I am going to vote for the AFD in the upcoming German election

I am going to vote for the AFD in the upcoming German election.

Convince me to not do that.

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no

Why?
t. not kraut

Tell us why you'll vote and we'll tell you why not.

mostly because I am an accelerationist and secondly, because I think more muslims and foreigners are going to make socialism in Germany impossible permanently

Why? You'll advance the dialectic one way or ther other, so do as you please.

And how is the AFD going to make socialism is Germany more possible?

you realize they will do what Trump and the Tories in Britain did and promise you the third Reich but deliver you yet another round of the same neoliberalism

I really don't like racism and imo the policy of letting in refugees and guest worker programs made racism not only possible, but added fule to the fire.

The question is not what does the AFD do for socialism. The question is which party is going to prevent conditions, which will forever and permanently make socialism impossible and the AFD is the only one going in the right direction.

This

New Labour also didnt even attempt to meet any of their immigration promises.

AfD are retards want to do the following:

The only thing good they want is to leave the EU and there are parties that don't have insane, climate change denying Nazis in them who want that.

I was asking why we should convince you otherwise.
I don't really see much of a problem with voting AfD. Insofar as I know all kraut parties are shit and I wouldn't bother voting at all.

Germany can run a great car or engineering company but they are fucking incompetent at running a government.

I dont get it. How come there be such a big difference?

No, they don't, lmao. That is not in their program. I bet you aren't even German.

Cool. I am pretty set out to vote for them.

because one is the free market and the other is a system of coercion

bureaucrats are not subject to the usual incentives, which produce good work

t. libertarian (hate me, kick me, lick me)

The other parties are already accepting the AfD's proposals concerning a Canadian style immigration system.

Why not vote for the other parties that don't favor implementing a flat tax? The AfD doesn't care about immigration all that much actually. For. them it's just a vehicle. to implement their last century policies.

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And here is their climate change denial:

scienceblogs.de/plazeboalarm/index.php/kopf-tisch-die-afd-ist-eine-klimawandel-leugner-partei/

They don't want to leave, they only want to reform it.

kys

But the influx of cheap labor serves the right wing and capitalism.

Instead, if you not only accept refugees, but force those that employ them to do so with the same obligation they'd have to the natives, you cripple the corporations and so on.

Oooooh! Yes! The "free" market! The same "free" market that uses the government to ensure it's "freedom" and it's continuation. Or would the Banks survive, was it not for the State?

Would you like to know more about how the state is the last fortress of Capitalism and the "Free" market is a lie?

Do you know how old news that is? They have been saying that for years!
Hell, I remember being a kid, when I used to watch Phoenix daily, Merkel mentioning canadian style immigration as a good idea.
That was 8 years ago.

Still, I rather have the possibility of socialism, then it being permanently impossible.

I think he is an idiot or trolling, user. Possibly both.

I think a lot of that is imagining on your part. It must feel good to have fascists as enemies. Really the AFD are just the CDU from a few years ago and the only party, which can change something in regards to immigration.

I frankly don't see any argument that will overpower my concern for voting for them.

No, you will cripple the native population, because the corps are in control of the state and will socialize the cost it takes to educate them to at least try to get them close to an educationary level fo the natives.

You can't outsmart the corps in that regard.

State capitalism =/= capitalism/free market

I hope you know that libertarians are against banks.

Well put.

The German government needs to leave private companies alone and let them get in with things.

jawohl to that, my friend :)

A) State Capitalism was the USSR. This IS the "Free Market".
B) Sure. Let Capitalism have a crisis without a State and a central Bank, and tell me more about how it won't collapse.

R O A D S

I don't even know what you're saying, you're completly incoherent.

vote Die Partei, we can only vote shit

maybe I would have before the afd existed

So, why would that party take the state back from the corps?

that's not my reason to vote for them, remember? :^)

I know the situation is shit.

Nor does the person you are replying to.

damn user, nice

So, you vote them, cause they cannot take the state back?
Cause they will?
And how are you so sure they will?

I voted SYRIZA once. Not much happened.

Have you read anything I said, user?

I always wanted to find someone who voted for SYRIZA so I could laugh in their faces.

thanks for maybe being the spark that lead to the creation of the AFD, user, thank you so much

Why don't you go to Greece then?

