Whats your political ideology?
m8
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hello fellow councilist
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just pick Not Socialism because that's essentially what you are, nazi scum.
Fix pls
Sorry. Just do Marxism Leninism I guess.
Hard to say. I suppose transhumanist communism if that were an option, but that's more what I think the inevitable outcome will be than the road I think should be taken. As to the latter, lol idk. Still trying to figure that out.
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Build-international-worker's-movementism i guess.
I feel your pain
Council communism = BEST communism
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Has this already become a banner?
Not yet.
are you me, m8?
This is exactly how I feel. Except instead of praising the USSR I praise Cuba.
wew
I see a lot of nazi's on Holla Forums
You disapoint me, OP
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I included one joke Ideology I'm not including 2.
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It's the only political system that isn't shit
t.someone who isn't retarded
Seriously your system would devolve into feudalism or the people who owned the private police would gain a monopoly and form a de facto totalitarian dictatorship. Also Venezuela isn't socialist.
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What?
How new are you?
Are you trying to imply that anarcho-capitalism is a form of socialism?
see
Put Juche and Chavismo in the one nobody cares about.
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Quality argument my friend!
OH BOY, HERE COME THE BOTS
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BO wants the active ISPs to shoot over 900.
Where Can I submit banners?
hmm I wonder who just entered this thread.
Dunno, the sticky at the very top?
I praise Cuba too
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Damn right
They starved and were illiterate because of Castro, you fucking retard
No they were starved and illiterate because of Batista. Now they have food and a 97% literacy rate.
Reeee you need to check your muh privilege and get my pronoun right!!
You talking about America…?
shoo shoo dummy poo
¿Porque no los dos?
Kek
I find I borrow from Syndicalism, Communalism, and Council Communism, but I normally just call myself a syndicalist.
This one's better quality
Add the leftypol """"water mark"""" and we are golden.
Thanks.
should change IDpolers to /r/socialism
no tankie is gonna refer to themselves as "stalinists" and you're splitting trots with the democratic socialism option
shit tier poll
Stalinism and Marxist-Leninism is the same.
Also, surprised how many market socialists are arround, always thought that was more of a fringe sort of ideology.
You know, with phrasing like that you're setting yourself up for a splitter joke.
The only reason this place is good is because it's sectarian; nobody agrees on anything except maybe a vague conception of identity politics and why it's bad and there's a general disdain for reddit. That, and a (vague) anti-capitalism.
No, that's stupid. Why give up on universality? Why give a reddit board unduly recognition?
The posters may be sectarian, but the place isn't.
Islamic communists let's unite!
What's the difference between these?
Disagreement is not enough to qualify sectarianism. Neither are insults (in the context of an anonymous imageboard at least.)
Even Nazbols are tolerated here. If that's sectarian, i don't know what qualify as non sectarian.
idpol isn't bad. The only problem with it is overusing it.
Ali ibn abi talib was a man who would eat only hard bread, salt, and water. He mention that he will never live better than his poorest subject. He gave the land that was taken from conquered Persians back to those who farmed it.
Before he became caliph he worked as a day labor for a Jewish man's farm.
I'm not really shia anymore, but Ali is still one of my inspirations
Ali was one of the greatest men in the world, he is an inspiration.
Good for you for not being Shia anymore. All kind of form of sects aren't Islamic let it be Sunni or Shia or whatever… and both have special interest political goals that serve the porky "leaders" of those two sects.
It's not givving up on universality, it's making an edit of an image to adapt it to a particular context. Thoses pictures do not erase the original by the simple fact of existing.
Although I still do participate in some religious gatherings, it's necessary for social life and so I have a community (not to mention it is quite enjoyable sometimes)
Where are you from by the way? I live in Abu Dhabi, parents are Iraqi shias
So this board actually is more-or-less reasonable, huh.
Nigga i might disagree with you but i am willing to stand by fellow leftists
Nothing wrong with that.
I'm from Morocco. When I was a kid Morocco was practicing a lot of Shia traditions… we were actually a Shia country from founding and centuries after, also our Kings supposedly Alawites (sons of Ali) attracted Shia followers. But the good thing is we never identified with that.
The Kings and people around them were always Suffis for whatever reason. The East try to paint us with being "Sunnis" today but we aren't.
