WEW LAD

Of course they do this because valve takes a small percent of every sale. They could've just added a donate button if they thought it was morally right to reward modders for their work
Fucking disgusting. At least we know last time it was tried it failed, no one's going to pay for fucking mods

Gabe has so much money he could pay them himself.

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Sure, because ever-expanding profit motives certainly haven't devastated the quality of output from the industry at large whatsoever.

Good luck you fat fuck. This isn't a computer for you to optimize inputs with the output being more shekels in your pocket. You're dealing with people, and people are going to resist being charged for something they've always gotten for free. Especially when 75% of the money isn't going to the people you ostensibly want to reward for "adding value." God damn money grubbing kikes.

PRAISE

this is more like if i take a professional photo, draw some dicks on it and go "fuck you look at this art, pay me". like if people starting charging for dank memes that get created

The 6 redditors that praised it count! Never forget!

Not praise, but some people out there actually thought it was a good idea

Never forget

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Modders should have the right to sell their labor to consumers. They also have to deal with the consequences of when eventually happens because that's how capitalism works. Get over it.

And you all asked for this. For all you Gamergate people who fought for ethics in journalism when you should have been fighting the system that allowed it to propagate, this is what you get. This is what you get when you let Holla Forums co-opt your shit and you can't see the forest for the trees.

I have no sympathies for any of you. Enjoy complaining about not getting your free shit from other laborers when you're essentially making the argument that money isn't an incentive to create or improve on shit you want.

Yeah well get fucked

t. Holla Forums

What makes you think we won't just pirate the paid mods?

If they want money that bad they can make a game and sell it. Money will just ruin the modding community. Good modders can just go and make games.

Here we go again

Also people will fucking fall for this shit and buy into this garbage situation where Valve makes money out of all your work where you'd probably make for if you just linked to your tip jar\patreon\paypal and get 100% of the proceeds.

But LE GABEN CAN DO NO WRONG literal reddit circlejerk will help propel this back into the forefront.

Someone's been pushing commie shit real hard today.
Why is that?

I agree with him, creators should be paid for their work if its good enough.

Rev up those faxes!

It would probably be good if modders could make money off of what they were making, other than the paltry donations they sometimes get, we'd get more quality assurance at the very least if they did earn something decent from it all.

But the chances of mod monetization ever being done in a way that's good for both modders and the mod users, especially by a profit seeking middle man, is pretty low at this point.

What should be use financing modders and getting a better mods out as a result, is probably only ever gonna end up being us paying for the same mods we used to get for free, no other changes.

You will, that's perfectly fine and on you. But don't act like you support a modding (((((community))))) like or claim to do when Holla Forums egregiously supports many of the most capitalistic practices.

You're hardly Holla Forums at all you fucking faggot

Completely untrue. There were people selling stolen mods day 1, broken mods and mods incompatible with other mods.

Or you know, Gabe Newell just wants to line his own pocket with some more money as he profits off of people's work. He's the fucking President of the PC platform's greatest video game marketplace, he and his company gets a cut out of every product sold on Steam, and if they can sell more products, he'll be happy. They already sell movies and non-game software. Soon their will be Valve shops in the malls, maybe Valve will utterly decimate Gamestop or perhaps buy them out entirely.

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I just wonder (((who))) is behind that post?

And here we go again.

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*there

Gabe is a Hillary supporting Jew FATASS give me his dox so I can kill this nigger.

Because it's piss easy troll material and you fags fall for it every time by going on a snipe hunt for a boogeyman that doesn't even come to this board.

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My only thoughts as I look at that pic

HERE WE FUCKING GO AGAIN LADS

Defending the very act of sale is what makes you obviously not lefty in any fucking regard whatsoever.

Go lurk Holla Forums for real you capitalist cunt

And you're more Holla Forums than you let on. Caring about the modding community and removing paid mods is admitting the fact that there's more to creating goods and services for other people than just money. It's the most socialist thing you can say against Valve and none of you will admit it.

I pay for games but I'll never pay for mods you fucking kike unless:
Make a system that's good for the consumer and price them appropriately. Even then, fat fucking chance. And gaben is fucking fat.

There is never ever going to be a HL3, user.
Not while gabe is alive, and perhaps he's done too much damage already.

here we go again

Having paid mods will create a mirror problem of the fucking cancer that's been festering in the gaming industry for over a decade now.

In the never ending march for more money, modders will no longer create anything based on interest and passion. The entire practice of modding will have its soul utterly decimated. Modding for games will be determined by the amount of potential profit or the money pool available for them, steering modding to games that are already heavily favored by normalfags and the cancerous elements of the modern AAA gaming industry.

If modders decide to chase the money, they will simply work on mods for the most profitable games, however "profitable" ends up being determined. They may leave the games for which they created mods behind, and turn their hobby into an empty and tedious competitive work for currency. If they attempt to avoid the money frenzy altogether, they'll likely become bitter at all their hard work going unpaid when they understand how much they could be making, or worry that their very work will be stolen and used by someone who will make money off it. The entire modding scene will become a bitter, competitive slugfest for churning out as much passable content as possible and doing it first, before anyone else has the opportunity to cash in on a certain idea. And despite all the money that's now on the scene like throwing chum into shark infested waters, how do you think support for the mods is going to go? Mods often breaks games with compatibility issues. If I pay for three different mods and they're all incompatible, or they later break the game when it updates, who's at fault for that? The mods are under no obligation to fix it, and they wouldn't want to anyway considering they already have their money. The devs don't care about mod compatibility and rightfully so, it's none of their concern. So what then? I've bought three mods that are now useless and are under no guarantee to be fixed.

Any modder worth his salt is going to run for the gold in the hills, and the only mods that will be created will be for the most attention and money driven games. Modders will all flock to Skyrim and Fallout, and their cancerous, retarded fanbases that throw dollar bills at every anti-consumer practice the jews can fabricate. It will do the same thing to the modding scene that normalfag patronage has done to the industry as a whole: totally erase any semblance of passion and genuine skill/talent, and foster only the barest shit catering to the lowest common denominator, creating content for only the games the normalfags care about.

There is no scenario in which this will fucking end well.

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are you new?

