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The Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria, also called Rojava, is a region in northern Syria that has become self-governing in the wake of the Syrian Civil War.

The ideology of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), the leading party in the coalition which currently governs Rojava, is a libertarian socialist strain of thought called Communalism. Communalism was developed by the American ex-anarchist Murray Bookchin and later attracted the attention of Abdullah Öcalan, the imprisoned leader of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Turkey. From there, the ideology spread to the predominantly Kurdish Rojava.

Kurdish nationalist parties have a presence in Rojava, but the aforementioned governing coalition is multiethnic. Arabs, Assyrians, and other minorities are present in Rojava, and strives have been made to represent these groups in the politics of Rojava.

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Gross. No thanks.

sorry they don't follow st. stalen marx's (pbuh) praxis? #notmycomrades

This but unironically.

I considered making a small educational game to concisely explain Rojava to a wide audience. It consists of a YPG fighter repeatedly stomping on a torn daesh flag while YPJ girls dance in the background to tetris music.

I'm not sure about the development platform yet.

nice meymey there boi.

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Can someone disprove the "ethnic cleansing" charge that keeps getting thrown at Rojava/YPG?

wut?

seems there are sunni arabs worried about getting annexed into a new kurdish state. also, I believe some of their towns got messed up when ISIS was driven out by YPG.

the kurds on the ground won't know who is with ISIS and who isn't. I haven't seen any evidence yet, but it's not hard to imagine that some fucks ups have happened. it won't be quite as bad as, say, western forces bombing entirely the wrong town in afghanistan, but it could still get quite bad.

the thing is, nobody trusts each other over there, and the US don't actually have a plan on how to deal with territories taken back from ISIS. even after ISIS is defeated, all the various factions will still hate each other's guts. the western world just happens to like the kurds at the moment because they were loyal to the US in the past and they turn out to be the only competent ground force available for stomping ISIS.

huh, wrong image. oh well. pretend I said something about erdogan smear-campaigning and insisting all kurds are terrorists.

Is he a Maoist or a Stalinist

Let me repost some stuff where a guy answered questions about the movement's ideology:

"Concerning ideology I have just this one question:

Since Noam Chomsky and Murray Bookchin are one of your main influences, why doesn't the movement consider itself anarchist?

Is it jus tbecause the word "anarchist" has the meaning of "chaos, violence, destruction"? Or is there an ideological reason you don't see yourself as anarchist?"

-"There are good critiques of anarchism by Ocalan. Namely, it never really identified with the masses or at least have strong grassroots connections (it was in someways overly intellectual), it was very dogmatic/it never changed as the world changed, it was overly individualistic, it did not talk about how to change the state itself, it never had a strong impact on society (historically), etc. All of this can be found in The Roots of Civilisation (book 3 I believe).

That's one element. Also, don't forget, we have to synthesis what's good about anarchism. It's rejection of authoritarianism, it's ecological aspects, and so on.

You have to separate what has not worked with what has worked. A longer piece can be found on this here, specifically in regards to the anarchist-elements of Ocalan's ideology that we are using: roarmag.org/2014/08/pkk-kurdish-struggle-autonomy/"

"Thanks for your reply (…) After that, it is as you said, that it became purely intellectual and it has been a very long time since the masses have identified with anarchist ideas so critique is definitely in order. But the only thing that is really important is that anti-authoritarian socialist ideas are spreading, and if the PKK have become open to these ideas, than this is defintely a very good step forward. "

-"Yes, and we celebrate May Day every year to commemorate the sacrifices of the early anarchist movement."

So as you can see, because Ocalan dared criticize anarchism he is actually Stalin reborn and will soon show up at your door to kill you with a pickaxe. Thanks for listening.

There's been secret meetings in recent days between Damascus and TEV DEM about the future of Rojava comrades. These are crucial times for the revolution.

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I think the most simple and effective way to dispel the ethnic cleansing meme is to read the single amnesty international report that it's based on. Not only does it never accuse the YPG of ethnic cleansing, but even still the whole report is based on rather flimsy second hand information. What they accusing the YPG of doing to Arabs has been done by the YPG many times over to Kurdish villages. So the accusation never made sense.

The YPG do have an image problem in some Arab areas though.

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3dtszo/comment/ct8l1el?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d30f777d

These things heal over time though. IS anti YPG propaganda also has a part to play.

keep your head in the sand comrade

This. Just yesterday 'Rojava' (means West in Kurdish) was officially removed from the name of the project as to remove any element of Kurdish nationalism. It's now officially known as the Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria.

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enoughisenough14.org/2016/12/29/interview-with-an-anti-fascist-activist-fighting-in-syria/

New interview with a volunteer

What would you rather have? The YPG forcefully seizing all businesses and resources, then handing over control to vanguard cronies followed by the mass murder of "kulaks", "revisionists" and small business owners?

But really, you should stop acting like being critical of theory and practice is bad.

Theory is nice, but we need practise. We can improve on the practice just as we can improve on the theory.
Besides, what would you rather have us do? Avoid revolution out of fear we might do something unorthodox?

Make a substantive criticism first faggot. Shitposting doesn't count

So, there's a couple of things playing into this. I've read parts of the amnesty report and parts of the YPG response report, and I'll have to say the response - while pretty silly at times - does hit the head on the nail most of the time.
There's just no evidence that any of the claims that people make about the SDF happens at anything near the scale that is implied. Most of the evidence used in the Amnesty report are either second-hand stories, or second hand stories backed up by satellite images of destroyed houses, which of course proves close to absolutely nothing.
What I have seen people report though, and what the YPG does admit to, as far as I understand, is a number of isolated incidents of mistreatment of PoWs, escaping Daesh, and civilian supporters of Daesh. Also, it seems that most of these incidents have been committed by HXP draftees, who are not as ideologically motivated as the YPG, not volunteers, &c. I'll admit to not actually looking too much into this, but some YPG officers wrote about this somewhere, if you look for it you'll probably find it.

Like the other responder I linked also mentioned, there's a pretty massive disinformation campaign going on from both Daesh, AKP-drones and Baathist tankies, which one really has got to take into consideration. This doesn't mean that one should disregard criticisms of Rojava, but that one should realize that in the exact same way as one would have some healthy skepticism towards any subject where the sources contain serious vested interests in controlling your belief, you need to actually look at the conclusions that are loaded into the claims being made. e.g. "we must disregard Rojava entirely because they're supported by the U.S.", or "we must disregard Rojava entirely because there are these isolated incidents of serious mistreatment of PoWs".


I'm generally very supportive of Rojava (DFSNS?), and think it's probably the most important leftist societal development in the world in decades. But from my understanding isn't private property still pretty much the dominant property relation with regards to most manufacturing/production?
From what I've read of society in Rojava currently, I think it has a lot of potential as a revolutionary transition to more libertarian leftist political systems, which definitely includes systems that one would traditionally describe as socialist, but I wouldn't describe them as socialist themselves.
Am I totally in the wrong here? Does the civilian peace-keeping forces in conjunction with the justice system not uphold private property rights in any sense that we are used to? Or do you think that the system can still meaningfully be described as socialist with private property rights and production under SNLT?


wew

A figure that's cited on here often is 80% of the economy is "socialized". If you have conflicting sources please share them

Hey guys out of curiosity, I'm currently in university studying psych, I'm pretty fit (competitive weightlifter) but have no combat training in particular. Would it be better to finish my studies (I have one year left) and join my country's reserve army to receive military training, bone up on Kurdish and Democratic Confederalist theory and then in a year volunteer for the YPG? Or would it be better to fly over ASAP and receive indoctrination and training there? I would like to finish my studies if possible but I also desperately want to help the cause, does my first plan sound like a better option or should I just nut up, put my studies on hold and volunteer now?

If I were in your shoes I would get my degree first but without knowing more about you I can't say what's right for you. You should keep in mind though that a year from now the situation in Rojava could be entirely different, so if it's of the utmost importance that you go it might be a good idea to go now.

Also keep in mind that it can take a while before they're ready to bring you in so you might be able to finish up your degree while you're on the waiting list.

You should learn kurdish before you leave. Beyond that, I think you should go as soon as possible.

I sent off an email asking the question in my post and some other questions to the. I also have asthma and a history of depression and am curious if they can treat those things and if they would want someone in their army who


I would like to go as soon as possible but it seems like with the new difficulties smuggling people and the ever increasing waiting list I might have to wait that long anyway. If I can get there sooner I still might aim to go at the end of 2017. If I go over untrained and ignorant I will need to spend 3+ months being trained and even more time indoctrinated before I'm useful. If I ditch my degree and go over before the end of the year it will probably be the same amount of time either way. Plus if I finish my studies I might be able to help the fighters suffering from PTSD or depression as a councillor.

*has those problems.

The degree might make it easier for you to actually get there. Along the way, you can say your objective is humanitarian aid and mention the degree and your interest in PTSD counseling. You'll be less suspicious at the airport etc.

This kind of aid might become your goal anyway. Even if you go immediately, by the time you actually get out of boot camp the whole region will have changed and the focus might already be on reconstruction.

There is a big problem with suicide in the YPG because Kurdish culture is very insular and stoic when it comes to dealing with trauma so I think if you could help set up the infrastructure to help with that it'd be great. I'm sure you could set up something through TEV DEM to help with that.

You guys actually raise a really good point I hadn't considered until now. I wanted to go over and fight but there probably aren't that many people going over to be psychs/counsellor. I think I will wait until I've graduated and then head over. I'll try and get in contact soon and make plans to go end of 2017. In the meantime I'll get started on learning Kurdish, I'll need to be fluent if I'm gonna treat anyone.

I'm glad you figured out a plan. When you eventually write a book about your experiences, don't forget to dedicate it to user & user!

I myself am not so sure what I could do to help right now, but in the future they might need more tech guys.

Since I started following Rojava and the Kurdish struggle I've really come to have a burning hatred towards Turkey and I'm wondering why people don't look at Turkey like they do Israel

Haha we'll see user. First I gotta graduate and then get myself to Rojava alive. This plan does fill me with a purpose which feels nice but I've got a long road ahead if I want to really get this going.

I think that Rojava will almost certainly need help with establishing/maintaining IT infrastructure once the region has stabilised and maybe even beforehand. You should get in contact and see if there's a need. Who knows user maybe we'll meet over there, look out for an Aussie doing counselling haha.

Rojava Plan used to be great for bringing non soldiers (as in teachers, builders, artists etc) over. It's a shame that broke down

If you're doing/learning software, look up some of the foss tools that they use / develop, might be that they could use more hands.
If you're more general tech or still open to specialization, look into communications infrastructure, especially decentralized or decentralization of implemented infrastructure.

I definitely feel the same; in fact I was silenced at my local BDS for wanting to build more support for Rojava because apparently it would upset the Turkish supporters of the group.

People who only dish out solidarity when it's fashionable and convenient are not my comrades. It isn't that long ago when speaking up for Palestine was viewed very negatively even among certain circles in the left.

The idea that we should remain silent on oppression because it might hurt some feelings is disgusting tbh.

As an Irishman I'll never forget how people like John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn ceaselessly defended Irish people at the height of anti Irish sentiment during the troubles.

That would be great, user! I'd love to meet you there. The sense of purpose will likely help us finish our studies.


Though I still have a long way ahead of me I can probably look into the most obvious tools and start contributing as a programmer. I know they use gnu privacy guard, for one thing.

I'm feeling a bit down right now, though. My friend predicts a future where the west will let Turkey get away with everything.

This is one of my more "normie" friends. He never talks about conspiracy theories, and our conversations are either about movies or just full of easy, vanilla mainstream views. Today I asked him rather flatly, "why is nobody talking about ISIS being driven back? Kurds are about to make history, yet there's nothing about it in the mainstream media anymore. Everybody just keeps talking about fucking Russia. Why is there no news on the Kurds?"
Then my friend told me something that made my skin crawl. "Well, that is probably so you don't grow too attached to them. The US doesn't like dealing with these little factions for long. They prefer dealing with strong, tightly controlled states. States such as Turkey, which is a NATO member no less. The US needs Turkey to stay happy, especially now as relations with Russia fall apart. Probably the Kurds will be betrayed." My friend is a student of political science.