Finally I hope MENA overcome this sectarian mess and try to actually work for the benefit of all Muslims/MENAians.
It's non-sectarian because there's neither bans for any ideology neither an universally hated ideology (don't contest me on this one faggots).
If you have a contrarian opinion, we'll argue (and meme) against you but no stupid safe space bans.
Also almost everyone agrees on socialism except for social democrats.
Nazbols, right?
Stay mad
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Many people just name themselves Market Socs because the USSR failed and they want to try something completely different, without really understand much of the theory behind it beyond muh coops.
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Read this for starters marxists.org
SocDems tax the income, we tax the WEALTH.
A whole lot different, comrade.
Thanks!
In the sense that the latter will make the capitalists you want to tax leave the country even quicker than the first?
Let it be. Fly away porky.
Some will stay since the market will have a so low competition that it's more profitable even with wealth taxation (it's only 2.5%).
If a rich country became equal but it had a lower GDP, it's beneficial to anyone who's not the 1%.
GDP != good life Mr. Nazbol.
omfg, read a fucking book
Only 2 MLM? I knew you we're all filthy first-worldist.
MLM is not unruhe kind of fringe turd wordist shit
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So you either create capital flight and decreased investment, thereby sabotaging your own economy in the long term, or you make the tax so low that Porky doesn't mind and stays around, in which case it's pointless. You can't have capitalism and simultaneously attempt to work against the logic of capital; this will just create a poorly functioning sort of capitalism. An equality where everyone is worse off and the wealthy all jump ship doesn't help anyone. This is the Piketty style utopianism where you believe you can solve the world's problems without actually changing anything structurally.
Fug. I guess I'll choose market socialism because Tito was a pretty cool guy.
What's the alternative? I think we can find a right percent of tax that make the thing work…
We all love socialism. But how to implement it? we still have no idea tbh.
nice try buddy
Please die soon.
fuck Mao, he's a bitch
heh
He wrote a lot about ML. Just forget his practise lol.
yes
This is why christians need to be worked to death.
t.fedora
heh
Whoa, there's more of us market socialists than I realized.
Wanna write an anthem?
Pardon me, but allow me to explain; you see, what our self-contradictory aynrandarcho-crapitalist friend here is trying to imply, is that by saying
He means to say that on boards with IDs, the amount of replies that a particular poster with an ID will be shown, and this gives credence to that poster's argument on whether or not said argument is holds truth value. Sadly, what our retarded randroid friend here doesn't seem to understand is that
A: The amount of comments posted in a particular thread holds no weight whatosever to the argument's value, if you said Hitler was a nazi, pointing out that a poster who said that only posted one reply in the entire thread has nothing to do with the argument, and instead is a non-sequitur as well as a thinly-veiled ad hominem (you don't have enough replies, so your opinion doesn't matter, because you don't matter)
and B: There's no IDs here, you fucking neo-feudalist faggot, so how could you tell the poster you're replying to had only comment in the whole thread?
So if I'm using a board with ID's and I post something retarded, the more replies it gets, the truer it is?
That's pretty cool
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hello pancake brother
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I will have you know that I am actually special snowflake socialism with lots of computers.
I like my socialism without having my family broken apart and my neighbourhood flooded with africans.
FIXED
I like my capitalism without having my family broken apart and my neighbourhood flooded with africans.
Anarchism.
I used to have a boner for mutualism, but now I'm more of an ancom/ansyn. Decentralized, democratic planned economy is where it's at. I'm also interested in post-left ideas, but they sometimes sounds like obscure edgelords.
Just a Bookchin fanboy really
Why you quit mutualism ?
Leftist Not Socialism exists
Just pick Not Socialism or Asserism
Marxism-Leninism is basically another word for Stalinism.
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Also Asserism
Ohhhhhhh the word filter.
Anti-national Communalist.
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marketsoc represent!
Fuck your planned economies.
Voted. Also, does the filter really change Asserism?
Indeed it does.
A network of coops exchanging things on a market is still a production for profit rather than for use. I think it's best to just get rid of money and plan things on the communal scale. Funding a coop under capitalism is a good idea tho, it can make people realize we don't need a boss in order to work.
Quick little extra pie chart representing broad ideological classes as of a few minutes ago (with a degree of arbitration necessary for some of the borderline ideologies).