There's IDs on Holla Forums

This is the other reason that this absolutely cannot work. There is no mechanism for arbitration in the event of stolen mods, nor can individual developers likely afford IP attorneys, and there is no QA in regards to functionality or compatibility. Everything will get hand-waved away as if it's to be expected of an "amateur" product, meanwhile Valve and the associated publisher are raking in cash. For them there's no risk, no support costs, just profiting from the labor of others and gullible consumers.

Fuck no.
t. /pone/

Why you do this?

HL3 MUST BE MADE! IT HAS TO EXIST!

Just joining the merchantposting

I dont disagree; lots of time, effort and skill go into (some) mods.

Nope. Just integrate some means to "tip" modders via their Steam workshop pages or whatever. I dont doubt many already have links to their patreon already.

this is 100% how i feel about it. modding needs to be free not because i don't want to pay for them, but because modders make great mods simply because they either want game studio senpai to notice them (remember that DICE started by making Desert Combat for BF1942) or because they simply want to create. that is passion, and that is something that doesn't fucking exist anymore in gaming

PEOPLE NEED MORE WORK
MORE MORE MORE MORE
40 HOURS A WEEK SHOULD BE A MINIMUM
WHEN I GO OUT TO MY FRONT DOOR I DON'T WANNA SEE A POOR PERSON FOR MILES
WORK IS FREEDOM, WORK IS PURIFICATION

The biggest thing holding me back from supporting this is if modding really would be worth the money. As once money gets involved things suddenly are more restricted and subject to far more laws than when it is completely free.

And money changes the mindset of people and their motivations for doing so. Modding will no longer be a hobby. It will become a fucking job. And once that happens a whole host of new issues will arise as the market will become a hot bed of profit over passion.

I just don't trust the modding community to make something worth my money. It'll be like DLC but crunched together with an appstore. Plus publishers would crack down HARD on modders and what they can and cannot make and will be fucking hawks scraping every ounce of profit from it and deterring people who do it for free.

Are you suggesting that loli, bestiality and sex mods deserve the same level of recognition and respect as anything hanged in the walls of a museum?

I hate the human race right now

What's your point? I've been consistent in my message.

Take a more socialist approach to the gaming community and admit that companies like Valve, EA, and the like are demolishing it for the sake of making a buck off of the labor of the very same community they sell to.

Then add a donation button you greedy fat fuck.

Yeah commies are way too busy doing important shit to play video games… right?

With the state of today's museums they probably deserve more recognition.

This is the biggest issue. They won't do it for the fun of creating something people enjoy.

Nice pasta

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Why do you think people who play video games come here to post?

I don't think you grasp what valve is doing here, forget pirating games soon you will be pirating mods!

I'm talking about an ideal scenario, not one where the greedy middle man (Valve) is involved in the process.

What happen with Skyrim is exactly the opposite of what mod monetization should be about, if done at all.

No quality assurance, people were encouraged to half-ass or outright steal, there was no incentive to make better mods, and worst of all people who weren't directly involved in the creation of the mod were getting a significant cut.

How it SHOULD work is people work particularly hard on their mods, making them better, making them work 100% of the time, making them easy to install, and generally just making a better product for the installers, and in exchange, a fair payment in exchange. Instead of paying nothing for an good mod, people pay for a great mod.

But, really, that's how it should work in almost every industry, and instead things work like with Skyrims paid mod market.

You don't play online?

I don't know, I think living to see the age of MOD DRM and MOD PIRACY is fucking hilarious.

When they tried paid mods the first time, the guy behind SkyUI put it behind a paywall. An absolute fuckton of mods depend on that, so you couldn't use those mods without buying SkyUI. Mods tend to depend on other mods, and you can kiss modding resources and frameworks goodbye if paid mods become a thing.
Imagine if the guys behind the Fallout/Elder Scrolls Script Extenders started charging for them. Imagine if you had to buy Brutal Doom to be able to play Project Brutality. That's the future for modding if paid mods become commonplace.

I'm willing to donate towards mods that I like. I'm fine with people earning money off their mods. I'm not fine with gating them behind a paywall. Do what the Minecraft community does and use those adf ly links, or stick a donation link somewhere.
With Steam integration they could make this even better. Let us see the modder's wishlist so we could get him something cool as thanks.

Just add a donation option and be done with it, extra rules are just a pain

There is no point in talking about a ideal scenario when there is no scenario where this won't fail in some way.
What you're actually talking about, is the total destruction of everything good about modding.

Deploy the autistic fury.

This is pretty much what they should do. Just let people donate through steam and trusted mod hosting sites. Valve doesn't need a cut if they care about modders so much.

I said a museum, not a New York museum

But how will Valve make their cut as their Team Fortress 2 money is dwindling? Everyone wants to follow the parasite model of taking a little money from you along with your own daily expenses. Everyone wants to be the middle man in a deal where they basically do nothing and still earn money like every other job. Even clips4sale, an amateur porn buying website, doesn't fuck you as hard as Valve wants to do with you.

Big companies don't want simple solutions if they can't profit off it.

A lot of musems are just goung to shit, but yeah I exaggerated.

You complete fucking retard. You idiotic, stupid goy. Think before you post next time.
How is Valve supposed to arbitrarily siphon money off the top that way? No, what they should do is let you sponsor a modder's wishlist - you pay Valve $10 and then they get $5 off a game of their choosing.

Ok.

We all know the real reason for this is to take a cut and to get richer, despite already having a successful business model without needing to screw over the consumers even more than they already are.

I wish they'd fuck off with the mod shit. People do this for the love of the games and the passion for them. If you put money into it, it just becomes a corporate bullshit scheme all over again JUST LIKE THIS WHOLE GODDAMN INDUSTRY aside from a rare game or two.

HUMANITY WAS A MASSIVE MISTAKE
NO WONDER GOD ABANDON US

While getting paid for making a mod does sound nice on paper: a lot of modders use copyrighted material in their work and the profits they make from these mods has to be written on their taxes so they may attract the unwanted attention of copyright holders if they don't receive permission to do them nor promise to split their profits with them and a modder could get in trouble with the IRS if they find out he's fudged his tax returns (typically wouldn't expect a modder to be very good at filing them).

Oddly enough, a lot of modders have the financial incentive to put their work out for free instead of selling them.

