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If you buy a stolen car and the cops find it they're taking it right back to its real owner. All land is stolen property to be returned to its real owner: the people. We don't need to use old systems to do this, but we do need to do it in some form.

Are you saying that people shouldn't be punished for their stupidity?

Otherwise, the person who bought the stolen car can have his money returned to him by suing in court.

Lol, but again, his ownership is of legal fiction, he owns it because the state defends property claims

I give lasses on a classroom, I live in a house and The co-operative effort of the people making use of the s hool would take care of it

Nice fallacy, I am stri tly talking about how you need all the productive forces to produce ommodities and since property rights stop memfrom making use of land amd capital, they are interfiering with natural market forces

Exactly, the state is interfiering me becaise someone else is claiming ownership over the productive forces i use, this results in chaos

Relativism isn't an argument. There are metrics we can use to measure success and literacy. Can you read a book in your mother tongue? Can you write? Can you send a letter?

So why mention your anecdote?
Well, you are working for him, so it isn't stopping you. Do you want to steal his land?

Not by anecdotes, like "well, I knew a guy who couldn't read but he was literate". That is not the definition of literacy. We have metrics to measure literacy.

Seasons? I don't know, you can turn it into some factory. Why are shops closed at night, the land isn't being used. McDonalds is 24/7, go take it up with them. We have circadian rhythms, if you've noticed.

Not seeing this logic. Elaborate.

Well, we own things now. Thousands of years ago, we owned things, and land was for everybody because the concept of companies on land or mass acres of farmland didn't come to fruition. Now, people purchase these things to use them to sell things, or to just sit on them.
We also sell water, and that is necessary. Is that against our natural compass, too? What about oxygen tanks for the disabled, that is also necessary.

So don't live in an apartment. Go buy your own plot of land and charge your own rent. Go work to buy things.

Please tell me how selling land is the equivalent of slicing somebody open to steal their organs. I don't own the land.
So does some guy halfway around the world have a claim to some land I'm sitting on now?

pot calling the kettle black.

Well, there are people who live off of welfare, so many people do literally refuse to work.
Simply because something is seen in nature and is a biological necessity does not give you a direct claim to it. That isn't how it works, otherwise I have a direct claim to some glass of water a guy is drinking halfway around the world.

You need to claim ownership of land in order to sell it

When I talk about exchnage of commodities on a market I am talking about the exchnage of labour is was input in the commodity

With private property, I cannot have markets, as I cannot input my labour on land using dead lanour/constant capital

That is because you got cooned by propietors into buying something you cannot own, he tricked you

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dont you see the flag I hoist

How is ownership legal fiction? The state does not defend property claims, it defends property ownership.

Who would build the institute? Who would organise the institute so that it would function as an institute?

Once again, how would there be a market if there was not buyer and seller ownership?

What the fuck? Where is the demand for your illegal services?

Precisely because relativism isnt an argument, is it that your laim of calling someone "illiterate" holds no weight

A person who cannot read or write can be tought to do so, your point is moot

Why mention yours? Again, why do you think your anecdote of someone not knowing howmto read or write is valid?

This is slavery, property is slavery, a man should not work for nobody but himself

No, because I do not fall for property tricks, He would have to prove its his, and if he belives he can prove its his by using social contracts, then he is ought to understand that relativism isn't an argument

The way you measure illiteracy are similar to the way I measure that my boss doesnt know how to prepare and give classes, assest students or do social networking

Sure, but that still doesnt mean you own it, you are simply using the land as a base for your factory

Property is theft, thats the only logical axiom ever made
Property means you stop other from making use of the natural supply of land, the propietor is a thieve

Relativism isnt an argument, as you said, as the same argument could be made for communism, " We live in communism now!" The marxists say

Water is notnfixednto an specific location, water follows a cycle which means, whentaking water from a river itnwill eventually flow back to the ocean, evaporate and come down the mountains again, same for oxygen

Fuck you you dont tell me what to do

Why should I work when I could steal from a thieve, from the propietor, he clearly does not follow any form of moral system, why should I, my anarchist fellows understand this, which is why we had piracy, illegalism and now counter economics, if the propietor can make their own system of governance, so can I

There is a saying here "He who steals from a thieve, 100 years of forgiveness receive"

Then why do you claim property rights over it?

No, no one would claim land ownership, we understand we need it as a natural demand for it exist, we would share its usage

Welfare exist as a result of property rights, lazy people wont be able to survive without property rights

Precisely, the current proprietor system does not work

you think being a pirate is a rational set of beliefs to hold in civilized society?

You just explained it, the state defends property ownership, he who can prove that owns property, reaps the benefits of it, the state therefore would defend the claim which hold more legal weight, have you ever seen how a demand about property ownership works?

People must prove to the ourt they own it, and the state will decide who is the proprietor

Therefore it will defend the claim which holds more legal weight

Workers who want to exchange their labour and knowledge of language and how to teach it would, and they would exchange their labour formthe labour of someone else, a butcher, a baker, a clothemaker etc

I just explained it to you, we would buy and sell labour, as I wouldnt be able to separate labour time from the variable capital of a commodity, and since I exchanged my labour for it, I would be able to engage in a market exchange using it

A kidney sells for quite a high amount of money here, do you want me to introduce you to some organ dealers?

"Civilized society" calls its own violence, law, and that of the individual, crime

You think a society that defends property claims over the natural order of a man demanding usage of land to feed himself, is civilized?