Seek help
why the fuck were right wing ideologies included
Yep, idpol at its purest.
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No clue: ask the person who made the poll. Not like they're taking up a huge percentage of the results regardless.
Because there is a constant Holla Forumsack presence on this board.
Fuck pie charts
Use a proper chart
Based.
Ancom
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Literally why would you add Not Socialism on there
This whole poll is completely retarded and doesn't allow for proper results, the fact you've added 'Marxism' and 'Left communism' while also including council communism and marxism-leninism etc means you're just going to mix everything up
Make another one
You might have misunderstood the concept of majority there
Try plurality
I think the "Marxism" option is for those who hold a non-specific Marxist position, while "left communism" is more for the Bordigists and other more niche ideologies, specifically since the councilists are specifically mentioned as a separate category.
The poll is largely fine. It covers most of the ground it should. Those who subscribe to ML or council communism will chose the respective choice and those who are not but still exist under the larger banners of Marxism/Leftcom respectively will chose those options. If you want to consider them as the same group, just add the two values of the supposed split vote.
Market socialists are a significant section here
Market socialist flag when?
Because it filters out the idiots who think that NEETsoc is actually socialism, ensuring they don't artificially inflate the results for other choices.
You already have two mutualist flags and a titoist flag.
So?
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The 20th century is over
Markets are unstable and will inevitably lead to the accumulation of capital. Fuck Market Socialism.
I honestly didn't realize how many market socialists were on this board
Planned economy's (at least centrally planned ones) literally don't work.
Proofs please
I personally advocate an economy that is jointly planned between the State, the various worker soviets, and administrative units (such as provinces)
In the end, when the State whithers away and a truly classless and stateless society is gone, the Commune as a whole will come together to make economic decisions which constitutes a planned economy.
A market relies on producing goods and services for the point of profit. It's inevitable that some will manage to amass more profit and from there, more capital.
Why would the state wither away if the people in the state could have more power by keeping it?
Your lack of egoism… disturbs me
Unacceptable.
Well when you combine democratic confederalism with communalism (considering they're essentially the same) you get 19 votes which is pretty respectable
I love this site
Whats wrong if someone works hard and gets more money?
come on, comrades!
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You're really asking on Holla Forums what's wrong with capital accumulation?
Anyways to answer your question, the issue is that typically the hardest working people do not get paid the most. Many people work shitty jobs, often multiple jobs, and get little pay and benefits while the CEO and stockholders of the company can get unbelievable amounts of wealth.
The material basis of the State, social stratification in the form of classes, would disappear if the workers seized the means of production and the new State was headed by members of the working class.
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This tbh
You want to know why they call me slick entryist?
the real world is unstable, get used to it. It would be much more stable than modern capitalism though.
capital won't accumulate with low savings rates among everyone and high estate taxes, which would be the case in market socialism
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MODS, WHEN?
We all ready have a yugoslavia flag.
Yugo is no longer….
We also have the mutalism flag.
Yugo is ok but Mutualism is trash tier.
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Thanks, been looking for these.
Delet this???
is pirat flag = mutualism?
Piracy is more like market anarchism
so ancap without the contracts?
leftwing market anarchism? any books on that?
Its the same as mutualism.
Feels good that liberalism and socdem have 22 votes total.
This is a place for all left wing ideologies
kys etc
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we Holla Forums now
What?
I'm okay with socdems coming here but only if they lurk and submit to the true left. neolibs can fuck off.
also
WHERE MY ANCOM BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT?
i'm a liberal am i allowed here
a liberal would be closer to the center.
Pretty sure liberals appear in the center top right there. Congratulations, looks like you're not who you think you are!
Examples. Based on 2016 US and 2015 UK.
but i want a liberal democracy and value individual liberty
this is retarded as hell
according to this the conservative party in the UK are basically a bunch of Pinochet clones and Trump is Hitler if he privatized more in the 30's
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Well, if they could just get rid of those pesky human rights…
We don't regard the compass too highly as something to base your leanings on here, but the fact you're on the other side of the compass shows that you definitely have some fundamental and important differences with being a liberal. I went to find another compass with some historical figures and found this one, then thought
Watch out if he tries to give you free healthcare. Then you'll know he is literally Hitler.