Normie Politics Thread

Can we get a normie politics thread going? I just want things to stop being so fucking crazy. Holla Forums is seeping into real life as the media realizes they can capitalized on them by shining a magnifying glass on their boundless insanity. I'm tired of the racism and the hate and the over zealous reaction to Trump, whose probably going to be a crony Bush 2.0 but with some protectionist policies and hopefully no more wars.

Anyways, normie questions:

What's pot legalization look like under Trump? States rights or is Sessions going to be a d-bag? Will he force the DEA to go after the hard drugs?

Social security, Medicare… what's going to happen? How will they replace Obamacare?

Is the protectionism going to work or will it be a sugar fix leading to a crash?

What's up with immigration?

DAE miss when you just wanted America to be a bloated welfare state like Sweden?

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For a while things will remain the same, meaning the raids and busts will go on as usual. This would be true with Sessions or whatever weasel Hillary had planned. It will slowly taper off as the laws in the states that have passed propositions become standardized and as more states legalize or decriminalize it.


Most likely nothing, if they do change it, the republicans will just replace it with nothing and bring us back to what we had before Obamacare. Social Security was almost gutted twice under Obama with his "Grand Bargain" bullshit and Hillary wanted to privatize it. At least in Rhetoric Trump has been consistently pro Social Security so it will be easier to oppose him if he goes with Paul Ryan's plan to privatize it.


Protectionism works to the extent that anything can work under capitalism, but I doubt Trump will actually engage in more protectionist practices than most presidents before him.

Why are you here?

I've been listening to a lot of Rachel Maddow and she's been staying on top of Trump's monied interests.

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She's been illustrating the point that Trump is having a bunch of conflict of interests (a new hotel in Indonesia and this bribery with a copper mining company trying to operate over there) and that it looks like you can buy your way into getting your interests looked after. Audio here:

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It's pretty crazy. I know Holla Forums loves their little research projects, would anyone want to see if we could rummage up some more stuff on Trump?

Who do you think is going to buy off Trump next and what will they want?

Holla Forums is terrible and scary crazy. I assume everything sane is left of Holla Forums, hence Holla Forums.

I know you don't like capitalism and the current system, I don't think anybody really does, but I don't believe in just sitting with my dick in my hands while I wait for muh revolution. I genuinely want to help people and there's a human cost to just let the right bulldoze the current system. I want to something here and now to help people.

Ain't gonna happen, son.

Actually, it's mostly just the LeftComs who do that. Most of the other tendencies prefer to do some light LARPing instead. You know, forming parties which no one knows about, participating in some random single-issue protests, maybe write some newspapers.

A bit off-topic, but how can someone get involved when they live in bumfuck nowhere, USA, there's no leftist organizations, and the nearest city is neoliberalism, USA

Holla Forums is stalking a Christian couple who adopted two black children

Holla Forums is tracking down the black kids who tortured that white kid

Holla Forums made pizza gate a thing

Holla Forums got the ADL to make Pepe a hate symbol next to the swastika

Holla Forums just doxxed TRS

Holla Forums helped meme Donald Fucking Trump into office

Jesus Christ. Can we do something? Could we at least talk about current events and maybe we'll stumble upon something that we can do something about. There's a real cost to not doing anything. You want people to believe in socialism? Start fucking winning.

we sponsored a RDW episode

Give us some time, Holla Forumss had years and no resistance. Trump is about to break their hearts and their minds.

Holla Forums never left their mother's basement. They don't real life. So can we.

lol wat

wtf is RDW?

Richard D. Wolff

8ch.net/pol/res/8697458.html

sick shit

Holla Forums isn't doing jack dick. desperate people voted for the guy who said he would change shit and Holla Forums claimed the credit.

Your heart is on the right place but being socialist and working inside the system of a liberal democracy will make us social democrats
I don't think socdems are bad until they turn against the revolution, Holla Forums is just too proud to take that way but I am not.


Ricard D Wolff, a marxist economics teacher with a radio show, think is called, economic update or something like that

the guy who is trying to reform capitalism by making everything a worker run co-op…

Sweet guy, but he's no Molyjew cult leader

When does that one come out again?

This month should be

Honestly, I'm fucking apathetic to economics. There are barbarian hoards at the gates and you want to have us wait for our utopian robot army to fight the battle for us.

That's what Jimmy "Let the grain rain and two kulaks hit the floor" Dore is for.

Damn, a liberal just said something racist

This is your brain on liberal ideology

Literally talking about white people, but wutevz

If I'm a doctor with a patient whose kidney's are failing, I can be completely apathetic to the abstract concept of "health" yet still driven to heal the patient.

Then you should leave politics for good and let adults handle it.
Wanting to dabble in politics without knowledge of economics and it's structure is like playing football without the fucking ball.

Huns were Altaic people though.
You were racist to Asians.

So now turns out you said something classist.
shame

Because passionate beliefs about economics were prerequisites for:

Form sliding troll.

