Is it good or nah

is it good or nah

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No, because we have a tory government leading the negotiations.

As much as I hate the EU, I voted to remain. We'll just get more of the same neoliberalism, but worse.

If Jezza or Chairman McDonnell were running things, I'd have voted to leave however.

Brexit is good as hell tbh

it seems to be the accelerating the united ireland situation so i like it

nice idea but looks like it's gonna be a clusterfuck

Its good thing since it will solidify power within EU and get rid of the most conservative and anti-centralization factions within.

Irish unification and Scottish independence also looks bit more likely now so its all good.

Theresa May and the Brexiters so obviously don't know what the fuck to do, it's really funny

she just keeps on saying "brexit means brexit"

I hope they get bent over and get the big hard Brexit they want

No, but at least they ll get fucked over and maybe will learn not to listen to populists

Oh wait, people never learn and always forget

technocratic socdem when

Why are they good things?

They would weaken the NATO and create smaller nations in EU, splintering the division of power inside EU(assuming that scotland would join) and gearing it towards German-French majority control.

Irish unification means Ireland finally casts off the chains of British imperialism after hundreds of years. 'Northern Ireland' is a gerrymandered settler state, and the last and most ugliest remnant of British colonialism on the island.

Will we get to watch perfidious Albion sink into the North Sea?

Not only will britbongs lose all their EU muh privileges and tank their economy, but they'll still have to give the EU money. There was literally no point in leaving the EU.

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-philip-hammond-transitional-deal-eu-budget-a7485206.html

You wish.

smgdh

Read chomsky.

Sadly I couldn't vote to leave the UK

read parenti

A Remain vote would have shored up liberalism and capitalism, so yes Brexit is good.


NI is a colossal pain in the arse for Britain, I can't wait to jettison it.


That form of Brexit has no chance of happening. I almost wish it did though, because it would expose the government as utterly useless.

Could be good but would probably suck balls if Jezza keeps getting shit on for no reason then these fuckers deserve it anyway

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Have you seen Corbyn's poll ratings?

The poor poll results is a negative feedback loop in action. These people will dig their graves one day

Almost everyone in the country thinks he's a bloodthirsty incompetent trotskyist who will ban private property and establish a new socialist world order. He's doing rather well considering.

Completely unreasonable to expect that to stop. People are raised to be useful idiots, you can't expect them to suddenly betray their nature.

Polls are shit.

When the EU eventually collapses and millions of people have to rush in to change their useless euros for the previous currency, britbongs will have the last laugh.

Polls tend to have a left wing bias as people tend to virtue signal. He's fucked.


t.increasingly nervous nigel

Keep dreaming
The portuguese communist party is clearly anti-EU and i fully support them.

No, polls tend to have a bias towards the beliefs of people likely to answer polls. And who answers polls? The sort of people who think what the media is telling them is gospel. Hence, polls tend to affirm the beliefs of the MSM, who shockingly turn out to be fucking wrong a lot of the time.

The same polls that predicted britain will remind in the EU, the PP will have a majority in the spanish goverment, colombia will aprove the peace traties and Hillary will be president
Polls are on the same category as astrology right now

Should have stayed in and worked towards a democratized European Union. That's what Yanis the Manis thought anyway.

He has a point but the only way to shake the EU up enough to reform it was a shock like Brexit.
It might happen now, but the UK won't benefit from that. They effectively just took one for the team.

The only way to know for sure is a GE. I think UKIP will decimate the Labour party.

Daily reminder that the EU is a fascist enabling institution and that only liberals like it.

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Exactly how I feel to be honest.

The UK was the most right-wing government in the EU and have managed to bring in an even more right-wing one now that we're leaving.

The EU was basically a buffer that prevented the Tories turning the UK into the US. Now that buffer's gone we're pretty much left to the mercy of the Tory right.

The worst thing is that even if they shit the bed, the predominantly right-wing media would literally go 1984-level propaganda just to prevent a remotely left-wing leader coming into power.

The British left is essentially fucked.

No. These people should know better than to vote against their interest. Even if they don't like Corbyn per se, why can't they get behind his platform?

And the Tories have handed even more power to Murdoch to do just that. Of course they will be repaid in kind.


Honestly I have zero sympathy for them at this point.

But the polls always underestimate the Tories even though the MSM is mostly Tory.

It's the poisoned well effect.

For example, despite privitisation of railway transport being an absolute failure with respect to ticket prices and services, the public would still criticise Corbyn for suggesting renationalisation just because it was him suggesting it. They'd pretty much write it off as a "loony left" policy despite state-owned railways being common place all around the world.

Leave voters voted themselves into vassaldom.

At best they are going to get some Norway-type deal out of this.

So they will have to accept freedom of movement, abide by the majority of laws delivered by the European parliament and pay into the EU budget while not having any say, veto or any representation in the European institutions.

So now, states like Croatia or Latvia will have more power to influence legislation that will influence British citizens than the UK itself.

The UK effectively voted to become a vassal state of the European Union.
This is just bizarre, haha.

The EU has already said that will not happen.

What will not happen?

People unironically said he would crash the economy by investing £500bn in infrastucture over 20 years, but when Trump said he would spend $1tn over 4 yeard.the markets jumped and everyone seems to think it's a great idea.
His ideas are mostly sound but unfortunately British people are shallow and won't vote for him for shallow reasons.

The UK will not get a Norway-type deal.

I said 'some Norway-type deal'. This includes a deal which is worse than that.

Trump is selling infrastructure to wall street. That's why the markets "jumped." It's a privatization scheme.

What public assets is he selling?

Its pretty excellent. Either Tories fuck it up, which they will, either reinvigorating the left further or destroying the Tories and making UKIP surge, or Labour gets in and McDonnell gets us a clean break off from the EU.

Good, of course. Once the EU is out of the way, our triumphant leader, Chairwoman May can enact her glorious regime in full.

Tories fucked Britain up royally in the 80s and it barely dented them, labour had to move to the right and carry on with the neoliberalism and privatisations to compete.
Britain is an inherently right wing country due to the monarchy being neutered and some rights being given to the people before revolution could take hold like it did in Europe.

is there any hope for the left? entryism? communes? co-ops?

A bullet in Rupert Murdoch's head would be a start.

i'll get right on that
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That is the point. At what point does the working class keep being useful idiots when they are simple idoits

Yea no

Because they are told he is "unelectable", so they won't vote for him, which makes him legitimately unelectable. The media totally dictate public opinions.

lmao

It was a farce & any self respecting marxist should see that. Brexit was on the platform of the imperialist wet dream coupled with a vote out of desperation for the north, whilst remain was the illusion of a social europe plush with wokers rights that never existed.

The entire referendum was a waste of time.


marxist.com/the-myth-of-social-europe.htm

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marxist.com/the-delusions-of-brexit.htm

but claims to be a pacifist for wanting to abolish the british army

the brits will never fall for this sort of low brow idpol leftism

Kek.

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