I would like some discussions about it, (not just 3 guys spamming the pig meme).
First for start I'm really not supporting the government here, and actually kinda starving some days just for example since sunday until today I have only eat one meal per day.
But everything isn't just starving to death, for example here the gas bill, electricity bill, internet bill, tv cable bill and phone combined doesn't cost more than 1,5$USD COMBINED!
Just to clarify here every dollar cost 3000Bs.F each one, you can't buy dollars freely, government has not allowed it since some years ago, also on some government sites you can see they offer dollars at a rate of 674Bs.F each one but they have never sell even a single one of those to particulars freely, it's absolutely impossible to buy dollars here that way.
But yeah that's Venezuela these days, what do you guys think?
Also I supported the socialist effort for several years until chávez past away, the fact that i'm not supporting the current government doesn't mean i'm supporting the opposition party. I'm just a regular venezuelan guy passing some hard times like everyone else and kinda worried about my country.
Samuel Perry
An isolationist capitalist economy which used to bribe its population with oil money but can't afford it anymore. It's crap.
Thomas Collins
Mistakes we're made. They made the choice to have a heavy social democracy using oil money while allowing the bourgoiesie to retain their property and power, which inevitably led to sabotage and counter-socialist action. It didn't help that the oil price collapsed, leaving Venezuela without a primary source of income.
Nathaniel Williams
Let's not.
Adrian Nguyen
One of the things more discussed here it's exactly that, why they didn't just put the oil money on production means?
Ok they took some property and gave it to the workers not every single one but a lot of properties, then just broke these factories by offering imported goods almost for free, obviously people just rather buy the most cheap-imported goods than the produced here on the country.
I'm venezuelan and willing to prove it on anyway you want it user.
I rather friendly talk than that shitpost storm on lol
Kevin Anderson
I dunno mate you tell me, I would have put the oil money on production and promoted domestic products too. I have no idea why they did what they did, I am not well versed in venezuelan internal politics, I can only judge them from what I read.
Ryder Nelson
Ok, is the feed to the Holla Forums thread on? Alright here we go.
Venezuela is worse than Stalin, I hate it, don't go there. Chavez was cancer and engaged in censorship. They should have allowed America to economically ass rape them like the previous hundred years or so. Something something, they need to adopt neo-liberal policies we would never adopt here.
Alright, back to our regularly scheduled program. There are problems with the states response to economic problems, but the real problem is their relationship with the developed world. As always they're being punished for not accepting the imperialist corporate cock.
Gavin Walker
Stop assuming the worst of everyone, gomrade
Benjamin Bell
That's exactly what we want, but I don't know too pal, I think it was just a lot easier, faster, instantly to just gave away a lot of imported goods to the poor and needed to keep then happy instantly instead of investing on the future of the country. Thinking the oil prices will fall.
Chase Anderson
Maybe they wanted to do it to keep their elected position? Another reason "representative parlementairy democracy" is a shitty system that promotes lying and shitty policy
I find it a special kind of stupid that venezuala managed to do to itself with its own money and resources what the west is doing to africa.
Adrian Peterson
this cartoon is ultra garbage. 'wage labour' ≠ 'being paid to work'. wage labour is fucking bare minimum for survival or less
who said money cant exist in socialism?
be a lot easier to have meaningful discussions with ultras if they could learn to fucking read a book
Blake Bailey
The comic is referring to the fact that state capitalist systems own the means of production "for the workers via proxy" without the workers having a direct say in it, other than perhaps a once every 4 years choosing someone to choose for them. As such, its not worker control.
Christian Bell
theweek.com/articles/624655/how-fix-venezuela I thought this was an interesting article, and I'd be inclined to believe it was a good analysis but I'm not Venezuelan and I don't know much about the country.
Daniel Collins
Exactly what we need and the problem with it, the government must unify exchange rates, they refuse it, I don't understand why.
Josiah Jenkins
It would give a sudden massive inflation, which people generally wouldn't like, since their monetary savings would be worth nothing.
IMO, I agree with you, you need to pull off the bandaid in one go and it will hurt less. I and many others here cannot help you. I dont speak spanish and I dont live anywhere near venezuela.
Benjamin Long
Lets not even talk about the idiocy of pinning your currency against the USD, which is volatile as fuck and can take a dive at any moment due to americas massive debts and economic instability.
They should put tariffs on products that are available in sufficient amounts domestically, so those industries get stimulated and get to grow.
Also making cooperatives is always a good move. Venezuela is a country with lots of oil, it can basically pull a Tito without having to borrow any money.
Jacob Smith
does Venezuela really have a flat income tax of 34%?
Gabriel Walker
on every single thing you buy theres 12% of tax its called "IVA" (Impuesto del valor agregado).
Besides that i'm a random citizen 24 years working my entire life on minimum wage and never have payed taxes besides these 12% on everything (even a fucking candy has IVA lol)
We have massive inflation right now, it wouldn't be that hard or bad ok I mean we the workers are going to pay for it, but we are already kinda starving so I think we can pass through it.
Adam Parker
yeah we have that too, called VAT (Value Added Tax). It's regressive and targets the poor
Anthony Gutierrez
Dont worry about it.
Christopher Green
Are Venezuelans stupid or what? Fucking kill every statist cuck until they learn
Michael Allen
t. CIA
Ryan Nguyen
Kek
Angel Smith
t. someone who probably thinks Makhno was a good boy who didn't do nothing
Ryan Stewart
It's a given that Maduro fucked up colossally, but I'm honestly in awe at the extent of the crisis. The crime surge was understandable, several Latin American countries went through that these last couple of decades, but the economic crisis is absurd.
