Statists btfo

Why are you a statist? Why cant you voluntarily decide to see the light?

any organized body of one class to suppress another is a state.

you cannot remove the bourgeosie without a state - all anarchist attempts have utilized what Marxists would call a state.

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Sage

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The argument is one of definitions user. if you don't like what the marxists mean when they say "state" i can't help you.

Because you decided to turn it into one, I decided to make this thread in order to point out the impossibility of a state stopping certain anarchists practices

what is definition of state?

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Imposed hierarchy

I'm not a huge fan of argumentum ad dictionarium but no, you are wrong, that is not the accepted definition.

Anarchy action and praxis are built upon the idea of "gesture of defiance>effect and damage to the old order> the day after"

How about instead of these useless sightless even nihilistic methods, you become a useful comrade and try to expand the leftist theory even further?

Monopoly of power is helpful thing in trying to shape society, all though the workers movement need to be independent from state and out side of the sate power, and only allowing the state to give services to ease the establishment of such workers body of organizations "councils, communes, collectives etc…"

The state is voluntary isnt it? I can suggest who can rule over me :-)!! Love being free!!


They are not useless at all as they emancipate the individual fro m the imposed base-superstructure the capitalist state needs in order to function

Empirically wrong

It's getting to the point where those who cry statism are mostly analcaps trying to make themselves seem more anarchist than they actually are. Make note.

Lets pretend that this is what i implied.
How so?

wrong flag…

If you believe in any kind of overseeing body that can impose rules on individuals inside its territory, no matter if you call it a workers council or a commune or whatever, that is a state. Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Whether it's fascist or left libertarian a government still means a state.

If a state cannot liberate/emancipate/whatever the exploited class, in which the proletariat is included, why is it desireable to begin with, why support it?


Precisely just that, those are imposed hierarchies

So you really just believe in fallout world where there's no organisation whatsoever? Because in my experience any time anarchists are pushed on this they either admit they want a state or their theory collapses into absurdity. How would a serial killer be caught in your ideal society, and what would be done if someone with a disease needed to be quarantined?

I'm not that self-absorbed.


God leftcom theory of the state is such bullshit.

Come on now

Anarchists trying to impose their is precisely why it failed

The attacked would stop him?

Do sick people want to heal faster? Do healthy people want to remain healthy? If so they can organize themselves to solve this

Also, by pointing out violent or emergent situations, and that the state would be able to somehow control them, is flawed, as there is more than enough evidence of the contrary, and even of supporting it

The state can soften up it's grasp on the workers while softly chocking the capitalist class more and more.
+ my theory is built upon a soft state mixed markets councilism sooooo i need dat state bruh

k.

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Who are these characters and where can I find the unedited version of that pic?

Because Thomas Hobbes Leviathan destroys any philosophical,moral and social stance that anarchism has.

Gosh and you wonder why you are hated by marxists.

By this logic, communism is when the government owns everything.


Leviathan was an assblasted monarchist's autistic screeching how an absolute ruler is needed so there won't be any civil war or revolution. If taken seriously it only supports Monarchy and Facism as legitimate systems, no wonder the flower clutching fags like it.

Is rape illegalism?

It makes a case for sovereignty of the state and atheist monarchy pls learn to read.

You mean freedom for the slave-owners, not the slaves

Flower-clutching faggot

and the world is your dungeon

anarchists have such servantile minds

state is apolitical in his work, not inheritly capitalist nor socialist.

Also I like to think that rose in our flag represents the strangling of Rosa.

You can't really argue for rape being fair in some way.

blanket succ dem ban when

You take what you want and disregard morality.

Sounds illegalist to me.

Yes, and according to Hobbes the state can do no wrong and its legitimacy can't be questioned because hoomun naytur is bad. The conclusion is explicitly anti-socialist, in that everything is ruled by a single being who owns everything.


That's a Lenin quote you dumbass.

Then you need to read him again, since he explicitly states that if state violates social contract too harshly people have the right to overthrow it.

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No wonder you lelninists are such faggots; AT LEAST THE REVOLUTION WILL BE IN MY MIND!

Who gives a shit?
There's your problem.

Spooky.

And replace it with another monarchy which still is anti-socialist. Because hoomun naytur.

This runs counter to leftism and is the ideology of the facist.

Muke?

The state calls its own violence, law, and that of the individual, crime

Read Mutual Aid and kys fag.

where did I sign this social contract?

Maz Stirner did more in his life to practice worker-ownership and socialism than Marx, who lived off of worker's surplus labour, ever did.

mfw no matter how hard smashies, from both the serious and non-ironic snowflake varieties, try, they will never ever be able to actually effectuate any actual change outside of the confines of the pre-existing prevailing ideology and system without a state or using a state but not calling it one
Feels *sniff* good, opportunists.

No heros. Also his philosophy has been established to be content-free unless you're literally 14. Nietzsche is a far more valuable read anyway.

And Kropotkin was an actual scientist,but but Marx theorized about scientific socialism.