Mass immigration is the very essence of capitalism

Daily reminder that mass immigration is the most important aspect of Neo-liberal economics and that capitalists use the artificial population booms created in its wake to continually and unceasingly grow domestic markers and domestic, debt fueled consumption of consumer goods.

Muh GDP!

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But an advanced capitalist economy is a prerequisite for socialism, so immigration is the very essence of socialism as well

Would you not consider Japan an advanced capitalist economy? It's manufacturing BTFOs any European power.

I have no argument, sempai

Not if you`re ML or form any group that holds its theoretical groundwork on Leninism.

Hasn't their economy been dead for like twenty years

A good way to think of mass immigration is like those "stimulus packages" neolibs talk about in the event of an economic downturn.

All western economic growth is simply population growth over the past couple of decades. People deride japan's poor GDP showing but they've grown by 1pc on average with a falling labor force. We've grown by 2pc or a little bit more by adding tens of millions to the labor force.

GDP in mature economies is fucking meaningless.

The lost decades meme is pure bullshit. Japanese manufacturers have only grown even more competitive in the producers goods space. Boeing are more reliant on them now than they were in the 1980s.

Pretty sure private ownership of the means of production is the essence of capitalism.

>Daily reminder that mass immigration is the most important aspect of Neo-liberal economics

Anti immigration fags always seem to think that immigrants pop out of thin air and come to developed countries for no real reason

The idea that immigration is a force of nature and that it simply "happens" to developed nations irrespective of the severity of their visa, naturalisation, deportation laws etc is a meme. There are many wealthy non western states now that demonstrate this perfectly.

Life is a video game, after all.

Absolutely correct.

I wish the fucking neo nazis read this.

Plenty of Neo nazis get it.

It's left liberals who don't. These are the same people who bash Neo liberal economics in one breath while advocating for textbook Neo-liberal economics like this the next.

"If we don't have endless immigration, who will pay for the Boomer pensions :^)"

Oh they know they just don't care. Nazis are like socdems when it comes to capitalism. They just want to "reform" it. Their true objective is the destruction of any and all left wing movements that threaten capital.

Immigrationfags always seem to think that geographical aspects aren't part of the material conditions

But we do need to keep viable workforce in EU even in the future. Decline or god forbid, deflation of markets would lead to collapse what influence remains in European hegemony.

Nazis are weird. They'll produce an entire list of complaints about the bourgeoisie and economic system and then conclude that the solution is to kill all the Jews instead of the ruling class as a whole.

Seriously? Pro tip: it's not about workers. Its about consumers. Bankers need constant consumption growth otherwise their investments stop producing profits.

But a population of unemployed and poorly paid people can't consume.

What exactly is European about European hegemony when 90% of your population is either MENA Muslim or black African?

It's like saying "yeah but if Japan let in 1.2 billion people they could maybe challenge China because their populations would be about equal".

Goddamnit libfags. Human beings are not interchangeable. The fact third generation Pakistanis in my country are worse than their grandfathers should tell you something. All you're doing is creating quasi empire states composed of competing ethnic groups.

I agree with a nazbol, damn man feels weird, but you are correct.

this is also absolutely correct.

oh guys this year is starting well.

And unlike empires there's no strong imperial core to hold it all together. If anything democracy just amplifies ethnic division.

Sure they can. It's called credit.

90% of merkels millions are completely unskilled according to a German labor ministry study.

I think there's elite level consensus that mass immigration is a good thing in the west for that reason. As others have said the capitalists want it for the sake of continually expanding credit fueled consumer markets. But many on the centre left and centre right also believe that by artificially inflating the population of the nation they can increase its prestige especially in an age of two one billion plus superstates.

Structural unemployment is only going to accelerate this century. God knows what European countries will do with all these random blacks and browns doing menial labor and all the relatives that family reunification laws allowed them to bring over.

And people also discount the incentivizing and disincentivizing effects of law and enforcement.

There's a reason SEAs who call themselves refugees attempt to go to Australia, not Japan or South Korea.

Leadership.
We both know that Africans and Middle-easterners would only constitute for the proletariat, meanwhile labor aristocracy and higher echelons of society would remain European.

Their children will form the basis of future lower classes since birthrates take 1 generation to drop.

With higher population comes more consumption and base for further growth.

The centre-left supports mass immigration because the newcomers are practically guaranteed to vote for centre-left parties, while the centre-right supports mass immigration because their developer/landlord/businessmen/Big Agri etc and other backers benefit from lower class growth.

Which leads to the MSM reinforcing this party line as posts - immigration is simply "a force of nature", and since nothing can be done about it the best option is obviously to make the process easier and integrate them better

not really, most commodity production can be exported.
immigrants brought in primarily effect the manual labor service industry (in "developed" countries) which is dying out now anyway.
Imigrants can only affect commodity production in first world countries when anti-immigrant folks like yourself ensure that the immigrants have no rights and can be treated as slaves.
Why do you think republicans never actually do anything about immigrants besides make sure they are hidden away in slave compounds to do slave labor for porky?

