What is the worst school of thought to come out of leftism in the past 40 years?
A. EuroCommunism
B. Communization Theory
C. Autonomism
D. Post-Marxism
E. Neo-Mutualism/Left-Wing Market Anarchism
F. Third Worldism
G. "Sharing Economy"
H. Post-Left Anarchism
I. Fourth Political Theory/National Bolshevism
J. Other ______ (fill in the blank)
Bonus: who is the worst left-wing theorist to come out of the left in the past 40 years?
Extra bonus: what is that worst theorist's worst work?
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I obviously
some of the others are bad too
Sharing economy and neo-mutualism is good
The worst? Toss-up between E. and A.
The most useless? E.
E. and G. are nearly identical in practice though.
Meant to say, I. and A. are the worst.
sharing economy is disgusting but it is only "left" insofar as neoliberalism is "left"
Pretty much. It's white liberals looking for feel-good reformism.
Then again, so is EuroCommunism.
this
why is communization bad?
also NazBol/4PT isn't leftist
Anything that relies on theoretical anti-humanism, meaning every ideology on the list except for B, E, and G.
Guy Debord
Its about as leftist as third worldism is.
Both third worldism and 4PT are just nationalism. They're only considered "leftist" because they appropriate Soviet and Maoist imagery.
The "Sharing Economy", because it reinforces the notion held by brain dead neoliberals that the people engaging in "peer-to-peer" transactions are doing it for lifestyle reasons, and not economic insecurity.
NazBols and Post-Left.
Good tier: B
Meh tier: G
Useless tier: A, E
Ivory-tower snowflake tier: C, D, F, H
Kill it with fire tier: I
how? doesn't it take its approach from anarchism and leftcomm?
The Dark Enlightenment
Third Worldism isn't leftist. It doesn't even have its origins in Maoism like Jason Unroo likes to claim, but in the anti-Marxist writings of Mirsaid Soltangaliyev (he claimed only Muslims and non-whites were able to be "true" socialists and proposed the USSR create a pan-Turkic state stretching from eastern Europe to central Asia).
I was talking about Communization
Okay. Then yes, you'd be right.
Isn't Communization what godemperor Bookchin advocated?
I thought that too, hence why I'm confused at its inclusion
It's hard to chose between Third Worldism and National Bolshevikism in terms of worst school of thought to come out of leftism in the past 40 years
I'm going to take a wild guess and say, OP is a Leninist.
third-worldism
H
Bob Black(even thought he isn't left)
They are all the worst.
Bookchin was communialism
Everything but F and I and even F can be derpy some days.
From worst to least bad:
I > F > A > E > H > D > B > C
Don't know enough about G to say
Who would you consider a derpy TWist as opposed to a non-derpy one?
Aren't B and C essentially the same thing?
I
does unruhe count as a left-wing theorist? he wrote a couple books
A, aside from it's tendency to stray from truly revolutionary intent, is relatively unoffensive.
B I'm not terribly familiar with
C I actually like a great deal and is an excellent bridge between many ideological leanings across the left.
D is, while the actual interpretation may vary, the only way I believe Marxism as an ideology will survive and thrive moving into the 21st century.
E is meant with good intent, but is due to falling for market fetishism due to unexamined ideological baggage. Certainly nothing to unambiguously hate over.
F has a point about how workers in the third world ultimately suffer a more direct and brutal form of exploitation under capitalism, but falls apart in its portrayal of first world workers as active and intentional oppressors as a consequence of the society to which they were born. If it's the former without the latter, than it's fine.
G is rather broad, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at when referring to it.
H offers some excellent critiques on trends in the anarchist movement and directly addresses the continued problem of many associations with anarchism and the "broader left" being more of a liability to the former group than an asset. That being said, there's way to much philandering with ancaps among some circles and Bob Black is shit.
I is unequivocally shit and heartily earns my nomination for "worst modern school of """"leftist"""" thought."
Sure.
Liberal Democrat feminism and nonsense anti feminism, while both haven't read a god damn thing about it, as internet phenomenon in the last 4 years, have made everything offensive to one group or another and I think this takes the cake of shit that must end
Before you get offended at me, I'm practically in agreement with you about it
"Post-Marxism" usually refers to theorists like Laclau and Mouffe, Althusser-influenced types who have completely given up on the proletarian subject but who remain committed to some interpretation of Marxist thought.
Ellen Meiskins Wood (RIP) did a great critique of them.
Retreat From Class was the name of her book FYI.
dear god we on the left really have to make our terminology better
communism, communisation, communalism, reeeeeeeeee
That existed a lot longer than 40 years ago
and either J/Maotism/'socialism' with Chinese characteristics or I/Nazbol, which looks like it's nazishit with a coat of Stalin aesthetics paint. am i missing something? is there more to Nazbol than that?
I'm using the term to refer to the trend of the past five years with things like coops, P2P-type stuff.
Everyone on Holla Forums upset with the wave of tumblr idpol NEEDS to read her book.