And he absolutely need his 75% cut. Because he did most of job! These moders should cannibalize each other work to bring gaben more money! Who need cooperation anyway? And mods should be only in a form of hats to sell.

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Does Gabe not have enough money as it is? He already has two games that rake in loads of cash with minimal effort in CS:GO and DotA2, which is something other developers have been fervently chasing for years now. Do they not make enough money with the cut they get from all the games they sell? Are their server costs so high that they need to find new ways to jew people (doubtful)? This is just another scheme where Valve gets to put in minimal effort while raking in the dough.

Cooperation in industry? What are you, some kinda lefty faggot?

They will never do that, Valve has turned into a parasite company that gets rich off other peoples work and will want a substantial cut.

Copyright holders will definitely be called in if they really do this, so I think Steam will have to meet them on a game-by-game basis and create a generic agreement each modder has to agree to on each upload saying that they agree to split the profits between IP holder, publisher of the mod (steam) and then a pittance going to the people who worked on it you know just like real videogames.

Does anyone have the metrics by which the Skyrim mods revenue were distributed? If I remember right Valve keeps everything up to 1000 dollars then a 70-40 split in favor of Zeni and Valve take place on all sales afterwards with less than half going to the person who worked on it.

THEY NEVER LEARN

THIS IS THE COMPANY THAT:
>Gigantic playerbase 300-800k PLAYERS DAILY, so huge market for mods
>What should have been a gigantic mod scene for a game THAT USE TO BE A MOD IS FUCKING DEAD
WHEN ALL YOUR GAMES WHERE MODS AT ONE POINT

THESE GUYS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING ANYMORE

So is there any word on how are they going to solve the problems that come the inevitable millions of "ironic" mods, asset theft and copyright fuckery?

What you are defending isn't the ability for modders to be paid. You are defending modders who force the customer to pay extra for their efforts and Valve taking 3/4ths of the modder's profits. Right now a modder can ask for donations or put up a Patreon to compensate them for their work. Nobody cries if they stop working for free because nobody pays them or helps them out by sharing the workload. We are not attacking capitalism, we are attacking a revenue model that is outdated and anti-consumer.

Big surprise that you don't understand free enterprise.

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That's the problem with corporations. There's no such thing as "making enough money," no matter how much you make. The goal is always, always to make more, whatever it takes.

Sickening, he can't choke on his own putrid shit fast enough.

What's good about modding right now is that it's free and that it exists at all. That's pretty much it.

Mods are often finicky things that will break a game as effectively as a malicious virus, are things that modders will take years to create or improve upon because there's no incentive to do so over working at a job or enjoying another of their hobbies, and are things that once made will often never change, never be improved upon.

There's thousands of examples of mods that could be better, that could've come years before they ended up coming, that weren't, because the it was never anything more than a neat little side project that the mod maker worked on once in awhile, like a bird house in a garage. If we found a good way of incentivizing these mod makers, we could have much better mods for the games that already have them, and mods for games that don't already have them that otherwise might never have any.

As is should be, you fucking commie

Go back to farming for your baron, Johann.

This kills the pixelfag.

The major issue was Bethesda was getting like 75% of the money from the mods! They were literally getting paid for having non-employees make fan patches to fix their broken shit. That is potentially the most cancerous scheme video games have ever had.

Sounds like one of those Sponsor-a-child/animal campaigns.
"This is XxNoScopesxX, a poor child trying to find fun in Fallout 4. Every day he walks 2 miles to the local library, where he uses an old Pentium 4 powered Dell desktop to create nude mods. His craft is ignored, his story unwritten. He suffers in silence, in a world of concealed cleavage"
"For just $5 a month, you can help children like XxNoScopesxX fulfill their dreams of perving upon low-poly Polly and her bumpmapped bazongas. Donate now, and you'll recieve progress reports showing how your teen modder is doing, and you'll even recieve this hat, absolutely free"

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Judging by the author of the article i would judge its credibility twice.

I bet you buy lottery tickets too.

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Oh hey it's that meme guy.

Anyone have that image of him with all the shit opinions?

Maybe Gabe will pay the mods himself?

No, he won't pay. He will receive 75% of payment for them instead :^)

How many years old is the retard who wrote this?

I'm pretty sure that's how it worked last time he tried to do this shit.

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oh man i missed that guy. Good times.

Free enterprise most definitely allows for modders to force customers to buy their mods. This is what capitalism does, it has no concerns over whether shit is outdated or anti-consumer, you're going to consume anyways. You can't be a supporter of capitalism and then complain when shit like this happens, it's entirely allowable within the system.

And that's exactly what you should be doing. When you have people argue points like in and not realize they're socialist arguments by nature, in Holla Forums of all places, that's when you know you should definitely be attacking capitalism.

Gabe Newell please go away.

But he's quirky and nerdy lads! Just like that Big Bang Theory show!

DID SOMEONE SAY GOOBERGLOMPERS?

Yea Valve is pretty well always on the forefront of new methods in Jewry. I remember when they used to actually make games as honest work. Their noses surely grew 2 sizes the day they figured out they could make gambling with real money legal for children! Mods are another frontier to monopolize.

I hope it will paidmods happen because it will be bigger and sink harder than Tortanic.
I don't know how it could get any better.

GIGI GRABBLERS BTFO AGAIN

Oy vey, you filthy goyim just shut up and pay for the mods already! This will surely increase mod quality, just like DLC increased games' quality over time!

Is he Jewish? He looks really Jewish to me.

No one here is defending Judaism, you idiot.

It will degenerate into a clusterfuck within hours of launching, just like when Bethesda tried to do it. There is no way they can implement a mechanism not to turn this into a gigantic fuckup.

Just a coincidence.

He's not jewish. I don't know for sure, but I have a pretty decent working J-dar, and it's not going off with him. He's just a faggy beta.

If he were jewish, his nose bridge would be more pronounce, his eyes would be farther set apart and droopier at the corners, possibly with some circles under them and/or a "bulging out" look, and his hair would be curlier.

Not everything needs to be about money, you fat kike. Fucking redditors gave this hamplanet an ego far larger than he deserves.

but MONEY IS HOW THE COMMUNITY STEERS WORK, YOU STUPID GOY

I mean, faithful consumer.

I hope all leftists in this thread die in a fire.

There, I fixed it to what Valve actually meant.

