Wildstars 'Hardcore' raiders cheat en masse to complete grindy as fuck post leveling progression system instantly...

Wildstars 'Hardcore' raiders cheat en masse to complete grindy as fuck post leveling progression system instantly, get banned, Carbine realises they just banned 74% of its worldwide raiding community

Top laffs all around. The sjw ghost town gets ghostier

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I love how people used wildstars "attunement" as an excuse to shit on normal attunements.

It was fucking korean tier and not story driven or interesting in the least.

I guess the permaban is the true hardcore tier attunement now :^)

I require a source on this.

high energy kek

low energy bait

Top quality bait, thinking my post was bait

It was bait because the sentence is not correct and because it has nothing to do with videogames, fucking smartass.

Oh now he changed IDs.

How about a source, homo?

This was in fucking 2014.

XIV is the kind of boring grinds

king I mean. Fuck

reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/64tvsq/for_all_the_banned/
I guess they finally started banning shit again suddenly.

One way to kill the game.

The Primal shit is absolutely retarded, its just a post level cap stat increase that is a long ass grind of shit you already played the life out of. I can't blame anyone who stopped playing because of it, it complete fucked the balance (shit even applies to raids)

I really liked Wildstar but Carbine just couldn't do it, they tried way to hard in all the wrong places.

Carbine aren't even SJWs anymore, they got tricked, people left their game even though they reinstated the stuff they had removed and now they're forever fucked.

I feel sorry for them, they might've not made the right decision on the moment, but they don't deserve this.

The fact that people STILL play Wildstar is the real news right fucking here.

stockholm syndrome. mmo champion is fascinating for singular persons that shill dead games like 'Ministabber' for Wildstar and 'Slipmat' for Rift. Its a joy to watch them fail to shill and get shit on every single day.

I still have a friend who is waiting for 'hard mode raids' or something to get back into the game; I don't have the heart to tell him the game subsists solely on people standing around in their cash-shop decorated virtual houses all day.

Am I supposed to know what this is?

what site is this? is this a reputable gaming site or official forums of the game?

Sexy Robutts.

I'll be the judge of that. Post em.

Bane?

Loved the combat shitty bugs everywhere thou.
class concepts were amazing
ranged dmg dealer or range shooting tank. can't think of any other game who has a range tank
esper who can heal/dmg
Rouge tank or dps some other games do this but rarely or got rid of them

of course i picked the slutty bunny people and as a psyhic boy was that a fucking mistake consdiering the esper had literally everything wrong it stuns that wouldn't land heals that were subpar dmg that was shit when you needed to move. of course the first fix/bug patch also made them easily the stronger next to the spellslinger who actually needed a expensive and rare thing to make or break their dps that was fun.
world pvp was nice the first update fighting over the phoenix was amazing but the game quickily died after that as people were leaving in droves near the end of the second month.

I'll check those, but I don't have any of the gifs on me. Sorry, but I am sure it is only a matter of time before someone posts them.

Why would you ever want to play this game in the first place? It had terminal irony poisoning from day one.

cause not many mmos do future space stuff it had its problems but it was pretty fun. they were just extremely slow responding to said problems as well as the bot problem was getting out of hand

The rock people aren't bad, too.

Their enthusiasm for the system they built with videos had more personality than the game that actually came out. Kind of reminds of that other MMO that people forget that was about the occult and conspiracy and mostly known for the cgi videos than the game itself. I'm surprised that people still play wildstar.

The bat girls were super cute to. It's such a shame that developers have no idea how you make an mmo anymore.

you stupid heck

Tragic what happened to it. The game itself was really good, but devs were slow to respond to issues. Aside from playerbase, Wildstar is probably the best F2P MMO around at the moment.

I wish they made a cartoon using those ASSets

No sympathy whatsoever for anyone who gives the finger to their actual audience to pander to tumblrite cunts who don't even play games. They dug this hole they're in currently, they have no one to blame but themselves.

The porn is the only good thing to come out of this game and even that is mostly low effort.

I'm not even a cruel or unforgiving person by nature, but I totally agree with you. If you walk off a cliff, don't try to argue with the ground the result isn't fair. If you make your bed, you must take a shit in it.

This was before it was this bad.
They couldn't have known.

Stop being such a fucking faggot OP.

