RDW CELEBRATION THREAD

youtube.com/watch?v=G4gPXvW3DG4

IT'S HERE, WE DID IT, AND IT'S AMAZING. TODAY IS A DAY THAT WILL GO DOWN IN Holla Forums HISTORY.

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Welcome.

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bunkermag.org/the-sociology-of-hypernormalisation/
reddit.com/r/leftypol
youtube.com/watch?v=NMroWnWIqs0
xkcd.com
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
walkingbutterfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/participatory-planning-michael-albert-robin-hahnel.pdf
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jacobinmag.com/2015/04/allende-chile-beer-medina-cybersyn/
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reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nr0e8/sharing_my_perspective_on_things_thatve_been/
ceddit.com/r/socialism/new
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Holy fucking shit. Well done, comrades. Priority is now to control the more autistic sections of the board to avoid alienating new arrivals.

The dialectic is in motion

but will r/socialism accomplish anything in retaliation?

other than liberal whining

We came, buckos

God, that got me so hyped, well done buckos.

PRAISE THE MARKET SOCIALIST NEW YORKER

Well I see the mods did a good job of banning all the serial troublemakers including myself and cleaning up the catalog ahaha

Welcome, normies

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LEFTYPOL…
LEFTYPOL.
THEY'RE AN INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE
Did he even visit? He may have went to .pl if he googled it.
RDW tripcode when?

Honestly, I think he did the link is correct in the youtube description. Whether he liked what he saw is up to the interpretation but hell if someone asked me to explain Holla Forums I would probably stumble too.

Reminder to post this video on leftist spaces on Reddit and up vote ones that have been posted

THEY DID NOT EVEN CARE ABOUT CLASS STRUGGLE BEFORE YOU, Holla Forums!

>[email protected]/* */ wants to thank this month's sponsorship that was actually a group effort, of a group of viewers from the Holla Forums (slash-L-E-F-T-Y-P-O-L-slash) online community (8ch.net/leftypol/index.html) pulled together to raise enough to sponsor tonight's recording. Thank you all for your efforts, and thank you to the organizer who put it all together, we all appreciate your collective support

we fucking did it lads

He even pronounced correctly lol

I feel kind of embarrassed. RDW probably came here, saw some inane posts, a nazbol, and then had to go drink some whiskey to cope with the fact that he's supported by edgy channers.

Also, we just pissed off a lot our leftcoms.

Hell no, this place is horrible

Leftcoms are eternally pissed off at everything.
Here's an experiment you can do. next time you see a leftcom in the wild, just agree with him on everything, accept every assertion he makes, and see where it takes you, see what they end up asking you to do, and offer all the help you can. You'll see just how vacuous and ineffectual their praxis is. Then they'll post a GMiL comic about why it doesn't need to be.

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alright guys. If we truly expect an influx of newfriends from this, then it's time to get to work populating the front page and catalog with high quality threads.

DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM IS REAL

YES! Twenty bucks well spent

It maybe a hellhole but this my home and in a weird way I feel like we're one big dysfunctional family except instead of one kid being autistic all the kids are autistic

Fugg.
We migth see some newfriends.

UPDATE THIS NOW

I think that covers it tbh

I'll leave this hear.

Things to do for possible newfriend influx:

Infodump thread

Tell people to read the FAQ

Repel assmad false flagging Holla Forumsacks

Get our crowdfunders together again and crowdfund RDW a bottle of whiskey to soothe his pain after reading this board and this site

INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE

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Wow comrades good work.

Btw I'm a web developer, if the board managers wanted any help (including building an independent leftypol website) I'm offering my help.

Good luck rebels HQ.

yes please for the independent leftist chan idea. Bunkerchan and 0ch suck ass

next goal should be to get Zizek to dedicate his next book to Holla Forums. He'll agree to do this for a gram of crack.

Who knows what Dick Wolff saw when checking out this place? Race-bait Holla Forums threads, NazBols, tfw no socialist gf threads, Gulagposting, Posadist threads, idPol shitstorms, communist pepes, who knows?!?!?

I know we loathe Reddit here, but this might be worth a trip over there. It's too good not to do. The /r/socialism mods' heads would fucking explode at the thought of anyone knowing there's a leftist alternative to their politically correct safe space.

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We got a place called bunkerchan but it is dead. as annoying as right-wing raids are i think this place is good enough to stick with, our very presence on this site also greatly upsets said right-wingers which is very funny.

Yes, and we can make it easier to use for normies… if any admin wanted my help pass to me your email, I would be happy to help.

how did our board end up going downhill in quality so much? not to sound like a tinfoil or anything, but I'm beginning to imagine there is some group with huge amounts of resources that are extremely opposed to socialist movements. time to take my meds again, lol.

He doesn't smoke crack; he clearly snorts cocaine salt.

Are you absolutely sure you want to make everything friendlier for normies? Why don't you frequent a facebook group instead of this place then?

No doubt, but miraculously there are actually a few decent threads up right now. Maybe if enough people show up, the Holla Forums reading group can actually function.

EVERYONE POST ALUNYA

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Okay, whatever is the best, comrade.

I'm offering my help for any project anyway if it's not related to a board…

REMINDER TO POST SLINGS AND UPHOLD MARXIST-ALUNYAIST THOUGHT

I mean having a independent chan or some other place would be awesome but i just don't think we have the numbers to populate it.

Don't worry about it for now. At least there are fallback spots Holla Forums can go to if anything happens to Holla Forums. The most important thing is that we're here in Holla Forums's fascist hug box and that triggers the fuck out of them. Maybe one day, if we fight hard enough, Holla Forums can be a free speech site again.

Oh, and we might want to let newcomers know about the comedy word filters, lest they get hopelessly confused. Maybe we should take them off temporarily?

I'm new here, what words are filtered… let me try this one: Trump is a major cuck.

National Socialism
Problematic

You'll see as you go.

Wait.. what happened???

What excellent news. Was slightly nervous about it fulfilling your expectations, but it looks like the majority of you are satisfied, I'm very glad. I had been in correspondence with [email protected]/* */ prior to the event, just to check everything was going to plan.

Thank you to all who donated or shared the donation link around. Democracy at Work and myself are greatly appreciative of your contributions. Big thanks to Shane and Betsy from [email protected]/* */ for helping us make this happen, too.

Sorry for not being able to write something longer or more comprehensive, I need to leave for work in about 5 minutes.

So to end, here is a link to Democracy at Work's "Get involved" page: democracyatwork.info/get_involved#volunteer . If you have any skills that may help them produce the great things they produce, then feel free to drop a message and offer your assistance. Animators, graphic designers, writers, and so on and so on and so on. Regardless of your specific qualms with the finer points (as I've seen convincingly on recent threads), Democracy at Work and 'The Wolff' provides us with some brilliant educational resources about economics, something in this day and age that must not be taken for granted.

Once again, cheers to all who contributed and those that will help in the future endeavors of our board.

"email protected" is D(at)W, Democracy at Work

Need to leave for my daily toil, got some shipping containers to unload (kill me). Will be on the thread later today.

Wait, tell us if Papa Wolff was disgusted or amused by us.

I just had a thought. Where's the Bunkermag editor? I haven't heard anything out of them in a while. Maybe it's time to revive Bunkermag.

Can we put the best foot forward? Most people assume Hoxha is a beard hating paranoid. Why not start with a book sharing thread?

well, i may need to be more careful with my banning so i dont ban newfags and redditors who are curious

Are you admitting to ban people that lightly? For being dissident to the board's status quo?

it was barely alive in the first place

Pls do another fundraiser

I'm not new, but i never understood Wolff's position. Is he a market socialist or what?

At the very most he believes that a gradualist market-socialist solution is the best stepping stone to actually FALC.
In terms of how it may breed a collectivist and mutualist ethos in the people, he might be right.

