ITT: Anti-leftist arguments you're getting tired of

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oh this is a fucking good one

What is wrong with calling out some middle class cat lady trying to play god to the poor brown people?

Brown people should be spoken about, they should not be looked at, they should be left completely to their own devices because anything else is white tea condescension.

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You have to admit that most circlejerks of microloans and free trade coffee are lame, inefficent and only serve as a self agrandizing device for the funders.

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retard

Any argument that isn't actually anti-leftist or pro-capitalist. Pro-market arguments for example.

Let's be fair, a ton of "revolutionary socialists" are legitimately LARPer.s

WHY DO THESE FUCKING MONGLOIDS THINK THAT CHINA'S ACHIEVED COMMUNISM? I LITERALLY SPELL IT OUT TO THEM EVERY TIME BUT NOTHING FUCKING CHANGES EXCEPT HOW WILLFULLY FUCKING IGNORANT THEY ARE

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lmao if there was a massive crisis stemming from the housing market crashing and wall street collapsing we could have easily rallied the working classes and siezed everything including all 3 branches of government and the entire media scape

instead Libshits gave the satanic bankers a free pass and slap on the wrist. they are now raping and pillaging with impunity because they know the next faggot puppet president will bail them out. the banks got BIGGER after the bailout

fuck your donkey too

I've heard that a lot more from tankies than anyone else, but it's good to see some of y'all are self-aware

youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg&t=8s

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How about this…
Design it so it doesn`t collapse?

At least yours are keynsian. We had a libertarian, whose favorite show was shark tank.

My other econ teacher is a classical lib who was desperately trying to convince us that Automation will be fine and we can retrain old white guys to write code and shit

I was laughing out loud and he thought i wasn't laughing at him

This has happened to me way too often, especially with ancaps and nazis

I have a hard time imagining computers writing good, especially bespoke, software in the near future. But I could just be saying that because I'm a programmer.

Sometimes idk if I should kill them or myself

I think computer-aided programming might be a thing, though, where you have the IDE become more and more interactive and have predictive abilities.

I kinda believe this one tbh.

ltv is debunked (almost 0 human labour is applied to make mass-produced items) and tendency of rates of profit to fall is laughably wrong, and again debunked

Well then youre retarded.

Lol fucking wrong.
And guess what, the reason its so cheap is exactly because the labour time is low.

No, try again.

For a capitalist system? Yea because it is wasteful as fuck

There's still plenty of room on Earth, enough technology to have clean water and food for all,.. but maaaaybe we just shouldn't waste resources on all these bullshit consumerism products, if you know what I mean.

Wow, we already live in a totally automated world where there are no jobs!

most of these things are being phased out by machines, the production of which requires less labour to be applied

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall#Standard_criticisms_of_Karl_Marx.27s_argument

things that require very little labour to be applied

not all value is exchange value, right?

Yes, they will be. That is part of the prediction.

And what happens when these jobs are all gone? How do you measure the price of goods when you don't pay anyone to make them?

as is done currently: market decides prices based on how much people want a thing at any point in time, and the intersection of supply and demand

why do people care about the amount of labour applied to make something? (how would you even measure it?)

Okay, so now how do you sell anyone anything when there are no jobs that you can go to to get money?

When you decide to produce something, you will have zero labor costs. Fine. You have no maintenance labor costs either. Fine. Which leaves you with costs of materials for either upkeep or production.

Now let's go one step back to the material producers. They pay nothing for labor. They pay nothing for overhead. Fine. They have their own material costs. One step back again.

And once again, labor costs are cut out, and we are left with materials costs. And yet it becomes blindingly obvious that the materials costs are just comprised of the costs of everyone else involved in making those materials, so the cost of producing materials becomes zero.

The only thing you're left with is companies demanding money that is ultimately 100% profit from people who have no money because there is no employment left.

Also
Probably because supply/demand is an incomplete model that conglomerizes all of the production into "supply" without trying to analyze why any of it happens the way it does.

Also trying to make a model that throws cost of production out the window is laughable.

To say that people won't have money left to pay for goods if they aren't getting paid for labour (beacuse there is no labour) is fair, but it does not account for the fact that there will always be some number of people who have to work anyway.

How are you going to select those people and motivate them to work under anarcho-communism? If your idea is that we have too many people working (because capitalism is inefficient), how will you decide who works and who doesn't without capitalism?

people don't care about the cost of production; people want things that please them, with no regard for how much they cost to produce

nobody says "this computer must have cost a lot to produce, so it's worth more"; rather they say "this computer does the things I want, it's made by respectable manufacturer who builds it using quality components"

whether those quality components are expensive to produce is irrelevant; I am sure that vacuum tubes are more expensive to produce than transistors, but people don't want computers with vacuum tubes

Not looking for an argument (sorry if my tone says otherwise), just some explanation

Yes, indeed, and perhaps in the future we'll be able to move beyond writing text and into some sort of thought based programming where you imagine the algorithm and the computer deduces its source code.