HEY FAGGOTS, STOP SITTING ON YOUR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING!

ORGANIZE ANOTHER FULL BLACK PAGE FAX MACHINE SPAM RIGHT THIS FUCKING INSTANT

It's a given with threads like this, commies swarm to it like flies to shit.

remember when it was Holla Forums? they didn't even go to other boards, and still got blamed

this.

holy shit they didn't learn with the first VOID OF ABSOLUTE DARKNESS, they need another one

Did you know?

We need to do even more than just packages and BLACKED faxes. We need to do something really really stupid.

Faxes that make the machines catch fire

Like trick Antifa to rioting outside their office?

hes also more of a social retard than the majority of Holla Forums

Holla Forums is indeed new Holla Forums. It isn't boogeyman, they are truly dividing and shilling all over other boards. Fuck, Holla Forums doesn't shill as much as Holla Forums, especially when it comes to falseflag bait.
With all that said i am more of a centrist myself.

how has that fucking faggot not hanged himself yet? how does he still have a job? who the fuck reads his shit?

why do things exist when they shouldn't?

We tweet pictures of monitors on fire with steam accounts on the screen

Apparently the cool thing now is to buy clicks with chinese bots.

I'm just sick of this shit being discussed on a video games board. Mods need to start enforcing their offtopic rule and banning this shit.

Spoiler that shit, nobody needs to see Lenin's face.

That would end up terribly wrong for people who want to derail actually shitty threads.

You cant even talk about fucking video games on this board.

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I don't even know what you are talking about, all i've said was that i agree with Gabe Newell and then you reply to me with board drama nonsense that is completely unrelated to me.

I'm sure Holla Forums has everyone beat in that regard.

Fallout 4 is not a video game.

I support based Gaben for this, I believer hard working modders deserve to be paid, if you don't support this you're a communist scum from Holla Forums.

never forget that one chink that tried to make league of legends in valve's assfaggots only to get thrown out from a helicopter and memory holed.

kek

to be fair i think it's warranted in this thread. You're talking about a digital platform attempting to sell something that's always been free. Subjects like economics and the politics and philosophies behind them are BOUND to come up. If fags start getting bogged down in heated debate about shit like communal farms vs capitalist grocery stores or whatever the fuck that might be pushing it, but i wouldn't say talking about economics and politics is really off topic for this thread.

When are we going to run this SRS astroturf off the site?

We leave bags of burning shit at their doorstep.

delicious tears

A donation option or some other ad revenue scheme is good.
Now if a mod is a total conversion then I believe it has the right to be sold as stand alone. Come on, many mods are better than the base games anyways

When you have too much of something, guess what? it becomes less valuable. Gaben "Honorary Kike" Newell has billions of dollars, so does Trump; it's so much money between the two, nobody cares anymore. Now, guess which one of the two has more relevance and real power? Hint: it's the one who doesn't look like a fat rabbi.

shoo shoo commie scum

Holla Forums only exist because libertarian freedom of this board allows it to exist. Everyone's rekt by ancap hotwheels.

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Many mods basically FIX the damn game and make it playable in the first place. For example: City Skylines without the Traffic Management mod is absolutely unplayable in high population cities.

How about making a petition or write a tweet calling them rude names?
Maybe make a fundraiser for some completely unrelated charity to show them we mean business.

enjoy paying for mods cuck ahahaha

This kills the Paradox.

Yea but they will surely try and pad the landing. Otaku IGNigger and pcgamer and other shitty sites will surely be shilling well in advance for Bethesdas next mod-machine. Console users will bend over and take it like the true sissiesbois they are.

I give them one week. They're probably going to give certain few modders early access to mod kits and help with day one mods(dlc). Total meltdown will surely follow after launch and a few mods start flying out.

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I get a feeling that these drama queens will cry about people saying nigger or fag soon enough. I just wanted to talk about videogames without the halfchan bullshit but i guess that every community devolves into a safespace sooner or later.

Paradox probably will never agree to enable paid workshop. As will do several other companies.

(checked)
This tbh, I won't pay for shit.

nice cognitive dissonance

The stalker threads are barely alive
Almost ever thread is full of (1) bait/shit-posters desperate for attention
The only threads that have a halfway decent quality discussions are news threads
Most of the threads are generals for the 30 whitelisted games
the rest of the threads are template threads

Damn. I don't even remember that shit.

I guess but it's not going to stop people bitching. I remember the "Would communism fix games" thread, and it was something I actually thought about for a while. I basically came down to the conclusion that large studios would abuse the system, and indie-fags from san fransisco who have the loudest voice because of their sjw journalist cliques would oppose any sort of standards to hold the large studio to because of their modern art "standards are bad" shit. The industry would become an even bigger trash heap than it already is because the cancer slowly eating away at it would have the means to completely take over. Then the thread got deleted because of Holla Forums vs Holla Forums

That's what dubs are for fam.

The problem is we have it in every thread that has anything to do with video games. You need to be able to rationalize this shit before you go mentioning Trump in a Metroid thread. In almost every thread I go to I see Holla Forums calling everybody Holla Forums or graphs about black lives matter. I'm sick of it.

Boy do i have news for you.

And in my humble opinion those modders deserve revenue

If you don't believe hard working modders doesn't deserve to be paid, you're a commiecuck from Holla Forums.

I'll just pirate the mods who gives a fuck. Why does Holla Forums make such a big deal about everything valve does, we get around it every time. Also paid greenlight? Good have you seen have the shit on there. In the US the way to keep niggers out of your area is to charge more for rent, on steam the way to keep trash off of there is to charge for access.

imagine being this cuckolded lol!

STOP FUCKING REMINDING ME!!!

FTFY

this is just the evolution of "summer Holla Forums" and Holla Forums. their heads are too stuck up their own asses to realize the boards get ruined by them shoehorning their garbage everywhere and basically being the "thought police". shitting up EVERY thread where an opinion even slightly differs from their approved board agenda.

anytime you try to point this logical conclusion out at them they reply with a smug trump or by calling you buzzwords & boogeyman, basic "no true scotsman" fallacy. but then they complain about others ruining the board.

I'd ask cuckchanners if they took any of those but I don't want hiro to get page views.