Well worth my $15. When is Wolff Feeder starting another donation pool?

Happy new year, Holla Forums!

There are a lot of raids from Holla Forums here, so the mods are trigger happy at times. There's a moderation feedback thread for situations like that. Holla Forums has their mod feedback on another board, /polmeta/, which never gets looked at by anyone. Having the feedback posted on the board itself is better.

fresh OC for truth

Kek

This is exactly how I read his comment as well.

Phresh OC from Catgrill as usual!

Haha good shit drawfriend

ayy

Tip for people new to imageboards: The catalog is your friend.

This.
Good threads can only be kept alive if enough people actually use the catalog.

kek

Front page right now is
Truly this is a great tome of left wing knowledge.

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Seems pretty based to me, reddit. Mad?

Yet another normal day on leftypol.

Actually, you do have a point.
It's the same threads over and over for ever and ever…

BO, change the dead board message so it doesn't confuse people.

almost fainted when the god almighty Wolff said Holla Forums

start fucking posting on it then


RARE PRICKLY!


Is pic related you by anychance?
I remember you posting before. You are epitome of reddit cancer.

I see you have not yet grasped the core of LeftCommunism.

a few Holla Forums raids are veiled as question on the original post

dog bless richard

American election.

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DUBS CONFIRM

It's crazy to think that this board only had 100 posters once upon a time.

what a delight


heheh i'm sure he took a peek here, wonder what threads he stumbled into

Top OC right here.

interesting group of people

AND TRIPs

BEHOLDEN






YES
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Holy fucking shit, almost ten minutes of straight up dialectical materialism at the end, where he even fucking namedrops communism as the alternative.

any /interesting/ in?

Seems good to me tbh

I'm willing to help with this too, very interested in doing this.

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Does this mean even more market """"""""""""""""""""socialist"""""""""""""""""""" cancer on this board? What a time to be alive.

Read a book faggot

Also

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that was a pretty good episode

can we change the board message? newfriends may be confused

This reply should hopefully be in 1 topic i think - lets see (Marxist from Britain)

i love you drawfriend

You don't need to fill the name, email and subject fields.
Putting sage on the email field makes it so that your post doesn't bump the thread, please lurk a bit more before posting.

Welcome, newfriend.

Stop.

But yes, you can reply to threads without putting in name, email or subject. Typing "sage" in the email field stops bumping, but you can also just check the "do not bump" box if you want to.

You can go to anfem breeding dungeon voluntarily if you choose.

Leave if you're easily offended: we're absolute cunts.

what the fuck board volunteer? Whats with the hostility toward drawgirl?

You did good work, Wolff Feeder.

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There is only hostility here.

"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy."
–Comrade Mao

I didn't get it either. What a cunt.

He ticked the "do not bump" box.

You know he was embarrassed.

Quality stuff.


I spend a few months coming here, then don't come here for a few months. Not sure why. But every time I come back, it warms my heart to see that our userbase has grown.

reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nhtw5/richard_d_wolff_economic_update_fixing_capitalism/

Even r/socialism is pleased

being sent to anfem breeding dungeon is a great honor, why wouldn't you want to come? Theirs cookies n shit.

No, they're butthurt.

I'm not feeling /leftypol7 to be any different today

We should do it once a year as a frivolous joke.

YES

I stop visiting for a day and you fags get noticed by Wolff-sempai, you magnificent comrades!

If I'm remembering rightly that deleted thread was someone asking what leftypol is and a response saying something like 'socialists without idpol'.

Daily reminder that r/socialism is shit.

I'm tempted to make a post about Stalinist moderation, but I think it'd do more harm than good.

Is there a way to see the deleted posts? Like a wayback machine for leddit?

The comment said "ayyy Holla Forums"

But how do you know?

2764 views so far

I wonder what % actually checks us out.

I saw it before it was deleted

Its on

Catgrill drawfag is best drawfag.

I saw /r/latestagecapitalism had a thread about the video, but it looks like it's been deleted now.

And as always, reddit is twelve steps behind the imageboards.

Am I about to start a shitstorm? The description box has changed and now cannot see mention of left pol

Was the response about idpol?
I could have sworn I saw that comment, but my memory might be playing tricks.

it's still there

I didn't see the reply to the comment so idk fam

They moved it to the top but removed the clickable link.

SHOW ME YOUR WAR REEEEEEEEE

inb4 one of their shitmods takes the money and runs

We can only hope

Why the fuck would you go to leddit?


I bet some fucks at r/socialism got in contact with whoever runs the [email protected]/* */ channel and told them how deeply triggering and excellent we are.

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>I bet some fucks at r/socialism got in contact with whoever runs the [email protected]/* */ channel and told them how deeply triggering and excellent we are.
Oh well, its in the comments and in the video.

Replace the r with a c to make "ceddit" to see deleted posts.

what's this a reference to?

is excellent (P R O B L E M A T I C) a word filter?

dog bless you user

take my dubs of gratitude

ah, fucking damn it

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Wow that's neat.


WARNING
If you have a reddit account do not click a direct link to reddit and then vote. They have a bot that may shadowban you.

They sure love us.

Btw. they muted me, so I'll never find out what I did wrong.

ofcourse they did

you were a socialist on a cointelpro operation, user

thats what you did wrong

Well done tavarovich

KYS.

central planning sucks ballz

" is the worst insult possible and anything that isn't socialist is immediatly disregarded

Completely delusional.

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Yo, I'm finally back from work. If anyone has any questions or whatever, fire away.


I'm surprised they gave the link in the first place tbh, I didn't request them to or anything. If anyone is interested they can find the board, but by its nature it's quite a niche. Separating ourselves from Holla Forums may be beneficial in the long run, but transitioning into something else is really quite difficult.


It'd be good, since the Wolffster can always use the money. But getting more people onto Reddit to be influenced by the consensus over there would be pretty shitty tbh.


Thanks man, but that's my old tripcode. I fucked up using one at the time, and had to transition. See image for what happened


You shoulda been in my shoes at the time. The relief that it all went ok was astounding, lmao


Seconded. There's already someone in the Youtube comments talking about how the message said "dead board".


Fucking excellent as per usual. Could do another donation pool in future, if circumstances arise or people desire one. At least with me doing it they know that I'm relatively legit.


Depends what for, but I'm sure we can do something like that in future.


Never spoke to him personally, however I'm sure its a mixture of both. I've been here quite a while, and my reaction is still a mixture of disgust and amusement


God, I hesitate to imagine. We do have a lot of good aspects, but it takes a while to find them, really. Some OG niggas like freudposter and drawfellow inhabit the murky depths


Honestly if you can design a pleasant, well-developed alternative then I'm well up for it.

Unloading containers was always my favorite thing at my old job. Either I would be working with my buddies and we would play heavy metal and try to keep pace with the music or I would be working with this one massively hot chick who would make the experience fun.

Maybe we should set up a Holla Forums friendly subreddit? We shouldn't allow the name of socialism to be ruined by milquetoast, left of center, banhappy SJW 'socialists' on reddit.

There's r/leftwithoutedge and r/redflag

It's a sad situation that this shithole serves as many people's first introduction to Socialism.

I can't stand it, unfortunately. My coworkers aren't the most pleasant of people, tbh. It's hard graft and I'm paid £2 under the normal minimum wage for full-time work, so I just spend the entire time thinking about how little I'm getting from it all.

The worst thing of all is that they play a radio station called Kiss FM. It's beyond garbage, speeding into to a new realm of shittitude. If I hear the "Rockabye baby" song one more time I'm going to go mental with a stanley knife

Lol I was that first reply. I said "I bet most people here don't support the banning of the words 'stupid/idiot' and I got 100+ upvotes before I got banned

i would make a /r/leftypol subreddit myself but you need to have an account for a month before you can create one and i cant be arsed

We can literally do this again, if we all pitch in he'll say Holla Forums within the year

Here ya go fam
bunkermag.org/the-sociology-of-hypernormalisation/

Ouch. Get them to play Rinse.