Well… If in 2000 the numbers weren't cooked for Greece to enter the eurozone, and 2004 they hadn't spent all the money for the olympics and all the time Greece wasn't borrowing money to buy German Tanks… MAYBE the AFD wouldn't be created..

But then again, it's easier to find a scapegoat than blame Capitalism, right? Like.. I don't know… Refugees???

Goods and services there are too expensive.

Even Germany didnt qualify to join the Eurozone when it joined.

I never told you to go live there!
Just go, ask random people "what did you vote" and laugh.
If they also voted SYRIZA the second time, I'll laugh along with you.

… France and Germany ARE the eurozone.

What are you saying? I am legitemtetly thankful about that, completly unironically.

You may just be the least economically free country in Europe, greekanon.
Blaming capitalism is laughable. It's completly devoid of reality and worst of all: It's typically greek.

youtube.com/watch?v=e403QDhxH_0
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watch this, if you want an outside perspective of the economically authoritarian swamp of greece

you just want to punch a libertarian and kick our heads, user ;_;

Don´t do it you fucking retard. Ive read their party decleration. They are by far the most economicly liberal movement post war germany has seen. They whould introduce libetarianist thought into our society and political discussions. We are still yet to be contaminated by this ideological garbage like most of central europe. besides their attitudes towarts clean energys, they also want to diminish worker and union rights, especially the strikelaws. They dream of replacing the puplic new with a news platform that only tells the "objective truth" so basicly state controlled propaganda by their party. Now some things that will make the anfems mad:
and other shit like that

They are also pro nuclear power and are not exactly critical of fracking. They are often pro TTIP or CETA. One of the only positive things is that they are against SJW-idpol but only because of their idpol. They are toxic shit that whould ruin our society if they where in power or had legislative influence.

or in short: kys OP

Thats what makes it so ironic that the Germans didnt qualify and had to cook their books too.

Isnt that a really really really good thing?

Nihilism is fine too, I guess.>>1231357
Nope. It's not an argument.

Sooo… Capitalism is not working. Got it.

Well, I for one support a Posadist Future!

You realize that I said that I am an accelerationist, right?

Only thing that bothers me if they were to actually restrict any social freedoms like abortions or lgbt related, but I doubt that.

this too, we had the most clean and advanced nuclear power plants and shut them down to import nuclear energy from other people, that can't be a solution, that is just making a stupid rash decision for political browny points

I'm also going to vote AfD and don't consider myself a real socialist/leftist nor a right winger. AMA or try to convince me otherwise.

You're an idiot lolbert, but, whatever let's you sleep at night!
Back in 1936 the doubted they'd kill the jews commies and go to war, too.

I am not a lolbert, user, more of a mutualist, I'd say.

whatever let's you sleep at night!

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If you refer to nuclear fusion, ok that whould be preddy gud but Im not a fan of pumping chemicals into the ground to extrackt fossil gas or Tschernobyl 2.0 so no.

Thats basicly what accelerationism is. So even if you tell me, you are one, Id still try to convince you that your plan is doomed to bring suffering on everyone.

well still, back to my original argument:

Getting annoyed to see people replay who haven't read the first few posts in the thread.

Yea better vote for them to be edgy OP

And this is why you all need Posadism!

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How whould a bounch of foreign people make it impossible to sieze the means of production. And even if they arent actively seized, the price sythem could still fall due to automation.

So the revolution is at hand in the UK as we speak?

But you are OK buying gas and oil off Saudi Arabia? A lot of which is obtained by fracking?
As long as its not in your back yard its all OK right?

What makes you think fusion is less likely to cause a new Chernobyl?
Fusion would be more dangerous if anything.

Think about it. Chernobyl used a reactor design that was very unusual and quite experimental in its day.
Now we know that having a positive thermal coefficient and a negative pressure coefficient in a fission reactor is TOTALLY INSANE.

People have learned a lot of lessons on fission over the past 50 years. Which makes it one of the most safe types of energy.
But when we start to make fusion reactors we will have to learn new lessons all over again. Things might go really badly wrong. We dont know yet.

Heh.

The free market has never existed, and never will exist. The state has always been, and will always be necessary for Capitalisms survival.

Me too. Gott mit uns Freund.

Because Mohammed never seized the means of production so muslims wouldn't participate.