You can't fix the problems with the current system by working within that system. It's set up explicitly to prevent that.
There's nothing wrong with "alleviating suffering." Donate to charity, volunteer, vote Democrat for 20% kinder, gentler imperialism, criminal wars, and mass domestic spying, whatever you want fam. But bear in mind that the causes of human suffering are diagnosable, and moreover, treatable. Palliatives do not remotely address this, and depend on the bourgeoisie's willingness and ability to make tactical sacrifices to preserve the stability of the system, which has been steadily contracting for decades. You notice how major social programs have been eroding for years, while banks are bailed out? Hint: it's not because "muh ebil republicans"


Human suffering is reducible to economic phenomena, user. Human behavior is economic behavior
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FALC is literally a meme. We're not going to reach post-scarcity conditions under capitalism. Even now we have the technology and resources to meet the basic needs of every human being on the planet were it only redirected to fulfill social need.

More rights doesn't mean more justice.
More justice doesn't put an end to injustice.

Are you implying New deal has nothing to do with the economy shitting itself in the 30s?

Bullshit.

>>>/liberalpol/

Supporting it did not require a strong belief in or understanding of capitalism or socialism.


TADA! New Deal!

Do you really expect us to parse that quadruple negative

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Please go away. You're either literally braindead or a Holla Forumsack troll.

literally your argument

OK now I know this is a troll thread for sure.
Sink it!

I didn't make an argument. I just called out your autistic, impenetrable writing style

It didn't make the world any less, evil. Racism is still a problem in our society civil rights or not.

youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

I'm talking about their manifestation in the democratic system. These were simple ideas driven by the beliefs of the populace, not their academic understanding of their relation to economics.

See 1212355


Sorry I thought you were

If that is the case then the civil rights movement failed because blacks still live in poverty == Poverty == an economic condition.
This shows that to advance minorities we need to advance them economically

Because Jim Crow wasn't a thing.

The pont is that there can't be social justice without economic justice

no they didn't, people need to stop spouting this utter bullshit.

Now this is ideology

Say it without buzzwords. "Society can't be fair unless wealth is more equitably distributed"?

1/5 black families live in poverty while 1/10 white families do. During the civil rights era it was 1/3 black families. To just erase the civil rights movement as irrelevant because were not at racial economic parity is dishonest.

That means nothing, the line of poverty may have been redefined over time and the quality of life may have become cheaper, people i still alienated from their labor

it's nice that we have this here. I hope we don't get too caught up in current events above theory, but sometimes we gotta keep normie politics in mind.

Trump is inexperienced in politics and is surrounded by a lot of the Republican goons that liberals always love to howl about. I'd imagine his presidency is going to be a lot like Dubya's in that sense. He's more a figurehead while "the swamp" does the dirtywork.

Programs will be cut. Things will be bad. I'm not exactly in a position where a lot of these policies affect me personally so sometimes I feel like I don't properly feel the weight of these policies in the same way many will have to. Hopefully everyone here will be alright for the next couple years except our Holla Forums residents, I wouldn't like their lives to be ruined, but if they could just be heavily inconvenienced I'd like that. My hope is that out of this crisis we'll see a more angry and conscious American prole. Maybe we'll see a new movement rising out of the ashes of the 20th century failures soon enough. I certainly hope so. I certainly hope that we are more ready to handle revolution than we were then.

THANK YOU!!

Checkout the Maddow episode: podplayer.net/#/?id=27689183

I think if we could start to become a diy research collective and skillful propaganda outlet by extension we could start planting the ideas necessary to bring about change.

user's like are too rapid to make coherent arguments that will appeal to the masses. In their eyes America is just an ocean of shit that's never changed sea levels ever. Not a very tenable position imo.

I'm glad to hear there are user's like you (and hopefully others will come out of the woodwork) that will admit to caring about the human cost this administration will extract. I'd like to get out ahead and get people here engaged if possible. :/

(it's not going very well atm :( )

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I can't tell if this is a subtle troll or not

Either way, I really can't respect Maddow anymore.

But I can respect criticizing Trump for the real-world results of his terrible policies as opposed to the fact that he says mean things. I just wish that in real life I wasn't either in the middle of nowhere or the middle of neoliberal conservatism

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Having first come here near the creation of the board in late 2014 and having participated in many of the major strategic initiatives that grew the board to its current size, I say we should kick out the tankies before we do anything else. Take a look at the "why did Marxist states ban porn" thread and you'll see why. Once that's accomplished, then some actual productive work can start getting done.

Basically, Holla Forums needs to become the mirror image of Holla Forums in terms of its activities. People need to go out and do things to gain notoriety, fuck with the establishment media and, in general, generate lels. Holla Forums should have more news threads, more pranking of capitalist stooges, more digging into shady corporate business practices (like GamerGate did until Holla Forums took it over), and more of an effort to make Holla Forums at least decent again by driving the free speech hating second exodus Holla Forumstards back where they came from - not that they really have much of a place left to go, since the novelty of Holla Forums bullshit is rapidly wearing thin.

I 100% agree.

