Cuba appreciation thread
This thread is for appreciation of Cuba the best communist country in the world. Cuba is a country completely free from starvation most forms of poverty and worker exploitation. Most of the things you here about it is simply lies. Lets all give a moment of silence to comrade Fidel.
Cuba isn't and never was socialist but it's accomplishments deserve their due.
How is it not true socialism?
They have currency and they have a central bank.
You can have a currency in socialism just not in communism.
Cuba is pretty OK but it could be better.
Compared to the other Latin american islands its pretty good.
Only country in Latin America I'd be OK living in.
Everyone is somewhat poor but there all educated and healthy. Its sounds pretty good to me.
Check out this list of misconceptions about Cuba:
iammyownreporter.com
I'd say fuck Fidel, but you probably would.
Fidel and his ilk are why I can't speak about socialism or any sort of leftist ideas with anyone but online neets and you faggots treat him like a grandfather.
What did he say about it? And was it during the depression?
If this was true aliens controlled everything.
I got some pictures of Cuba when I went to visit family. It's not Havana, it's in a small town in Villa Clara when I went to go visit family. I'll post them up when I get home
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You forgot
Sure thing mate, I will get my pictures from Haiti and other nations like Cuba ready. Two can play the pictures game.
Chile is far better. Best latin american country in regards of hdi
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What? It seems only fair that we compare Cuba to other independent Caribbean island nations.
I know I was just waiting for the massive argument.
Maybe you should think of that before you call Cuban's "dirt poor" and their women whores.
I didn't call them that. I'm not the same guy.
Doubtfull, but if its actually true, dont blame me, we dont have ID's here.
Anonymous image boards can be confusing.
Well…then you can take your early response for those pics.
Chile has insane income inequality
And Chile isn't an island.
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There's one I haven't heard before.
Except he didn't.
Many of the local farmers work in co-ops, but for the products that come from co-ops they HAVE to sell to the State for what amounts to pennies on the dollar. The "free market" that the government likes to advertise are made up of people who grow shit in their backyards and it's always the same things other people grow because it's all they can grow. Certain practices are illegal because it's centrally planned. Two of the most known and illegally sold products are fish and beef. Fish is reserved only for tourists, and beef is mixed with 50% soy product in order to "ration" the beef, which is actually sold to tourists. Lobster runners exist too, and they are among the richest and porkiest people on the island. Coffee roasting is also illegal because it has to be manufactured by state-approved roasters; The cousins I visited grow and roast their own coffee illegally for the little neighborhood they live in because they're the only one with an old coffee grinder from the 40's that still works. My godmother's house has styrofoam boards for ceiling because good wood is far too expensive on a farmer's wage and plywood disintegrates with all the rain. She says she loves the styrofoam. Likewise, glass is virtually nonexistent in most homes; windows are just cut holes with hurricane shutters drilled in. People drive around in broken down Ladas that they fix up with greater creativity than anything that a redneck can think of. Pearlescent paint on a family friend's car used for some inner renovations actually came from hundreds of nail polish bottles he'd buy little by little with the money he makes from being a taxi. Toilet seats are nonexistent and largely seen as unnecessary.
I'm not arguing that it hasn't progressed for the better since Batista, and a lot of the exiles here in Miami forget how bad it was under him, either because they were too young to remember or because they were part of the problem. But there's a reason why even today people emigrate from Cuba into the US, and that's because people can't live without having to negotiate under the table for everyday things we take for granted. In fact, those that have anything on the island are those that have family in the US who take things over there in droves. TV sets, computers, furniture, bicycles, you name it, all flown from MIA. Many of the younger generations now have cellphones but pay an equivalent of an arm and a leg to ETECSA so they can talk to one another. I tried opening up a phone line with them for whenever I'm there. It's $40 to open up a line and $5-$15 to maintain access. To us that's nothing, but multiply that by 25 and that's the equivalent in Cuban pesos that they have to pay. There are doctors working in hospitals who moonlight as taxis because as doctors they make only about $40 a month, yet as tourist taxis they make the equivalent of $13-$14/hr in the US.