MFW Germans and even fucking Swedes are becoming red pilled as fuck.

Germany obviously used to be based but I didnt even know the swedes had any balls at all.

Didn't you know SocDem leads to Fascism?

because their cultural and racial background is going to make it very unlikely that they are going to advance the cause of socialism and furthermore their presence in the form of ghettos and lower achievements and crime are going to make it more likely for more reactionary thoughts to hold ground in Germany

no, but an important legal barrier may be torn down

I hope after fascism they move to nationalism.

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Nah a posadist whould call his alien friends to save us from the hause to live on their super advanced space station on anouther planet before nuking the house, so a new one cann be build…. you know some day when the radiation is gone.

Oh look its someone who hasnt understood the concept of a tokamak.

aaaaaaaaand the id/pol/ got hold of this thread.

Buf the Germans didn't even want to join the Euro currency and give up the DM and their independent monetary policy.

France blackmailed them into it by making it a condition for recognizing the Reunification.

okay?

I made a few more points than just muh fascism, you seem to ignore them.

You think leftist organising will get easier in a reactionary atmosphere? How retarded are you?

Nobody will fully understand it until they produce a full scale reactor.

Just like before Chernobyl exploded people said that its critics didnt understand the concept of RBMK.

france is an insane stalker with constant need for German attention

you didn't make an argument

Please do and i hope they get elected. Hopefully they will take Germany out of EU and the whole thing crumbles.
I'm fine with that.

So your solution to Muslims not accepting socialism before being educated on it is to just throw them out and you're going to ally yourself with the opposite of what you believe so you can… eventually somehow unelect them and make socialism magically happen? This isn't a very good plan, OP.

I think trying to educate Muslims on socialism would be the path of least resistance here.

Yes, of course. More people are going to become REAL socialists. Not the fake ones that are social democrats.

Unless you are one of them, I fail to see why you think this isn't going to work.

I regret nothing.

Well, they might go straight to it. Not that much difference.

It was always a pol thread.

Yet.

Again, they are soft eurosceptic contrary to UKIP and the FN. They don't want to exit.

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When it comes to money Germans are smart people.

When it comes to immigrants or something they all lose their collective shit. Either gassing them in camps or letting in so many that their country gets taken over.
Its one extreme to the other.

Hmmmmmm. HHHMMMMMMMMMMMM.
HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

kys idiot, corp pawn

Meh. Its good to have right wing opposition in total leftist domination.

but what if I hate Muslims more than I love socialism

Statistically speaking we've seen the opposite, polls show Leavers would vote the same way again whilst Remainers are content with democracy playing out.

You guys love to laugh at supposed Holla Forums cuckold fantasy but you're not better.
Boo hoo the evil fascists are going to introduce the law forcing poor womyn to reproduce!

than you can be my friend

Is that why they had to be bailed out by US twice in a century?

What if she doesn't want to?
What if she can't?

oh I remember you. You Greek fuck. How far up your ass can one person be.
Sorry but the EU will die and there's nothing you can do about it.

Forcing people to have children is retarded. Especially if they don't have the means to financially support them.

Yes. I think its a testament to their abilities that their economy is strong despite meddling from overseas.

stop believing in fake news, it's utterly ridiculous to think that the AFD is going to implement half of what that user said

Do you seriously believe that they will force women to have children? Are you that deluded in your bubble?

kek, that's what i thought. AfD knows that Germany "economic superiority" is based on fucking everyone else on the EU.

I'm am not trying to defend that notion. What I'm saying is that this "law" is just your fantasy. Noone will force anyone to have kids. Not even nazis did that.

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Yes, Alexander Gordon Jahans shall lead us to victory, comrades!

well technically the social dems, greens and Die Linke have majority control of the parilament

he may be technically right

Yes….
So stronk that they cannot even pay war reparations. Twice.

I don't believe they'll do anything other than promoting neoliberalism.
Am not the one who believes them, here.

Our parliament will be

Without the AfD it is clearly dominated by leftists.

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This. This this this.

God gave us Jahans that we might see what men are capable of.

well, I don't want to be an apathic nihilist, user

let me keep my will to live, hold me

Victory soon, Comrade.

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I am telling the truth.

What? You mean the excess €2.6 billion they have? And by educate I meant organize, go and talk to them and teach them about being class-conscious, not educate them through a state-funded system.