Obama not really handcuffed to Obamacare
Proof that Obamacare was bipartisan.
(inb4 lefty echo chamber)
finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-wants-see-republican-health-care-plan-165815310--finance.html

Shit can't happen until people stop being so spooked that whenever one says literally anything they spout some dead white author's name and tell you to comb thru his bibliography yourself. If you can't explain it so that a child or elderly person could understand, what the fuck is the point of reading anything???

Absolutely fucking not. Holla Forums is in the majority comprised of regular anons shitposting for their own delight just like any other board, it isn't a 24/7 agitprop opperation, that's just what their moderation makes you think.
most news posted in /politics/ boards are just opinion dumps which don't generate any discussion and aren't at all a model to be followed.
All we need to do is get >>>/leftyb/ back in relevance for anime, OC, e-celeb and shitposting threads, maybe even news and leave the actual board for theory and organization.
your leftist /r/theDonald can fuck off back to reddit where your newfag ass came from.

Literally reddit

The particulars may vary, but whether or not this is absolute truth in the strong, classical sense, the fact remains that this framework is the single most effective one through which we can ever hope to interpret and change the world that exists
By "economic" I do not mean "oh shit, palladium dropped half a point today, my cancer is back." I am referring to economics in the actual, broad sense, i.e. game theory, individual and social choice theory, microeconomic theory in general and so on. If you can't study human behavioral phenomena rigorously you aren't really studying them at all, as the replicability crisis in psychology clearly shows. Attributing suffering a priori to some metaphyiscal malaise is a painfully solipsistic position when building actionable theory, so we bracket that question and deal with what is. Clearly not all suffering deterministically flows from an explicit set of causes, but that doesn't mean attributing it to "sin" and suggesting you take communion is in any way useful.


We all care about the human cost of a Trump administration, user. Do you care about the immense human cost of Obama's tenure? Why don't mainstream liberals, who so rightly chided Bush over the very same actions? What does this tell you about the nature of their political consciousness, and what it can achieve?
I don't think this is a faithful representation. No leftist believes America has "never gotten better or worse." Look at the recession. The cyclical crises of society that erode living standards, social programs, and democratic rights while they plunge the world into war are literally the basis for our activities.
The key is thinking dialectically. That is, these "rights" are mere muh privileges extended by the bourgeoisie as the product of opposing forces in society. It is profitable for them to tax themselves and provide welfare so that hungry disenfranchised people don't riot in the street, steal and destroy property, or overthrow the government, because this allows business as usual, in a word, stability. The level of dissatisfaction with the current regime of social programs is naturally counterbalanced by the bourgeoisie's ability and level of willingness to provide more. These opposing forces push towards a natural equilibrium. The state we revolve around is just such an equilibrium, subject to these changing pressures. Working to build, focus, and mobilize this dissatisfaction further or drum up ideological support doesn't change anything on the fundamental level about this system. It can be opposed and negated by a corresponding pressure in the other direction when the next contraction comes and the bourgeoisie revisits the concessions it has previously made. The historic gains of the working class and democracy are not some monolith set in stone, much as we enjoy, depend on, and demand them. Nothing is ever truly guaranteed beyond the next round of cuts. The Bush-Obama years should have shown you this.
But by all means, push for more programs and rights to help people "now" if that's your thing. Or more like in 5-10 years, since the government is pretty inertial. This can't build socialism in itself, but bringing a well-organized, compelling movement for a certain level of basic concessions (that people actually need and will agitate to gain or defend, not for ideology) into conflict with a bourgeoisie that absolutely cannot provide it should create a powder keg of revolution. This is the real accelerationism, in a sense, and not electing reactionaries like Trump to "make it worse," because his actions and policies are again a set of tactical choices by the ruling class on how to respond to these opposing pressures, just like those of Sanders and the democrats.

All I can really do is point you to Jimmy Dore. He's good normiecore.

Y'know, unless you decide the nebulous "human cost" of such a confrontation trumps all else and work instead to suppress movements for social programs, voting right-wing and giving chiding speeches about austerity and "belt-tightening" like the rest of the liberals.

This. We need to simplify the ideas into something more digestible.

Obama said that Trump refusing to accept the election results would have been excellent for democracy. Was he correct?
youtu.be/4pqnlwDcItM

all of these are isolated single actions, and as said, Holla Forums didn't do shit in getting Trump elected.


Years and no resistence since they in no moment go aganst the establishment.

The Big City Concentration of Hillary Clinton Voters.
We're Democrats We Prefer Not to Have Diversity of Viewpoints.
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For what purpose?

The US is the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have this, am I right?

nalert.blogspot.de/2017/01/single-payer-health-canadian-style.html
vancouversun.com/news/local-news/patients-being-treated-in-hallways-at-overwhelmed-hospital-in-kelowna

Neato.
I personally believe healthcare should be private. All European Social Democracies are class cucked as fuck, when Capitalism doesn't hit our basic necessities like food, shelter and healthcare we tend to get complacent about it and ignore as years of our labour are taken by Porky.

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