The only way you can be prosperous in Cuba is actually by being porky. People steal gas from the government and sell to the people at reduced prices compared to at the pump, and it's not mixed with ethanol. I've mentioned all the other illegal products sold as well. Shoemakers are arguably the richest people on the island, as Cubans do like to look good and will pay (their) good money for them, yet they mostly illegally import cheap shoes from Brazil or China made in even worse conditions. Those same people that ship things to their family that I mentioned before? They're also couriers who buy off Cuba's TSA equivalents at the gate in order to even import them into the country, as the products they sell are packaged as luggage and mostly illegal to bring inside (like personal stovetops, which are illegal because they draw too hard from their energy supplies) and then sell whatever excesses to locals at double the price they bought it for. If you want to make an honest dollar in the island, you will not get very far, because the island is a case example of the dialectic used against socialism, and the government doesn't make it any better. Argue as much as you want, but the Castros did not implement socialism as much as they could have. There's only so much you can blame on the US embargo when the country is cordial and trades with other Western countries regularly.
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Interesting. Source?
I'm telling you of my travels there and experiences with talking to people there, wtf is there to source?
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To be fair the netherlands is one giant sub-oceanic country and we have shortage of fish because of overfishing.
It's not short, it's illegal to procure and sell unless you're licensed from the state to procure and sell it.
That is literally every country on earth though.
Que dijes conchatumare? Viva Chile
No but you can fish for personal use. You can't even do that over there for 1) not being to economically afford a boat to do it, and 2) needing to be licensed to fish in general.
You can go to pretty much any worf in your country and fish. You can go to pretty much any lake and fish. You can't do that there.
Lol no you fucking can't, you need a fishing license.
And even if you catch a fish, you aren't allowed to eat most of them.
chile es una soberana mierda, como será que el 50% de la poblacion vive con menos de 300 lukas wn
Here in Florida, a show of residency is all you need in order to fish. I guess it goes state by state but I've personally have gone fishing without needing a specific license for it.
The world is larger than america mate. Not every country is a massively under-populated continent.
That's fine, but for a country that promotes itself as Communist you'd think that they'd lessen the barriers needed to sell and own their own means of production, and they clearly don't.
Chile es muy bueno pais. Chile tiene buena cultura y based mapuches.
imdb.com
mira, mira.
Me gusta mucho Chile :3
I see where you are coming from though, but communism is moneyless. IMO they should just go more in a market-socialist direction until they can figure out computerized central planning, which is going to require modernization and building of modern communication infrastructure.
He means socialist.
I know.
I'll upload these little by little, they're a mix of my second and most recent trip there. I'll be going again early next year to visit family and file some paperwork that needs to be done to bring in some family into the US, so there'll be more to come.
I also have some videos I've recorded, I'll upload some of them soon. Others I have to edit to rotate them horizontally.
I know what I said. We're arguing whether it's a socialist country, but they themselves call the government communist yet can't achieve the basic goals of socialism that'll lead them towards communism. That's where I'm getting at.
We are?
Must have missed it. I just argued that its not-shit and pretty good compared to other capitalist countries. Not that is was socialist.
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That doesn't look amazing but it doesn't look awful either.
mapuches? do you mean those shitskins that receive no respect from fascist police?
i mean, sure, my country is beautiful, but the system is corrupted as fuck.
Yeah, Chile has a lot of inequality, but it doesn't really matter if you consider they have the least poverty of all latin american countries.
Look at:
Unless I'm arguing with the wrong person.
I'm also trying to upload one of the videos I had but apparently they're too big. Same for the photos, I'm gonna try and reduce them down in size.
What are theses pictures supposed to show me? It looks pretty decent to me.
I think he's just blogging his holiday pictures.
Yea those are not me. How was cuba anyway? It looks hot as balls.
Yeah right now I'm pretty much blogging it up. It's not so bad to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there for extended periods of time. I stick to 10 day visits when I can.
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Yeah whats up with that?
Beef, that's pork. Pork is super cheap. I bought pic related for around $40, which gave me like 60 pork chop cutlets and a bunch of other shit. Their pork tastes a lot better than what we have here in the US but that's pretty much all they ever have other than chicken on a normal basis.
Also abundancy of food varies throughout the island. Havana and other provinces to the North rely more on rations and government assistance. My province lies towards the middle where traditionally it was always wealthy and plentiful in food. Second pic is of a dinner night I had.
Pretty cool. I'm thinking on going there sometime.
Go somewhere other than Havana. The further away from the capital you are, the lesser government interference there will be and the better your vacation you'll have. The black girl cleaning up the shack I stayed in was my second gf I had there and had deleted some photos I had from my previous ex and I's trip to a bungalo resort. On that trip I had to show my passport at several security checkpoints and I was able to snap a photo of said checkpoints.