Hold yourself!

You're telling your truth.

The first time we asked for way too much and the second time we flattened their whole country so they did struggle to make money.

Im all in favor of any type of nigger being taught to be class conscious IN THEIR OWN SHITHOLE COUNTRY.
Just dont come here and undercut workers here.

I am not play such a high risk game. The downside of losing that bet is making socialism permanently impossible in Germany.

Good to know

Yes lad.

Our thought-leader Alexander Gordon Jahans has been coordinating non-hegemonic decentralised resistancè to oppression via the dispensation of a truly dialectical form of socialism which nonetheless speaks to the common man via multiple mediums of video, oratory, poetry, literature, aphorism, dance, performative deviancè and direct action.

Jahans' complex work envisages capitalism as a structured simulacra of capital rather than merely a staid accumulation. And from this builds a dynamic dialectic of resistance communicated through radical engagement with the posited Super-Other which immanantises the reality of neoliberal hegemony's oppressive corps/e against structures of normative false consciousness.

Join the fight.
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So, Germany is OK not to bay debd, but Greece has too, even if it's too much!

Double standards much?

this

it would be a complete nightmare to transform Germany to a country like the United States, I had multiple relatives visit that country for me and they all said the same thing, It's a first world country and a third world country at once, the ghettos really must have shocked them

I don't want to live in a country, where Germans say that the only reason Turks are doing worse than Germans, is because of some imaginary muh privilege and us abusing them as slave workers to fuel our Wirtschaftswunder.

What do you mean? It had snark and everything. That's how you win arguments. Just like Joss Whedon.

Sorry to ruin it for you, but that the cyberpunk future of neoliberalism, even without niggerz and ghetos.

again, at least that leaves the possibility for socialism

Ive always said that the EU (IE the German taxpayer) easily could and should pay Greeces debts.

But if they do, then Italy and Portugal and Spain will start to borrow money like crazy. Knowing full well that Germans will pay their debts too.

But there is a difference between debt that you legitimately and consensually borrowed. And reparations which is just a figure someone made up to punish you for doing a bad thing. Even though the people that pay the reparations are never the same people who did the bad thing.

politico.eu/article/germany-mulls-scrapping-minimum-wage-for-refugees/

This pleases porky

kek as if the German taxpayer is paying for anything. It's the opposite, german people are living like kings over my interest rates for the debt.

thank a lot for the help! you're such good friends :)

refugees are legally unable to work

they are not allowed to work by law

Mercedes hired a load of Syrians as apprentices so they could pay them much less.

And that also fucks over the kids who were meant to get those apprentice positions to advance their career.

kys, germanophob asshole

hur dur, Germany is the cause of everything bad in other countries, always blame them instead of us

Sein nicht traurig. Bald kracht die EU und dann schauen wir wer lacht.

sei*

Hint:
Debt isn't even real.
It's all made up, to keep capitalism going and cannot be supported anyway.

If Greece goes down, Italy goes down next.
It was never about Greek debt.
It's the system itself that is collapsing.

Oh, and, France pays for the EU too.

Tell me more on what "career they'll have when they install robots.

Well, the US is to blame, but it's not like Germany wasn't living off people borrowing money to buy it's products, or anything…
You know… In order not to raise wages, you offer credit, and basically go watch Wolff.

lol okay… "german"

that's not the fault of any German taxpayer like you blamed earlier

what?

Id be interested to see after all the writedowns and interests and how the EUs credit rating is affected how it all balances out.
But who fucking knows? Not the EU thats for sure.

But the point I was making is that Germany could easily pay those debts and stop the rot in Greece overnight.
This would only cause other countries in the EU to borrow more. Knowing that Germany would pay their debts too.

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But De Linke exists.

Neoliberal

nakedcapitalism.com/2015/11/mathew-d-rose-the-ordeal-of-angela-merkel.html

Neoliberal

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_2010

Neoliberal (see above)

Actual Social Democrats

Neoliberalism with anti Islam characteristics

All I see is rightist dominance but I guess you think
DUDE REFUGEES LMAO
Is enough to make the CDU """"leftist""""

This picture of Timmy Mallet should prove that I am not German. If thats what you are accusing me of being.