I bet a majority of people there really don't mind """"brocialism""". It's just the dumb ass mods. Comments like the one you mention getting tons of upvotes are just further evidence of that.

reddit.com/r/leftypol
I tried but got banned immediately.

It's because it's been banned for two years.

Hahaha what the fuck

…why?

we tried years ago guys, but the r/FULLCOMMUNISM got us banned in infancy

A while ago someone mentioned that it's a shame Holla Forums should have been called /prole/. I just checked and /r/prole is virtually empty.

How the fuck can this subreddit be banned when literal hate subreddits are up? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH REDDIT?

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Reddit exists to be a marketing platform. Racism is less threatening than leftism.

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Maybe just /prol/?

Then they come here, see "Dead board, go to 8ch.pl" and they're lost forever.

Anything would be better than Kiss FM tbh. Easily the worst radio station on the airwaves. The advertisements are mental, too. One of them especially for some sort of Reality TV version of Netflix is just cancer in audio form.

It's changed now.

Top lel

OOPS

A lie doesn't become true through repetition.


Oh yeah, I forgot. I even saved the new one and everything. Pic related.


An oxymoron. As Jefferson said, thought or expression, of any kind, "neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket."


I have never hated leddit more than I do at this very moment.

Hotpockets, step your game up.

fuck I love it

You do realize "A collective of people engaged in pretty much what the name suggests" is what Professor Wolff used to describe us, right?

if you see the reddit thread now, it's getting pretty cancerous (Cancer being a debilitating disease that makes you inferior to healthy people) with stupid (Intelligence being a measure of human worth) idpol (muh shitpost flair).
But if you go there and try and correct the record I'm sure the mods will sperg (Aspergers being a mental disorder that decreases your worth as a human being) and delete everything. instead go there and talk about how awful and indefensible leftypol is, and how Crucial it is that the mods of any socialist space march side by side with women, GSMs and the disabled. respond with exasperation and disbelief at anyone who has even lukewarm sympathy for leftypol. We must secure a place for feminism on the internet, and make sure Brocialism does not take hold on /r/socialism :^)

Personally I'd have gone with "I love my dead gay ideology"

You do realize that, seconds later, he also called us "an interesting group of people," right?

kek

"I love my dead gay ideology"
That would be hilarious, but I don't think many people would get the reference.

Yeah, just making sure you realized it wasn't just some random phrase. That's what I got from your reply, fam.

I just thought the other one would be funnier.

For those out of the loop: youtube.com/watch?v=NMroWnWIqs0

Good job, Agitprop Director Catgirl.

wtf how

When you arrive at a site, if you clicked a link, the site knows where you clicked the link. Reddit admins are massive spergs when it comes to "brigades" (people purposefully going to a thread to skew the up/downvotes). They want voting to occur "organically" where people discover threads on their front page or by going to the subreddit. Note that this is a site-wide thing that the admins do.

Then there is SRS, which gets around this by saying "remember to totes not brigade this link", and admins are fine with that.

leddit is cancer.

god damn it

i really don't care much for the reddit hate i see online all the time but shit like this is pathetic

Looks like somebody did something right.

I hate the fucking idpol of /r/socialism mods, but this is a stupid fucking statement

why are you getting less than minimum? under 25?

yes mate. I always like trying to find good pirate radio stations as well. can always find some garage, d&b/jungle or reggae.

Have some Wolff webms.

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Tbh he spends so much time introducing the lecture and thanking various people that viewers might zone out or even skip ahead.

This defeats the whole purpose of HTTP.

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That's all I've got.

If by stupid you mean "objectively, verifiably correct" then yes. Unless of course you're referring to non-Western countries, but what Western feminist actually gives a shit about those? They're too busy talking about how everything is woman hater to pay attention to women in countries where sexism is actually part of the law. No woman in a Western country has any institutional prohibitions specifically directed against them. Western feminism is pure garbage.

Yes, but I'm getting worse than the minimum for my age (Which is £5.60). I get paid £3.50 an hour, because I'm currently on in an apprenticeship working at an e-commerce company in the warehouse. To put it into perspective, I earn around a third of the AVERAGE wage of an employee in my specific region of the UK.

All the way through education focusing on IT, decided to apply for an "IT Support Apprenticeship" only to find after starting that the apprenticeship course is in customer service (shit), and then find myself almost solely working in the warehouse. Wrapping pallets, hauling shit, sweeping up, taking the bins out, etc.

The worst thing is that my employer (BMW driving bourgescum) gets a £1500 grant from the taxpayer to employ me for the worst wage it's possible to legally employ someone for a 40 hour work week at.

Desperately looking for another job, but I live in the middle of nowhere in the British countryside. Come home every day fatigued and aching for virtually no reason. Can't stand it

I'm a woman and the green berets denied me my dream to kill foreigners for US interests. I wont stand for this oppression. I demand to be given the same oppurtunity to kill foreigners as men are given.

I don't think you two are wrong, but I think we should save it for another thread. This can of worms leads to butthurt and walls of text far too often, and I don't want to see this thread derailed.

I don't understand people voluntarily selecting it over the BBC stations.

Are you from Banbury or Oxford?

I see companies offering apprentice shop assistant positions. It's a scam, and why none of the political parties kick up a fuss about it I don't know.

Can we do another one?

That is like the least ridiculous thing reddit does. Recently their CEO got butthurt by all the Donald Trump supporters so he went and personally edited a bunch of their posts, got caught doing it, and ended up looking like a bigger fool than they are.

Lincolnshire

You're damn right. It's nothing more than cheap labour under the guise of education. Why would a firm bother employing people below the minimum wage illegally, when they can do so very easily and completely legally?

he's a marksoc, dude. He's hardly in a position to look down on us, honestly

No they are much bigger fools.

that sucks, an absurdly low wage. such a cynical way to reduce the value of labour below the established amount. almost as bad as when they made people on jobseekers work for wetherspoons and poundland for free

KEK

Zesty OC friend 10/10

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The link to the FAQ thread in the OP is not working

10/10
Keep up the good work

This was posted earlier in the thread. See

So when do we pool our money for a Superbowl Ad

After we get crowdsource the money to hire Dr. Wolff as our senior consulting economic policy adviser
Soon, comrade!

Reminders

I was there. It was hot as fuck in the room. Also this neckbeard guy in the front row closest to wolff kept turning to look at his mom every five seconds and was hysterical with laughter the entire time. and sometimes when he agreed with something wolff said, he started shaking his head really really fast, like he was nodding, except it kind of looked like a seizure. he would nod his head maybe a few centimeters, probably 5 times a second, for a second or two. it was EXTREMELY autistic. was that anyone here?

also what wolff said about self driving cars needing there to be special hardware installed into roads so that the self driving cars work better, is that true? did he mean in cities, where self driving is supposed to be a lot more difficult?

also, people who say things out loud during the talk, like wolff will say "X" and some guy in the crowd will go, "not just X". dude… no one cares about your opinion. please shut the fuck up and kill yourself. don't know if that made it into the recording.

I watched the entire thing, didn't see it happen. Worst thing that happened was that the lights went out for a moment during the speech.

Reddit's good for finding porn you like ngl
Not much else though

Says the redditor lmao

jtrig + cointelpro

dont get me wrong, some of the shitposting are by unaffilated people but I think it would be naive to think that nothing a bit more serious isn't happening to both places like this and to places like rebbit

WE GET SHIT DONE

wow. fuck /r/socialism and its jtrig shit

just like says

WE MONEY IN POLITICS NAO

nothing ever changes

Whoa. Neeto. But you all realize what this means right? The publicity is nice but the only people who might actually stick around are the edgelord youngsters. And now you have to somehow get them to read stuff. Start with the easy books, I guess. Tell them to read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

Also, get them to donate to the Kurdish Red Crescent and hope the money gets to Rojava soon-ish.