Pork and chicken sounds like what I eat. Also, all of that for 40 bucks, damn.
Also, fuck cuba is a lot bigger than i thought.
Also, if you're in the EU, trade your spending cash for $100 bills USD. Trade them amongst the people rather than official currency change locations. You'll get 97-98% of $1 versus 70-75% official locations give you once they charge for taxes and other fees.
Jealous bitch
Also where do those black people come from? I thought they we're assimilated in cuba fairly easily? Are they from other islands?
Nope, that's my family. They did assimilate well, they used to be part of my great grandfather's extended family who worked on his farms. When the revolution came they held onto our papers and became the owners of some of the land he had owned. We still have the deeds for the other parts of land we had lost.
When did cuba abolish slavery? I was under the impression that (voluntary) racial segregation wanst as much a thing in south and ciribiean america.
historyofcuba.com
They were still treated as second class citizens until the revolution, but segregation wasn't as bad as in the US until the casinos and the mob showed up under Batista.
Has anyone read Che Guevara's book on guerrilla warfare?
Cool.
Never knew that. Very interesting.
Is it any good?
Wow. It is pretty big.
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We should get the mods to add it.
Can cuban's post on 8ch?
Do Cubans have internet?
I saw today that they're running a pilot scheme to get internet in the homes of Cubans. We should find some and bring them here.
The government set up like 50 WiFi hot spots. Some other people put satellite dishes on there roof under fake water tanks to get dial up internet.
Why? Is it illegal?
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I think so. Some Cuban gamer's have connected a ton of houses computers with Ethernet over the rooftop and created a local internet with social media and blogs and stuff. Its called street net.
You mean Cuba gets to relive the glorious days of BBS culture that I never got to enjoy?
Probably. It's kinda old, but the 2600 article on Cuba's Internet says they only found the US propaganda radio's website to be blocked, although it's very expensive (or was 10 years ago): 2600.com
There is also a huge media smuggling ring of people who import movies and stuff through the internet and through smuggled in hardrives from overseas and make 1 TB "packages" which they distribute. The ring is so large they can get movies 2 days after it comes out in theaters in the USA.
Yup, it's el paquetico. 16 gig USB drives are sold freely there at various stores. The young people buy them, find the person with the paquetico, and just transfer files over. Complete seasons of shows are only a few cuban pesos. It's mostly shows below 480p though.
Also for the kids they have game emulators and a ton of games from the N64 era to earlier.
Did you see that documentary as well?
No I lived it. I'm the guy who posted the pictures before.
I know one of the guys in the village who does it, I promised him that on my next visit I'll give him my 4 TB drive to borrow his Lada while I'm there.
Cool.
Also, in order to access the government wifi you need to open up an email account with ETECSA, which is similar to opening up a phone line. Without it you can't get access. It's fairly new tech though, so I wonder if you can switch DNS and connect to Google's Public DNS through it.
That blog is pretty cool. He included this picture of some books for sail
It seems they've got a bit of a cult of personality though.
How much Marx was on there?
Also, how is the music?
This isn't my picture.
You do the math
A tankie might say the government represents the workers.
According to Obama, "you" are the government. Socialists continue to call him "accused of being a socialist."
People like you need putting up against the wall
They've been pestered many times but they seem reluctant to do it
Bunkerchan has the Cuban flag though
kek
Chile es una mierda weon, las cago, nuestra democracia logra ser aun mas falsa que la de los gringos culiaos, la burguesia Chilena tiene a los payasos mas pateticos posibles como representantes, los obreros viven como el pico, el PC se puso reformista, los fachos culiaos no paran de hinchar las hueas, todo es una mierda.
Bump
Nice island, would be better without the Marxists
How about that 2-tier medical system right?
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Only Jewish Cubans.
its the jubans, they did 9/11
In Cuba the teenage girls are prostitutes.
What about at the Malecon?
Racism is alive and well in South America. The copy of a Goodyear ad said that their tires were stronger than a black man's lips.
The Cuban flag was designed during colonial times by a racist who supported the Confederacy during the US Civil War. Fidel never changed the flag, and racist jokes are the norm in the media. Fidel has made racist jokes about Barack Obama.
Proofs? Or is this liberal-speak for "has criticized"?