Very very soon my country will not be part of this awful mess. I cant wait.

So the German Taxpayer didn't vote? Or does it not matter? Do we not live in "democracy"? Then the Italian Taxpayer isn't to blame either! Yet Italy's debt is to be payed?

First thread. Watch an economic update.

The south in general has a debt problem. It's not about "borrowing more" It's about not being able to pay back.

You have no idea about economics, do you?

Checked

No Nuclear Power is very bad for all of us

Im pretty sure the two are related.
Basic logic tells us if you borrow more then the likelihood of you not being able to pay it back increases.

My thoughts exactly. Having no nuclear power would be terrible.
We would be completely dependent on oil producing nations in the nigger east to keep our lights on.
Its bad enough as it is.

Germany is the cause of the financial crisis in the EU, austerity and statist corporate fascism spreading around europe. they caused two world wars and are a leading force in neoliberalism.

Indeed.

Any country that was dumb enough to join the EU scam deserves to become a poverty nation.

The south ALREADY can't bay debt!
It's the present! Not the future!

Go the other way. Greece goes bankrupt, Italy goes, Spain goes… FRANCE GOES… there goes global economy!

And even if they don't, without wages and so on, where is Germany gonna sell it's cars and tanks and so on?
China?

You have to have demand, to supply.

But then again, it's all about those damn sand niggers and those lazy Mediterraneans, right?

no but if the eu is gone dept is gone i thought.

Better than CDU/CSU, SDP,… I guess
I assume the german communist party is about as terrible as the KPÖ is in Austria

I fucking love Joss Whedon

I never said am against the dissolution of the EU and the end of the world as we know it!

I am a commie. Why wouldn't I want for the final crisis of Capitalism to come?

I also embrace Posadism and the final nuclear war

please let this meme die are ayy waifus allowed under space law?

Why, interspecies relationships are to be encouraged!
As long as both species are sentient, that is.

seriously though, I don't know how long we can keep the war solution to the crisis off

By that metric neither can the USA or Britain or even Germany.
Here in Great Britain the interests on our debt each year is more than the yearly income of the state so the debt grows more and more.

The global economy includes India, Brazil, China, Canada, Australia, the USA. Its not just the eurozone. Germanies two biggest markets for exporting cars are the USA and Great Britain.
But I do completely accept your point that if a few countries stopped buying German cars it would affect their economy hugely.

Greece in my opinion is bankrupt. It sounds like you might be Greek. So you can tell me if the stories we hear about Greek hospitals running out of medication are actually true?

Im not making any judgements about anyone. Im just suggesting the reason why the EU wont bail out Greece because it sends the wrong message to other EU countries that you can borrow recklessly and everything will be fine.

Heres another example. Britain is about to leave the EU. We know the EU will try to give Britain a terrible deal. Simply because they dont want to send the wrong message to other EU countries that if you leave things will go really well.

Greece has some blame here because they should have realised what a terrible idea the EU was and not joined.
Its the system that is flawed here.

pls explain, aren't their arguments completely opposite?
If you look at Spain, Italy and Greece in the 80's and early 90s the first one makes a fuck of a lot more sense.
Is it just the Anti-EU sentiment for the fucks of it?

Are you the OP?

this

this x100

you act as if bourgeois democracy was functional.

At least Switzerland has a nuclear fallout shelter for every citizen.

You made me reply with the false (You)

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Expect proper meritocratic equality.

Immigrated from where?

Austria.

*gurdland*

kek

wat

Guten Tag Herr Hitler

Kurdistan (Turgish part)

Arent you guys experts at dealing with extremist muslims?

Germany is gonna need those skills.

Basically, yeah governments influence capitalism so it's not "true capitalism" but if you tried true capitalism you would be out competed by other countries that actually invest in education and infrastructure and regulation of finance.
And you'd be fucking wrecked by one recession

Yes. This is correct. Know when this happened before? 1920s. Know what happened next? WW2.

Yes. And if GB economy keeps going down due to Brexit, and US economy gets fucked by Trump.. well…

For a couple of years now. But it's getting worse lately.

Anytime now! I mean… Eventually! .. At some point…

Yes. Capitalism.

As of right now the economy hasnt been going down its been rocketing up.