Feminist have never bought video games. Social justice did not make the video games industry what it is. You are a fucking idiot if you honestly feel sorry for people who make garbage games which don't sell.

Who the fuck suddenly stops being anti-white traitor? You don't just go and sell your identity for shekels. I don't feel sorry at all but I guess I'm slightly happy for them if they have given up their insanity now.

Dude that happens like all the fucking time are you shitting me?

I'm a ffxiv fanboy and I was worried about stormblood maybe sucking, but now it doesn't seem like it matters if its shit because all the competition are shitting the bed of their own volition nowadays.

who got the get?

Wait, Wildstar hasn't been shut down yet?

I forgot it even exists.

Post more of that shortstack qt

"You don't just go and sell your identity for shekels, you sell it for identity politics."

False, they do it for the shekels. Always.
They just think Diversity and Feminism is a good marketing ploy this time because "muh 49% gamers are women", "muh untapped market", "muh good PR means good sales"
Anyone that thinks these companies actually care about the Identity Politics is a fool and bought their bullshit as much as feminists themselves.

The guy that writes the story? Sure, he may believe it. The guy drawing the armor or balancing the weapons? Yeah, he even has a Tumblr.
But the guy that hires these fruitcakes, the guy that does accounting for their salary and the entire board of directors? They couldn't give two shits about any of this, only projected profit matters to them.

Why's capitalism so bad?

well, they are fucking blind from the beginning.
anyone with half a brain would look at that shit and see were it would end.

Because it offers no safety for anyone whatsoever except for the one you can buy yourself. And even then you're still dependent on the seller.

Steam is pretty much the culmination of Capitalism when it comes to Videogames. It provides the best service compared to the alternatives and is so popular that pretty much every game is released there. Any dev that wants to see a single dollar from his work either sells it on Steam or says goodbye to a lot of easy profit, and any player that wants something new can either scrounge for countless forums of dubious quality or simply browse Steam.

And now, you get the shit flood that is Greenlight with games that have no quality control on them, but it doesn't matter because Steam always get's it's 30% from every sale and the burden ends up being on you. Or that the forums and critics there can be controlled by anyone paying enough money, as is the marketing itself (not to mention the logical favoritism to the biggest studious and AAA games because it's more likely to give better return for Steam)

Does Steam make a pretty penny out of nil competition and 30% in every sale? Yep.
Does every studio make a decent profit out of 70% in every sale and easy acess to publishing their crap? Yep.
Does the player get the absolute best deals and services he could possibly get buying from Steam? Depends entirely on how charitable Steam and the Dev want to be. Because otherwise, you're entirely at their mercy.

Same goes for Kickstarter, Early Acess and Patreon. All Capitalistic systems that dump the burden of financial support on the customer in exchange for something you'll only get if the Dev\Publisher feels like it.

Capitalism has a place in the world and is a decent system but people are too stupid to work with it and too many folks know that and choose to profit from naive fucks than from good products.


Boards of Directors don't play videogames, they know nothing about them or the crowd that supports them. They go by what the PR guy says and what the Marketing faggot projects and they fire them when they fail to meet expectations. Problem is, it's a very slow process that can take years, depending on how well those incompetent fucks can weave their story and bullshit their way into renewing their contract.

You think the whole "Gamers are mysognistic!" was about IDpolitics? Just those slimy fucks crafting an excuse for why their incompetence cost them profits. It's not their fault they are marketing to the wrong crowd, you see? It's these damn goober goobers that are preventing people from buying those games! Give us 6 more months and more money for better advertizing, I'll talk with a guy I know to ban them from these forums.

It was the community manager that was the only SJW on the team. She literally lied to the devs saying that an overwhelming majority of the playerbase wanted boob sliders removed. (It obviously wasn't) Devs had no clue and were busy tuning up the beta release so they didn't bother arguing. Very soon afterwards the SJW bitch was fired and the devs added more body types to the character customization but this time with options for even BIGGER tits and asses than before.

Can't really blame the devs when they were lied to and even had the cancer cut out at an early stage.

Hmm, I agree. We should all go back to communism. Clearly it can work this time

So she forged some paper? Or showed some rigged polls? Even a 80 IQ nigger knows sex sells, do people not do market research anymore? Do people blindly believe whatever someone says about something as important as your product?

user, please

I dont even know where the name "attunement" came from. I mean having to unlock access to a dungeon or someshit like that isn't exactly a new concept, I highly doubt WoW was the first to do that shit.

there's a quest in WoW that literally calls it an attunement, and like everything Blizzard ever did retards who play nothing but their games think Blizzard came up with the concept.