Yeah, the game developers should pay them for doing their work and saving them hundreds of development hours. If they pass the bill to us, the players, guess what's going to happen even more so than it happens now? "Ship it as it is, fuck it, some modder will fix it later and we'll get a 10% cut from Valve anyway"

I hope Gabe finally dies of a heart attack. That fat fuck is overdue for one. Listen to this shit.
Gabe, nobody falls for this shit. Nobody believes that you're just a humble engineer who's here to fix a problem in a system. If you actually gave a fuck about modders being compensated, I mean really cared, you'd be altruistic, and not set this up in a way that gives you a nice juicy cut of cash. Stop pretending you're anything other than just another businessman leech. Your mother "created value" when she tucked you in at night as a kid; does someone need to get paid for that, too? Does that someone happen to be you?
Fuck you, you disingenuous, greedy cunt.

Could you please leave your politics bullshit out of this board and never come back

SAD!

What games had been worth modding anyway? If game needs to be modded to become good, it isn't worth any attention, since it means that devs are lazy scoundrels and fully rely on community to both pay and develop for them. Now they will not only charge players for game to develop it for them, but also make players pay "each other" for those modifications, while receiving most of the profit from it. Its like you a developer, but instead of salary you constantly paying your boss yourself to continue to work. Fuck, people already beta-testing for free early-access games.

It all goes for this. A worker that you don't pay, but he pays YOU.

And if paid mods take off, it will incentivize even more Bethesda-tier games broken on launch, since the publisher will literally get paid for someone else to fix their fuckups at no cost to them.

The problem is the shit you pirate won't be worth pirating you nigger.

OOOOOOOYYYY VEY
WHATS THE PROBLEM? DON'T YOU WANT THE WORKSHOP FLOODED WITH HAT MODS AND RESKINS? THINK OF THE CUSTOMIZATION!

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It's like Valve secretly wants mods to die off, to the point they have hired a fucking KGB team for their games to memory hole anything with potential. I just want to make a god damn RTS in it because they've done all the pathfinding, control groups, and other tedious shit for me. But nope. I might get the god damn gestapo if I do that. Not that it matters because nobody even plays custom games anymore.

Why do they keep flip-flopping? Do they think they nees to squeeze extra sheqels? Good thing I never used steam anyway.

" ARGH OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A SHILL FROM LEFTYPOL!!!" - cuckolded Holla Forumsyp

We have regular mass effect and hearthstone praising threads now too. A few days ago this board looked so promising, now all of a sudden it's dogshit again. I wonder if it gets worse on the weekened.

None, I don't mod any games. If the game isn't good it doesn't deserve my attention as I have a lot of selection. Just as you said.

Can devs choose to block any official workshop support for paid mods on their game? because i sure will try to fuck any modders trying to pull this shit when i release by game

Agreed. If someone has to pay the modder for their work, it should be the devs in the first place, because they are the ones who are mostly benefiting from mods in the first place: it both drives sales up (I know a lot of people who purchased WC3 just to be able to pay Dota 1 over Battle.net around 2004 or so, for example) and saves them the development cost of actually developing the fix mods are fixing to begin with.

This is quite honestly the most blatantly obvious and disgustingly jewish headline I've read in a long time.

What the fuck happened to the fat bastard? Was he initiated into some jewish cabal while no one was watching him? Fuck.

Are we seeing the start of a repeat of what happened almost 2 years ago now?

If so, We need to hit them just as hard if not harder than last time.

if valve thinks modders need to be paid for their work, why not just hire them and pay them for their work?

He is becoming George Lucas of video games

Why the fuck are you guys arguing about this? This shit was settled when valve with bethesda decide to go full jew mode with paid mods for skyrim and everyone with non-jew heart fought it. We won and it's gonna stay like that fucking kikes.

Fuck off retard

Where the fuck do you think you are?

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one more for good measure

Make a good mod gain fans and respect, make a patreon or post your paypal and simply say that you have to gain certain monetary goal to continue releasing mods and improving the ones you already made.

Any other option will just encourage developers to releasing broken or horribly unpolished games, cause why the fuck care or pay your staff for overtime when sucker modders will just do their work for them for peanuts and you'll keep the biggest part of their measly earnings.

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This seems like a non issue.
This is a market that will quickly dry up.

Oh look, this mod is requiring money but its not guaranteed in any way to work properly especially with other mods? Nah go fuck yourself on that.
Oh…this game is ONLY worth it for the mods? Guess I'll stop buying those games.

So basically modern Fallout and Elder Scrolls will just tank.
Boo
Fucking
Hoo

"We" won in that case because Fore convinced the other fuckers from the SKSE-team to openly oppose paid mods and threaten to sue every paid mod that relies on the scriptextender.

That alone made the idea crumble in an instant.
That might not happen when they try it next time with Bioware-gams or whatever.

Fuck this fucking faggot.

How did this piece of shit ever have meme status worship?

And pirates will still get the better product, I don't know if I want to keep going down this route but I want to see how insane it can be, cannot wait until people have to buy music for the game and other shit

You don't know steam. A lot of people hoard games they never play later, let alone know how to choose on what to waste money. There will be discounts on mods during holidays, both advertising games and their mods.

"Here, you can buy this mod only for $5 today! But be sure to buy the game too!"

Because he "gifted" us with Steam, user. It's time for us to gift him back.

It does, but it's not great in the first place. Loose moderation has allowed all sorts of cancer to find a home here.

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Listening to this whole stream will ruin your mood, I guara-fuckin'-tee it .

We already had that with their first attempt.
I thinl it was even on the same day they introduced it, that you could already pirate some mods that had their newest version behind a paywall.

If that's not you quoting, then literally kill yourself, you fucking shit.

Still going to leave at least one Jew alive, Holla Forums.

You are not killing Zach Braff.

When are we going to hand out bans for this shit?

Literally who

We should add wordfilters for words that they use to trigger them out of this board, i don't know what buzzwords Holla Forums (we can figure it out anyways) uses but i do know which ones Holla Forums does. If Mark wasn't a lazy piece of shit he would do it like how he wordfiltered normalfag into normalfag.

Newfag detected

So stupid people throw their money away.
So why is this a problem for ME to get bent out of shape about?

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Steam was once a simple more humble place shinning a light in a darker age. A time when the world was ruled by the ancient ones. Ancient evil consoles that had ruled for years with a golden fist.