The stock market and the employment rate are both breaking historical records. Britains economy is growing while the EU as a whole is in recession.
Everybody who predicted a downturn has been forced to make an embarrassing U turn.
This week it was the chancellor of the bank of England. The IMF admitted it ages ago.

I dont blame you for your ignorance on this one. In a EU country the media would try their best to avoid telling you how strong the British economy is right now.

I don't know the future, but my guess is this'll happen:
AFD gets in power
Talk shit about getting rid of immigrants
Don't do anything about immigrants
Claim Marxist communist Jewish parties are preventing them from doing anything about the immigrants in right-wrong media circles (which to some extent they will be trying to)
Gain political capital from increasing hatred of immigrants
Privatize education
Put immigrants in ghettos all bunched up so they can form highly disfunctional communities with high unemployment
Destroy financial regulations, ensuring a bubble and future crash
Destroy unions and cut wages, further anger the population
Create a powder-keg of instability and falling living standards
Fascism returns and democracy is suspended indefinitely

So basically Germany is fucked

This thread is proof that the antigermans are right

Trust me millions of people here are pissed off at how slow this is all going. And so are many non EU countries which want to sign a trade deal right away.

Source?

That is what they do voluntarily here in England.

Enjoy that asset bubble freindo

I mean who else can you vote?
All other parties have a proven record of being incompetent shills that don't care about german citizen.

it's obvious you aren't German because that's not how it works here

orrrr….leftism could see a revival amongst muslisms once they realise everybody hates shitslam

How quaint.

You have a choice. You can reject the city-dwelling Muslims and migrants who literally depend on the neoliberal order of massive consumption and instill class consciousness in the native European population, who are the most ready and prepared to hear an anti-corporate, pro-worker message; OR you can masturbate about how internationalist you are and wank over worker solidarity breaking down barriers and so on and so on. This isn't an ideological pissing contest. This is about real, achievable politics.

The average inner city Turk or Nafri subsists on fast food, saves up his neetbux (thanks neoliberal order! keep those potential revolutionaries fat and sated!) for Adidas or Nike shoes and has no class consciousness whatsoever. Their tribalism and idpol (muh ummah) is way worse than the natives, by far.

When you realise that the natives are desperate for political change (they go to the AfD, FN, etc because there is no leftist alternative that isn't wanking about idpol) while the immigrants just vote for more neoliberal city bullshit, you will be much better equipped to fight for real change when a chance comes, perhaps in the 2020s.

AfD wählen, Genosse.

independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ftse-100-record-high-london-stock-exchange-pound-slump-lse-share-index-a7509586.html

theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/19/uk-employment-rate-at-record-high-despite-brexit-vote

I hate my life.

Let them pretend.

theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/14/uk-unemployment-rate-pay-growth-jobless-ons

Here's a more recent article

for once you anfem cunts are alright

sounds decent

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Thats still from last year.
Heres one from 2017

telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/19/uk-employment-at-record-high-but-wage-growth-slows/

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Not sure you've read that lad.

so FUCKING cringey.

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gib me one reason why die linke is not shit

pic related is not an argument btw so don't try

Then why are you taking your sweet time?

/interesting/

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lack of an alternative and support for lefty causes

AfD is literally BILD Zeitung the party before the AfD made an appearance.

I find the circumstances of their emergence very suspicious.

Let's start with that book Sarrazin released in 2010, Deutschland schafft sich ab. After that 3 months of non-stop talking about it. And speculations about a party on the right of CDU, either a national liberal one led by Fridrich Merz or a nationalist populist led by Thilo Sarrazin. It was portrayed as something inevitable to happen soon.

Years later news announce that a literal who professor from Hamburg announces that he will establish a right-wing alternative party within the next months.
THIS right there is fucking suspicious. It's not like parties aren't established throughout Germany all around the year, so why mention this one in particular?
So Lucke, a professor for macro economy wants to establish a party. He's from Hamburg, so he was present, when Ronald Schill won 20% in the Hamburg legislative election, just to make a fool of himself and losing all 20% in the next election. A lot of what you will find in the AfD you could find in the Schill party back then.
And even the AfD factions who are currently in the Länderparlamente have done jackshit at all and just cash on federal money. You don't want support porky, but why are you election another porky then?

most of them vote Green though

they are basically anarcho-capitalists, so voting for the mmakes you a retard

Gulag yourself, idpol dipshit

Not really ancap
Quite a few of their policies are decent (and most of those are almost the same as the NSDAP)
The party in general is still shit, but so is just about every party in germany.

Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung the best part of DIE LINKE. Financing leftist education everywhere.

if that is true they are based af

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How are you right-wingers so delusional? Or are you Americans who have been educated to believe liberals are leftists?

The old SED turned into Die Linke and is just SocDems nowadays.

Not entirely. There are still Socialists in the party and they have the "Kommunistische Plattform" which is pretty Marxist-Leninist. In general they are anti-sectarian but currently leaning towards Corbyn tier SocDems.

In the upper ranks you'd find more reformists and even some liberals to make the party look "eligible". Germans are traditionally very centrist and distrust radical ideas from both the left and right.

kys

A strong AfD will make Die Linke embrace more left-wing populism and become more Socialist. A weak AfD will bring Die Linke closer to the neoliberals in the SPD.

It's not just stupid accelerationism, voting strategically is now more important than ever.

Ignorant burger here. Since the highly unpopular politically correct neolib garbage like mass immigration and free trade are attached to an avowed rightist, is this making it easier for the left to disassociate itself from such massively unpopular policies?

Except for that one time, you mean?

No, because there is no real Left and virtually all the "Left" parties are just neoliberals with some pet social issues. Been that way since Schroeder and Blair.

Japanese are traditionally very isolationist and distrust wars of conquest, except for that one time.

No, most left-wing parties have embraced some form of neoliberalism.

It has something to do with Bismarck nurturing the Germans to always stick with the "established, sincere ways" on how things are done - including bureaucracy, obedience and trusting the ruling class to act as considerate and provident fathers.

Even Hitler, while surely being a radical, had to act all civil and bourgeois to be accepted by the middle class and everybody thought he is just gonna be a centrist chancellor with an authoritarian edge that tries balance out the interests of the classes. Of course, they were wrong, and this bureaucratic obedience brought out the worst in the administration during WWII, lots of suppressed anger and emotion of guess.

Then, after WWII, the allies sought to make Germans apolitical, which basically formed the population into an apolitical obedient centrist blob that focused solely on economics.

godspeed, fuck the uggo muzzies

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I doubt they're being serious.

google comrade roo

is the AfD pro or against leaving Europe?

If it is against, then it's not worth supporting. But then again, there's no way any German party can win without full throated EU support.

id have 3 kids with that girl

accelerationism is a meme

learns to use sage newfag

first of all. wrong term faggot. No one is leaving a continent.
second they are the only eurosceptical party in Germany with the exception of the pirates but they don't want to leave the EU completely. They just want to remove most of its political elements and leave the Euro.
third get the fuck off this website EU shill.

So basically, Germans consider someone who can't trace their lineage back centuries as still being a foreigner?
Can a black person even get a job in Germany?

meant for

the eternal kraut is gonna destroy Europe for what, the 4th time now?

why must they always do this

The worst thing is actually that this is somethilng the immigrant communities do themselves, pressuring people from accepting the German identity, this is especially true for the Muslims. A few months ago some guy of Iranian descent shot up ten people in downtown Munich because Turks and Arabs bullied him for trying to appear assimilated.

Nice damage control but user already let it slip.

Spooky

huffpost.com/us/entry/11154486

Nice picture of a dog

The faked facebook post which tried to lure people to the McDonalds was also posted under the account of a south-eastern european looking girl, so he was targeting at south-eastern europeans/turks. He also said "Shitty Turks" on the roof. Furthermore he said he was bullied, growing up in a neighborhood with many people from turkey and the balkan countries.

You now even have assimilated immigrants shooting up non-assimilated ones.

That's pretty fucked up.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooter-responds-to-fg-foreigner-taunts-by-saying-i-am-ge/

Link got destroyed for some reason.

Nice falseflag

the policy of letting in refugees and guest worker programs made racism not only possible, but added fule to the fire

Literally the opposite of what happens.
When you let them in and support them, more people in your country have access to them and realize immigrants and refugees are human beings with needs and political views and not exploding kebabs. When you repel them or detain them, the myth that they are enemies is perpetuated, first by the state itself and then is passed on to the 🍀🍀🍀public speech🍀🍀🍀