Why are genetics considered to be such a big deal? Low eyesight through crappy genes is easily fixed for example. It seems like a lot of discourse is wasted upon calling some group genetically inferior as if that wins a debate or justifies a policy. If an actual genetic inferiority were to be present, it would be a problem for medicine to solve, not a basis for discrimination or whatever.
On the other hand, culture seems to be perceived as something that can be easily changed. But this is also untrue, try unfucking the mind of a Scientology member for example, good luck with that.
Genetics could be reprogrammed with near future technology but fucked cultures seem very hard to repair. Seems to me like the problem potential of the two has been mixed up.
Great job ruining your own argument, the Scientology member's mind didn't START OUT fucked
Kevin Foster
Most of their members are born in the faith. It's also not like you can't be indoctrinated into a culture at a later point in your life.
Jacob Nguyen
Nobodies mind starts out as anything but the structures imprinted into the mind are harder to take care of than some genetic influences that might be present, that is the argument.
Josiah Sanders
Both are important. A correct balance of genetics and memetics (culture) at the service of communism is the key, and I see no reason why technology can't help us with these issues.
Jaxon Smith
But how is genetics important for communism? Does it need some kind of eugenics program? If so, why? Most people are healthy and in control of their mental faculties, I'd put the focus clearly on culture.
Julian Ross
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Daniel Jenkins
I can't answer that question, I'm a biologist but as far as I know there is no enough information to be certain whether communism is actually going to work out given the gene pool available or we are going to need to re-design humans to a certain extent.
Nathan Reed
If a different human nature were necessary for communism to work then it won't. You'd need some enormous incentive to motivate the capitalists to invest the resources to create the technology necessary to accomplish such a redesign. Since communism is all about taking away their power, they won't do that.
It would be more productive to look for an alternative to capitalism that can work with current humanity if that were the case. No idea what that would be though.
Alexander Taylor
I'm not sure if the internet is such a good thing, it's radicalising people in all directions. For every communist you guys convert, the nazis and ancaps are getting 2 members. This whole thing might just lead to fights between various radicals that have irreconcilable, almost religiously held ideals while the capitalists are rubbing their hands in the background.
Wyatt Harris
So you think there won't be a revolution and seize of the means of production?
Christian Diaz
I agree and I have though that myself, that's why I think we need to design artificial intelligences to fight for us on-line.
Evan Harris
I'm not sure, there might be. But if that happens, would the workers actually maintain control of it long enough to do such a large scale project? Would they even want to?
I can't shake the feeling that the appropriation of the means of production won't be a glamorous thing, more of a spree of plundering and murder like in those black street riots.
They arent considered a big deal, it is just that cucks like Holla Forumstards with 0 control over their life much rather have daddy tell them what to do than think for themselves.
And now that their daddy isnt a brainless Holla Forumstard they just blindly follow genes or nature to justify their shitty choices adn remove responsibility for them.
Literally the most stupid cucks on the planet
Thomas Powell
The technological context can be created to overcome our genetic limitations, if once reach a certain level the system still unstable then eugenics might be needed.
Jackson Bennett
Think of virtual reality for example. They say it is 'human nature' to be greedy, what if you can virtually provide any good or service (want a virtual mansion? a holiday?, sex? waifu?) to have satisfied the masses, another mean to overcome such genetic predisposition.
Connor Rogers
Literally ZERO 'discourse' is wasted on this. Holla Forums types make a simple, indisputable claim, that genes are an important factor in somebody's traits and personality, and left/pol/ types flip their shit and deny genes have any such effect.
Adam Foster
Holla Forums types are mostly I think insecure cunts who use the internet to bully and get a sense of confidence.
Nathan Richardson
Genes are nothing more than a predisposition, that doesnt make them something to be followed, that doesnt make them important.
The only people who consider them important are the ones who need to justify their choices in life or lack thereof but because they lack the brains to do so they just jump "i just doz what nature tells me cuz i am an animal with no free will".
Life is way easier if you believed you have no control and have to follow shit
Gavin Johnson
wew lad
Jeremiah Allen
I didn't say we're all slaves to our genes. Simply that 'genes are an important factor in one's personality'. I mean the influence is broader than just personality, your physical traits and intelligence are largely affected by genetics too. Surely you accept this?
Jose Bailey
Which one is that, that blacks are inherently inferior to whites, or that genes are the source of culture?
Genes were discovered first so they have historical inertia and are better understood than memes. They also are very easy to grasp at their most basic. Anybody can understand dominant vs. recessive and a punnet square. Memes are a new frontier and people's understanding of memetics is… well… meme-tier.
Jaxon Reyes
You know damn well that Holla Forums uses these supposed differences to argue for fascism, segregation, ethnic cleansing, oppression etc.
Jacob Edwards
Genetics is literally what sets us apart from other animals.
Justin Edwards
Not it's having thumbs and complex brains.
Adam Hall
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Cooper Lopez
Complex brain detected
Liam Howard
You do not need to have thumbs to have a complex brain.