It's kinda hopeless.

For a (4)chan user, perpetual online conflict is normal. It is completely normal for us to wade into a swamp of horrible opinions and verbal abuse, and to just start swinging our fists and hope for the best.

The outsider, on the other hand, is accustomed to order and control. For the outsider, this place will look like a schoolyard fulla bullies fucked up on coke.

DEAR VISITORS, PLEASE TAKE NOTE:

1. THERE ARE (ALMOST) NO RULES AGAINST VERBAL ABUSE ON THIS BOARD
2. THERE ARE (ALMOST) NO RULES AGAINST HORRIBLE OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD

PUT UP YOUR DUKES

PS: THE REST OF THIS SITE WANTS US DEAD. ENJOY!

Sorry about the digital shouting, but this should have been in the OP if you ask me. Hope this helps! :^)


Someone might be testing the waters and checking to see how many of us believe the CIA report.

LADS LADS LADS
We /raggedtrouseredphilanthropists/ now

He's very easy to listen to

Definitely more engaging than the vast majority of Marxists

Coming soon: the Holla Forums super PAC

I'm sure le Marxist billionaire Soros will be helping us out

Oh, that changes everything. Music makes such a difference that you would not believe it. I remember my metalhead friend and I clearing and pallatizing a container in under four hours when it was supposed to take us eight just because we had a bunch of Slayer albums playing at full volume while we worked. We came out of that box just drenched in sweat and feeling like our arms were about to fall off. The look on the manager's face was priceless when we told him that we were done. Yeah, we did a Porky a favor, but it was a fucking blast.

Any others, comrades? Gonna follow those two for time being.

WE DID IT GUYS!!!!

I'm not one for disregarding people's accomplishments or ideas because of their flaws but especially with all the newcomers here, someone like Jefferson needs a giant asterisk by their name. He was not a good guy.

Kek
Recruit Porkies

Fucking amazing ahahaha

Can't you just copy such links directly to the address bar and so completely circumvent these stupid bots? That works right? No one can tell where the hell you came from when you "manually" enter the address.

Yes. I forgot to mention that.

So credit where credit is due. I made some flippant reports on random comments, trying to get an over-reaction from the mods. to "I'm anticipating catgirl comics" I wrote "Catgirls are an expression of sexist objectification". Handsomejack94 has just reposted that report as a comment "Catgirls are an expression of woman hater objectification". It seems he as a mod is willing to let what he views as "misogynist objectification" get discussed, without banning everyone, even though he is sitting at -5 right now. Everyone give Handsomejack94 some appreciation.

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So? The quality of an idea shouldn't be weighed by the identity of the people holding them.

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Did you read my post? I said as much, just that it's also important to point out (especially to newcomers) that Jefferson is not our guy.

making a minor charitable donation several months ago is not something to brag about. I don't even know where the money went, because "production" of an economic update should be cheap as shit. he appears to be lecturing in a room at a university, which are usually available for free, and he speaks for over an hour with no interruption. minimal editing in this video.
Regardless of the expensive advertising, don't pat yourself on the back. you got about as much done as a liberal who buys a fair trade espresso every day.

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They don't exist. Everyone is flawed, and there are no heroes.

Good luck maximizing social utility without effective, distributed signaling mechanisms, fuccboi.

Good gif.

I like how Gulag is a seperate option from Hard labor. I like to think they have two work camps, one where everyone uses socialist slogans and fake russian accents and period clothes, and the other where they do the same work and just beat you with sticks for slacking.

OK but Jefferson was a literal slaveowner who had debatably consensual sex with his slaves.

I didn't say you should be his fucking boyfriend, m8. He had a lot of good ideas, and I posted one of them.

Catgirl drawfag made this.

If you're here, please do Marxian Economist Wolff-man.

She already did.

Oc pls r8.

Pretty good, famrade

Shit work on the text at the top. The rest is acceptable enough. 3/10, apply yourself.

Top kek, this please.

It was intentional.

Too avant-garde for me.

Then intentionally fix it.

I call this one "Austic Virgin Holla Forums mod"

kek. but seriously, this


Don't do that. You'll attract a shit crowd.

kek, what's the original?

I think it's a parody of xkcd.

That is the original. It's a parody of this webcomic: xkcd.com

i know that, what i meant was which comic in particular? arent they numbered?

It's just making fun of xkcd in general.

It mocks the style of the comic, not a particular one of them.

I don't think it's a parody of any particular comic. It isn't an edit of an existing comic, since that obviously wasn't drawn by Randall.

4/pol/ helped the Russians bomb ISIS positions not once but twice. Sorry but they definitely have the edge.


An ancap ancom? Capcom?

You are more than a little confused, friendo.

Have another


Reminder Alunya is non-sectarian

This. The red and black isn't that she's ancom, it's more like the red and black flag together.

real time decentralised planning will be far better than the pseudoscientific vagaries of the "market"

Is this the hot new meme?

Oc pls r8.

buttmad af

Then your inefficiencies and lost utility will be created in real time.
Memeing aside, I don't think planned socialism is the worst thing on Earth, and I'd rather have it than capitalism. But I think that, as long as production of basic necessities requires a significant amount of human labor, that markets are superior. They provide mechanisms for funneling capital into production that society as a whole views as more useful, without requiring any conscious effort to do so. That said, I'm not one of those "markets are perfect" people–any system has advantages and disadvantages, and any system can break down if subjected to certain stresses.
If and when we get to a technological level where only a trivial amount of labor is necessary materially reproduce society, I'm all for planning. Until then, I'm not.

Go to bed, Randall.

*necessary to materially reproduce society

7/10 decent

Inaccurate, you see, it's perfectly feasible to be both a smug intellectualist vanguard and aggressively pander to literal stupidity.

Well we're sending some comrades over to fight ISIS with the YPG. Checkmate Holla Forums.

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lel they just banned catgirl drawfriend from /r/socialism

lol

It's been part of socialist thinking since the 19th century

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

walkingbutterfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/participatory-planning-michael-albert-robin-hahnel.pdf

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parecon

If Chile could do it pre-internet, why the fuck can't we today?

now she has more time to make catgirls for us

I know that.

They couldn't.

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Can the next leftypol prank be to pool capital for an ethical NGO third world troll factory to swamp these goons? I'm tired of their shit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually fascinated by the subject, I'm obsessed with the Soviet cyberneticians and how they could have changed socialism. It's just that I've seen it mentioned a fair bit here lately as a magic bullet a la FALC.


Catgirls, why not catboys, am I right?

We really should have some qt revolutionary catboys though.

I'm fine with cute catboys.

They never got the chance to properly use it, thanks to ebin helicopter man. But it had some use and immense promise, even for a very primitive effort.

jacobinmag.com/2015/04/allende-chile-beer-medina-cybersyn/

How do you cointelpro the cointelpro? really gets your creative nothings flowing.

a nice idea might be to somehow get an account in good-standing with the mods by sucking their metaphorical dicks. Perhaps these accounts could stir shit by "reporting" on random other accounts by erroneously claiming harrassment in PMs, with faked screenshots and all. Not sure if the mods have any way to verify, so if its done carefully, to targets that arent obviously innocent it could really stir up shit

Entryism you say?

I unironically like xkcd. plsnobully

My understanding of modern feminism is that it's focused on essentially restructuring culture such that any existing bias on basis of gender, whether sub-conscious or not, is eliminated.

If there are any new friends lurking, I don't think the majority of the board opposes that general idea, but rather feels that such a complete evolution would be extremely slow, and additionally that many of these cultural notions are deeply connected with material analyses that get left out of most contemporary feminist analyses.