Anyhow it was a mini renaissance in like idk 2009-2010+ or so on Holla Forums. Consoles were shitty and had severely outdated hardware and PC's were really gaining momentum as the go-to platform. People started playing all their games on PC and you got laughed at for making shitty consolewar threads when it was so obvious pc's were better. Good times until reddit took things out of hand and turned him into a god and reddit leaked into 4chan ruining it forever.

First thing first, we must ban people for antisemitism. I bet Mark is ready to do it, he should protect dignity of his people.

Not this again.

Can't you pirate and play online

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Just a normal day on polchan.

i don't think you understand what literally who means, m8. pretty sure you're being newfaggy yourself right now.

proven by the fact that you can go back and scrape up a few choice quotes from Gay Ben himself from, say, 15 fucking years ago that were very clearly pro-consumer and the antithesis of a lot of the shit he's trying to do now.

I agree with what other anons were saying even before 1st exodus to this site, gaben started out in a good place but he got himself surrounded with jews without knowing or realizing. They started spitting their forked tongues into his ears and whispering all sorts of vile anti-consumer pro-shekel bullshit you could imagine, and over the years they've twisted him into a despressing shadow of disgusting pity of his former self.

It's the guy who did some mod for HL2, doesn't mean he's some big figure

I meant something like this

you Holla Forums larping faggot. You do not deserve the divine light of Kek!

Millennial detected :^)

And which exactly are all those buzzwords Holla Forums uses?

Let's see how fast you back yourself into a corner.

LOL IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT XDXDXDXDXDXDXD IDIOTS
I DON'T LIKE THIS AND I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO AGREE WITH ME, WE MUST MAKE A STAND AGAINST THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOUR. EVEN THOUGH MODS ARE OPTIONAL I EXPECT IT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ME FOR FREE.

As funny as it was to publicly shout REEEE and I'M AUTISTIC, dignity is really off the table here.

Why people even pay for this shit? For servers? All the functionality of this shitty paid mod exists in basic source hl2 engine. Its literally fucking servers locked behind paywall.

I got it because youtube animations and got like 3k hours out of it because of gamemodes. It makes modding significantly easier since you can reload scripts in game.

Yes and?

I'm also free to not buy their game as well. The business model of forcing people to pay upfront for something does not apply well to non-tangible products. Patronage worked for art hundreds of years ago and it should work for video games now, whether original works or mods.

Meanwhile, you support an environment in which NOBODY profits from creative works. There's a reason there was only one notable video game ever to come out of Soviet Russia.

But they were blamed for everything and anything that went wrong, even when they had nothing to do with it. Sort of like goons. There's a large population of people here who think there is a dedicated contingent of attention-seeking forumfags who want to do nothing but shit all over a backwater imageboard all day.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Don't buy it
Stopping it is our duty, for the sake of future generation of retards.

Think about it, we could have stopped Haloniggers by showing them that there is a better way.

Are you a serious shill or just trolling?

pirate it
pirate all

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Please, you know companies will just get lazier and do less work while mods fix the game, so if you want to play the game, pay for both the mod and the game and the dlc and whatever else.

You need to fuck off. Now.

Is this kid trying to act smug?

Is that a G36c or a ACR? Looks like that weird hybrid rifle from Crysis 2 and 3.

reminds me, they tried to raid /monster/ and failed miserably because the BO is a taco from texas who hates commie shit.

Many helicopter rides were given that day

This sounds like speculation to me.

but thats what mods should be user
why else would you make a mod if you aren't going to get paid for it unless you mainly made it for yourself to use?

Look at Bethesda, or fucking Valve, hell in the case of valve they don't even bother making games at all.

It's either a G36K or a G36C. Look at the magazine.

Any games beside those made by bethesda?

To be fair Holla Forums is sorta centrist

pure coincidence

Well they must have them when I'm not here

When they finally do this, we need to do all the autistic, disruptive shit we did last time around, only even moreso–they think that if they keep trying, the outrage will be less each time. But if they learn the opposite lesson, they'll never try again.

Notice this - last time gaben decided to invent paid mods Holla Forums wasn't a thing. And it went without derailing. When it was only Holla Forums nobody given a fuck.

Flood their email with scat porn and gore?

I mean if you let companies get away with this sort of shit, it becomes the new standard.
Look at what MS did with Xbox Live, charging people monthly fees to shove ads up their assholes, soon enough Sony started doing it and now Nintendo too.

If you show companies they can just charge you or stop doing their fucking job and still get money, like every DLC out there, you are just shooting yourself in the dick because everyone else will start scamming you as well.

two to the one from the one to the three
I like good pussy and I like good trees
smoke so much weed you wouldn't believe
and I get more ass than a toilet seat
three to the one from the one to the three
I met a bad bitch last night in the D
let me tell you how I made her leave with me
conversation and hennessy
I've been to the motherfucking mountain top
heard motherfuckers talk, seen 'em drop
and if I ain't got a weapon I'ma pick up a rock
I'ma bust your ass and then continue to rock
get your ass off the wall with your two left feet
it's real easy just follow the beat
don't let the fly girl pass you by
but look real close cause strobe lights lie

I could be, but I prefer not to waste time with sarcasm when dealing with faggots.

Sure. Along with the black faxes, since that wastes machine time and valuable printer ink. Make shitty joke mods, or mods that blatantly violate copyright. Flood every comment section on every website with the talking points of why this is a bad idea.
Hell, it'll be even easier this time around, since we already know the downsides of this paid mods shit.

Even worse, he's Finnish

Yet you replied to me, checkmate autismo.

Just checked a few forums. I don't see anything on Nexus Forums, Escapist Forums or /r/PCMasterRace. Those would be good forums to start with, so if anyone here has an account for those sites go start a thread.

I'm just thinking there could be a way to make this enjoyable for the while it lasts when it's out

They wouldn't remove a Columbine reenactment mod in the next TES game would they. Maybe get a 9/11 mod to the top charts and charge .1c per download to bring it to the top of the modcharts.

Holla Forums doesn't support shit except practices that lead to good video games being made you faggot. If you think otherwise then fuck off.