How do we deal with this worst case scenario? The only solution I can come up with on short notice is to spam social media about the YPG's progress (but not quite enough to get you ghost banned, which is what happens when you spam, say, wikileaks on facebook and twitter).

People everywhere need to have it rubbed in their faces that YPG is destroying ISIS. This image needs to be kept alive, to make it harder for the US to suddenly cut off support and then pass the ball to Erdogan.

If you're still learning, I think sticking with application layer stuff is a good idea.

Your friend's not stupid, and that analysis is not in conflict with what many people here predict.
I also think that you're right in thinking that the public outcry in support of Rojava will be a necessary part in ensuring the future of Rojava's foreign relations.
But, I think that it's not the only thing that has the potential of influencing this prediction.
Like your friend says; the US likes dealing with strong controlled states. The internal conflicts of Turkey can put this stability into jeopardy, they just had a coup attempt and are at this point still fighting a decades long and currently escalating internal insurrection. Disregarding what these domestic instabilities might result in politically in Turkey, they might make it impossible to collaborate with them on their terms without committing political suicide, as a European or American politician.
Journalists in Northern Syria / Turkey have an important role to play in determining the outcome of the coming conflicts.

I'd like to see some more of Ocalan's books translated to English. Apparently he's written many. I've only read the democratic confederalism one (and it's more of a booklet outlining the basics of the ideology).

Anyway I know the personality cult is creepy but he seems based. i think the Kurds will take it extremely bad when he dies though.

muh "actually existing imperialism" is more than a tactical challenge to "work around"

Well, good. I hadn't considered this yet. Turkey isn't exactly stable right now, and so it is hardly an ideal partner for the US. That will give YPG some breathing room.

From the essay I read, Bordiga appears to be yet another organicist (like DiaMat/fascism) who clouds his holistic metaphysics by constantly calling everyone else spiritualists and retarded. I don't see any reason to read further.

And half of the start was just "Marx completely BTFO libtards, how will they ever recover". It was extremely self-congratulatory, highly speculative, and nothing you wouldn't have understood from Marx's own criticism

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Ahahaha, nope

Care to retort to ?

Why can't you be more empirical? :^)

It's a joke
Postmodernism a shit

Most of them are written in Kurdish then?

How long would it take to actually master Kurdish for purposes of successful translation work?

I see.

Also, checkem.

There are a lot of books already translated like The Roots of Civilization and Manifesto for a Democractic Civilization. Worth reading.

You're a traitor to everything left communism stands for.

Pardon, do you know if there are links to pdf files in an older thread? I don't see anything in the /lit/ thread (the one with the touhou showing her arm pits).

I'd like to read Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization, if that's also what you recommend as a starting point.

By the time I finally become useful to Rojava and then manage to get smuggled across the border, YPG will have already crushed Daesh five times over.

For now I'll just donate money to the Kurdish Red Crescent. It doesn't sound as heroic, but at least money is fast.

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Easy on the memery, friend. He already admitted to making a spook- I mean joke.

How old is this image anyway?

Hearts of Iron IV: A Kurd Hope

Happy new year to Rojava!

On euronews, they ran a story on ISIS being under siege but only spoke of "Iraqi forces" and US air support. It seems mainstream media are ignoring Kurdish efforts, presumably to avoid angering the Turkish state.

Meanwhile, Turkey has suffered a devastating terror attack carried out by lone wolves inspired by ISIS. One could argue that the Kurds are doing Turkey a favor by properly annihilating Daesh. It would be nice if the international community actually recognized this favor.

Turkey happily let ISIS use and abuse its border without ever reproaching them for years. Once the YPG took these areas off ISIS, Turkey immediately stepped in, invaded Syria and has been shelling Kurdish towns and cities every since. Really makes ya think huh.

k*rds are below human and saddam did nothing wrong
fuck all you cucks

6 months I think?

Jesus H. Christ. How long has this been going on?

Do you have any links to articles about it?

t. turkroach

Nice post from a previous non ideological volunteer

what happens when Assad teams up with Erdogan and betrays Rojava? will they be crushed quickly or will it start a new war?

demconua.wordpress.com/

hopefully this catches on

I suppose Rojava got a few lucky breaks:

1. ISIS will probably keep resurfacing for a while and so the US will continue to rely on YPG to do all the dirty work of searching for hideouts.
2. Erdogan is weakened. Guy purged his own army and is increasingly unpopular in the west.
3. Assad is weakened. He relies on Russian support. The Russians just want to block the plans for le secret qatar-turkey pipeline and don't really care for the rest of the region.

Thanks for linking this!

I hope this is true but it seems unlikely especially given the recent truce between Assad and rebels. Assad will want to get rid of Rojava and while the Turkish military is weakened it could still occupy northern Syria if it needed to. Erdogan is certainly unpopular but I don't feel like the west or Russia would care enough to intervene if he went after Rojava.

Today the SDF captured West-Tareq, East-Tareq, Himarayn and an-Nahud, this is going at a fast pace. Anyone care to explain why IS can't seem to respond to this Blitzkrieg?

Superior combat tactics combined with airstrikes.

anfenglish.com/women/ypj-spokeswoman-we-also-fight-for-a-mental-and-intellectual-liberation

Arab women are joining the YPJ in such numbers that the YPJ are gonna create an Arab equivalent of the YPJ and they're gonna set up an Arab women's academy to educate Arab women in the philosophy and the politics of democratic confederalism and Rojava.

They also aim to double or triple the amount of YPJ members in general.

How cool is this? Everyday the grassroots participation grows and sinks deeper and the multi ethnic component grows wider. Not to mention the ideology is spreading into every aspect of society.

Oh shit really? Seems like they're really stepping up as the replacement to the Syrian Rebels. Maybe they'll eat some of their support as well.
W-what if they w-win?

Lol truce don't mean shit, rebels want Assad gone and that's that.

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Well they've swallowed a lot of the secular rebels groups and inducted them into the SDF. But the Islamist rebels and their supporters view them as traitors.

current situation around raqqa

SDF doing a good job of isolating the city and taking Taqba dam (should be done soon enough)

RIP comrade

Briton Ryan Lock killed fighting Islamic State in Syria - bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38492921

An Italian-Canadian comrade was also killed.

Manbij offensive happened about 5 months ago.

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Promising news is that negotiations between the regime and the PYD on the future of Rojava have already started. A second round of talks will begin soon.

From what I have read, it seems the regime started the talks with a hardline stance of wanting complete control of Northern Syria, but Russia told them to cut that shit out and to start seriously discussing autonomy and self governance, and how that would work out. Which sounds positive!

people vastly overestimate what say Assad has anymore, he's essentially owned by Russia and Iran now.

MAKE GREATER KURDISTAN GREAT AGAIN
youtube.com/watch?v=rpNy6Lh08xc
(kek)

Why's that?

because they agreed not to attack Assad for now and focus on ISIS.

YPG collaborated with rebels at the start of the revolution but as they grew more Islamist and ugly in their ideology, the YPG stopped their collaboration with the rebels and opted for a neutral stance toward the government. Thus the traitor accusations.

twitter.com/TurkeyUntold/status/801821264025362432

absolutely crazy how Turkey is treating the HDP

i really really hate turkey

aawsat.com/home/article/822236/قيادية-كردية-لـ«الشرق-الأوسط»-وضعنا-شروطًا-للدخول-بمفاوضات-مع-النظام

biji :D

super rare ocalan memes, be careful with these

The more I see Arabs and Turkmen in Rojava get involved in the Communalism; the more hope I have for Syria as a whole.

It honestly annoys me how much people think that the SDF and Kurds are one in the same when only a half of the SDF fighting force is actually ethnically Kurdish

Iraqi Kurds are honestly the runt of the litter when it comes to the Kurdish community.

It's a shame too, because most people who only follow events in Iraq and Syria on a superficial level don't see the difference and think the Peshmerga are the ones fighting ISIS in Syria too. It's why I don't like the label "the Kurds" when talking about these things.

even in Iraq, which is supposed to be Peshmerga jurisdiction, it was was the PKK and YPG who stepped in to save the Yezidis from being genocided in Singal because the Peshmerga ran away and left them to die.

Peshmerga is a lot more keen on "non-ideological" fighters and the KRG are the ones policing the Iraq-Syria border so western volunteers can't join up with the YPG. If they're really the "runt of the litter" that should be a good thing when independence comes.

weird how Turkey literally invaded Syria with like 8,000 troops and nobody really seems to care

just been another bombing in turkey. this one likely done by DHKP-C.

Any links for this?

Watch how every victim magically turns into a civilian and the media not metioning the fact that its the anniversary of the killing of a child during the Gezi protests.

Terror attacks as symbols are stupid and never have worked and never will work.

wow I just watched that RT documentary on the YPJ… it was so beautiful :')

So much of the coverage of the YPJ is so hackneyed and lame but that doc was so, so good. no sensationalism or anything like that. would highly rec.

youtube.com/watch?v=uqI0a4VgEs8

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_military_intervention_in_Syria

or just google euphrates shield

Shout-out to our hue comrades

Source of the picture?

twitter.com/Dr_Partizan/status/817149671827193856

I presume how Dr Partizan gets these images off the fighters' facebook pages

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imgur.com/a/DSXkd

Nice album of international volunteers (mostly Turks) in Rojava

So these are Turks using a Spanish republican flag? That's kind of dumb.

Well if they're not all Turks and they're there for ideological reasons then it makes sense to use a flag that represents left-wing struggle.

It doesn't. It reflects the Republic of Spain; a bourgeois liberal state which existed from 1931 to 1939. If you really wanna think of yourself as the second Brigada Internacional, use the red and black or some shit.

From what I understand from Spaniards I know personally; the Spanish republican flag represents left-wing struggle in Spain. Though it is used by both communists and left-leaning liberals.

In this case it is being used by the communist Spanish Hoxhaist party 'Reconstrucción Comunista'.

Syrian War is so crazy. A war where a Spanish Hoxhaist can kill a Chinese Islamist.

Many more fighters from the Iranian PJAK lost their lives in Rojava, they are all over the frontines fighting with their KCK allies.

It's an ambiguous kind of feel

Seeing our internationalist comrades fighting in Rojava makes me very proud to be a leftist tbh.

You fucked this image up, Anton Leschek number 17, and there is no number 20.

I thought it was called democratic cofederation.

It is, but democratic confederalism is in large part a development of communalism so OP's not exactly wrong either.

Awesome pics user

The MLKP symbol is very nice

Indeed, it's a nice reminder that the flame of internationalism lives on

I'm happy and sad. Happy to see leftists fighting ISIS. Sad to see they're authoritarian leftists.
I did spot at least three anarchists though. That's nice.

The Manbij offensive really gave me hopes the kurds could unify the cantons. Shame they got cockblocked by t*rkey and the moderate beheaders.

There's also many ethnic Turks who have died for Rojava. But their identities can't be revealed because their families will be targeted by ultra nationalists mobs if that happens :(

pretty huge Kurdish rally in Paris rn commemorating some Kurdish activists who were assassinated (likely by Turks). plenty of YPG and PKK flags there.

impressed at how well the Kurdish diaspora can mobilise.

Chinese comrade

Love at first sight.

lotta of deaths recently

What a qt

loads of Turks get butthurt over how well liked the Kurds/YPG are all over the world

Most Turks are rabid nationalist retards tbh. Like seriously I never knew those fuckers were so nationalistic.

Turks are the most brainwashed nation on earth, its hilarious to see them struggle with reality when they leave their holes.

youtube.com/watch?v=appF_hCMxmU

This vid is months old, so I'd say it's safe to assume that there's now 1,000+ foreign volunteers in Rojava. Which is breddy decent numbers.

Democratic Confederalism with Chinese characteristics

I've noticed that too, fucking depressing

Good progress being made, big battle for Taqba coming next. Still skeptical as to how serious they are about taking Raqqa, but I'll celebrate anytime there's more yellow on these maps.