But since we are an anonymous image board, it's easy to equate the views of a few very loud shitposters with our entire user-base. So in general, I don't think new users should trust anything that is said to be "/leftpol/'s opinion,"; advice that rings true for any user image-board.

Nothing actually wrong with that, but don't underestimate the sheer raw libarts kid pathos on here

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>pathos, am i saying that right? pathos?
stemtards are pathetic


beholden baby. that's capitalism for you. if you don't like it, welp,

how extra fucking retarded must you be to think this

pure fucking liberalism

People there are talking about also donating to Wolff now. Was our moment in the limelight really worth potentially promoting that dump on Reddit?

I mean at least the money is going to a good cause.

He says, dragging around an inferiority complex the size of New Jersey

Nope

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I know about Cybersyn, and yes, I agree that it's fascinating.
But planning with artificial markets is the worst of both worlds. You lose the main benefit of planning, since not all workers are entitled to the same basket of goods anymore–instead, they get paid. But the money is just a signaling mechanism to tell the planners how closely the plan matches the people's preferences. However, because market forces aren't determining people's incomes, this signaling is, by its very nature, distorted, because there's no way of knowing if you're "paying enough." And you have to deal with the problem of price-setting, which just complicates things further.
In my opinion, either have planning or have markets, but don't try to reconcile the two, because it's impossible to do in a way that even approaches rationality.

It's always the same guy bitching about the sokal affair, as if anyone's critique of the bourgeois standstill sciences actually reduced to one guy getting nonsense published

SJWs are nothing if not money-hungry. I bet there are loads of people on r/socialism with Paterons.

Sounds like a win-win

If we want to subvert /r/socialism, we should find every modern leftist with even a shred of relevency. Sort through their work to find any place where they used the word "Stupid", create a bunch of wishy washy liberal articles about why they are awful, and why they need to self-criticize, and then use /r/socialism as the platform to boycott and make them "do not post" material.
We also need to stalk everyone who posts there who also posts on anime subreddits, and get them banned, because liberals have a stick up their ass about anime.

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We shouldn't bother. It makes us look like bogeymen to the sincere socialists on there, and requires a lot of time and effort to do little more than piss off the ruling clique of pseudocialists, netting us nothing useful.

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this
we should just provide a better platform and elevate our status as online socialist community

/r/ing you're golden webm

gotcha fam

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I think it was already posted.

settle down amadeo

what? They're ears aren't Felis Catus, They're obviously all Panthera Catgirls. no domesticated animals here.

They're assholes. If anything, they're wild animals who are just together enough (or psychotic enough) to rein in their worst tendencies in exchange for humans giving them food.

NO U!

wew lass

Accuse them of marginalizing furries, that should do 'em in. Use the word "fursecution" unironically.

WEW

he's not wrong, we're LITERALLY SHAKING whenever we see women because we're /r9k/ in disguise. Right guys?

fucking redditors i hate them so much

I honestly don't know what a sincere socialist would be doing in a shithole like that.
There's only cointelpro, petit-bourgeois kids whom sincerely believe the left it's just idpol and mentally ill faggots over there. Not a single "sincere socialist" to be seem.

There were a couple people defending us in the RDW thread on r/socialism that was linked. Why would they do that if they weren't sincere?

jej

Reddit mods are notorious for their circlejerk networking backchannels. I don't think infiltrating the mod team is feasible.
Agitating the userbase might work, from the ban discussions that have been posted it looks like the mods are smug assholes. How you agitate without getting banned is the question. Can reddit mods hand out IP bans?

I saw some guy there claiming that the anti-anti-ableism posters were 4chan trolls, by which he might have meant us. If we could get them to start making claims like 'those leftypol sinners are the ones pushing for free discussion!', or 'those leftypol pigs don't even want to ban women for drawing catgirls!' it would work in our favour.

imgur.com/a/ATM0E
This had 1000 respondents, so take it as you will.

I don't have a lot of hope. To become a mod of one of these subteddits these days means you have to be a lowly spineless worm that's cowed by any threat of being "called out" and you must also be willing to join the pitchfork mob, either actively or with passive deference, and just do that for years.

I don't have much hope of getting people to openly question moderation on a subreddit either. Its never worked before. At best, you'll get a lot of bans and discontents drifting away– and some of them might end up here. Others might end up in other camps that are skeptical of their moderation philosophy, not necessarily on the left. The mods won't chang. For their part they will throw away socialism in an existing form to build their little bouncy castle that's comfortable for them.

cool story anons

fucken saved

Her creator has said so more than once.

i was at the rd wolff talk in person. Guarantee pretty much no-one there knew what leftypol was

So?

Welp, you've dragged RDW into your 20-something leftist battles.


I hope you're happy making Grandpa choose sides. The left wasn't fractured enough as it was.

Way to be a pessimist.

What do you think he is?

He can make he own choices but he'll have to defend his choices. Will he choose us or the identitarians?

r/socialism is imploding on itself right now, lots of people seem to be getting fed up with the mod team censoring 'ableism'. Hopefully, r/socialism cleans up the identity politics and refocuses on class and socialism as the name would fucking suggest.

To who? Shitposters on leddit? Who gives a fuck. Worst case scenario, they ask him not to accept our funding in the future. He can tell them "no" and it will have no repercussions.

He doesn't have to choose shit. He talks about cooperative, he can leave autistic idpol aside by ignoring it, you know, like we want to.

>reddit mods doing anything
As a former moderator on reddit subreddit I find that hard to believe. I'm just glad I'm far away from that cancer

Apparently r/socialism is in a bit of a shambles right now. People are openly questioning the moderators, and bans are flying thick and fast.
Maybe some of the discontents will come here. I wouldn't mind that. I'd still bully them, though.

Linking these posts here because it's important. If any /r/socialism motherfuckers try to harangue RDW, just show him this shit and he'll take our side in a hot second. It's the most fucking revolting thing I've ever seen SJWs say.

Fuck off, keep it in its own thread.

Where did everybody get the idea that RDW gave a fuck about us?

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fucking this. Cats are egoist exemplars

If anything /r/socialism would be dragging him into our leftist battles.

uncool post faggot

how about he won't give a shit as long as he's paid by plebs to hold events and speeches?

In the future, will RDW comment on the fact pricklycactus is still a mod?

Thanks

It was just a joke fam, since when is fun not allowed here?

besides re-read your cap specifically the tl;dr;… I interpret Alunya like pic-related in my post above.

Neat

like a proper leftist RDW will take whatever money, say thanks to whoever gave it to him, and the do whatever he wants with it

But I love them so much ;_;

Hey comrade what's your second clip from?

The answer is a resounding no. I just came here (not because of the RDW vid) but just over time I have spent more and more here than on lefty reddit.


Too much "woe is me" idpol going on there, I just had to leave, way too toxic

So much butthurt in that thread.

/our guy/

It's scary how accurate that picture is.

For those out of the loop, catgrill drawfag got banned from /r/socialism. Here's the deleted exchange. Handsomejack94 is the mod that banned her. Second pic is the reasoning. Leftist reddit is brewing a shitstorm about this and subsequent bannings. We're having a thread about it over here

Fixed cropping error.

I seriously can't believe they searched her out like that lol

It's be one thing if she posted the comics there– but she didn't. The mods investigated her.

You know what's the worst thing about this? I bet 100% that poster is some virgin male feminist who has no idea what feminism is even about.

fuggen dis
youtube.com/watch?v=mGC3uJadXh0

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What will you do if Wolff sides with reddit and proclaims catgirls woman hater objectification?

Die inside.

Next Week:

Who of you guys is harassing reddit shitposters? kek

Here is an idea!
How about a reddit catgirl that doesn't accept the fact she's a cat girl and so on and is a critic of reddit in general??

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oh my sweet child, if you only knew….

"They're an interesting group of people."