Fuckoff Libertarian

Ripping things off LoversLab and sticking it up there would cause the people who originally made it some grief while letting you see how far you can go with porn. Last time they pushed this the realistic horse vaginas mod was stolen and uploaded for the small price of $100.

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Literally the only reason Gabe is pushing this idea so hard is because it's some of the easiest money Valve would ever get. If Valve were only getting a tiny fraction of the sales from each mod or nothing at all they wouldn't be interested.

He has no interest in the wants or needs of the modders themselves, he just sees them as another way to pad out Valve's revenue. Any modders with a shred of decency should be against this idea.

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I literally said trying to be smug when I'm not is a waste of my time, you stupid faggot.

Never thought of it that way. We know that the modding community will be hurt since if any of you were there you saw it with your own eyes. Many modders turned coats to the jew gaben, some quit, some decided to stand with us. Modding websites contemplated the end, same for forums. We saw the damage it did within days and its left a hidden rift till the day we have to face this once more. Watch as modders virtue signal and come out of the wood work soon with talks of "poor modders not getting paid for a passion of love" or we "are entitled". But this time we won't listen to these lies, we've heard it once and that's enough.

Just realised, if you want a reason why paid mods are stupid imagine if you went on workshop and find link related with fucking pricetags on everything: steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=4000&browsesort=mostrecent§ion=readytouseitems&actualsort=mostrecent&p=1
That's Garry's Mod's workshop sorted by most recent. Do any of those look good enough that you'd pay for them? This is the quality you get when mods become paid mods. Tards start uploading anything and everything in the hope that somebody uses it.

user, the problem is not in paying for a mod, I'm totally on board with a donation system for example. The problem is how much of a clusterfuck all modding communities will end up being if this becomes true.
Modding communities reuse assets from other mods, they mix and share so they can create better content. Even then, you still have shitstorms when some guy uses some asset from a mod some asshat made. With money involved this will happen x10000, people will isolate themselves, the communities will fell apart and as a result the overall quality will plummet. You will get the occasional good mod that justifies everything at the cost of every person giving 75% to the companies for doing absolutely nothing.

What they really mean is:

Fuck Valve. They obviously no longer care about creating games or even a quality platform anymore. Every thing they do lately is based on trying to make money off of other people's work. They're behaving like stereotypical kikes.

You keep replying to me, why?

This is exactly the point, couldn't put it better. You want to know why mods are so good and add so much to a game that supports them? Because they're made with passion, because somebody thought it'd be a cool idea and had the gumption to follow through and share it with others.

You take away that passion by turning it into a job. Gaben doesn't understand this anymore, fat fuck that he is, because he hasn't had the passion to create anything worth a fuck in years.

Clearly only communism can save videogames.

Is it time for butthurt furfags? I think it's time for butthurt furfags.

These. Even worse if you see modder cliques become an even worse thing. They're not that bad now but throw money into the mix, you're sure to see multi-layered scams. Add that you will also get goons and sjws who will try and hijack the whole thing like they do everything else. Ideology aside, you will live to see modder cartels of sorts that make it hard for smaller or new modders to make any real headway. The whole idea is terrible on multiple levels.

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Im glad other people point you people out so its easy to shitpost

This fat faggot also attacked Trump, saying their employees couldn't come home.

He said this several days
AFTER
it was suspended by the courts.

Fuck that fat kike, as we speak, I have a Linux machine "installing" games to a virtual disk that doesn't actually exist just to drain their bandwidth.

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I'm so sorry Mr Important doesn't have sympathies for us. Now where's that damn handkerchief to cry on…

I would just say here's your (You) but on the off-chance you're a newfag (because with that kind of talk you're most certainly not from around here) I will explain this shit to you so you better pay a-fucking-tention because most people around here would just tell you to fuck off (and honestly you deserve it.)

I've been modding games for more than half my fucking life. It's what I do. I started with Duke Nukem 3D when I was 10 years old and have since taken up Doom, Half Life, and Quake (my main game) among others. I put a shitload of effort into my work and love what I do. I'm glad to put a fucking smile on someone's face when they like it. I still have some of my own Deathmatch maps that I made years ago in my regular QW rotation.

Now you Redditors will say "Well if you love making mods and you put so much effort into your work, why wouldn't you want to be paid for it?"

This is where I tell you to blow me.
The reason for this is because as much as I do slave away for the mods that I make the basic principle is that the copyright holder for the game would get a cut, as well as Valve for my work. I already own these games and they don't deserve a goddamn DIME extra, especially for a work of my own creation. It doesn't matter if they own the rights to the game it's based on. They got money for it already. Whoever wants to play my modification has to own the game to play my mod. That is fine. At the end of the day it's a disgrace to the concept of modding and it's going to DESTROY modding communities. Valve can eat shit and die and so can anyone else who supports this shit. If you think you as an outsider can speak for the modders as a whole then you've got life fucked up and you should consider boarding the Titanic.

So let me get this straight: You want paid mods to be brought about as a means of social engineering parents into not pressuring their adult children into getting jobs.

I almost admire this level of autism-fueled hate.

Then slam this indefensible retardation as hard as possible until it dies and is made an example of.

ITT: Steam is crashing the modding scene with no survivors.

He just did.

Gabe's a big guy.

But, some game could just release outside of steam and have it's on modding scene, like minecraft.

1. What were doing his employees in middle east?
2. Why he cares if they don't come home? It's not like they would work in something, isn't pretty much confirmed that people at Valve gets paid for doing nothing?

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We went over this the last time Valve pulled this: creating a paid marketplace for mods incentivizes modders, even those who aren't particularly interested in being paid, to participate in that marketplace, because: 1) they'll feel bad that they're not getting paid when others are, and 2) they'll try to get their product into the marketplace because there's the ever-present risk that someone else will just steal their mod and profit off of it–this is especially true given Valve's ironclad refusal to implement anything resembling quality assurance.

Valve is trying its fucking damnedest to kill the modding scene on PC. Which I find really fucking strange since modding is one of the plus points of being a PC gamer

What is there's a conspiracy and console makers are paying Valve to kill PC gaming so people move to consoles? Think about it, Valve first tried to turn PC into consoles with the Big Picture and Steambox shit, and when they realized that wasn't working they started up with the paid mods bullshit
I find this all very concerning. There's no fucking way Valve could be this retarded to not believe they are creating this friction in the one aspect that truly gave PC an advantage over consoles. They are doing this intentionally

How will they steal a mod from a game that is not on steam? Where are they going to put it and profit off it? Can't be steam.