But you can't just let people build up debt forever. If I'm unemployed and buy everything on credit, how am I actually creating any value for the capitalists? I can only buy their stuff if they give me their money to do so.

The children of Muslim immigrant groups have shown to grow more religiously extremist with each generation.

False.

We should forde Holla Forums to embrace their cultural marxists spook and make them sjws towards islam

Clearly someone wasn't paying attention when they were proofreading the article

So you want some sort of de facto ethnic caste society? Why are you even calling yourself a socdem?

I don't think you realise just how little productivity you get out of unselective immigration. Look at the rates of unemployment among morrocans and maghrebis in Netherlands and France. Look at the degree to which those who are employed among them are employed by the state, look at the levels of welfare dependency them compared to the native group.

All of this is because permissive refugee policies and family reunification allow for completely unselective standards for entry.

This isn't even getting into the fact that currently European nations are "top-heavy" with relatively-secular/christian older whites, which will only increase into the near future given the birth-rates of native whites.

Really, what assimilation pressures do you believe will exist when Muslims become an increasingly-large percentage of the 18-40 population?

Who the fuck cares about mosque attendance? What's more relevant are polls that show shifts in attitudes and opinions.

Large social structure to accomodate migrants plays a key part. If there is hostility and no social benefits for third worlders to come to countries, they do not come. They will hop onto the next best wealthy nation to abuse wellfare. Why do you think the refugees go through 12 seperate countries to get to Germoney? For the benefits. They get around 25k euro a year for doing absolutely nothing. Meanwhile a minimum wage job in Germany pays half that after taxes. Now that is a clear sign of worker exploitation, the refugees in Germany are a very muh privileged class of people that earn an above modal income in the form of benefits that they get that normal Germans have to pay for.


Not an argument the same can be said about nordic countries


Many parts of Africa have more potential to produce goods such as food then Western countries. With a proper agriculture program Zimbabwe could feed the entire continent of Africa by itself for example.


I really doubt anyone sees it such as this. There are also severe problems with policies such as family reunion. If you live for I thought 3 years in the Netherlands you are entitled to family reunion. On average a migrant takes in 3 family members with family reunion. These family members do not speak the local language and often become entirely dependant on the state. Nobody wants to employ those people since they don't speak the language and have a severe lack of education. In any economic system they wouldn't be capable of producing anything worthwhile to society because they lack the means and do not have any incentive to pursue the means due to the wellfare state.

IQ and global inequality is a book that shows correlations between Autism Level and GDP. If you fill up your country with people who score around 70 on Autism Level tests, and 80-85 after being educated then that will be a drain upon your nation instead of a positive thing.


Their children do not integrate well into society due to the background of the parents and keep strong cultural identification from the country their parents came from instead of the country they were born into.


I never understood their immense hatred for Islam considering Islam preaches the killing of Jews which all their hate seem to be directed towards. Muslims are also mostly white colored so I don't really understand their problem.

Islam has historically been much more accommodating towards Judaism than Christianity, since theologically Judaism is simply viewed as an "outdated, incorrect" version of Islam. Most modern Islamic antisemitism derives from the existence and actions of Israel, not anything overly intrinsic to Islam.

If every Jewish Israeli agreed to either leave Israel or live under the authority of the Palestinian government anti-Semitism in Islam would rapidly decrease

They're given make work jobs in sectors focused around consumption rather than investment. Eg retail.

This is how bubbles happen.


Not really what? Capital owning classes do not care whether they satisfy some particular labor shortage. They simply want a larger population because a larger population equals a larger market.

If it were about selectively addressing labor shortages in particular areas it wouldn't be "mass" immigration in the first place!


What "lower classes"? These people are lumpens. They're not even capable of primary industry work. In fifty years what do you think their descendants are going to be doing? And how are you going to stop them from voting in what they want with 90% of the population?

This is what labour voters actually believe huh.

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t. Tony Blair

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Sure they can. It's called reddit.

Tony 'the spooked Catholic' Blair opened the gates of hell when he greatly elevated the status of faith schools in the UK and now you have Islamic schools in the UK that receive public funding and teach fucking creationism.

Ludovic is a name with german roots.

reminder that anti immigrationfags are just Holla Forumsyps trying to sound like leftists

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Daily reminder that only neo-liberals support mass immigration of reactionary lumpen that aim to destroy the cohesion of the native working class.

Hold on, maybe I can even find that speech where he said how his faith and his 'Christian socialism' were the basis for his Third Way policies. Goes to show you that religious or spooked flavors of leftism are trash.

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Daily reminder that the nation-state is merely a colony of capital.