What is Rojava's end game?

spreading democratic confederalism across the whole middle east

Fully automated feminist gay space communalism.

Turks also have a much more militant Left by todays standards. The MLKP, DHKP-C, included along with the PKK.


I'm guessing joint assault from west and north with air support. Should be good, but obviously needs to prepare for probable counterattack from influx of fleeing ISIS from Iraq and forces from the south.

Doesn't that mean every state is their enemy and will gang up on them?

Is that really feasible?

Rojava has only succeed because of a series of highly unusual and complex factors (the entire Syrian war) which is very unlikely to occur anywhere else.

Even another war isn't going to feature the same kind of multi-factional, chaotic nonsense that's allowed the PYD to thrive. A similar uprising during, for instance, the Libyan civil war probably would have been crushed almost immediately.

The whole "the entire middle east thing" is of course utopian and unrealistic. But Ocalan viewed the ideology as a solution to the Middle East's problems, not just the Kurds. So I think Rojava will act as the paradigm and if anyone else in the region expresses interest, the necessary people will be sent to help set things up.

Also the HDP party in Turkey which advocates the same ideology got like 6 million votes, which is pretty good I think. All their members have been thrown in jail now though, sadly.

does anyone know if erdogan is still trying to legalise execution

because ocalan might be one of the first to go if it happens

Naaaaaaaah.

He's already essentially a martyr. I think it was Erdogan's lawyer who was saying he should be executed if they can approve capital punishment.

No. Their end game is not that Utopian. It's reuniting both Kurdish cantons and obtaining, if not formal independence, at least full autonomy.

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Dead Kurdish PKK fighters infront of Ataturk Statue with text reading: No one can break this country

A strong message to the YPG i guess :)

How do we stop this shit country?

That's what armies are for.

In all honesty; I hate Turkish nationalists more than I hate neo-nazis in my own country. Every aspect of their fucked up and arrogant world view is disgusting.

So isn't this another pretty good indicator that YPG is doing all of the fucking work in destroying ISIS?

It really seems to me that the mainstream media is being as vague as possible about the conflict. They never say anything about the Kurds anymore, and give the impression that it's the Iraqi government (lol) who are driving back ISIS. There is also no mention of Turkey invading the north of Syria.

No one can dispute that the YPG is doing the most against ISIS in Syria because it's objectively true.

The Grey Wolves are much more heavily armed and dangerous than any huwhite nationalist group which in contrast are mostly toothless LARPers, so yeah they pose a much bigger problem for the left in general.


Turkey is just in general a fairly violent place for a country that is not quite third world.

practice without theory is impotence.

youtube.com/watch?v=AME4o5avic0

that vid is fucking amazing

it's not crazy if you realize that this is essentially a war led by different factions of capital, whether they're the Kurds, Islamists or Ba'athists.

When YPG wipes Daesh off the face of the earth and makes some kind of truce with Assad, there will be fewer refugees fleeing the region. As a result, Europe will (hopefully) stop mollycoddling Erdogan.

Erdogan is doing it for us by destroying their society and economy.

What are you talking about? All of Turkey's problems are caused by outside forces who are all personally jealous of Erdogan!


Gülen did it!

let putin nuke it

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because of the al raqqah offensive.I hope they can use it as a strong bargaining chip in negotiations,if they are able to take it

Anymore news on negotiations?

This post, offers some of the best news in the entire thread. I hope it holds up.

I assume Russia and Iran simply want to cordon off the area to piss off the US and foil the Qatar-Turkey pipeline plans, so they don't care if Assad loses some territory in the north. I'm worried they might still turn on Rojava though, as soon as ISIS is destroyed.

what?

reporting this thread, if any of you soft assed obese guys come here police will arrest you and you'll enjoy exocit middle eastern prison trip.

Nice meme Mehmet

The latest news on negotiations has been the stance put forward by the Rojava representatives:

he's not saying have no theory, he's saying that theory without practice amounts to nothing i.e. leftcommunism.

How is the DFNS a faction of capital? They have their own interests separate from the US, Russia etc. Also, to refer to DFNS as "the Kurds" is a misnomer considering that there's an ever increasing amount of arabs and non-kurds joining the self government.

spotted the turkroach

HOLY SHIT, OUR GUY DIED?

You're thinking of PissPig. Although Micheal Israel was a very fine comrade too.

youtube.com/watch?v=TavAfIBYpGk

PissPig is alive, and part of the Raqqa offensive. You can see his Armored personnel carrier at 0:35 in this video realised earlier today. He's probably inside it.

enjoy your prison rape faggots :^)

So are you a random Holla Forums stormie or an Erdogan fanboy? I'm not really sure which is worse at this point.

Yeah.
I legit thought it was Pisspig.

Is that /ourguy/?

See what I mean about Turkish nationalists. Can't even take a small amount of criticism without making pseudo-macho threats.

feels good man

It's not pseudo-macho, machismo has always been hysterical and super-sensitive.

similar kind of stature but it's very hard to tell

We don't negotiate with terrorists

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It has happened before and it will happen again.

Yeah, I noticed something about Holla Forums types. They really are just as hilariously sensitive as all the tumblr teenagers they whine about. Buncha pavlovian dogs.


You're arguing with the same leftcom dude who keeps whining about YPG et al being phonies. As in, they totally pawns now because they accepted help from the US. They obviously should have turned down said help and just let themselves be surrounded by Daesh and wiped the fuck out, right? That's the leftcom-approved method of progress.


You don't scare anyone here, Erdogan fanboy. You're just another sad, brainwashed individual. Go worship your cult leader and try not to get purged in the process.

this is why turkey is the most hated country on /int/

So, first Erdogan's regime allows ISIS on its borders for years, smuggling oil. When they finally do move in to "fight terror" it's only to start shelling civilians in areas held by Kurds, even though Syrian Kurds are doing all the heavy lifting in the fight against ISIS.

Is there anything more disgusting than Erdogan right now?

Erdogan's Turkish fanboys on 4/pol/

That's really a thing? I had no idea.

Somebody please nuke 4/pol/ already.

sad thing is Erdogan is adored both inside and outside Turkey despite all these things

Turkroach salt here bois

Got anymore Rojava-related twitter accounts to share, comrade?

I've seen turks on there complain that's he's not nationalistic enough

lads is ypginternational.blackblogs a reasonable place to email to be recruited? If not where do I go? I want to die anyway so I might as well do it in a useful way.

Just listen to Death in June until the urge subsides.

Who's pisspig why is he /our guy/?

Commie volunteer from San Francisco who had a presence on "weird twitter"

Oh ya, I read an article about him. He seemed like a huge hipster, not the type of guy who'd go on imageboards.

Why is he called pisspig?

Yeah that's the official way of doing it

that's his twitter handle


pretty sure you you're supposed to contact them here ypgrojava.org/english at least that's what a comrade said in the previous thread

ypgrojava.org/Contact-Us
>We thank you all for your help, if your email is about how to join us please contact this website for joining ypg-international.org/ or Facebook
facebook.com/YPGInternational/

Thanks for clearing that up comrade

Serçavan, heval.

Yeah, that's the official place to go. If you do go; please keep us updated. Good luck comrade.

Just reading about the days when the PKK trained in PLO training camps in Lebanon and fought on behalf of the PLO in the Lebanese civil war.

Sad that those days of revolutionary solidarity are gone and the Palestinian resistance has stagnated and been infiltrated by Islamists :'(

Ocalan has talked about DemCon being a solution to the Palestinian crisis. I wouldn't be surprised to see collaboration once more.

SDF took a fucking castle of ISIS recently. Awesome stuff.

Yeah thats the official place that is integrated into the YPG.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/donald-trump-presidency-turkey-recep-tayyip-erdogan-us-turkish-relations-barack-obama-inauguration-a7517801.html

King Roach already sucking Trump's balls to get him to ditch the YPG

Qal'at Ja'bar castle used to be a Turkish exclave until 1973 so the Turkish nationalists are probably really pissed about this.

Please read some stoicism before making your decision user. You won't be much use to anyone when you're coming apart at the seams, so you might as well calm your mind first. In fact, by the time you actually get there, ISIS might already be wiped out (dang YPG being too darn good at killing Daesh!) and you'll be needed for reconstruction efforts.

Anyway, read a motherfucking book. Lock yourself up in a library or something and turn off any devices, then read Seneca or Marcus Aurelius. Your pick.

ISIS will be around for another year or two. Should be mostly gone by then.

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I hope Trump's military advisers go against this shit and ignore Turkey.

The Kurds have been consistently loyal and effective. Erdogan has done fucking nothing except bitch and moan.

kurdishquestion.com/article/3771-yazidi-group-calls-for-the-pkk-to-remain-in-sinjar

Really shitty how the PKK are being forced to leave Sinjar out of diplomatic egotism (ahem, Turkey and Iraq) when the local Yazidis want them to stay.

If you don't know, the PKK saved the Yezidis from an ISIS genocide a few years ago. The peshmerga left the Yazidis to die. Iraq left them to die. Now the Yazidis are expected to trusts both the Peshmerga and Iraq with their lives again.

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At least sinjar has it's own YPG now, via the YBS

Stoicism is Cynicism-lite, it's true, but it's better than having a normie mind and can lead to deeper philosophy.

Dumping some nice posters I found

post your own if you have them

They probably will. I've been thinking a lot about this a lot and the major points I've come to is:
All of this combined is enough for the US to tell Turkey to fuck off and possibly get them expelled from NATO if they keep acting like this. It's also enough for Turkey is just invade the DFNS and start another war, possibly with the rest of Syria.

If this is true it explains why the PKK is being stubborn and refusing the leave. who knew the KRG can't be trusted after all.

I wonder what is going to happen with the KRG. Turkey is using them to be the "good Kurd" compared to the PKK "bad Kurd", but I can't see all the Kurdistan nationalists there not doing anything if Turkey tried to invade Rojava.

Good thread bump 612

To the bunkers!

Are there Kurdish versians of these?

I don't think they'd ever get kicked out of NATO

You're doing allah's work gomrade

dailysabah.com/d/politics/2017/01/09/ypg-spreads-marxist-ideology-incites-conflict-in-syria-with-us-help-report-says

wtf I love the YPG now

(Daily Sabah is essentially Erdogan's mouthpiece)

#ISIS repelled the #TAF backed #FSA attacks.
Turkish Special F. are deploying in west of Al Bab

I am enjoying this so much.

I've said this before here and I'll gladly repeat it: There is 0% chance of this happening. Turkeys strategic role in NATO and as an American ally is just too important. If human rights abuses and internal instability was a problem, the US would have cut ties to the Sauds decades ago.
Especially now when US state, parliament and media have been escalating conflict with Russia at every single turn.
Turkey has an interest in bettering their relations with Russia with regards to trade (e.g. energy) and internal affairs (kurds), sure, but there's just no fucking way in hell that they'll get kicked out of NATO. Turkish secession from NATO is WW3 initiation type shit.
The US is going to pick Turkey over the Kurds at every turn they can, like they have historically. The current problem is that doing so would be the same as picking ISIS, which is currently a bigger issue than Turkish relations, which means that their hands are tied.

They really want to plant that mind worm.

Bumping for Apo

twitter.com/Metin4020/status/818923439784333313

this would be brilliant

Practice without theory merely reflects what is already there. Theory without practice isn't even theory.

"Left"-"coms" might as well not exist.


In comparison to Assad and his guys?

While the YPG is definitely doing the most it's a bit ridiculous to count out the work Assad and especially his Shia allies have done in the conflict

idk, sorry comlad

BASED

what do you need a degree for when you're gonna be beheaded by some goat fucking with a butterknife anyway?

Do you want the news articles to refer to you as a beheaded college dropout or graduate?