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As i said, they are fucking blind, they need other people to "see" for them.

Yes, if that's their job.

That's how the SJW cancer works. They slip into a position of importance, of feedback. Then they corrupt the message into what they want.
Look at Mighty No 9. Their community manager managed to royally fuck the game's development – And then cringe royally when you discover that Azure Striker Gunvolt was made by the same team ,sans voice actors and localizers.

It's not fucking fair to people that just wanted to enjoy a sci-fi MMO that wanted to give WoW a run for it's money. The people that saw through the ruse told Carbine not to listen to them and they were silenced for it. Carbine caved in and it's been a ball of shit rolling slowly down a shit covered hill ever since.

Pretty sure that whole thing was just conman using the CM as a scapegoat while siphoning the KS money and doing nothing with it

I assure you that he used every single penny he got, it just wasn't on the game development.

I looked it up and it was literally "do all of our content again, and get X rating this time". They actually removed attunement entirely a year or two ago and it's now just a soloable questline.

what, The Secret World?
yeah, they're relaunching that as F2P in a few months.
Unless you mean Hellgate which is entirely possible

oh ho ho, I actually looked at this shit and it's hilarious.
they banned people for duping cash by using the PTR, because… wait for it… if you obtained the cash shop currency on the Test Realm, it fucking got attached to your live account. What fucking retardation of a system that PTR changes affect a live account.

RIP

Carbine should consider it a learning experience.

FUCKING LOL

Do you realize how unrealistic not having female robots or at least robotic female forms would be

Is this a enlightened progressive homosexual faction? Its the only way I can see this happening.

funny that you mention that considering its progressive faggots shoehorning female robots everywhere

What is wrong with female robots?

And it's about time people started getting treated like the fucking whores they are for it.


Didn't they ban dissenting voices from the forums all for not being PC? To be honest I legitimately thought this game shut down over a year ago.


Capitalism is control of the market through capital goods. It's right there in the linguistic definition of the word.

Ism: a distinctive practice, system, or philosophy, typically a political ideology or an artistic movement.

Capital: Capital refers to financial assets: IE monetary value.

Capitalism is defined more specifically as control of the market VIA capital goods. Any system that centralizes the control of the market is a form of extreme Capitalism. Communism which heavily centralizes control of the market is a form of extreme capitalism.

Learn the difference between Capitalism: an economic system whereby things have monetary worth, Capital theory, Keynsianism, corporatism, market dynamics, and perhaps read up on the Austrian school of Economics, before spouting that marxist dribble.

Yes. Anyone that spoke up about not wanting the PC crap in the game got forum banned for their trouble.

You actually believe this, don't you?

This right here made me actually start to download this game. Please tell me I can join an ERP server and be a roboslut.

I'm shocked that the game's not dead yet.

What did he use it on then, cocaine and hookers?

He used it all trying to make it a giant, multi-media franchise before the initial game was even released.

He also probably used it all on making those ports of MN9.

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oh shit!
did you just say sexy Robutts?

The fuck is up with that waist? That's not sexy.

its still alive?

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Cheating in an online game?!

What will they come up with next I wonder.

What a monster. Robots have to be respected, thin waist or not.

Steam was the first. Gabe had a brilliant vision.

And now everyone is locked in. People have hundreds of games in the Steam library that they can't move to a different service. There will never be any competition for Steam unless Valve REALLY fucks up.

Ugly robots should be turned into scrap.

They should be glad to be free of such a shitty game.

Why turn 'em into scrap if you can modify them to be not ugly?

**There's no modifying this thing
to be not ugly. At least you can use the scrap to build a better robot.**

I just want a Sci-Fi RPG that lets me make cool custom characters.

I don't remember Wildstar having SJW'ism. It had thicc, oppai lolis.

who cares about the waist check out that metal ASS and TITTIES!

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The sjw came later. Also you may be thinking of tera.

I liked wildstar.
I didn't progress much into the game tho since it was a bit boring.

