you jerking off to that.
I've seen people on halfchan wishing Germany to invade their countries again. They are fake patriots. Most nazis are fake patriots pandering to german garbage.

Must be down to their high Autism Level and industry. Bow down to the master race :^)

That's not the point, capitalist wealth is entirely disproportionate. It doesn't matter if they're jewish or not.

Nice argument

Read some what history, that's an infograph you autist. I'll tell you what made me not believe the mass extermination was a thing, it was a program on channel 4 about Treblinka.

The Chief rabbi of Poland comes on to tell the piece of shit archeologist 1m Jews were gassed, buried, dug up again, burned, then scattered and buried again. He said if she found evidence of dead bodies she should STOP IMMEDIATLEY and bury it as it was sacred or something to that effect.

They do geophysics and find there had been zero ground dug around the camps, apart from the housing. (exactly where the Rabbi said it happened) Next thing the lady is digging up bones, getting all weepy, (evidence of a murder mind you, a crime site) and she stops digging immediatley.

A few days later I found a piece on it, and where she dug was an old Catholic grave yard not even close to the place they said was where the jews were, predating the war by maybe 100 years.

This was presented on British television, by a BritisH Academic as proof of the Holocaust. I was absolutely disgusted that people would do that, be so immoral, and yet a chief Rabbi of Poland was leading up the band. Why would he do that?

Provide a source for your claims, you faggot.

The German revolution was led by…. wait for it…. Germans. Sailors, politicians and soldiers who were mostly catholic too.

Do you mean Caroline Colls study in Treblinka? Here's a rebuttal to denier nonsense on it: holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/01/thomas-kues-on-recent-archaeological.html

Also, if you really don't believe "mass extermination was a thing" (despite all evidence to the contrary), it shouldn't be too hard to find evidence of mass transports out of the Atikon Reinhard camps?

Why don't you read Colls' scientific literature instead of relying on BBC shows you misinterpret to inform your worldview?

was won by*

It's pretty funny how every single intellectual we worship was against jews. Maybe they were right or something? I like what Proudhon said the most though.

t. Friedrich Engels

Socialism is about serving the will of the workers. There is nothing socialist about forcing all men to share their wives and give up all their possessions. Workers want to live in nation-states, where theyre allowed to have their own families and possessions and Churches, it's the most effective model for employment and happiness. Marxism is NOT Socialism.

She hasn't fucking gone back. She also humiliated one of the Jewish museums by sending them a piece of tiling that had a 'Star of David' on it as evidence of the gas chamber lel, it was a fucking common polish tile marked on the bottom with a star and nothing to do with a gas chamber or the jews.

As for Treblinka, it was a transit camp between Madjenek and Warsaw. The testimony of suvivors prove this to be the case. The documentary Treblinka Archeology Hoax on youtube covers it.

Just jumping in and out quick. Wasnt Marx ancestrally jewish? Anyways, there were alot of jews before they got fucking wiped out so you could argue they supported anything.

Not really, it was won by capitalists and socdems

I mean you are telling me a Scholar found evidence of holocaust of possibly 1m Jews, a jackpot if ever there was one financially and prestigiously, a final death knell to the evil anti-semites, she gets torn to shreds for a clear hoax, and then never goes back or talks about it again and shuts down all discussion.

Fucking hell, that's very believable. Also believable that a Rabbi with proof of the claims, say's NO DON'T DIG ANYMORE when these people weren't even fucking given a Jewish buriel? This is laughable.

There is also not a shred of evidence for Auswitz gassing, nor is there a possible way they could have pulled it off with their infrastructure. The Holocaust is really the rounding up of Jews and their subsequent death by typhus, and obviously some may have been shot or killed in similar ways the German POWs were killed in their hundreds of thousands after the war.

But the story they are selling is bollocks, and even the least skeptical person would recognise there is good reason for such stories, from the Allies who lied about lampshades and soap to the German people after the war, to the benefits financially and politically it afforded the Jewish people and Zionists.

That's not what I asked for, and I'm not gonna waste time watching Nazi propaganda - I'm also suspect that you didn't read the article. There is 0 evidence that Treblinka II was a transit camp. I'm asking you to provide me with evidence of mass transits out of the Atikon Reinhard camps - 1.5 million people. Surely, it shouldn't be so hard to find evidence of mass transits of that many people?