ISIS gets it's ass kicked quite regularly by SDF

It's not the instability and human rights abuses per se that would matter, it's Turkey's and Erdogan's unreliable, disobedient behavior in general. The Sauds might be tyrannical Islamists, but they know that they better obey the US or they'll become another Iraq. Turkey is acting like they don't have to listen to the US and that if the West is being mean to them then maybe Russia will be nicer and the US will just have to deal with it. They've already accused the US of aiding terrorists, threatened them with taking away a strategic airbase, and refusing to cooperate with the US' only ally in Syria and even directly attacking them.
Historically the Kurds have been irrelevant and Turkey had been a reliable ally. Now the Kurds are a major faction in the Middle East, who are sane, reliable, and aren't doing anything the US doesn't want them to do, whereas Turkey is falling apart, isn't reliable or trustworthy, and is being directly hostile to the West and friendly with the East.

I am sure comrade will do very well.

So I am at a crossroad in my life. I'll be going to uni soon but I am seriosuly considering joining the YPG.
Maybe this is all a "phase" but working 9-5 every day for consumerism scares me. I really don't want the typical wasted life. I'll also be conscripted this summer so I guess that would give me some knowledge if I actually want to do it and it'll get me some experience beforehand. I do believe in democratic confederalism and I recognize Rojava as the most important revolutionary event in the 21st century.
My concerns aren't with death, I've had my bouts with depression, I am more worried over my family.
I know they'd see it as some anti-social/deranged act, even though my mother is an iraqi-kurd and my grandfather was politically active leftist (communist, I think) under ba'ath rule. Am I just another victim of romanticism, too influenced by Homage to Catalonia?
When thinking about the fact that I might not come back I can only recite a poem my Muhammad Ali:
Better far— from all I see—
To die fighting to be free
What more fitting end could be?
Better surely than in some bed
Where in broken health I'm led
Lingering until I'm dead
Better than with prayers and pleas
Or in the clutch of some disease
Wasting slowly by degrees
Better than a heart attack
or some dose of drug I lack
Let me die by being black
Better far that I should go
Standing here against the foe
Is the sweeter death to know
Better than the bloody stain
on some highway where I’m lain
Torn by flying glass and pane
Better calling death to come
than to die another dumb,
muted victim in the slum
Better than of this prison rot
if there’s any choice I’ve got
Kill me here on the spot
Better for my fight to wage
Now while my blood boils with rage
Less it cool with ancient age
Better violent for us to die
Than to Uncle Tom and try
Making peace just to live a lie
Better now that I say my sooth
I’m gonna die demanding Truth
While I’m still akin to youth
Better now than later on
Now that fear of death is gone
Never mind another dawn.

Don't fight for a romantic ideal comrade. You will only be disappointed. Do what you want.

i hope so too

I can't tell you what to do comrade. Just know that it's your life to live and that people more often regret what they didn't do than what they did. Don't let fear decide for you, and don't denigrate your dreams by calling it romanticism or "just a phase".

That's a really cool poem btw, thanks for sharing.

A living heavy meme

Learn some Kurdish while finishing your studies, a huge amount of Kurdish fighters are in dire need of psychological support. Even when the war is over they will need your help. I bet my ass that they will love you there.

The problem with that analysis is that you're disregarding that Erdogan is doing this - acting disobediently - precisely because they have that pull, with regards to the US.
Erdogan is showing Obama/Trump that if they want him to lend strategic use of his country and army to NATO, then they better help him with regards to keeping the country stable. And I just don't see a future where the US won't pick fucking the Turkish and Kurdish people over, just to preserve that.
Except that the DFNS is not a fucking country with strong state control (their army is primarily volunteer, how the fuck does that come in handy for NATO?), doesn't have a huge army with tons of air bases, does not hold any American nukes, does not hold strategic control over the black sea, does not have strong ties with the other regional states, I could keep going honestly. You're delusional if you think that this has any real chance of happening.

I think you're right in the sense that the Turkish instability + Erdogan's complete disregard of American / European interests in the region are what will give DFNS it's shot at autonomy. But thinking that this will lead to the downfall of Turkey as a western ally is taking that line of thought too far I think.

chris-kutschera.com/A/Ocalan Last Interview.htm

Interesting interview from before he went to jail.


I find this part interesting because the Apoist/Bookchinist ideology undoubtedly is changing the nucleus of Kurdish society in the areas it's really taken hold in (Syria and Turkey). And as we're seeing in Syria it's spreading far beyond just Kurds too.

Apo found a way.

That's my plan user. I've already started a bit of work on some Kurdish. I really suck at new languages but a year should be enough haha.

Also as a general update. I shot an email to YPG with some pretty general inquiries. I received a group email back saying that I'll get a response soon. I have heard responses are pretty slow but promising start my dudes!

Thank you. Family comes first though, and I have other dreams like showing my momma the world before it's too late. I'd also feel that I'd be disrespecting her achivement of surviving iraq and the soviet union

user when you get to the YPG training camp it's integral that you represent Holla Forums on the graffiti shitpost wall.

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It'd be fun if we somehow met over there a year from now

dailysabah.com/politics/2017/01/11/us-says-pyd-should-be-included-in-syria-peace-talks

What is the US's endgame in supporting the PYD?

Ain't no game, sucka'.

Although, seriously, I think they just prefer them to ISIS and Assad.

It's probably pressure from the PYD, as in "if you don't champion our cause diplomatically, we'll call a halt to the Raqqa offensive".

That, and also right now municipalism is sadly not quite the international movement it could be.

Holla Forums sure has a hard-on for supporting rebels that terror-bomb Turkish cities.

that's actually the best thing about them, and why we all love em

when you get over there look out for a 6'2" brown haired aussie who does counselling

What do you guys think I should write??

AND IT WAS ALL YELLOW

paint Stirner on the wall

"Read Bookchin"

Looks like Turkey is tired of waiting to attack Manbij
twitter.com/4rj1n/status/819220917956018177

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That might be true but that doesn't mean the US is going to allow them to get away with applying their leverage. The US has to tolerate that now and they probably really don't like it and are trying to figure out how to take that leverage away from Erdogan, possibly through supporting the Kurds.
They don't need a strong state for the US to be able to use them to further their ends. Most western armies are mostly volunteer anyway, the US exclusively; not sure why that is relevant as long as there is an army.
Airbases can be built or captured, and a huge army isn't helping Turkey any.
I don't think that's a problem.
That's true, but if the SDF becomes a major component of a future Syria then that could change.
The US already has Israel, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula under their thumb, Turkey isn't needed for that.

My point is that ultimately Turkey isn't acting like a good puppet and Erdogan has already shown his rebelliousness. Shit, if Turkey had a real coup and the new government was fully compliant with the US then maybe the US would withdraw all support to the Kurds and let Turkey do whatever they want with them, but even then I think the US would keep them around to hedge their bets.
I don't think the US would be the one to initiate that. I think what might happen is Turkey goes too far over too many lines, the US retaliates somehow, possibly with sanctions or giving the SDF real weapons to use against Turkey, and Turkey gets so butthurt they leave NATO and do something with Russia and Iran.

youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=h-wz-DspP60

Trump's Secretary of State says YPG are our "greatest allies" in Syria and promises to double down in support for them.

Erdogan BTFO.

N O I C E

in a way I do want to see SDF and the Turkroaches fight because I know the SDF will make the Turks bleed heavily

At the start of the Euphrates Shield when they engaged with each other Jaysh al Thuwar and Afrin YPG put up a heroic defense and continually repelled Turkish attacks despite being vastly under equipped.

or is this a Holla Forums stealth post?

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President's Erdoğan's spokesperson replies to CENTCOM's tweet which shared SDF's General Commands statement claiming to have no affiliation to the PKK: 'Have you lost your senses? The United States must stop trying to legitimise terror organisations.'

youtube.com/watch?v=bB42pxokF3Q

youtube.com/watch?v=8HHBJZZpfwE

"The US must drop support for the YPG so Erdogan's relatives can smuggle more ISIS oil while supplies last."

Ocalan being in prison is perfect. Prevents the personality cult from getting out of hand.

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The SDF need more time.

Right now, the mainstream media seem set on ignoring the fight against ISIS as much as they can. They don't want to admit to the US fuck ups in Syria, they don't want to talk about commie Kurds and they definitely don't want to talk about Assad fighting ISIS.

When ISIS is finally crushed by the SDF, the media will be forced to pay attention and might even shut the fuck up about Trump for once. SDF will get the glory of victory (Assad still being ignored) and then Turkey will look like huge cunts for shelling SDF (which will hopefully no longer be ignored).

>Filthy communist state, worshiping their eternal leader Apo.


>Better than Turkey, Syria, iraq and Iran.

Onur plz keep your autism to yourself

Gülen did it.

tfw buthurt Turks even come to leftypol

I think it's already out of hand, but in a pretty harmless way.

Ocalan's face adorns flags and walls all over Rojava but his role is symbolic and not practical. He's like a Kurdish Jesus. He is going to die in jail and he's essentially been put into solitary confinement by Turkey.

kinda sad that both ocalan and bookchin never got to see their ideas take hold and kick start a revolution though :'(

I guess Ocalan has at least heard little reports about it.

what's the deal with the Armenian Kurds and the Kurds in Khorasan?

youtube.com/watch?v=RbIB-e3yOg8

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Kurdish Yazidi refugees that fled to Armeniaare now claiming land in Armenia after becomming the majority in some towns and villages in Armenia.

careful dont cut yourself

what is actually wrong with you Turks?

Is something bothering you buddy ?

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Just wondering why a second rate country becoming a tinpot dictatorship is full of fascist fucks.

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Cus of the K*rds. If we just genocide them then the region would be finaly peacefull.

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ah, of course.

it was the Kurds who toppled Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi!

it was the Kurds who created Saudi Arabia and Wahhabism!

it was the Kurds who created the Israel-Palestine conflict!

it was the Kurds who drew up the borders at Sykes-Picot!

it was the Kurds who repressed citizens across the whole region for decades!

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how is it that no matter what board turks are always the worst posters jesus fucking christ

there's one Turkish Stalinist on 4/pol/ who is pretty funny

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Get fucked, fascist.


This is brilliant. YPG will get the glory of victory over ISIS. Meanwhile, Erdogan will look like a stupid cunt for protesting US support while shelling Kurdish towns.

Yea, that's what I meant. As long as he's in jail, being Kurdish Jesus is fine. If he was actually free and present to seize the power and prestige they've given him, things might turn to shit.

The Iraqi Army are finally starting to go deep into Mosul and ISIS defenses are starting to crumble. SDF should analyse how the Mosul offensive went, and learn from its faults and positives before they take Raqqa. Raqqa won't be as bad as Mosul because it's a lot smaller but it will still be a meat grinder.

Apparently at the start of the Mosul offensive ISIS launched 50 car bombs per day at the Iraqi Army. Jesus christ.

thank you based SDF

When is the dam offensive starting?

youtube.com/watch?v=6slysZyL6sA

It's within touching distance, but I gather the offensive will be quite complicated because of Taqba's position. Maybe in the next month or so it'll begin.

libcom.org/library/anarchist-critique-pkk

I read this "critique of the PKK". Beware it's shit.
The author's bias is shown where he straight up calls western supporters of the PKK "cheerleaders" from the get-go. Not to mention, he does not cite a single source for his claims. Most of it is just masturbation, i.e it's critique for the sake of being critique.
Then he argues the following:

1.The movement isn't actually socialist, or leftist, for that matter. I do take issue with this. Altough the means of production, and other classical leftist concerns, aren't prioritized doesn't mean that the movement isn't actually leftist.

2.Women have been revered too much, this feminist progressivism is causing some kind of "societal pressure" on women.
I don't understand how there's too much gender equality in a region where extremism is the norm.

3. The organization is terrorist because it had a bad history at it's height of the conflict between the PKK and the turkish state. When faced with the fact that the organization has changed on every level since the 80's, he states
Again, a clear bias.

4. He argues that the "exceptional circumstances", which I indeed consider exceptional, should not forbid criticism. This I agree with, but the argument as a whole is directed against western supporters, "cheerleaders", and not against the PKK itself.