I first tried Wildstar when it went f2p. Everything in the game is shit except the Chua.
I wasn't able to stand more than 8 level ups

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user, this argument might have had some merit to it years ago when people were still new to this stuff, but have you not been paying attention to whats been going on lately?
actually think about what youre saying instead of just parroting the same thing as before without even remembering why. well all have better threads for it

You know there's at least one nice thing to be said about Wildstar
At least it's not Guild Wars 2

IIRC, they reduced the boob/ass size due to outcry. but quietly put them back.
Other than that, live streams & clips of the devs made them seem like nice people and a real labor of love. No neon hair or attitude problems.

The last few years have proved it without a doubt though, DoAx3 sold well and senran kagura keeps doing well as well.

despite that, people responsible for selling video games and other sources of entertainment continue to choose to believe otherwise

I specifically said that Capitalism has it's place in the world, but it also has it's flaws, which are being exploited for fishy business practices. Communism is not a better alternative but just because Capitalism is currently the "least worse" alternative doesn't mean it's perfect or even good.


And what do you call Digital Distribution if not control over the capital goods? Steam controls digital sales for videogames since it's the biggest digital retailer by which everyone else measures up to and conforms by. It's essentially a proto-monopoly and every alternative either has a big company behind it to support it (EA and Origin, CD Project and GoG) or it goes down (Desura)
This is no different than a pharmaceutic company owning 80% of pharmacies in a country and controlling what meds are sold and at what price, dictating what every other pharmacy can and can't do and what the med labs can produce or not.

You can't honestly say this with a straight face, especially overlooking so much who controls the market (state vs individual) and the goals of them (stability and power for the nation vs personal wealth)


I like hearing Capitalist blind followers that never see anything wrong with that system but when presented with a mega corporation that has a stranglehold in the market they achieved with Capitalism, suddendly their political ideology is not there because "it's not really capitalism".

Unless you are implying that monopolies are exclusive to communism and capitalism never sees and doesn't even benefit from them, at which point you're just self-diagnosing yourself with brain damage.

It is in every interest of a private company to reduce competition in order to force everyone to use their services since everyone using someone else is a lost sale.
That's why Ubisoft has a stickler for their games always using their own shitty launcher, sometimes even trying to pull exclusives (and failing because Steam doesn't budge and they need them for the PC crowd).
That's why there's console exclusives in the first place and that's why Steam sometimes has sales and discounts, to make sure everyone always goes back to them.

I quit wildstar pretty early. What did they do to appease tumblr?

See

How much faggot dick do you suck everyday? Why are you even here?

There was some user once that, in one of these threads, actually detailed how the hierarchy inside those companies works, who reports to whom and how long it takes for news to travel up a step.
According to him, it can take up to a whole year before the higher-ups actually learn why something is failing (and stock holders will know it even later) since a lot of information is not passed at all to avoid blame going down the hierarchy to someone specific and to buy time. There's also some margin for error and even if something doesn't succeed now, they don't outright start firing people, they just ask for a new plan where doubling down because "the previous efforts were not enough" is perfectly valid once or twice.

For instance, don't count on seeing many more Bioware titles now. Andromeda was their last chance for EA who were already quite pissed at them behind the scenes. They had quite a massive profit loss from previous games and this one had to be a success (which it wasn't) to cover for that. It's just that for EA Dragon Age Inquisition actually looked like a decent game as did Dragon Age 2, not to mention them being part of a franchise that people loved (Dragon Age Origins) so they didn't understood why they failed and chose not to fire people over it. Same thing happened with Dead Space.

But once the excuses of "sexist gamers" don't stick around anymore, you either present good profit to justify your job or you're out, which is likely why Andromeda isn't actually as preachy about SJW crap as their previous titles or why it tried to be a better TPS shooter than ME1,2 and 3, especially with "open world".
Basically, it was Bioware actually trying to make a game instead of propaganda since their jobs were literally on the line and ence it failed spectacularly because videogames is not something they know how to make.

Shiet

You know what corporations need? Internal anonymous imageboards. Or some kind of anonymous communication system, anyway. It's like "The Emperor's New Clothes", except there's no way for them to have a little kid point out that the guy's naked. Corporations are losing huge sums of money in massive public blunders because there's no way for employees to speak anonymously.

I thought the hack was suppose to get rid of your types, who the fuck told you the site came back?

Oh goddammit.

That actually seems more productive than whatever they are doing now.

it would have to be anonymous, but 'whistleblowing' is so condemned a thing you would see witch hunts crop up too

You'd just get everyone tripfagging and suits covertly trying to de-anonymize posters.