Khmer Rouge and Tamil Tigers derped. Sankara and Castro are based. Chavez is somewhere in between.
Do people still call it that? I think for all intents and purposes it's been subsumed by the alt-right
The difference between material vs. spiritual racialism.
My copy is apparently too big for you Holla Forums but it can be downloaded here:
This one (my introduction to her work, with parts covering similar themes) - should be under the limit,
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theyre all shit.
Furthermore i think bob black should be hung
Nah, the "dark enlightenment" was a pretty broad umbrella, covering everything from libertarian goons, confused tradcaths to HBDers with azn waifus
Because he's a snitch, or because he's a legitimately bad writer?
all of the above
By far "I" is the worst. Next!
Would you count Dugin as the worst theorist?
What the fuck is a sharing economy?
quick search on wikipedia
What in the fuck how is this even remotely close to "sharing"?
So you saw how it's mostly shit like Uber, P2P. bitcoin, and other bullshit, right?
I go back and forth on whether Nick Land is the worst or right about everything
He's absolutely based. Pic related is why people here don't like him.
What year is this?
Nice try Holla Forums
Well Land would say that he and Dugin agree on a lot of descriptive analysis but they are on opposite sides. Land stands with the Atlanticists and capital, which might be expected of a WASP. Dugin explicitly talks about how WASPs have pushed liberalism using America. I agree….in a way we WASPs are the real Jews.
t. american larping liberal
You're doing it wrong
do you read his xenosystems blog or his outsideness twitter account?
Hmmmm……
No, you're just a baby that can't read views that are too triggering to your own predetermined worldview. So the extrapolation to American liberal who happens to spout some leftist rhetoric on imageboards tends to be fairly accurate. You're some form of irrelevant trash in any case.
Nice liberalism, faggot
Left Communism
D, F, H, and I all abandon class struggle in favor of nationalism or just plain nihilism.
Probably LoliCom
Can we all just agree that Bob Black is the worst thing to happen in the left in 40 years?
He seriously deserves to be hung for cooperating with the FBI and police against fellow leftists whenever they inconvenience him.
lmao
BookchinCult pls go.
what's your fetish with humanism? it's literally bourgeois cancer.
Stop acting like you know what you are talking about or that you can group together widely disagreeing people under one banned because they were at one point of their lives influenced by an author. Wood's book even sells on Verso, one of the most prominent "Althusserian-influenced type" publisher house today.
shame tbh
furthrmore i think bob black should be hung.
pls go
their's nothing wrong with hanging a rat.
Source?
I liked Abolition of Work tbh.
Nice Fascist logic.
He ratted out some neighbors of his for making meth, I believe.
E and I because they're how "an"-caps and Nazis can weasel their way into and eventually infiltrate the left.
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Nice sectarianism m8. Besides, the left has already been infiltrated by far worse and they're now what people think of when you mention leftism.
Proudhon's mutualism is hardly comparable to the "an"-caps and C4SS numbskulls of today. Proudhon didn't even care so much about muh free(d) market but about ethics. His writings are mostly littered with Kantian crap.
He ratted out a former associate/comrade over a personal dispute. Let me say that again, a supposed anarchist used the police to go and arrest someone he didn't like by ratting to the police about what that person, (this of course being Jim Hogshire, another author) did in their free time. If he is willing to put aside everything he believes in simply to fuck some else over by ratting to the fucking pigs because of a stupid personal matter, then fuck him and fuck his work.
furthermore i think bob black should be hung.
I understand your anger but advocating capital punishment makes you no better than a Stalinist.
Its not capital punishment if its a lych mob :^)
furthermore i think bob black should be hung.
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This is an "an"-cap everybody.
Notice: his complete lack of charisma, mis-appropriation of anarcho-communist Voltairine de Cleyre, and otherwise disgusting face.
Friendly reminder marxists cannot point out the differencemcommodity exchange and capital accumulation
Fuck off faggot, at least inform yourself what kind of person Hogshire was
WTF my anarkiddie flag is gone!!
Murray Bookchin FANS are the literal worst. Not Bookchin himself, but his fucking fans.
Its clearly accelarationism and NazBallZ.
I think the basis of Eurocommunism is pretty ok, forging small nations into one nation that has a sub-continet under controll, while sharing the same currency seems preddy guddd.
The current state of the EU however… look for yourself.
Sharing Economy because it's capitalism
Nazbol because duh
"Sharing Economy" is the neo-Liberalism of the Information Age. Not sure what it's doing in that list.
Who is this autist and why is he doing a two-hour sperge talk on my anarcho-waifu Voltai?
Truly an infantile disorder
All of them are equally horrible. I, however, am quite sympathetic with some post-left anarchist critiques of leftism in general, despite me being a market socialist.
third worlders or nazbols tbh
Everything
Podemos is post-marxist and winning power. u wot m8
Post-Marxism refers to people like Laclau and Mouffe.
I know that. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
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A and E.