5. Then he states that the PKK recieves arms and aid from the U.S, even though the U.S have marked the PKK as a terrorist organization because of Turkey. He doesn't make any distinction between syrian kurds and turkish kurds on any administrative level. He calls Rojava a PKK front.
Not only this, but his main argument is "muh ideological purity". He rails on the SDF for accepting U.S aid, not understanding the regional politics of it. He also dismisses the argument that the SDF needs the american support to defeat ISIS and to survive. He states:
and
Straight up insults.

6&7 is just railing on the history of the PKK. He calls Öcalan a cult of personality, even though there will always be some intellectual paragon in any ideological movement. He also calls Öcalan a stalinist tankie, yet cites no sources.

8. His last argument is accusing the SDF of genocide, based on the amnesty report that >>1189875 discussed.

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So fucking hyped tho

Therein the author displays the problem with all these big editorials from leftist publications on whether 'we' should support Rojava or not. Often the author reads a few articles and watches a few YouTube videos and decides to bend Rojava into whatever they want based on that superficial knowledge.

When the ideology of the PKK was changed there was mass resignations and much conflict within the party. Many within the PKK who saw the Kurdish struggle as defined by a necessity for a Kurdish state couldn't reconcile their views with this new almost post nationalist, universal ideology. The whole structure and nucleus of the party was changed and many higher ups felt undermined and also resigned. It was a very difficult and arduous process.

I think in the PKK there might still exist some authoritarian tendencies, so the transformation isn't even fully complete. A PKK fighter on reddit was saying some of the older members are still MLs, but their rigid adherence to the past renders them irrelevant in the party.

The YPG is a much purer and distilled version of the new ideology because it's newer. The YPG didn't have the transitional hiccups and lingering essence of Marxist Leninisnm because democratic confederalism is all the YPG's ever known. They've only been around since 2011.

Thank you for this post.
What are your sources, books or are you kurdish yourself who rembered when it happened? Is that a too personal question? sry im high

This is a really good book that goes into further details on what I touched on. Roar Magazine articles and interviews on Rojava are also exemplary and are often done by people directly involved with the project.

The PKK/YPG guy on reddit I mentioned is this guy: reddit.com/user/pkk1978

He did a great AMA here: reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3dtszo/ama_was_in_kobane/

Thank you

Seconding this book. It's the current go-to text for an in-depth study of Rojava, right now. Janet Biehl is also Bookchin's widow and collaborator for decades.

shit it's just like Fallout New Vegas

I wonder if Ocalan can speak English. He tried to arrange a meeting with Bookchin but it didn't happen for whatever reason, I think Bookchin was in poor health.

Its ok, a bit to heavy on the propaganda.

You guys would probably appreciate this
youtube.com/watch?v=eBfK3ye_SBc

documentcloud.org/public/search/projectid: 23929-ocalan-bookchin-correspondence

really cool find here.

with Dan Chodorkoff, some thirty years ago in Vermont, the school has since become
highly diversified and does not consistently reflect my views. Part of its staff has drifted
toward anarchistic views that I regard as juvenile and uniformed, with which I have no
sympathy. I say this to ask you to write directly to me at Janet’s e-mail address, where I
can at least enjoy a private correspondence free of interference from these “libertarian”
children.

Man he was pretty vile against his opponents, makes him more entertaining to read though.

incredible
this is hysterical now

lmfao

This is such a shitshow I almost feel like they're not actually trying to capture Al Bab, just preventing the SDF from capturing it so they won't be closed off to that ISIS oil. Either that or Erdogan's purged really, really fucked up the military.

washingtonhatti.com/2017/01/14/turkish-fm-cavusoglu-us-should-invite-the-terrorist-group-daesh-too-if-pyd-invited/

It's this, and also low morale.

Nah they just dont dare to commit, just look how they covered up the fact that two of their soldiers got burned alive by ISIS. They fear the blowback actually commiting the necessary forces woud have. So the try to rely on their rebel mercenaries, which are probably some of the worst fighters in all of Syria.

And I thought I might have become the first beachnigger there.

Seems there's a few for sure. Would love to see statistics for the different nationalities represented amongst the volunteers.

I think I met these guys once.
I'm not sure though

You cant judge the numbers by their english social media activity, in general the more political ones are the less public ones I think. There are many Americans but I also have read reports that there are a lot of Germans and Italians there too which are less active on social media(and more political).

My understanding is that the largest groups of foreigners are Kurds from other countries (mostly Turkey I suppose) and anarchists and communists from Western Europe, especially Italy, France, and Germany, where those ideologies have historically been strongest.

Uh, nice datapoint.

I'd guess the numbers, starting from 'most' would be something along these lines:

1. Diaspora Kurds
2. Turks (as in ethnic, leftist Turks)
3. Germans
4. Americans
5. French/Italians/Greeks

I know this isn't really a discussion that matters or is even worth having for that matter so please don't respond to this but fuck me because I'm just too autistic to not point this out:
It doesn't really make any sense having the Kurdish diaspora as a separate category, since a very significant portion of the Kurdish diaspora lives in Germany e.g., which means that you count them twice. Unless you mean something like """"ethnically German""" which just doesn't make that much sense in Europe.
It would be sort-of like saying "ethnically Californian". There's at most a vague category of like Mediterranean latin vs. anglo/celtic vs. germanic vs. scandinavian vs. slavic, but it's still pretty arbitrary since there's are some, like, really fucking well defined but also really small ethnic groups like the Magyar (that don't fit into any of those categories) and the Irish, but if the Irish are ethnically separated from Anglos, then maybe the Polish should be separate from more continental Slavs, that have some separate cultural history. But who's Polish and who's Slavic? What about the Franco, who speak a latin language, but culturally has a lot in common with both the Anglo and the Germanic? What about the Roma?
It's a fucking nightmare that all boils down to drawing weird lines, that's mostly based on some specific cultural elements like what version of a folk tale you tell or some other stupid bullshit like that.
There's a reason why almost everybody just looks at nationality and national borders; it's easy and it makes sense, but it just fails completely when you have to compare to places where ethnicity is a lot more well defined, and using nations and nationality makes a lot less sense, like for example with the Kurds, or most of Africa.

anthrobolojy audism bls

basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/324388

positive developments!

And that's why ethnicity is a spook.

Nobody cares because the Turks have been fucking up. They've been 'on the brink' of taking the same shitey town for months and months now. Since last September I think.

I love how the turkroaches actually thought Trump's anti-Islamic cabinet would prop up king roach and his islamist allies.

If the resident Turkish shitposter is reading this: How fierce is your impotent rage right now?

trump has business interests in turkey
also americans are notorious backstabbers, especially towards kurds, so i wouldn't be be so certain of us foreign policy just yet

November. ISIS made a nice infographic about the whole thing. Keep in mind this is just for the *outskirts* of the city. Turkish forces have not been able to get into the actual city at all. That's where the real fighting will be.

No!
Our army is the strognset!
W-we just don't want to h-hurt civilians… y-yeah, that's it…

t. Berkay Mouglouboglou

I've actually seen some Turks saying this.

twitter.com/worldonalert/status/815938764803555328

but look at this. Turkey is going full on Grozny on Al Bab and killing loads of civilians in the process whilst ISIS hide in tunnels.

Preaching to the choir. KC /int/ is a fucking goldmine of butthurt Turks trying hard to not seem butthurt over their doner republic lurching towards civil war.

Its mental. They all hate Erdogan, but will support him so long as he bleeds the Kurds.

Ah yes, the old "I hate Erdogan, but…" routine. They only hate Erdogan for his Islamist tendecies, but they love it when he indulges in nationalist and neo Ottomanist politics.

All Erdogan has to to maintain power is to say "Islam stronk" to the rural conservatives and say "Turkey stronk, we will crush PKK" every now and then to seculars and he's all good.

I don't know, I think this has a relatively high probability of being a positive development for the DFNS, but I think we should always be wary and keep our eyes open when it's the party politicians making the deals and offering the concessions. What if the people aren't willing to make those concessions? How would the parliament force those concessions unto them?

Jesus fucking Christ, that can't be right. It's a tiny-ass city, that amount of pounding would have reduced everything to rubble.


Oh.

Reminder that Öcalan sold out Marxism and you niggas are shilling for a US-backed pseudo-nationalist movement with leftist iconography thrown in here and there

No.

You finally figured out that nobody falls for it when you call them nationalists, so now you've switched to 'pseudo'-nationalist?
What does that even mean?

I'm not sure if it's my duty to educate you on things that elementary.
Interesting knee-jerk response. And let me guess you, at no point, bothered to question why you hear it so much to not hurt your fanboy feelings.

Not really. US is using Kurds to take part of the land from Assad. Kurds might be commies but Russia/Iran is a bigger worry for US now.

Actually the West was going to give Kurds a country as a part of Turkey one century ago but a wild pro-West Attaturk appeared so they keeped Turkey as a one country to use it to counter the Bolsheviks…

So? Democratic confederalism looks pretty socialist to me. Perhaps not ML, but socialist nevertheless.

It's in the US geopolitical interests. I don't see how that invalidates the revolution. Even Russia is backing them.

What are you? A Trotskyist? Having a national identity, recognizing it and wanting to preserve it is not irreconcilable with socialism.

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Also, I did actually look into it when the SDF was accused of mistreating Arabs and other non-kurdish ethnicities. Do you know what I found out? It was mostly bullshit made up by Turkish nationalists and Ba'athists.

Google Murray Bookchin faggots

it's like poetry

Interesting times!

source?

twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/820987920920281089

twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/820950214001336320

medium.com/@_alhamra/deir-ezzor-rebel-military-council-allies-with-ypg-and-syrian-elite-forces-for-raqqa-campaign-58a66f828f59#.qy03r0de1

Syria has another 2 or 3 years of fighting left easily. Lots to be done still.

isn't it the SAA that's attacking?

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/820733451028537344

PISSPIG SIGHTING AT 0:14

kek, the absolute madman

Why would the SAA attack when they are the ones who are under siege in Deir Ezzor?

Godspeed large son

Raising Kobani from rubble
realmedia.press/raising-kobani-rubble/

Are you sure that this is PISSPIG? Anyway, whoever that is has gathered some propper equipment.

This post came out weird. My point was: if pisspig survives and makes it back to the US he has to go on Chapo.

Is this just what happens every time you purge the military?

ISIS just released a pretty spooky video of their sleepers cells walking around Istanbul, warning that they'll attack again soon.

streamable.com/mh0hv

Turkey is in a very bad position with ISIS. Because of letting them abuse their border they're no doubt infested with sleeper cells. Now that Turkey is attacking ISIS positions, all these sleeper cells will start to be activated.

All this destruction just to spite the YPG.

Are you able to describe in little better detail what the hell I just watched?

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5odnj0/comment/dcim379

Read this translation and summary

Fuck that's scary.
I have a friend that's staying in Istanbul for 8 hours in two days.
I feel like I should warn him.

Yeah I'd do that.

What kind of madman goes to Turkey at a time like this though? Their tourism is dead for a reason

A kurd whose family is being drafted for the Al-Bab offensive

Oh fuck. Forced to fight essentially against your own people's interests.

I didn't know Turkey was sending conscripts to Al Bab. That will only deepen their problems there, conscripts will get shredded if the special forces are even struggling

Fucking hell Turkey is disgusting

Yeah.
The thing is that they're Syrian nationals who are refugees in Syria. As far as I understand, they were told that they could join the Jabhat Al-Sham group and fight at Al-Bab in exchange for Turkish citizenship or be ejected from the country.
It sounds really shady, and of course they've got nothing on paper, but I believe my friend and honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me.

No joke, honestly, you should get that shit to a journalist. Preferably somebody who speaks Turkish and who writes for some large or semi-large independent news outlet, like the Intercept or something.

There's been rumours about recruitment of Syrian refugees for Euphrates Shield but I'm inclined to believe it now. Disgusting.

A PYD official was saying they warned Rojava's citizens from fleeing as refugees to Turkey because they knew they'd start a recruitment effort.

Surely this is a breach of human rights.