People still play this shit?

I think the whole having a tranny on board a colony ship and Asari's preferred pronouns isn't preaching as much as their other games then I don't know what is.

Nevermind that they were quick to fix the tranny by having him not tell you his whole backstory when you asked it for his name and publicly apologized for it in their twatter

user, you can't fucking say that. You to have suck cocks and worship captialism or else you are a communist, don't you know that? Now, stop that independant thought and continue sucking dick.

i still do casually

Inquisition was a straight up gay adventure through fag land and ME3 was "diversity will save us".
I'm not saying they toned the story down, rather they actually tried to put some more focus on the gameplay this time instead of treating it like the cutscenes of the actual game.
There's far more variety in skills, weapons and movement for combat, some platforming and other tidbits like melee weapons (remenber the mods in the first one to increase melee damage?). Most of it doesn't work very well or at all because they are that dumb, but you can tell they tried.
It's just that there's no participation trophy.


*slurps you*

But that is true, in a scifi story

making friends is always great in a video game. you wouldnt call paper mario a game about diversity but how many "enemies" do you recruit?

Where have you been for the last five years? Phantasy Star Online 2 set an industry standard for its character creator and variety of dress up. There's almost nothing you can't do with PSO2's customization. I've seen everything from generic anime lolis to people who turned their character into a vic viper. Just be aware that for the vast majority of westerners, the fun ends there.

I participated in the closed beta test with a few other guilds in order to test the raid encounters. Very hush-hush, talked to the raid designers on a nightly basis about the encounters, the classes, the game and the company in general. The feeling I got from the conversations were that the people in charge of dungeons, raids and housing were extremely competent but the people in charge of marketing and PR were blithering idiots.


The 40 man raid attunement on released was a joke. It was a complete logistical nightmare to go from a 20 man raid in the first tier of content to a 40 man raid in the second tier of content, but the attunement itself was retarded. You had to run around and camp damage sponge world bosses and you had to farm missions and dungeons for hours on end to get enough tokens to attune yourself. Thing is, you needed to farm those dungeons to attune yourself and be geared enough for the 20 man raid. So after you were all geared up from the 20 man raid, you were sent back to do what amounted to trivial content to attune yourself to the 40 man raid. If my memory is correct, it was about 50-70 hours of non-stop dungeon grinding to get enough tokens for 5 players.

Wildstar's dungeons were great, especially hard mode silver/gold runs, but everything else about the game was so fucking bad.

Seems about right.

tends to work out alright until children are taught reasons to hate

Nah, human supremacy was the way to go even in ME3. Everyone else fucked around and made shit worse usually.

Children don't need reasons, humans are naturally tribalistic and prefer people that look and act like they do. Even babies prefer dolls with the same skin color as them.

Here we go

Imageboards at work would certainly be an interesting event.

"OK who uploaded my dropbox family photos to workchan/baphomet!"

i wouldnt say that liking something less than an ideal preference is the same as hating

Nah but when there's shortages or hard times in general, people tend to group with their own kind and become distrusting or hostile towards outsiders. It's part of how humans are so successful, we are good at teamwork and forming groups, and part of that is knowing who is and isn't a part of your group.

You're the best reason to hate I've ever seen on this board.

dont say that you might cause me to doubt myself

It made "sense" for wow, since you had to get attuned to the portal to molten core to actually enter it. It's just that wow had so much influence on the genre that it stuck for everything, even when it doesn't make sense.

>>>/cia/

>>>/bane/

I want to cum in Darjeeling's tea.

no you didn't. the quest was a shortcut.

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Secret World, aside from mediocre combat, is quite good tho. Granted I never reached endgame, but I binged it during the 7 day trial and had a good time overall. Tickled my /x/ side quite nicely, and the New England map was a flawless representation of a dozen different Maine towns that I've been to.

They went b2p, I didn't know they were planning to go f2p with the relaunch. Since combat is getting a rework now that Funicom is rolling in dosh thanks to Conan: Exiles, I'll probably pick it back up and stick with it for a while.

>tfw you will never be an illuminati mage with a shotgun

I dunno what world yall live in, but the vast, vast majority of people who play games, mmos even, don't give a single fuck about removed body sliders.