They're a big company, and Gabe is a greedy fuck. Nothing is too useful or sacred to escape sacrifice on the altar of profit.

Well, with Steam being such a huge distribution platform, I have to wonder how many mods are being made for games that aren't available on Steam. Sure, there will be some, but I think most of us are concerned about the wider modding scene, not about a handful of hypothetical games.

Wow, you sure showed him.

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Wow, you sure showed me.

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There is simply that players being able to mod their games freely takes away from the on-disk-DLC-driven "monetization" model (from this general publisher-driven business model of "we are the only ones who are allowed to add to your games, goy, now pay us more") that Valve use in their games and that's getting emphasized more and more in modern videogaming in general: Note "sv_pure" becoming the default in Source engine games, TF2 and CS:GO never getting SDK releases (and both of them getting increasingly arcane measures designed to prevent players from implementing custom weapons/"inventory fakes") and the whole concept of the Steam Workshop as a way of setting up this central, publisher-driven control mechanism for how players are allowed to mod their games. This all comes together in my eyes simply as Valve seeing modding (or, more broadly, players simply being the ones in control of their games and of what they do with their games) as their "enemy" and wanting to kill it for that alone.

Look at the Sims Modding Scene.

Ever since people discovered that folks were getting 2K a month for animations ranging from shitty to well done, everyone jumped on the bandwagon and then the quality of the available animations dropped to the point that there's only Shit animations and barely worth the time animations available.
My friends have been trying to push me into it but screw that shit.

The desire for money is always greater than the desire for community. Unless the modder is already wealthy.

Personally, if I was rich. I'd draw for free and animate for free, all day everyday, but since I'm poor I require a two real jobs in order to save up money , raise kids , so I can finally have time to do what I want when I'm 70.

If I even live that long.

4U

I wouldn't believe consoles are doing it.
Developers themselves have been increasingly lazy but excessive entitiled to the point that a 60 dollar game is considered "the Lite" version of the game.

Example.
If you kill the modding scene for Bethseda games - Gamers are then enslaved and forced to wait for actual patches to be released. No more fan patches.

Remember Fallout 3? How the fanpatches fixed that buggy POS within the launch week? But it took a year and a half for the offical patch to launch and when it did, it broke all the fan patches and introduced new problems and glitches into the game.

Remember Saints Row 2.
Long story short. Without fanpatches and mods that game would be an unplayable piece of shit.

Even people have taken to modding the new 3DS pokemon games because Gamefreak doesn't seem to realize that those black lines actually cost more processing power and when removed the game actually runs faster even on the O3DS systems.

If you kill the modding scene and make it paid only,the cancer will spread to sites like Hongfire and eventually H-Games. Can you imagine the hell that will bring?

Nobody pays for H-games to begin with ( except those losers who buy that pateron shit) . No one will pay for H-Game Mods.

Mods, in my opinion are supposed to be delicious sprinkles on an already delicious cake. A bad game with great mods is still a bad game.

I remember how Skyrim was patched after a year to fix prop clipping used in speedruns, and fixing that one problem broke so much other shit the retards at Bethesda had to revert the patch entirely.

I don't think so, they do this because it's the next logical evolution in their money making scheme. They are already kind of doing this with their own games, they want to expand it to other games too. Valve's motto is pretty much making people make money so they can take a cut.
See how they spun the narrative in VR by condemning other companies for having closed exclusivity gardens like Oculus, because they know Steam is a monopoly and people will go there by default, they don't need the exclusivity deal anymore, like they did when they released all their games under it at the beginning.

The bottom line is that modders will move to games on steam. I can already see the doom modding community shrinking in half just because of this change.

I mean spreading the hate.

Help fucking collectively backlash against that entitled shit, user.

Beth and Valve got 75% and the modders got 25% during that short Skyrim run. Those aren't just regular Jews we're dealing with in here.

That's complete nonsense. Gaben has between 20 to 30% of what Trump has.
That headline is just based on the leftist wishful thinking that paints Trump as some poor fool who is a failure at business and has no money.

Then go ahead and send them money, faggot.
But you'd rather feel self righteous while spending other peoples money, strange how that works.

If you tried using your brain for 3 seconds you might realize that this is relevant to YOU because YOU don't exist in a vacuum, so that stuff will affect YOU just like everybody else.

Retard.

Yeah, people are acting as if this had been tried before and turned into a complete shit-show within hours. It's like they don't even know that our smugness trumps their empiric evidence.

as soon as you stop being a bitch and report it.

Don't make me advertise my Nintendo Switch preorder

do it faggot

You're killing me, Mark.

What games would you be playing?

Best be kidding mark. You should know why pre-ordering is normalfag shit.

I never liked steam and haven't bought a game off steam for the last 3 years but am now officially boycotting them. If a game requires steam I'll be sure to buy it directly from the developer so they get 100% of the profit. This paid mods notion is total bullshit, if they want to make a career out of it they can get a job as a developer or make their own game. Have a donation feature.

Fat fucking kike. Get off your ass and make a game before you make 10 more systems too leech cash for the effort of others. Piece of shit !

This level of capitalism is just as horrible as communism. If an attitule like this becomes prevalent, just imagine how culture and our morality will degrade? Horrifying.
With this, Valve falls into the same trash bin as Soros and SJWs - groups that are trying to remodel the world in a horrifying, unnatural image.

You only have to be old enough to remember skins and models for Counter-Strike, their first really, really big multiplayer game (which was a mod), to figure out why. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Then Valve gets to be the sole source of that content, taking a big cut on every transaction. Consoles have nothing to do with it. Now you can't even just buy the skins in CS which used to be free, they're only distributed by Valve's slot machine, then marked up by rarity on the market. Valve is meanwhile profiting at every step and laughing all the way to the bank.

Smells jewish in here.

We pushed them back once. We can push them back again. The time for war has come once again. Let us be the ones to fire the first shot.

This far in and noone mentioned how this kills mods due to mods often being built off of another man's work?

It's a nightmare.

sage because BO is a fucking nigger

It has been mentioned; read the thread. Also,

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