Problem is that Turkey doesn't have any obligations towards human rights entities. Only that flimsy UN one, whose name escapes me at the moment, and whatever they have written into their constitution. So it doesn't matter, outside of any trade sanctions that other nations might impose. The EU has threatened with sanctions &c., but Turkey just threatens with opening the gates for refugees to flee into Europe again, which ties their hands politically.
It's either watch as Turkey makes graver and graver human rights abuses, or let reactionaries into political power over the EU, which honestly is a shitty fucking choice to have, even as a liberal shithead EU politician.

Yeah.
The point is to get them up here.
Let's see if it works.
Perhaps they will talk.

Fuck man, I hope all goes well. Good luck to your friend and his family.
Where is he taking them? US? Germany?

Wait, on second thought, don't answer.

very good news as a lot of people were making out that everyone in and around raqqa loves ISIS and will be hostile to the SDF

Updates from the frontline, courtesy of pisspiggranddad

Apo just talked to his brother in Imrali a few days ago, and he said if the people will not defend Rojava or Bakur councils from attacks, they deserve to be BTFOd.
Being this based is beyon belief.
Also, here is a video for hevallos about communalism in Rojava: vimeo.com/182379157

I thought the Turkish authorities put an end to his meetings with his lawyers and his brother

they did for a while but it wasn't worth the international pressure.

New thread when?

Mods decided to make this thread cyclical instead of having new threads spam the board

I really want to go out there are write a comprehensive book on the YPG from an independent socialist perspective. I have no idea how I'd even get there but fuck that would be a dream come true.

Oh sweet, that explains why the other thread was removed.

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/world/middleeast/obama-isis-syria-kurds.html?_r=0&referer=

Potentially a big few days for the YPG/SDF.

Obama has been in slight madman mode recently with the whole Israel and Chelsea Manning things so hopefully he pushes ahead with giving the YPG heavy weaponry.

Turkish butthurt would make it doubly nice to see.

Come on over Holla Forums

C O M F Y
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chathamhouse.org/sites/files/chathamhouse/publications/research/2016-12-08-governing-rojava-khalaf.pdf

northeast, the Democratic Union Party (PYD) has announced its intent to establish the federal
region of Rojava. The PYD took control of the region following the Syrian regime’s handover in
some Kurdish-majority areas and as a consequence of its retreat from others. In doing so, the
PYD has displayed pragmatism and strategic clarity, and has benefited from the experience and
institutional development of its affiliate organization, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). The
PYD now seeks to further consolidate its power and to legitimize itself through the provision of
security, services and public diplomacy; yet its local legitimacy remains contested.

Units (YPG/YPJ) have been an effective force against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS),
winning the support of the local population, particularly those closest to the front lines.
Conversely, in areas further from combat zones, the PYD has less support, with locals citing its
brutality and authoritarianism. While many in Arab-majority areas appreciate the YPG’s expulsion
of ISIS, the PYD is seen with fear and distrust as a result of its human rights violations against rebel
groups and its perceived linkages with the regime. The PYD continues to suppress critical civil
society voices and political opposition.

consolidating its power. Service provision varies across Rojava: in areas where the PYD co-exists
with regime authorities, a myriad of institutions have developed, sometimes creating parallel
structures. Meanwhile, in areas where the PYD enjoys greater control, power remains centralized,
despite the PYD’s claims to decentralize power to the local level. In Arab-majority areas such as
Manbij, locals report that the PYD ensures that only representatives that are loyal to it are able
to govern, undermining the legitimacy of the new structures in the eyes of the local community.

sophisticated programme of public diplomacy. The PYD appeals to international audiences
by presenting its fight against ISIS as a battle between universal liberal values and extremism.
However, for many Kurds, it is the undertones of Kurdish nationalism that entices them. Balancing
the apparent contradictions in its discourse is likely to become more difficult in the event that ISIS
is defeated on the battlefield.

However, Turkey’s continuing opposition means that prospects for the PYD to build international
support for its political goals are slim. This places greater import upon locally-derived legitimacy,
an area where the PYD continues to fall short. Only by ensuring real representation of civil society,
opposition and Arab and Syriac constituents can Rojava achieve this legitimacy. Failure to move
past security and stability-based arguments will greatly diminish the long-term prospects for the
survival of the Rojava project.

Homage to Rojava?

Nice, that should shut the "m-muh Kurds are ethnic cleansing" types up


How do we solve the Turkroach problem?

I guess that's as close to it as it'd get. I have no idea how to even start but it's better than anything I am currently doing.

Good luck

If you are serious doing a 6 month stint with the YPG and then after having learned the laguage well and experiencing the military side changing to civilian areas would probably be the most reasonable approach.

Being able/learning to write decently is probably also necessary along with honing some civilian skill that can be useful in Rojava(they lack almost everything so anything will do)

Internet is so shitty there, some other fighter there said that he has hours of raw footage from a captured ISIS headcam, but he cant upload it because the file is to big.

An ENKS official (Kurdish nationalist party/Turkey vassal) recently claimed that PYD/YPG are ethnically cleansing Kurds from Rojava too.

So really you gotta hand it to the YPG, they ethnically cleansed everyone equally.

I see your KRG pepe and raise you a Rojava Saleh Muslim pepe (ultra rare)

And yet ISIS are putting out feature length 1080p films with high class editing and cinematography.

If the YPG had propaganda on the same level of ISIS there'd be twice as much foreign volunteers as there currently is.

I have a friend's whose co-worker shows her ISIS videos all the time, but I'll bet neither have heard of Rojava etc

it's simple: remove kebab

Very nice

Medium Rare YPepeG for sale

a ex YPG volunteer on Holla Forums was saying the ideological 'training' was much more thorough and rigorous than the combat training and that they had to read a load of leftist authors (other people mention names like Emma Goldman and Chomsky being on the course)

He also said that the ideology is extremely important to the average YPG fighter and that it gives them extra motivation and makes em better soldiers.

youtu.be/dhnLqAUdYKk

After watching this I'd like to know Zizek's opinion on Rojava. He's talked about the Kurds before but only in a general sense. Vice should jet him over there for a week and following him around with a camera.

He says in this vid that direct democracy will never last beyond 2 or 3 months but Rojava's been going strong for about 5 or 6 years at this stage.

I wonder why ISIS propaganda is so good and well made. Who the fuck is making it? Why doesn't the SDF have a similar quality of propaganda? How can they obtain a similar level? Do they even care?

It's probably partly funded by rich saudis with the footage transferred out via sneakernet..

Serious question - not trolling.

Why is it imperialism when the US gives rebels arms, but it's not when YPG gets them? Like regardless of who you support, I thought being on the Left meant being against interventionism on principle?

I don't understand, who are you criticizing?
SDF? Us? The USA?

We're against it but not when it helps us. Welcome to politics!

Also, not all intervention is imperialistic.

It's still likely imperialism and the US is trying to make the SDF a puppet, but good things can still be done with an evil motive, and right now the things being done are good.

It's imperialism but it doesn't make the SDF wrong for accepting aid, I certainly would if I were in their situation.

I think YPG commander Cuban Kendal sums up the situation well

Intervention against the oppressor is not the same as intervention against the oppressed.

Avant-garde forces of the alternative have a pretty poor track record thus far…

t. george w bush

was funny see all the le moderate rebel shills like Charles Lister freak out the other day when some Huffington Post article said Arab SDF fighters get lessons in the Apoist ideology before they fight.

Just you wait. DFSNS will be the exception because they don't give a fuck about socialism.

And Fidel Castro.

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/19-january-erdogan-just-said-that-after-the-capture-of-albabwe

When is that buffoon getting couped? He's long been doing overtime on this Earth.

Wow it's really surprising that Erdogan has opted for peace :')

Honestly, if Turkey ever needs International Brigades to deal with Erdogan I'd go in a heartbeat

He's in the middle of changing the Turkish constitution so he can have full power and rule until his death, essentially.

Also a HDP female MP literally got beaten up members of Erdogan's party in parliament a few hours ago and had be taken to hospital.

Turkey, one helluva place.

links?

reuters.com/article/idUSKBN153238

Besides translators, what does Rojava need right now?

no I mean about the HDP MP

twitter.com/turkeyuntold/status/822168095481561089

Just about everything, really.

cooperativeeconomy.info/21-cooperatives-form-in-heseke-including-three-especially-for-women/

21 agricultural new coops started in Hasakeh, 65,000 acres of land to be distributed to them. Good stuff.

Could you be more specific?

How do I know if I would be useful?

rojavaplan.com/join-1-what-can-you-do.html

Read this and see if you fall under any of the jobs they need

Medical experts of every kind, any scientests or experts dealing with; agriculture, petrochemistry, oil production, ecology, simple machinery. Artist(yes they specifically asked for that), people that can be useful in rebuilding efforts,city development experts, there are even people helping out in kindergardens, IT people, english teachers ect. They are really lacking everything. The less specialised you are the more you need to be able to speak Kurmanci or Arab.

The official group to speak to when it comes to going to Rojava is the YPGinternational;
ypginternational.blackblogs.org/

and contact them through an encrypted email. Best of luck user.

bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/5a7b18b5-0ec3-3d3e-a307-54820a7c6a59

How rad would an Adam Curtis documentary about Rojava be? Cool to see he's semi endorsed the project

Turkey is now saying they will invade Afrin as well as Manbij.

Afrin has seen the least fighting of all the YPG cantons but are apparently the most fanatical. Afrin is also full of hills and mountains and the Kurds fucking love their mountains and know how to use them. When Euphrates Shield rebels clashed with Afrin YPG, they got absolutely BTFO despite huge Turkish support from air strikes to artillery to shelling.

I think Afrin would be a bloodbath for Turkey tbh, much moreso than Manbij which itself would put up fierce resistance too.

We talking the average soldier is a redguard fanatical?

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/595tr5/problem_with_how_people_talk_about_sdf_and_ypg/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d30f777d

Good read on Efrin here.

Turkish proxies forces have just been repelled for the 10 (tenth) time trying to get into Al Bab for those trying to keep count.

kek

5 Turkish soldiers killed, 9 severely injured

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PPG is online and is alive folks

No change from any of the previous "socialist" movements then.

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He has seen some shit

He just posted a RIP message to one of his comrades from his unit who was killed recently so probably :'(

Rumours of Turkey pulling out of Al Bab and leaving it to SAA because the operation has gone to shit and is too costly.

Hilarious if true.

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Try not to show your suicidal tendencies too much or they'll pull you back to the rearguard where you won't have a chance of dying.

pisspig is online and it's hilarious
twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/822541924749942787

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How many layers of irony is he on?

You have a large degree of choice as to what kind of position you'll take up in the YPG so he could charge head first into Raqqa if he wanted to really

Just below the peak layer of irony, which would be becoming an emir in ISIS

I wouldn't be surprised if they went after Manbij right after.
Fucking retards.

do you guys think TAK and PKK are the same thing? I don't care either way in terms of the violence, i think the PKK are heroes but I tend think TAK are the urban wing of the PKK but it's all very murky.

No, I think that they are separate entities politically as the TAK strongly claim to be completely separate from the PKK and disagree with them on certain issues etc.
Additionally Cemil Bayık (acting leader of the PKK) talks about the TAK as a separate organisation which he has no control over.
I think the YDG-H (the PKK youth organisation) acts as a loose urban wing for the PKK, mostly made up of young Kurdish folks who are stuck in city life and can't join the guerillas in the mountains.
This physical separation between the PKK command and the YDG-H often means that they act largely autonomously, which does lead me to believe that the YDG-H and the TAK possibly have connections. But as you said; it's murky so who the fuck knows.

The Turks just sold out the FSA. Can they get any more pathetic?
twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/822402207224098816

I think they are a seperate organisation that has many contacts in the PKK and recruits out of PKK members, but is not under the controll of the PKK leadership which only tollerates them.

What a nice guy

honestly Erdogan must be the most hated leader in the world atm

even Trump isn't this despicable

The people behind the 'Raqqa is being slaughtered silently' campaign have a weird hatred of then YPG and seemingly don't want Raqqa to be liberated. I recall their account saying the YPG are as bad as ISIS lmao.