How the fuck does food just flat out cease being produced on a national scale? It takes more than sheer incompetence to do it, doesn't it? I can't help but feel it involved direct and active milicious action on someone's part. Let's face it, in a decade or two there will be FOIA documents coming out with Obama telling CIA to "make their economy scream" a la Nixon and Chile.
Isaiah Brown
Criminal scum are happy with the government bro, why would you kill the guy who lets you run the country like some wild west movie.
Besides the little money government receives its expended on food and help for the most poor's on caracas which it's the most populated state, that's the main reason why people haven't made a huge riots to overthrow government, country its centralized no matter how many protests happen on every single place, until there's a real big one on caracas nothing it's going to happen, and it's no going to happen for the reasons I already explained,
Colton Reyes
This is currently happening
Aaron Wright
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Joseph Perry
Venezuela is basically Denmark but a little more socdem from what I see Also the economy isn't crashing because of it's socdem policies anyways, it's crashing because of dropping oil prices and a stupidly high reliance on oil production (something like 90% of their GDP comes from oil sales) Laissez-faire capitalism won't fix the country like most Americans believe, it'd just turn it into another El Salvador
Jacob Mitchell
what should be done with the right wing Venezuelan shills on Holla Forums?
Joshua Richardson
Do Mark Weisbrot and Jeff Spross post here? This is said in almost every thread about Venezuela this year, last year, and the year before that. Not that I disagree with it. (See also the comment under that article from 2010, though that doesn't refer so much to what the exchange policy in Venezuela actually amounts to, but rather how fixing the exchange rate would "work" if you were serious about guaranteeing it: venezuelanalysis.com/news/5377 So it's not a hindsight is 20/20 situation.)
Austin Perry
Well yeah, but there's no paper trail at the moment, right when it matters
If when Maduro is overthrown and a Miami-raised, American-accent-having IMF stooge is installed, there will suddenly be all these warehouses owned by speculators full of stockpiled grains being discovered all over the place, well shucks what are the odds huh.
William Jenkins
So why don't you guys all march to Caracas and Maidan the shit out of it?
Jayden Thompson
No you illiterate fuck, I am saying that "lol chaos anarchy kill everyone" is not going to fix anything, its going to allow groups such as CIA backed right wingers to take control.
Zachary Ortiz
I don't know user would you like to walk 800km to caracas to overthrow the government?
I would love it.
But the common citizen it's like sleep they don't protest, they don't say anything they just wake up everyday, go to work, or go to make some rows with other people hoping there's any food available to buy… It's pretty sad, I've seen old ladies cry waiting, babies, poor people. I always put a tough face lit a cigarette and try to ignore people suffering hunger waiting for food, i'm one of those like I say before since monday I have eaten only one meal per day.
Charles Hill
Fug…This destroys my theory. I've always believed that if a population started to have hunger, they would revolt. It's a really dramatic situation for Vnezuela, i can't even imagine what's like. So when are the next elections? Who will be running?
Jaxon Brown
Lol no, the systematic killing of goverment officials in order to force them to act properly is not the same as a total regime change
Besides, if such regime actually happens, then it is the duty of the exploited class to do the same with the right wing goverment
You illiterate fuck, you unironically belive there are only two options, regime change or total subjugation
Why is the proletariat class so fucking cucked?
If I were only eating once a day you bet your ass I would sniper Maduro's sorry ass
What are you waiting for? Are you going to wait until you eat once or twice a week?
Andrew Richardson
Sure, internet though guy.
Wyatt Bennett
Damn, cointelpro is at full force today
Yes, everyone is a fucking cuck like you with no desire to liberate themselves from corrult governmemt officials
Jose Evans
Uh I have fighted on the streets against cops/civil guard but 50 guys can take a entire country, we just gave up when people stop supporting us. Believe me man sleeping on the streets protesting and waking up on hearing guns with only rocks and molotov cocktails to fight back isn't like movies.
Yeah I would used to think the same, we are starving but none cares they are more busy looking for food that thinking about a revolt against government.
Next presidential elections are in 2 years, we should have elected governors on DEC/2016 but government refused to celebrate the elections, so I don't know at this point.
Tyler Taylor
Yea man, let me just pull my sniper rifle out of my backpocket, travel to the capital of a country, somehow set up on a vantage point without being spotted by the intelligence services and make a killing shot at the president, only to cast the government into disarray, not give any demands, get arrested and probably killed, while not having an organisation of like minded individuals to enforce the demands (which you didnt make) on the government.
Move some kilos of yeyo and use it to buy a sawed shotgun
Get near him in one of those events where he greets everyone and blow hismchest
James Hernandez
We call IVA 'BTW' here, and it's 21% on most goods
Easton Jenkins
Kaaskoppen verzamelen.
Also its not 21% on most goods. its 21% of "luxery" goods and 6% on food and other essential living items.
Juan Carter
As a matter of fact forget the shotgun, just make one with iron piping
Austin Allen
So whats your strategy for after you somehow got close enough to a high ranking official to kill them? How do you make demands? How do you ensure they will be fearfull enough to excecute your demands instead of just killing you and your buddies? How do you enforce your demands?
Ryan Lopez
A manifesto
Besides, considering I will be fucking dead, its up to the other proletariats to ensure the demands are met
Brandon Mitchell
MANIFESTO OF THE LEGENDARY PIRATE POSTER:
t. anarchist philosopher
Adrian Morgan
Why are commies so dumb?
Christopher Evans
Killing Maduro would make it a martyr.
Jonathan Morales
Adored by whom?
Kayden Thompson
It would actually lower it, because a *lot* of food is being imported at the black market rate now, and I doubt that a proper official rate would be higher than the current black market rate.
David Peterson
Where do you expect them to get the snipers from?
Landon Richardson
Here's an article that talks about reforms that Venezuela desperately needs:
(make sure to click the link in the note only after you've read the whole article)