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Complete bullshit. We have photographic, forensic, testimonial, documentary and demographic evidence on mass gassings at Auschwitz.

Here's an index of published evidence on mass gassings as Auschwitz:
holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2016/12/age-composition-of-hungarian-jewish.html

It was a fucking transit camp look at the fucking design ffs. It's tiny.

Why do I need to supply evidence of mass transits out, when you can't even give me a shred of evidence of the buriel of ONE MILLION PEOPLE. Do you fucking comprehend how ridiculous that is?

I am not a Nazi, I don't agree with any race being rounded up and imprisioned, and I don't think Jews are all evil, there is however a problem whether you are a Communist, or someone who wants to preserve European cultures as they are, about the Jewish influence and financial power. If Porky has to die, I think you are going to be doing a lot worse than old Adolf.

If this is a link to Nuremburg I'm going to be a sad person. Did they ever say how 4m people were gassed in one tiny room, and burned in tiny one man crematorium, that would have taken working around the clock, and for decades to complete? This bang in the middle of a two sided war effort, and in need of labour desperately?

Not to mention the testimony of people doesn't even fit the fucking method of the Zyklon B, you had to heat it and burn it, then use a fan to blow around the clothes and kill the fleas. Tell me about the showers, how that worked with gas coming straight out. Utter bollocks

Lol

Okay: how about the Polish reports following the liberation of Treblinka? Also, you clearly did not read the article I provided because you didn't respond to any of the claims about what Colls research actually showed. These reports confirmed what has been espoused by historians till today: Treblinka II was an extermination camp, hence almost all bodies being cremated. Treblinka I was a small work camp. There is no evidence it was a transit camp.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2006/07/polish-investigations-of-treblinka.html

I'm aware that Treblinka was tiny? That's a good reason to believe if it was a transit camp, we should have a plethora of evidence as to where all these Jews were going.


4m were not gassed at Auschwitz, 900,000 - 1.1m were gassed. Less than half the victims of the Holocaust were gassed at camps, most of them were murdered by death squads.


What are you yammering on about? Still looking for those records of mass transit?

There's no question … about the Jews . Marx and Voltaire and countless others of the highest mind were right about them . What is a Jew ? Unbridled , evil-minded cosmopolitans , profiteers with no roots and no conscience … Grown on rotten yeast of bourgeois cosmopolitanism , decadence and formalism … non-indigenous nationals without a motherland , who poison with stench our proletarian culture . Anti-revolutionary to the core … This troublesome tribe must be dealt with swiftly … lest they destroy any chance of a true revolution for the proletarian … Forever .

you're pretty close, now just replace jews with capitalists.

Where is the crematorium? Where is the gas chamber? Were they gassed? Were they shot? Why did she dig up a fucking body, if they were all cremated. Why not do a forensic study, call the police, it's a fucking murder scene.

The most Jews murdered by death squads were in the east, we have evidence for it, this is not what the Holocaust refers to. Yes, we are told now it is only the 1m at Auswitz, yet 6m figure stays the same.

As for Treblinka, LISTEN TO THE TESTIMONY OF JEWS THAT SPENT ONE FUCKING DAY THERE AND WERE MOVED ON TO MADJENAK.

They must know less about it than you. Look at the testimony of all the jews Spielberg recorded but never used, and the stories they tell that are never used, like how Auswitz was a fucking decent enough place, they played football, organised concerts, had movies theatre, had tuck shops, camp currency, drank poor German beer.

Compare that with the testimony of Jews repeating falsehoods over and over, such as Mengele taking them off the train or pointing at them, of people being gassed in showers, when that is impossible.

Marx wasn't talking about a Jewish race, he was talking about Jewish culture/religion.
Most Jewish socialists, including Marx himself, were entirely secular and opposed to Zionism/nationalism.
/r/ing quotes from that Arab socialist guy who posts about Marxist shit.

Well the alt right is correct about jews always getting themselves killed lmao.

Just look at the TRS fiasco, the leader of it is a jew married to a jew

Did you read what I posted?
Did you read what I posted?
Did you read what I posted?

No, the Holocaust always referred to the systemic plan to exterminate Jews. Why you think "death squads" are somehow exempt from this plan baffles me. Estimates of 1 million murdered at Auschwitz were published as early as the 1940's.