♥♥♥♥ALPHA WOLFF♥♥♥♥

Holy shit what a bunch of dickheads

Kek this shit is literally on the front page of reddit. We did it guise!

To be fair the shitfest it generated over there is worht it.

Best money I ever spent

Holla Forums reached out and created a bridge into a more mainstream medium. This is constructive and there is no reason to react the way you are.

I don't know, sorry.

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So plebbit's this mad at our successful agit prop while they concurrently fall into an even deeper vortex of """self-critical""" nihilistic despair? Nice.

Link?

reddit dot com/

I don't see any mention of it. Could it be that they use that system of your browsing and search history determine what appear on the front page?

Wow, there is no mention of this or us at all.

But Volvo actually released their new TF2 comic. So I guess I'm going to check that out instead.

it's number 16, last time I checked. The one about public criticism of leaders.

you need to go to /r/all probably

This, exactly.

It's not there. At least tell us which subreddit it is.

whoever runs the democracy at work youtube channel actually thanked us in the comments section.

Subreddit drama.
It's about the leadership post on r/socialism
Bonus:
reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nr0e8/sharing_my_perspective_on_things_thatve_been/
ceddit.com/r/socialism/new

thanks.

Holy fucking shit.

dumb, dumber, r/socialism mods

are we, dare I say, the elite units of the online leftist community

They have a ton of subscribers, but I don't think they have nearly that many active users. r/socialism is a shitstorm right now, yet they're sitting at around 1,200 users currently visiting.
I suspect a lot of people subscribed to r/socialism to get good boy points with the SJW circlejerk, and then never bothered looking at it again.

Oh, look another hysterical SJW with absurdly unreal standards of morality. I say let those who have never boinked a 14yo gal who is the best friend of your daughter of the same age and also your slave cast the first stone.

So…I guess I can cast a stone, then.

Half of these subscribers are bots, the other half slacktivist, who think by subscribing to r/socialism they are doing something.

lel
r/socialism mods are """""on strike""""" at just the same time that someone is trying to stir up half/pol/ to shitpost there. Gosh, what a coincidence, I wonder who could be behind it all.

HEY, user WHO MADE THE 8CH.PL RDW THREAD, DELETE IT, LOTS OF FUCKERY ABOUT FROM HALF/POL/. WE DON'T WANT THEM COMING HERE FROM 8CH.PL.

That mysogynist, ableist, reactionary cunt!

This! I can think much faster since I took an axe to my brain to decentralize my signals.

The point is that markets don't have a single point of failure. Their distributed nature makes them resistant to bad signals, which lets capital and consumer goods be priced at levels that will (usually) result in optimal social utility.

stop posting any day now

Already knew that, famalam. I'm not a Marxist, though, so I don't hold to the Marxian labor theory of value.

Markets are failure. They are constantly failing, except you've been conditioned to believe that this is how "working" should look like.

No, it doesn't. Market bubbles happen all the time.

The opposite is explicitly true, which should be obvious to anyone who is not worshipping The Invisible Hand. Use value is different from exchange value.

This doesn't make you invulnerable to the economic laws. You are still overpaying for goods, you are still forced to buy low-quality goods, you are still being exploited by the employer.

I'm not talking about markets under capitalism, I'm talking about market mechanisms, divorced from private property and its effects.

Yes, markets are not perfectly efficient. However, they can be more efficient than planning, and usually are, because planning lacks signaling mechanisms. That's always been my point. The most efficient economic system would be a telepathic computer that could weigh each individual's qualitative and heterogeneous utilities that different goods and services provide, and match it against a complete index of society's resources, capital, and labor. But we can't do that, so our choices are markets and planning. After capitalism is abolished, I'd be fine with either, but I'd prefer markets. Don't start with that "markets = capitalism" shit, I know you want to, but don't.

"Use value" isn't value, Marxist. :^)

Memeing aside, on the issue of value, I'm a marginalist, though I think the early marginalists were more correct; they saw utility as something that couldn't be quantified, or at least not reliably quantified, even through money. Later Austrian school economists just thought "price = marginal utility :::DDDD"

I haven't been to Holla Forums in a few months, but I popped by after seeing the recent idioticy on /r/socialism and them blaming you guys for the evils of catgirls.

What happened besides this dude giving a speech? Was there some change to the moderation here?

So you put all the food you consume in a blender?

No, the board is just in a bit of a tizzy due to the RDW video we sponsored, and due to the recent shitstorm on r/socialism.
Moderation here has been pretty hands-off and pretty consistent for as long as I can remember. If you have concerns, bring them up in the moderation feedback sticky.

Only if the blender has an etched engraving of Jevons on it. :^)

PHASE 1 COMPLETE

INITIATE PHASE 2

Having been away for a while, I don't have any concerns yet.

But when I used to hang out here, the moderation was very hands off, just the way it should be.

I didn't donate but I got a giddy shiver up my spine when he said LEFYPOL

thanks to those who did :)

Which changes exactly nothing. Markets under Socialism are called State Capitalism for a reason.

Even clusterfuck of a decentralized planning in revisionist USSR was clunking along more efficiently than Capitalist states.

Yes, Planning can (in theory) be mismanaged. But you need to sabotage it deliberately. It's like car and horse. You can kill yourself, if you crash at 200 km/h in the wall, but this doesn't make horse better choice.

That's not how it works. Planning has more signalling mechanisms. If you want something in the market you can either buy it or not buy it. And the producer will know the result only after he produces things.

Planning has the same signalling mechanism - and others, in addition to it. You know, the ones that allow to predict things that will happen in the future, not predict what happened a few weeks ago - as market mechanism does.

But that's the crux of the problem. If you want to Socialism, you need to socialize economy. And you can do it only with the power of the Almighty State, by managing thing centrally.

Stop breathing then.

P.s. I should probably explain that Planning IRL is far removed from your "manage everything" idea (which is retarded; Soviets managed - planned - less than 100 commodities, IIRC), and most of consumer goods weren't planned in any way. This Central Planning people imagine is no different from the dreaded Socialization of Women people have been accusing Communists of since forever.

No, he's said some pretty unkind things about how markets work in the past. He just thinks that worker cooperatives are the most important way to transition away from capitalism.

I'm talking about worker cooperatives operating in a market economy, not about state-run enterprise and artificial markets (i.e., the Soviet model). The latter has the worst of both worlds, in my opinion.

I guess that depends on how participatory and how granular the process is for coming up with the plan. Yes, you could rely on people's individual preferences, through some directly democratic process where people submit a list of their desired goods and services. But markets are more immediately responsive (both to new needs and to changing priorities), and this kind of planning can introduce problems, where people either don't think about everything they'll need, or misestimate the quantities. Though, to be fair, those problems with planning will probably be overcome as people get more used to assessing and prioritizing their needs in that way.

Yes, but he's continuously producing, so quotas and sales models can be continuously changed. Plans, by their nature, must cover a distinct set of time, and while you may be able to recognize shortages and surpluses during the plan's lifetime, it's not going to be as quick to change, especially if your planning was done on a directly democratic basis.

No, it doesn't. Markets use price. Planning doesn't have that. And if you're advocating planning with money and prices, that's a whole other can of worms (that I think I discussed earlier in the thread, too).

Impossible, both as a matter of physics and as a practical reality. You can get reasonable guesses at best, but in markets, the guesses are continuous, so there's no lower limit on the rapidness with which changes can be implemented. With planning, there is.

Hey, I'm just going by Marx on that one. Value isn't utility isn't price.

I don't have a particularly concrete idea of how planning would/should go, comr8. I imagined a typical, hierarchical set of local, regional, and national planning committees coming up with an annual production plan, but I didn't go much beyond that.

Then can you elaborate on the planning model you have in mind?

Give me a little credit, I'm not one of those retards.

What talk are these ones from?

I don't know, sorry.

No.