Some actually good arguments here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Marxism

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Can we all stop and just admit that we're lying to ourselves about blonde pure bred nordic women? they all have boyish faces. all of them even the really smoking hot ones look vaguely like their older brothers. its really fucking prominent and Holla Forums unironically worships this phenotype but doesn't realize that small tits, small ass, timy waist, no body fat, boyish nord face is basically a trap substitute. i think we all need to acknowledge that a lot of fetishizing of blonde women is a secret desire to fuck men. look at beautiful latina or med women and then look at congoloid or nordic women. its fucking hilarious

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If you're looking for LTV to tell you how much people are willing to pay for it, then (and please correct me if I am wrong, anyone better read on this) you're not going to find it. LTV doesn't tell you how much people are going to value something, it tells you the price that a manufacturer can sell products at a profit for. Or, from a another perspective, it tells you that if you want some commodity that does some desired thing X, that it requires so many labor hours to produce this commodity, as a running sum total of all labor in each step of production.

It's not a specific price prediction tool. It's a relative profit measuring tool. LTV will tell us that diamonds are not very expensive to produce because the labor is cheap, and therefore that the very high price on diamonds means the profit margin is enormous.

Value in LTV is not the same thing as Demand. It is closer to Cost. Vacuum tubes are more expensive to produce and thus they remain more expensive, even though the demand is much lower.

You can, for sure, sell something for less than its LTV-predicted cost. It's just telling you that you're going to be incurring net loss as a manufacturer.

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ITT: George Soros feels ignored

One of those does not follow from the other. A predisposition towards being fucking stupid is part of human nature, just like a predisposition towards dying from dysentery is. We need to use our knowledge to avoid those things.

Find one "free content generator" who does it without assistance from having a job IRL or getting donations from supporters.

and then 5 minutes later

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To the gallows with you.

All ideologies end up producing a direct or indirect hierarchy.

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I'm certain there are plenty, but even if there weren't that wouldn't fucking matter. There is still this tremendous body of people performing labor and generating content all of which is distributed and consumed and shared for free.

Try and think a little before wasting my time with your empty-headed replies.

Dont they realize that humans arent animals? Animals are forced to follow their nature because they lack free will, humans can have both free will and self awareness.

Honestly they might call different races animals but they are the real animals since they let something as animalistic as human nature dictate what is right or not and they follow it blindly like cucks

elsa jean is hot tho

literally nothing wrong with this

I love this one. If this was truly the case, we would live in a nuclear wasteland.

heh

I, for one, am tired of:

Welcome to the anthropic principle. Everything always gets more retarded and unlikely (in the infinitesimal fraction of timelines you survive in).

I'm sick of the "My grandfather, some guy I know or possibly myself came from Cuba therefore everything you college kids have to say about socialism/communism is invalid."

Women of all races look like their male counterparts and the reverse.

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Protips:
1. Put down your smart phone
2. Stop ironically repurposing the n-word a-la Žižek

Comrade, with all due respect, have you even set one foot into a collegiate Economics class?

Keynesian economics (with stringent and strict government regulation) is literally the most "lefty" system that's actually produced first-world countries.

And in case you're wondering why the asshat banks got bailed out (though I still believe we should've put more blame on the bankers themselves), the entire purpose of bailouts is to stop an economic recession.

We had a president once that -didn't- give bailouts in the face of a major recession. Said recession ended up becoming the Great Depression.

The TARP money went to foreign banks.

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No, the earth only has finite resources, we can't reproduce indefinitely. The less of us there are the more there is to go around and the nicer everyone can live. I'm sure if everyone lived in a 5x5 cube and only ate nutrient loaf and only drank 8 glasses of water a day, the earth could support 30 billion people. But do you really want to live in that kind of world just because "there's still more space guys!"? Part of a world socialist/communist revolution should be a plan to dramatically reduce the population and get rid of the current pyramid scheme most countries rely on to keep their economies and social programs running. The population increases exponentially, we really can't afford to yell "stop fucking!" right as soon as we realize there's no more farmland left. If we could contain the world to even 2 or 3 billion there'd be much less polution, we could work to reverse climate change, and there'd still be plenty of people in everyone's respective cultures to maintain a diverse world culture.

diverse culture is good because in an ideal communist world you could travel freely to whichever country to want to live in, and not everyone loves the culture their born into. also it just makes the world a more fun place to travel.

for the countries where they read their Dostoyevskiy:

At the expense of the developing world? What an achievement.

Give us another WWII and maybe Keynesianism might work, but it won't last forever