This is your brain on rebel delusion

First time hearing of this autism

They call the YPG "yellow ISIS", they are completely deluded islamists that are still the darlings of the media

Which media? Again, this is the first time hearing of this autism.
inb4 turkish media

They've done stuff with Vice, Sky News, CNN etc

They've essentially been handed the mantle of the official authority on ISIS in Raqqa and they use it to shill for FSA and to spew hatred at YPG/SDF.

The proof is in the pudding though and any time SDF liberate a village around Raqqa they get more and more volunteers who want to show how grateful they are

mind sharing some some links gomrade? Yeah they got 2500 more volunteers recently

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Wow people take this shit seriously?

literally anytime I've heard or read "our Kurdish brothers" it's always been the preface to some bigoted or racist shit about Kurds lol

Islamists and Turks always use it, it's their version of "I have black friends"

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why did Apoism never catch on in Iraq when it's extremely popular in all the other Kurdish regions (Iran, Syria, Turkey)?

Because Barzani is a defacto dictator and has been quite successful at cultivating a cult of personality around himself. He routinely tortures and assassinates opposing activists as well.

twitter.com/strugleofkurds/status/792109885517430784

:3

Also, Iraqi Kurdistan had far more autonomy than any if the other regions did until Rojava, so it doesn't surprise me that people there didn't feel the need to pick up Apoism.

Astana peace talks beginning tomorrow. PYD/SDF not invited. ENKS (Turkish proxy party which holds absolutely no support or power in Rojava) has been invited instead of PYD.

It's absolutely retarded. Turkey can keep putting it off but PYD control about 30% of Syria and they will have to be talked to eventually. Turkey is going full maybe if I ignore it it will go away.jpg

I was just wondering actually, is the YPG politically subservient to the PYD? I had the impression that they were separate entities.

YPG is accountable to TEV DEM, which PYD are part of.

Kek, Assad fucking hates Erdogan and Turkey.

I guess it shows that there's still differences in policy between Damascus and Moscow.

ISIS broke the encirclement of Qabasin near al-Bab again. Turkey btfo again

Another volunteer anounced dead, he was an American from LA.

Tweet with a small video about him:
twitter.com/StrugleOfKurds/status/823155477148209152

( ;~;)7

It's pretty incredible at this point.

Not only have they not entered Al Bab, they haven't even entered Qabasin and Bza'a, which are necessary for besieging and taking Al Bab.

When the Euphrates Shield operation started I was scared for Rojava but now I think it's hilarious.

biji

axaxaxaxax ğüd 1 Mühămmëd!

TÜrKYE ğrëjtęst jn EÂRTH!!!

Cute!

twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/823264373246402562

SDF is attacking Tabqa atm according to this fairly reliable source.

Fucking hell already? SDF are unreal. If they take Taqba before Turkey takes Al Bab…man.

goddamit it's beautiful

They did one during the Manbij offensive too

Apparently US special forces are helping. It's not a full skill invasion, but a mission to target leaders and key infrastructure before retreating.

Fucking SRO getting everyone hyped up. Idiot.

This certainly seems like the preface to an offensive though. As
SRO said they did this before Manbij, go in, kill ISIS chain of command and hit them later as they're reeling and disorganised

By this rate; it's doubtful that the Turkish Army would even be able to take Al Bab by the end of this century.

Taqba situation seems to be in flux. Report that it wasn't just an assassination operation, reports that they captured 1/3rd of the dam… we'll see how it looks tomorrow when the fog of war clears

Bump for Bookchin.
youtube.com/watch?v=V0Z2KGudYrA

While I don't really support Assad much there are moments when he's completely based

lmao

Turkish delusion is next level

The possibility of having NATO imploding would be almost worth it.

Okay so SDF are attacking clashing with ISIS over Taqba dam as we speak. Report saying this was a small spec ops mission are wrong, SDF are going for the dam.

I'm the one who has been repeating that Turkey won't leave NATO, but if they're actually stupid enough to do this, NATO won't implode, Turkey will just seize to be the way it is currently.
NATO is build up around the US, and in an internal crisis US pulls the most weight. Turkey don't have the balls to risk all out Russia contra NATO conflict because of some local insurgency.
This could lead to either CIA chopping mouseface, or completely puppetizing Turkey or NATO demanding Kurdish autonomy, but that's not very likely.
My conservative guess, in the case of Turkey actually clashing with NATO forces in Syria, is that the US will demand concessions from Turkey post-conflict, either in the form of internal reorganization (Decreasing power of Erdogan over internal affairs), or economically tying themselves closer to the EU/US.

Turkish officials always make the most retarded statements for their internal audience to promote the Turkey stronk narrative, id ignore it

Just a few weeks ago Erdogan was saying the goal of the Euphrates Shield op was to overthrow Assad. Russia then gave him a nudge in the ribs and he said "j-just a misquote haha".

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well.

Huge if true

SDF could have Russian and American assistance for Raqqa

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NATO is denying any cooperation with Russia. It's unclear why Russia would say this was the case, but people are speculating that it was a technicality and that the combat mission was in cooperation with Turkey.

Not especially Rojava related but has anyone been keeping an eye on the brewing rebel conflict in Idlib? There is literally a civil war within a civil war now.

If from the start the rebels had the structural unit that SDF has, thing she could've gone so much better for them.

Just read that since July 2015 (when hostilities between PKK and Turkish government kicked off again) 1,063 PKK militants have been killed, but at the same time PKK and its affiliates have killed 885 Turkish state forces.

Pretty great ratio tbh, you wouldn't see those kind of numbers often out of guerilla wars.

I really, really want this to happen.

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*Details please my dude

middleeasteye.net/news/rebel-fighting-idlib-increases-tensions-over-peace-talks-2113068507

Essentially, there's a ton of rebel groups in Idlib. There's two main ones, Ahrar Al Sham and Jahbat Fatah al Sham (Al Qaeda). Turkey and Saudi funded groups are under Ahrar's wing whereas more hardline Islamist types prefer JFS. The US has been airstriking JFS positions and killing it leaders for a while now so JFS got paranoid and accused the Ahrar side of giving the US their information.

This and some other stuff transpired into clashes between JFS and Ahrar affiliates. Ahrar themselves are jihadists and the more hardline part of their organisation will probably detect to JFS if Ahrar openly. So at the moment JFS are attacking JFS proxies and affiliates but the battle lines are been drawn. Soon they'll be open conflict between the two.

If Ahrar win: Turkey and Gulf countries start flooding Idlib with weapons, content that Al Qaeda "extremism" has been eradicated.

If JFS win: they take the fight to Assad far more directly and viciously as a streamlined extremist force.

Thank you, I appreciate it

Assad you bitch you're never getting Rojava back under centralised command, get over it fam

I once watched a combat video in which an ISIS APC wheels up to a Pershmerga controlled outpost over flat ground and is blown apart by an RPG.

literally one APC over flat ground towards an enemy that has anti-armour weapons. That's the kind of shit ISIS is trying to pull.

Y'know those memes of Germany pointing at various countries and rubbing its hands together gleefully as the other countries stomp Germans? There needs to be a variation on that for Turkey and Daesh.

Yes Abu Hajaar is now one of ISIS' most famous fighters because of the memes that vid inspired.

ISIS' elite fighters are probably some of the best in Syria but I think the general quality from soldier to soldier in ISIS is probably not great.

fucking based comrade.may he have given himself for a better tomorrow for us all.He is a martyr to be proud of

dailymotion.com/video/x53vahg_brits-battling-isis-documentary-frontline-fighting-the-brits-battling-isis_tv

Comrades this is a decent watch on British volunteers in the YPG. Doesn't go into the ideologically side of things and the volunteers aren't radical leftists, but a good watch nonetheless.

Some IT comrades need to go over to Rojava and fix unfuck their shit up when it comes to this kinda thing

It isnt they just moved to a new website: ypg-international.org

Looks like the mini civil war between the FSA aligned factions and the Jabat Feteh Al-Sham just escalated beyond what JFS expected. Loads of factions are joining sides and called for war against each other.

The regime has really quickened the pace in capturing ISIS territory between it and Al-Bab. I wonder what their plans are.

I really really want Assad to come around on autonomy
If he does this whole thing is in the bag for him and Rojava

I think he'll have to eventually. He wants to pretend that he'll be able to win the war totally and go back to it was before, but everyone else involved knows that's impossible. Everyone is pushing for federalization, even Russia, and even he probably knows he wouldn't be able to regain control over northern Syria, and with the way SDF is beating ISIS, SDF would probably control most of Syria by the time Assad defeated the rebels. Even with Russia help, which they probably wouldn't give, it'd be an entire another war to go against them, especially since they're trained and armed by the west; which is probably a big reason Russia wouldn't help him with that: they don't want to get into a proxy war with the West because some dictator, whose ass they already save, refuses to compromise.

TL;DR: Assad will likely be forced to compromise and will federalize Syria and give Rojava autonomy.

They are not armed by the west in any significant matter, Turkey and Saudi Arabia pumped massive amounts of arms into the rebel areas. While USA only gave a bit of ammunition to the arab units of the SDF

You might be right. Regardless, the point is the West heavily aids and is allied with the SDF and since the SDF "winning" is Syria being federalized and democratized, neither of which are significant problems for Russian hegemony compared to a Saudi/Turkish backed Islamist state. As such they have very little reason to risk a global proxy war just so Assad can keep more power.

youtu.be/4YyTC9du8T4

Euphrates Shield rebels execute a man on the accusation of him being a SDF spy.

Meanwhile a few days ago Jaysh Al Thuwar (SDF group) releases 73 Euphrates Shield rebels as a gesture of good faith.

I really respect SDF's willingness to refrain from descending into barbarity even when staring into the eyes evil but sometimes I which they didn't play so nice.

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/824284133052579840/video/1

1:06 /ourguy/ ?

ISIS keep trying big counter offensives to reverse SDF's Raqqa gains and they keep getting BTFO

conclusive proof that the power of Apo > the power of Allah

Allah is a democratic confederalist.

Since you've posted this, Turkey captured this village, lost it, captured it again and they've now just lost it again.

I'm starting to understand how the Ottoman empire fell

imgur.com/a/gBQ5o

NSFW album of dead ISIS recently killed in their failed offensive on western Raqqa country side.

GUYS!!

I know these people are fascists who fought for the subjugation of people and women in particular. But when I see these pictures, I can't see anything but other people with lives, interests, friends and families, fighting for what they believed in.
We fight so we won't have to in the future, so that lives won't have to end like this.
Although their deaths might have been necessary, I hope it was painless.


Trips bringing what might be great news.

Maintaining sympathy for even the worst dead is a good thing imo.


Nice trips, also source pls

Honestly, this is the attitude people should be having to this mess. Anyone who is cheering at more people dying, regardless of who those people are, is a LARPing faggot. At this point, everyone should be wishing for a quick end to the war.

Quickest end is to kill all ISIS faggots tbh, its sad that they have to die but it still gotta happen

twitter.com/alialimadadi110/status/824345589970333696

I only feel sympathy for the conscripts tbh

Based Vlad Putin, /ourguy/ all along

Sounds mostly excellent

Most of it wont pass and is just negotiation matter imo, lets hope federalism passes minimum. That would increase the chances of Rojava staying somewhat revolutionary.

I'd like to point out that Russia has always had a very funny idea of what "autonomous" means.

I'm sure he could find a nice barrel to live in when he's over there

Ooo baby Russia has made themselves the substantially less shitty imperialist this round

They aren't even up to date with the party's ideological changes

There Are a lot of tankie volunteers for Rojava from Turkey however.

There's a great degree of solidarity between all the revolutionary left groups in Turkey

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples'_United_Revolutionary_Movement

anfenglish.com/news/peoples-united-revolutionary-movement-established-for-a-joint-struggle

But anyway the "PKK are atheist communists who hate Islam" is just a rather mindless but typical propaganda line Turkey sometimes takes to rile up the Islamists and conservatives

thecanary.co/2017/01/25/british-volunteer-tells-us-why-hes-joined-the-fight-against-daesh-in-syria/

Interview with another international volunteer (British Turk).