There is no one "Soviet model". There are several models: War Communism, NEP, "Stalinist" economy, Khrushchev Revisionism, Brezhnev Revisionism, and Perestroika.

I'm talking about "Stalinist", obviously. But it had co-ops that operated within market economy (eradicated in late 1950s by revisionists), so I'm not sure what you mean. Kosygin reforms?

How? Explain to me what mechanism Market has, Planning doesn't.

Nope-nope-nope. First and foremost, plans are priorities. You have general goals (build industrial cluster that will produce something; which means you need hydro plant there and nuclear power plant here;), the rest are guidelines. It's obviously more complicated than that, but it's not some inflexible time-table you have to follow to the letter or everything goes kaput.

Democracy sets goals and gives promises ("we promise to produce that much of this stuff, so you can count on us", for example). The rest is job of managers.

Planning can use price. It's just inefficient to be bound by price alone (which is the curse of market). Which is why markets go belly-up without finance (it exists to circumvent problems price causes).

If I order car next year, producer can be certain that he can sell car to me.

There isn't one set "planning".

First phase would be NEP-like State Capitalism with pre-existing corporations being managed by state and overseen by people's commissars (grass-root investigations - RabKrIn, if you know what I mean). That could take 5-10 years, depending on circumstances. It should be easier to manage today, but we have less actual (non-cultist) economists.

Second phase would be actual Socialism (what I often call "Soviet model", implying apex of USSR economy - which is generally referred to as Stalinist economy; hence my icon), with centrally-planned economy doing the heavy lifting (industrial goods, infrastructure, most of research, medicine, some basic consumer goods). Co-ops are a minor factor (overseen by state; mostly consumer goods; 5-10% of economy). That could last 20 years easy. Probably more, since we don't have a concrete idea on what should be done after, other than "create more productive forces".

Third phase would be transition to actual Communism, with more and more goods being freely (or "socially", so as to differentiate from unreasonable demands) available.

This is Holla Forums.

Yes. Read Lenin.

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You can believe in LTV and think markets are fine. The law of value, on the other hand, has been undermined by capital accumulation centralizing capitalist economies.

That's a cute strawman, but no, when people say "state capitalism", they are generally referring to the failure to eliminate exploitative production arrangements. State capitalism is when you replace the capitalist with a bureaucrat, leaving an authoritarian relationship between surplus value creator and surplus value appropriator intact.

Don't forget, a ban doesn't stop you from being subscribed.

Are you braindead? There is only one definition of State Capitalism within Marxism. Lenin coined it decades before the anti-Marxist crowd.

Your bullshit State Capitalism was invented by Shachtman - the guy who literally needed to it to say that Soviets were worse than Nazi and eventually even stopped self-identifying as Marxist.

Looking through all the leddit threads and shit, having a bit of a giggle. Can't believe the /r/socialism mod team was autistic enough to tear itself to pieces in response to our sponsorship mention. It almost as if they recognized our good deed and decided to reward us.

Imagine if this retarded chain of events lead to the revolution.

The based Holla Forums vanguard could train elite Redditors as master soldiers, equipped with razorblade fedoras (like Oddjob's hat from 007 Nightfire).

Also literally just got this captcha. Is this a sign, comrades? Does the future lie within Reddit?

The future lies with anime catgirls.

nice trips.

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Yet another sign that's it is destined to be, comrades. The idea to do a sponsorship that came to me when I was sat in the bath will be the origin point of the revolution, just wait and see.

WE DID IT, LADS

oh boy, did they try

It never ceases to amaze me how delusional tankies can be.

Okay, now I understand why they put idpol ahead of class conflict

marxists.org/archive/mandel/1969/08/statecapitalism.htm

the what now?

kek

Retards who are trolling (or genuinely stupid) occasionally come here and claim that "socializing the means of production" somehow also means that women will be herded and used sexually by men as a resource.

That's silly. They can't possibly compete with automated waifus.

this tbh

That gogglebox shit?

>liking 2d girls with garbage and bland character that made for capitalist bullshit like 50$-100$ dildos of the andimay girl so you can shove it up your ass.

Also anyone newfags here my welcoming post to you:
Welcome to our gay orgy, you're in here forever.

hello everyone richard wolff sent me here

Welcome
Are you new to Holla Forums?

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Ye. I've heard of it and been on a couple times, mostly to glance at this board, but I've never really used it. I used to use 4chan back in highschool

I'm not a leftcom, we just have the same name. Im a Tiqqunista

what the fuck is a tiqqunista

check it

tiqqunista.jottit.com/

State-issued girlfriends. One of the main points of anti-Communist propaganda from the time before Stalin's dictatorship and "State Capitalism" were invented.

Newspapers were explaining to people that evil Bolsheviks were following Marxist dogma that required to put all females into rape camps or something.

IRL this meant no-fault divorce, maternity leaves, and so on. Stuff that West eventually adopted itself by the 70s.

Do you have anything to say?

Thank you, I'll check it out when I get some spare time!

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Nice joke

Are you calling it a flawless system?


Got any literature on economic data?

We have won

Moustacheposter is a tireless guy. I want to be like him when I grow up.

seriously, I'm looking forward to his wall of text posts for the pure shitstorm effect
until he starts to preach diamat

is 8ch glitchy for anyone else right now?

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first as tragedy, then as farce

lol, so we're celebrating a handful of normies maybe coming across the board, seeing how autistic we are, then leaving?

Beat it pleb.

It'll be around 100k views in a month or two, general public doesn't like to watch hour long videos.

Man, I'm not sure how to feel about this.

We're pretty niche.

It's the sort of face he would genuinely make after discussing, say, Volkswagon cheating on their environmental standards.

Holla Forumstards wish they had a highly educated and informed economist to represent their cause.

Instead they're stuck with shit like Sargon and Alex Jones.

Sargon isn't a Holla Forumsyp.

The Overton window has moved so much to the right that current liberals are old conservatives, and current conservatives are Ustasha apologists.

This

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SOMEONE GET THIS TO CATGIRL DRAWFAG

I´ts not your fault Mr. Wolff, a tear yes since co-ops can´t be build by these autists.

This.

Just take over pepe, this lazy leftists don´t deserve a second look. No praxis at all.

But that's exactly what it is about.

just so it doesn't look like this idea has overwhelming suppot, I think this idea sounds bad and isn't fun.

catgirl unbanned?!?!

So the implication is that she was unbanned because more women on the mod team decided to unban a fellow woman, not that she was unbanned because the reason she was banned in the first place was dogshit. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that these weasels managed to worm their way out of responsibility.

These people need to be executed.

done, two seconds

fuck, the password I chose, rdwolff69, doesn't seem to work…
I'll flood the front page then with more flood

DAMN!

Sounds rather petty.

Well, you could call anarcho-hohzaism a petty parody too…

Or as a rather funny parody of all the special snowflakism in the left.

This. It is a cool thing, but nothing to use Caps Lock about.

Make us

TRY AND STOP ME, QUADS.

This. He also panders to Trump supporters for clicks, which is pretty pitiful. When he said he liked Bernie Sanders during the primary, his viewers sperged out something fierce & he promptly never did that again.

(cheka'd)
It's a shame that Sargon has almost totally collapsed into pandering for clicks. Watching him spew red scare alarmism about Corbyn and shamelessly shill for Theresa May is surreal, when I consider the blistering indictments against Tory class war (his words!) he used to issue:
youtube.com/watch?v=TqnwUSevgo4

Freedom & Democracy - Live Stream w/ Wolff, Snowden, Jeremy Scahill, and others

actually the only thing I wasn't on board with was the question about directors. While I agree with sortition and rotation. He failed to mention that the group democracy would never be a constant decision making process, but a constant organisation of the system for decision making.

Take the hospital example, almost everything in a hospital happens by procedure and protocol. There is no real reason why these protocols could not be brought about by a democratic process.