Birds and Octopi do it just fine.
In fact given enough time after an extinction event, birds would probably replace us.
Using a combination of one foot on their beaks to manipulate objects.
Tyler Rodriguez
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Zachary James
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Carter Thomas
Can you draw this bird scenario for me AnFam? I'll be nice to you for 1 week if you do.
Michael Clark
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Brandon Sullivan
Actually
William Robinson
Cool! I love how smart corvids are, it's cute.
Samuel Kelly
Genetics are a big deal, but not in the way Holla Forums pretend. The reason humans, regardless of culture, are universally fucking stupid is genetics. You can't get a dog to design a car no matter what culture you raise it in. Similarly, most of the major problems faced by humans are simply beyond our ability to comprehend. We use our emotions as a fallback when our ability to reason fails us, and then we fuck everything up because emotion is a piss poor substitute for reason.
I think the problem of improving our genetics is similarly complex to the problem of improving our culture. Yes, we will soon have the tools to edit DNA in humans, but just being able to edit code doesn't give you the ability to write better software. You need to be smart enough to know how to use your gene editing tools to do that. I'd estimate that the complexity of the human body is similar to the complexity of a culture. In either case if you change the wrong things you will just fuck everything up. I also think humans are fundamentally too stupid to properly understand either.
Ryan Hall
No basis for comparison lel The feels/reals false dichotomy Sciency
Grayson Russell
Actually, emotion and reasoning go hand in hand. Development with one goes hand in hand with other.
Easier ability to abstract emotions with purpose, as in, ability to control your emotions, is reasoning to a degree.
In any case, one of the bigger discoveries in the nail in the coffin of the dualistic mind body crap, as if the mind and body are separate, is the fact that, emotion and reason are connected.
It takes a lack of comprehension to lack emotion, you can't have no emotion and suddenly an influx of cogent ability
In doesn't work like that. Not to say that, everyone smart is emotive, but, the development of one in some form shapes the other.
Juan Taylor
Nice mott you've built there. I agree completely. Of course Holla Forums usually follow it up by demanding that "lesser races" be enslaved or genocided, but I guess you're not playing in the bailey today.
Carson Foster
Most of our emotions are inherently irrational. Just look at the discourse around pedophilia, drugs, terrorism, or pretty much any other controversial topic. The emotional response is supremely counterproductive and acts to undermine the reasoned response.
Of course some emotions like empathy are good, but most of them are really maladaptive for a technologically advanced species.
Jack Walker
t. rationalist
Jayden Diaz
Thanks for proving my point.
Chase White
My money is on the larger pacific striped octopus. They live in family groups, teach their young how to hunt, and flash crazy patterns on their skin probably to communicate with each other. They're a lot like pre-humans. They even fuck face to face.
Alexander Robinson
Empathy isn't an emotion, you're just an idiot. You seem mad about this?
Robert Perry
Are you a false-flagger trying to make humanities students look stupid, or are you just stupid?
James Gray
I was being medical. They may seem irrational, but I'm not talking them on their own. I'm talking ability to control them, like everyone can to some degree.
We abstract emotions with the same skill we abstract any idea, the development of one is linked.
It isn't me going off on a tangent, its theory. Emotions are not inherently irrational, it's a myth that they are.
They're more like. A neutral. After all,it takes emotion to fuel action, not thought alone.
Benjamin Parker
No, I've just been reminded that the quality of posts on Holla Forums has been in decline for a very long time and is rapidly approaching that of Holla Forums.
Nolan Gonzalez
The root of these problems can be traced to the most despicable place in Europe: Germany
When Germany united, they felt like they had to justify their new state. But… did all German share the same culture? No. Not even the same language. Did they share history? Well, only vaugely. So what did all Germans have in common? MUH RACE!
Seriously, we should have nuked Germany before they were created. I don't care that nukes weren't invented then. It must be done in some way!
Easton Morgan
Orca's have extra brain region for feels. Personally I'd like to see the orca and octopi team up.
Proof that scientism is autism. Empathy is not an emotion.
Kevin Wood
Empathy isn't an emotion. It can provoke emotions but it's not an emotion any more than memory is an emotion.
Isaac Brooks
neat
William Turner
wew you're actually right. Being nice to you is weird but I'm fucking with it so far.
Henry Anderson
I see what you mean. I think we're using slightly different definitions. In my conceptual model there are basic axioms (eg. death is bad) which inform both our emotional response and our rational decision making. Those axioms are very closely tied in with emotions and might not be separable at all, but they are normally only helpful to decision making when the emotion is felt weakly. Strong emotions tend to overwhelm rational decision making and produce very poor outcomes. Some emotions, such as anger, are almost universally unhelpful for a technologically advanced society.
Anyway, it's abundantly clear that I'm wasting my time posting here when a tripfag is the least idiotic poster. Enjoy the thread.
Ryder Perry
Thanks for the advice on maximizing flourishing, Sam. Good to know what a supremely rational take on things looks like.