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user how dare you be centrist, you know we all have to be retard extreme here and blindly follow eachother like sheep.

Too bad the only important part is garbage then.

good. maybe it will become mainstream enough that people on Holla Forums will stop talking like retards

Considering their shitty attunement requirements, I can't say I blame them.

This is circa-2005 skinner box shit, rife with artificial gating of their content, all of which requires full raid teams. Which really means dickall when we're in 2017, games have long since evolved past this model, and WildStar is a fucking ghost town.


Why would you show pity for them? They brought this shit on themselves.

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I can say with all honesty and shame that this attunement is much worse than anything in any MMO from 2005. It's EQ or Lineage tier.

It's funny that a few things along the years have lost a lot of their original meaning.
XP stopped being "what you learned and how you've hardened in this world" and instead became a currency to upgrade your character, not unlike consuming the soul of your enemies but in a cartoonish way.

I'm sure Attunement had some meaning at first, perhaps resonating your soul with an enchantment that allowed you to see hidden places or interact with special machinery. Perhaps it's "mantling" in non-TES games.
But now it's "do these things so you don't finish all the content we prepared for you in 3 days".

you mean like getting the shit kicked out of them by the pack of niggers in their class? and being called racist by that administration rather than getting help. or latter when they have to work with the apes, and they refuse to do anymore than the bare minimum to get fired/ hoping to get fired so they can go back to unemployment. that you know about because they cant keep their welfare whore lips shut. or when your dog gets poisoned by the new minority Muslims that obongo had imported to your neighborhood after you managed to get away from the rest of the fucking diversity.

ignore this

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seriously, they were completely redundant.

and this is different from getting the shit kicked out of you by jocks and getting suspended by the school because zero tolerance how? sounds like you're just a racist because you always have people who congregate together and gang up on others and it just so happened a group of black people didnt like your nazi memorabilia

You just couldn't resist the urge to defend niggers and out yourself, could you lefty?

Fuck off nigger

Spout more shit that you're clueless about.

Go be a nigger somewhere else.

From what I can tell they asked people to test some kind of new currency in their Public Test Realm and some people found out an exploit to give them infinite of it so they just banned everyone who ever tested it after they asked everyone to test it.

run some dungeons you would have to run otherwise for pre-bis


literally just 1 dungeon run that takes less than 5 minutes


Barely takes a few dungeon runs and you run them anyways for pre-bis


You mean the quest line that just has you do every tbc dungeon once exactly like I said?


What arcatraz questline? You mean doing like 3 dungeons to get the key or whatever?

Literally every WoW attunement doesn't take more than an hour or two of running a basic normal mode dungeon.

I've done all of these attunements in the last few months so I'm not sure what the fuck you're remembering but I can assure you they don't take very much time at all.

Fuck off Tewi

Your making the Klan look bad you mewling coward.

Nigger

That is worse than the fucking Vault keys from Warframe, last time I played. I think that was when you had to grind vaults for keys to corrupted vaults, and in order to get vault keys you had to grind with the best method being a rather boring mission type.

Fuck off with your identity politics, you dumb socialist.

Fuck off with your hurt feelings too, tumblr.

What a coincidence that these three anons just popped up

Hover your mouse over Holla Forums and click on the board to the right.

says the nigger who definitely didnt come in the thread to talk about the game

Since you conveniently skipped BT, I'll give you the list of what was actually required to enter:

Wow! A whole 10 quests?


Both of which you do anyways as a natural progression into the raid. Hence the attunements being redundant because you do all of the content regardless.


I'm not sure how you manage to get to 70 without doing all of the CE quests. 6 runs is literally nothing.

Everything else you listed you just finish passively. The HC rep grind is nothing and you get revered with everything from just questing and doing 5 or 6 dungeon clears.

All you've done is prove my point. Attunements are redundant and their only purpose in vanilla/tbc is to direct you towards content before big flashy arrows and quest helpers were integrated into the default UI.

It's a mystery isn't it. In any case I doubt it will hurt anything, this thread was dying anyways.

You're functionally retarded.

You're acting like clearing all this shit is a given. Nigger I know you didn't play actual TBC and no doubt the shitty server you played on had half baked mechanics but the majority of raiding guilds didn't see the ends of TK or SSC, let alone clear them. I'm not even going to get into how attunement affected guild recruitment because clearly you've no idea at all how the game actually was back then.

lmfao