Although I can see where there could some instances of needing a split second decision, I don't honestly think they are all that often in a well managed hospital. They are after all buildings designed specifically to cater for as many of the common ailments as possible.

Where there is an anomaly is an exception to the rule and, usually, as he says, these will not be emergency situations.

Although in the true emergency I do recognise the need to devolve to an instant decision maker.

This is how decisions were often made on pirate ships according to David Graeber who was talking about someone elses work, so this is third hand information, but basically every decision on a pirate ship was taken by show of hands, they all voted in the sharing of loot and, critically, the captain only assumed full control in the event of a storm or a battle, his control was immediately terminated after this.

Not uniform, but this was supposedly the most common way to organise a pirate ship. Basically most pirates were ex navy so they were all heavily opposed to military hierarchy

Wrong thread.
I agree with you, though.

ah shit

comrades that malaysian fucker is at it again

remember when youre a child and your parents told you to be aware of crazy people?
he's the crazy people now.

Best you avoid those crazy people.

hahahah, you're funny
why don't you google search him and post some of his art here?

i hear he does commissions, but everyone in Holla Forums gets triggered by his art

Are you trying to be smart?

What I'm saying is that Planning is an improvement over Free Market.

Check >>>/marx/
Ismail has quite a lot of literature about USSR in English.

Lol

Stop sucking cock any day now

Not him, but you're retarded if you think your pic is a reasonable representation of the Soviet economy.

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What happens if "State" can't spend the money, but can only re-invest it or give it back to workers?

Then there is no point for the state to take it in the first place

I like how they do not admit fault.

That's literally how coherent that meme is.

Not every dip shitweb designers are the same person. I don't give a fuck about making /leftpol/ "better."

Use 0chan if you don't like it here.

As for Anonboard that's not for random shit posting. It would be used for actually organizing between interconnected groups.

Version one is right around the corner.

Wow, that's mean.
Couldn't help but kek. That's is some teenage-drama meangirl shit.

How is this not "brocialism"?

It's guilt by association, hatred of women has some objective standard yes? Then it shouldn't matter who is arguing for or against.
just kidding I know feminists define hatred of women as what ever their feelings tell them it is

Aw yee

Don`t you mean vanguard?

Low-effort bait.

r/Socialism mods have an entitlement complex

i always thought Holla Forums was a dead board but apparently i've been going to the wrong one? this one seems way more active

That "dead board" message was to throw off people coming from halfchan to raid us. This is the legit board.

It was a joke to troll Holla Forumsacks, especially halfchanners.

Notice what's missing? Hint: PRIVATE PROPERTY

>>>Holla Forums

I agree.

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Addendum: Turns out I actually have a PDF of that book on my hard drive. After searching it for "private property," it looks like the book (which is a collection of essays) is basically ancap. They don't use the term "private property" in the way that leftists use the term, and instead seem to use it simply in the colloquial sense and in contrast to "public property."
So I take it back. You were right. You still judged it solely by its cover, though.
All this just cements my view that we need a better term for "private property." The only decent one I've heard of is "impersonal property." I've seen people call it simply "Property" (always capitalized), and I once considered using the term "exploitative property" or "exprop," but thought it wasn't a great replacement term.

Further addendum: Looks like they shy away from defining "capitalism," and the closest they get is a wish-washy line about "economic elites exerting social dominance via the state," as if capitalism depends on the state. (It doesn't, any more than feudalism did.) So it looks like it's a collection of "anarchists" who were purely anti-statist and not proper socialists, who then went on to defend markets explicitly, and capitalism implicitly–presumably, in both cases, from proper anarchists.
What a shame.

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W e w

Great contribution. I actually read the threads I post in, though, so there's no need. Also,

1. I can't read hundreds of pages in enough time to get a good response to a thread. I wanted to see if he was right after a quick glance. I do intend to fully read the book, hence why I had it in my "stuff to read" folder.
2. I'm actually quite pro-market. I'm a libertarian market socialist.

Is this thread cyclical?

No, just a sticky.

Think it should be?

No. This is a single event. Cyclicals make more sense for ongoing events or permanent general topics of discussion that need a containment thread.

Hey, sack off making the imageboard for a bit and fully automate reddit's hotpocket vanguard socialism.

They've said they'll cave and turn the place into a democratic sub, but "when the software is ready". They're waiting for outrage to die down and then they're going to quietly discard it. We should do it for free.

Here is everything they say they're going to do:
reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nzazt/our_collective_response_to_the_petition/

Reminder to always plaintext reddit links. Also check this out:

They've moved on to the progressive stack. They call us liberals but they're literally using positive discrimination over meritocracy and democracy.

Who wants to bet that they're white guys pretending to be minorities to hold on to power?

democracy is a meme

Fucking leftcom-Trudeau thought

Democracy is a mathematical method of accepting or rejecting proposals. It's also the cornerstone of socialism. So get the fuck out.

Ha. It's a quote from an r/socialism mod during the discord last night.

Disgusting, but not surprising. Got a link?

I wasn't recording myself but I think I saw a post here with an mp3 of at least some of the chat.

loling at u lefty nerds

who austrian here?

If you're referring to RD Wolff, he's not rolling around in cash or trying to get rich

Learn economics :^)

I said something about chan culture attracting fucking idiots, and a mod replied "please don't use that word"

Who even cares if he was? He's helping to out our message and thats the important thing. Contrary to popular right-wing belief socialism/communism isn't all about hating people living plush lifestyles but about abolishing the system that keeps a tiny minority living well and the rest of humanity in poverty. If Wolff is successful great, he would actually deserve it unlike other neoliberal hacks. No amount of asceticism could be a replacement for revolution anyway, so trying to police consumption and make it ethical is really a dead end.

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god that kid is creepy. I hate this image.

They censor the words "stupid," "dumb," "idiot," etc. They call it "ableism." As if the word "stupid" can only refer to mentally handicapped people, rather than people of normal intelligence who do and say things unintelligent things out of poor judgment.

Literally the worst economic "school"

For all the shit Marxism gets on account of historical determinism, I'm always absolutely astounded that supply-siders haven't been completely chased out of every reputable institution after Praxeology became well understood by its critics. Totally Scientology-tier.

Should all kill yourself, death to reddit.

Also post cuck porn. I need it for mockery.
Nothing I love more than seeing a big black dick for mockery.

pathetic as always filth, does it fill you with impotent commie rage to know your ideology will never be put into effect again?

and another thing pinko filth, dont talk shit about me or the eternal twelve year reich ever again!!

THEY ARE DELAYING NEW ANNOUCEMENTS REGARDING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO NEXT WAVE OF DRAMA TO KICK OFF JUST AS THE J20 PROTESTS GIVE THEM A HUGE TRAFFIC SPIKE!

WE ARE FUCKING ABOVE Holla Forums

don't fight us Holla Forums. You know what happened last time.

You actually think we get triggered by you being here? You're like the nigger of the site that we love to laugh at.

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CY+2?

Current year plus two I assume

I miss "exposing the emerald empire".

Breddy gud

caveposting/10

Beautiful.

I think I will unsticky this. Any objections?

FIX THE TOP BAR

test

Oldfag here from 2015 stopped using early 2016.

Well done I must say, you're going to be getting some attention from this, brought me back to have a look I guess. I wonder if the r/Socialism shit is bringing people here to, might shill here.

Yeah we've made r/soc mods so paranoid with just a little bit of meddling they've attempted to use their subscriber base as a front against us, even telling people to raid us in their ban messages.

I should add that this paranoia was tipped over the edge with the RDW cast, which was the catalyst for all sorts of insanity.

Neh, all is basically said and done.

That's fine, I think it's been long enough.

Man, and those raids man.

Fuck, they were sad.

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No objections

This is what we all needed to know. Fuck the report queue.

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