Testimony from Jews who might not have not even been at Birkeneau does not disprove the mountains of testimony to the contrary.

History is built on a convergence of evidence. If some Jewish people testified that they were gassed through "shower heads", this would not invalidate the many who testified to it being poured in through holes in the ceiling which are visible from ariel photos taken during the war.

For an example of how the death squads were using to systematically murder Jews take a look at a letter, written by Nazi Harold Turner.

Where the hell is prickly?

The death squads were not systematic, they were often disgusto>>1246211


These Jews were in TREBLINKA, then moved on to Madjenk or Warsaw. The Auswitz Jews, give detailed accounts of the end of the war. This was a time when we were told the final solution was ramped up. Their testimony say's the guards were far more relaxed, one man recounts a game of football between Poland and Germany, where the SS guards join in, and they were all laughing. There are hundreds of testimony about the swimming pool. The plays, the guards organising the play materials, the musicals, the bands being organised.

There is ZERO evidence a single human was gassed, the bloody holes you are talking about are post war additions by the soviets. The fixtures in the chamber are clearly knocked out and visible to make it a single chamber. It's a fucking Soviet PR stunt.

That's odd, considering the vast majority of testimony speaks to the opposite and you have to provide a source for any of your claims. If you would like to see a published index of 100's of testimonies on Auschwitz, see .

No they were not. It's odd that you claim photographs that were taken by the British, and released in 2004 (after the dissolution of the Soviet Union) would be post war additions by the Soviets. holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2015/02/john-balls-air-photo-evidence-on.html

Did you remember to take your meds today friend? If so, I'd like evidence of about 1.2 million Jews out of the Atikon Reinhard Camps, and 900k - 1.1m out of Auschwitz.

Oops, I conflated the photos. The photos you mean were released by the CIA, but nevertheless were also released following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and accusations of tampering our dealt with in the link I provided.

Your personal opinion or intuition is not evidence, you fuckup. Please provide REAL, CONCRETE evidence to back up your claims.

Stop being retarded with your confirmation bias and just read the fucking links.

The bourgoise knows no race.

Wow there's a JQ book from Marx himself. WTF… this is great… I must read this.

Marx means by the Jew, Christians and Jews. He actually say Christian nations became Jews…

He means the capitalist system overall.

It's an essay.

Good post notice how the children here can't refute it so they just spew memes.

Communist revolutions of the future will be basically goyim vs the Jewish ruling class, whether they like it or not. The Jews are the real Nazis.

The first three are "fabricated fakes" of unknown origin that have never been used by anyone, historian or otherwise, as evidence.

The fourth is, errr, quite obviously just cropped? The original is actually more widely circulated from what I remember, it's even used to illustrate the "Einsatzgruppen" article on Wikipedia.

As for the fifth… I don't know the story behind Simon Wiesenthal's art, but it seems likely to me that he may have based his drawing off the widely available photographs without knowing they actually were German soldiers.

Yet more denialist nonsense, that is all.

if anybody is wondering this is why fascists only understand violence

bash the fash tbh

There's nothing to refute

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We're on to you Shlomo

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Good wage slave

really made me think

Jews play both sides friend

So Hitler was a Jew????

At last I am enlightened by Holla Forums's supreme reasoning

Jews invented niggers so they could cuck white aryans, but Jews also invented Hitler to uncuck to the nigger jews, nigger,jew,nigger , jew

apart from the mountain of evidence that the holocaust happened, fuck off

So like everyone else, then?

Hitler was not a Jew, he was obviously not a globalist. Jews are born globalists.

except like Jewish nationalists and stuff

did you even compare the two? They're obviously not the same

but that still doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is incoherent. Marx "made" communism so that it would never work after cause it was contaminated with Jewery and then the Bolsheviks corrupted his already corrupted message? Have you ever taken a second to think to yourself "maybe I'm retarded?"

Sounds like a globalist to me, pretty much a Jew through and through.

I never made a comment on Marx's opinion on Jews. Jews back in his day had no qualms overturning the socities they lived in as they were never part of them culturally and did not own anywhere near the amount of property and capital they do now, which is why they will never really allow anything like Communism and you get sent down side roads like post modernism, Feminism, and idpol.

Jewish nationalists despise nationalists of other stripes, it's diversity for you, nationlism for them. Survival for them, decay for you.

What societies did jews overthrow?