Wrong. Non white/third world ones are legitimate as they are tools of defense against international capital. It's only white ones that need to be destroyed in the interests of the fourth international. After that point Han Chinese, Gulf Arabs and Indians will become atheistic, pro LGBTQ anti racists who embrace racial intermarriage between each other and black Africans and do away with their own states in the process.

So sayeth the wise trotskyists.

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Daily reminder in spite of all this trotsky was literally a zionist sympathiser.

Oh wait that's every fucking Trotpost

Most Jews are all at least a little sympathetic to Zionism.

No it's because they're fucking racists.

So in other words you want a Brave New World-type scenario?

I guess that's another thing to add to my list of "stupid shit socdems say".

Dissolution of borders is the essence of communism.

You fucking what m8

(this guy is not a trotskyist)

Then why where their borders between the different Soviet Republics in the USSR? Actually, capitalist globalization has done far more to dissolve borders and create mass immigration then anything else ever has. It is capitalist countries that are importing migrants. The essence of communism is the abolition of imperialism, not borders, that is why communists tried (rather unsuccessfully) to prevent both world wars.

Wrong, it's the abolition of capitalism.

Comrade Why?

You are right OP. Read Benoist.

How the hell does that follow?


Nope.

Back to >>>/reddit/ it goes

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>>>/liberalpol/

Leftists already support plenty of explicit ethno-nationalist causes (Palestine, various strands of Third Worldism, non-white radical movements in America and other Western countries).

Of course, the idea here is that "well, that's just a reaction against white hegemony and eventually they'll abandon that residue and become good internationalists", but there is zero evidence for this ever becoming a thing.

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Also, Third Worldists have been a laughingstock among the far left for decades.

>>>Holla Forums

I know, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in his meme'ing.

On another note, the transformation of the CPC and VCP into explicit ethno-nationalists who lead their Nations according to increasingly Confucian principles, and the evolution of the DPRK into a literal racial state, should tell you everything you need to know about "third worldism" to begin with.

Neither you nor the faggoty you're talking to here have a basic understanding of antiimperialism.


Oh look, a social democrat that doesn't know basic shit while still pretending otherwise. What a suprise.

Wow, that's really interesting. Tell me more.

lol yes, the PRC was so "anti imperialist" it just decided to claim all of those Manchurian imperialists' territories the nine banners/GSA conquered for the hell of it and stuff them full of Han Chinese colonists too.

"Anti imperialism" is a meaningless term. These were ethno-nationalist struggles. Ho Chi Minh quite literally said as much in describing his motivations for fighting the French and Americans.

If ethno-nationalism in the third world were employed simply to destroy imperial powers, then when the parties had assumed hegemony over the entry country and ensured territorial integrity of the state, they would have become progressively more internationalist, but they didn't. In fact the exact opposite has occurred.

The more wealthy and powerful China becomes, the more nationalistic it becomes.

The high water mark of liberalism in China was 89.

I speak and read Chinese. I spend a lot of time in China and the East Asian region for work. I have a fairly good understanding of Chinese History.

You?

Do you actually believe the DPRK is Marxist-Leninist? Do you believe that Chinese and Vietnamese people are committed internationalists?

You may want to read this:

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Chinese don't give one fig for your "we are all the same" mantra mate. It's hilarious to them that westerners are actually dumb enough to believe in it in the first place, and they take full advantage of it.

haha what kind of bourgie work do you do if you travel in china and SEA ? Plz tell me you're a sailor on a big ship fam.

Very close guess in terms of the industry actually.

That's only true if you don't have an appropriate minimum wage. In fact, the whole point of a minimum wage is to prevent a race to the bottom. If you have a livable minimum wage then importing labor is better than importing goods.

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I believe one of the first revolutionary decision should be the largest possible socialisation of education (that means, education in crèches from birth). The bourgeois & traditional family in general are the most violent, sickening places of society and the fact that educating children (the most important task of society) is the only activity in society let to the freedom of untrained retards like most of us are is disgusting. No personal reason, my family's cool. Never forget it's in the communist manifesto & the only way to actually pluck by the root the bourgeois ideology and habitus. The real cultural revolution :^)
(I don't know if one should do it by incentive or by force… A mixed model might be necessary not be too brutal)

I believe revolutionary fighters (troops in people's armies or just members of revolutionary organization during troubled times) should immediately be executed as an exemple if they do anything criminal (rape, murder or execution of low-level civilians not motivated by self-defense without proper judgement, theft and pillage for personal reasons, fake accusations leading to accusation or labor camps).

I believe in forced labor for prisoners & I don't believe in the "new-left" cult of leisure

You didn't even try
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I just want you to know that I look forward to automating away your job and then telling you to stop being a lazy bum as you starve on the streets.

Thx but proletarians aren't lazy they are exploited :^) not making cult of leisure in socialism isn't equal to upholding a capitalist notion of labor & merit

Wait. Are you denying that the nanjing anti African riots actually took place and that it's just ahistorical or something?