Can someone explain to me why all Alevis in Turkey seem to commies and hard leftists? It's great to see anyway.

Because Alevis have been persecuted by the grey wolfs and the Turkey state for years. Also, like Kurds and Zazas, the Alevis where never accepted into the Ottoman aristocracy meaning that where always a part of the lower classes.
Through this shared persecution with the Kurds; they adopted much of the Kurdish left-wing views.

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shit man he does look pretty exhausted. I don't think anyone will be able to accuse him of being dead weight.

yup

meant

Is there a volunteer force in Syria I can contact via email? I know Rojava plan, but I thought there was a 2nd website which also had an email and PGP public key.
Peace to all.

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/contact-to-us/

opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/rahman-dag/democratic-islam-congress-and-middle-east

Thank you.

Turkey getting absolutely cucked by both Russia and the US in regards to the Kurds

They can stop getting cucked when they return rightful Greek clay. Kalleopolis and Konstantinopolis not Gallipoli and Istanbul. Praise Basileos.

pls not ppg

Someone has been playing too much CK2

Turk here, I wanted to clear some misunderstandings.

1-)Erdogan supporters are mostly old, religious people.
Before Erdogan came to power (After the 1980 coup), women were not allowed to wear headscarves or hijab in schools and government buildings, talking about religion was banned.Kurds were not allowed to speak their own language,sing Kurdish song in public, or have an actual political party.And many Kurds were being tortured in Diyarbakir Prison.
People don't support him because of neo-Ottoman politics.

2-)Although Erdoğan said he would resign if there were any proofs for the Turkey trading oil with ISIS, he still might be funding ISIS.
But that doesn't mean Turkish people support ISIS too.

3-)Turkish government started leaing more towards Russia.That's the reason behind the change of Turkey's foreign policy.

And no, I don't support erdogan.

American IWW comrade Micheal Israel commemorated on the streets of Athens.

Ain't internationalism beautiful.

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Lets hope that, Raqqa front is really bloody it seems :(

Beautiful, allways remember the fallen.

no, you fund and arm them covertly

more like you realized the americans were more than willing to stab you in the back and are literally the worst ally you can have while at the same time realizing that russia has about 50 different ways to pound your hole into oblivion if it wants to

still im glad you are leaning more russia, it should be good for all of us(maybe not so good for kurds, we shall see)

Man, he's so popular and a literal poster boy and martyr and I can see why.
I hope his parents are proud. Hopefully they see posters like this in their area and aren't so sad about his death when they see one.

Turks are just muslim greeks

Turns out it was an American member of the Syriac Military Council. Quite unique, I didn't know they took on voulunteers.

RIP

Yes that's five westerners dead already, and it'll only get higher.

A the same time it dispels the "dude they only use you for propaganda and you won't even fight" meme

SDF is now so large they can do two large offensives in completely different areas simultaneously

I like
Adresses all I can remember I disliked from it

fill me in
How much "negotiation" does russia have given the amount of support, troops, and general "we saved your ass" that they have in Syria?
Would Assad (or whoever survives him) be in a realistic political position to reject any of this?

everything is guns with you guys
Aren't they already socialists? Any revolution they tried to spread to the rest of Syria would be most likely crushed. They are better off being the most autonomous they can and being supported by the Rus into expanding their ideas and way of government

Yes, Assad outright rejected previous similar proposals.

Also chances are high that they just mutate into a socdem one party state that is DemConFed only in name, so hoping that they stay revolutionary isnt stupid..

>ypg-international.org/
>ypginternational.blackblogs.org/
>ypgrojava.org/english
Why three sites? Shouldn't Rojava be a sup-page or some centralized site?

>facebook.com/YPGInternational/
Can't access. Says it's expired or private

>ypginternational.blackblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/243/2016/07/Kurmanji-Basic.pdf
fuck, I love languages
now I want to learn Kurdish

But hasn't the game changed after being assraped by ISIS?

Also, how invested is Russia in Kurdistan being a thing? I reckon is just supporting fellow socialists while weakening Trukey, or are there other economic/resources reasons?

If they abandoned the ideology and split from the PKK/KCK Turkey wouldn't bother them and would probably in fact help em out like they do with Iraqi Kurdistan. If they wanted to take the easy route they would've done it years ago is my point. They're very much committed to the ideology and have been laboriously building it for about 5 or 6 years now, there's no going back.

afaik ypginternational.blackblogs.org/ is outdated, now ypg-international.org/ is the official site for the YPG-I>>1294799

Assad is really fucking stubborn regarding that stuff outwardly, we will see his actual and Russias actual position only when the wat nears its end.

Russia doesnt give a fuck about Rojava, they just dont want Assad and in extension themselves to get bogged down in a second civil war against the SDF after they have finished the rebels.

so has here anyone actually contacted YPG international

There's been a couple people who's on the waiting list.

so… when one volunteers, how likely is it that they send you to the front line?

You won't be sent to the front lines unless you have a decent command of Kurdish. Now I'm not talking fluency but enough to understand and communicate the basics.

kedistan.net/2016/02/28/chroniques-du-front-ypg-ypj/

If you can read French just run this through google translate. It's a diary entry from a French volunteer. He and his friend are not confident enough in their Kurdish so they stay on in the training course for a bit longer.

Once that is up to scratch you're allocated to a unit.

Organisational structure functions as such:

YPG/J Organization (Unit Name and Size)
1) Team, 6 – 10 fighters.
2) Suite, 2 Teams, 12 – 20 fighters.
3) Block (Kurmanji—garug), 2 suites, 24 – 40 fighters.
4) Company, 2 Blocks, 48 – 80 fighters.
5) Estimated Total YPG/J Census, 50,000 fighters
6) There are no officers. When engaged in operations, the fighters choose (by vote or consensus) Team/Suite/Block/Company Leaders. When idle, there is no leadership structure at any level, save Regional Commands. Commanders are chosen (vote or consensus) for regions and Cantons (Kobane, Qamishli) and can only serve six months in any given commando. They are then replaced. There is no re-election.

You can read about this shit all over, I think there's a Rojava/DFNS or YPG subreddit or something that got some links or writeups that's been linked here, this is just from memory of what I've seen write here.
Basically, there's a waiting list of a couple of months, so plan ahead and write to them sooner rather than later if you're planning to go, and go for at least a year, it's trouble getting people in so make it worth their time.
Once you're in, theres a short military training course, and a few months of ideological training. I've seen differing reports of 4 and 6 months of training, but IDK.
Once you're done training, there's 3 categories of work you can ask to do: logistical (Setting up and securing supply chains and internal movement), front-lines, and back up I think the last one was, but I'm no too sure.
So you don't have to go to the front lines if you don't want to, from what I understand.

Apparently 'dozens' defecting to the SDF now.

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/remembering-heval-rustem/
Fuck, this guy sounded so fucking badass, almost too much to believe. He's like someone you'd recruit in Jagged Alliance. Imagine all the stories he had and the experience. It's so sad to think he's dead now and I'll never be able to meet him. Fuck, I'm bummed that he's gone, especially since I've thought about joining the FFL in the past and would've loved to hear his stories and opinions on it.

You should watch the Vice documentary on YPG volunteers they have a really good interview with him in it

Ya I saw that one. That's how I first heard of him and learned that he later died.

Just imagine what the leftist movement could accomplish with more veterans like him

I think he was just really extraordinary. Usually someone with that kind of pass would be more inclined to Fascism, especially in an extremely hierarchal and authoritarian organization like the FFL; they fucking hate leftists.

He sounded like a kind of a drifter who finally found his cause in Rojava.

I notice that even some of the exmiltiary guys who join the YPG start becoming sympathetic to the values of the revolution rather than just "hell yeah kill ISIS". It sounds like Rustem went above and beyond that and became a very devoted student of the ideology.

ASSAD
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pick one and only one

What are you talking about?

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Its called socialism.

Go to Holla Forums pls

If you don't support the real socialist faction then your a traitor to the cause.

Assad is a neoliberal reformist who isn't even real Baathism, never mind real socialism.

Source? He nationalized a on of stuff!

poltard bait

I don't use Holla Forums

Nationalization =/= socialism.
At least Rojava actually has workplace democracy.

you would fit perfectly though, they wank hourly to assad and his torture prisons

Yeah and it also has a ton of private company's.

-)are evidence of a qualitative transformation of the Syrian state. The growing influence of pro-reform factions and their participation in the political process since the 1990s hascome to determine the course of economic development and state reform under Bashar.
While the old guard, embodied in the Ba’ath Party, has
resisted the fast pace of reform, a neoliberal logic has been dominant in shaping a wide range of political, legal and institu-tional reforms. Bringing together the emerging factions of the ruling class, along with the pro-
reform Ba’athists, Bashar Assad h
as been engaged in the remaking of the Syrian stateand economy. Unlike his father, Bashar did not hesitate to get help from the IMF and theWorld Bank. In fact, his minister of finance is an ex-World Bank economist. From this point of view, the period of his rule is quite significant, especially in terms of the im- pacts this new path of economic development has on the process of class formation.

academia.edu/1804097/A_Comparative_Study_of_Neoliberalism_in_Syria_and_Egypt

Also Syrian Communist Party:

“When we evaluate the 10-year period before the aggression toward Syria, we see that the Syrian government made grave mistakes in the economic area. By choosing neoliberal economic policies, it opened the Syrian market to foreign imports, especially Turkish and Qatari products. As a result, hundreds of factories and workshops shut down and millions of workers lost their jobs.
In fact, there was not a substantial change in these neoliberal policies when the imperialist intervention started. As the Syrian CP, we think that the adoption of these neoliberal economic policies was a fatal mistake. We believe that the solution needs to start by putting an end to these policies."

Assad actually reversed the nationalisations of his daddy.

There is no reason to support Assad beyond a bloated sense of anti imperialism

Meanwhile is pre-war Syria poverty and inequality was growing due to failed reforms, opening banks to international trade, reversing the nationalization policy and to top it all off the best way of being rich in pre-war Syria you just had to be in the military and an Alawite whilst the citizenshipless Kurds got fuck all.
So fuck off with your "Assad is a socialist" shit.

Assad Cucks BTFO

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al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/turkey-pkk-diversifies-and-modernizes-arsenal.html

Interesting article here about the PKK. Essentially, they're getting shitloads of new and advanced weaponry from the chaos in Syria and Syria and Turkey is getting pretty worried.

Turkish helis getting shot out of the sky might start becoming a more regular occurrence

Does anybody have the helicopter webm?

Apparently they can.

Has anyone else notice that Lindsay Lohan has become a shill for the AKP and Erdogan.

It's really fucking weird

(Doğu Perinçek (born June 17, 1942) is a Turkish politician and lawyer who has been chairman of the left-wing nationalist Patriotic Party (Turkish: Vatan Partisi) since 2015.)


katehon.com/article/putin-erdogan-agreement-sabotaged-turkish-armed-forces-prevented-entering-kurdish-corridor


Ok, so Perincek is a Russophile

katehon.com/article/turkey-patriotic-war

'member the rumors that Putin informed Erdogan of the coup at the last moment?

(why the fuck does anyone meet the leader of a party with ~0.5% voter base?)

ulusalkanal.com.tr/gundem/devreye-vatan-partisi-girdi-dugin-ankaraya-geliyor-h111481.html

And the grand finale:


al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/10/turkey-power-struggle-between-islamists-and-secularists.html

youtube.com/watch?v=XX2tebxqA_k

nice

I imagine they've gained tons of experience over the last 5 years

Anyone know if there's any blogs/diaries by anyone in Rojava, or fighting for the Kurds? Could be the Storm of Steel for this generation.

Is anyone else a bit put off by how prevalent Assad fetishism has become on the left? I mean I support SAA vs the rebels as they are today but I think this Assad adoration is disgusting at the same time.

Honestly, the fight to end oppression is so core to leftist thought that fetishization of figures such as Assad makes it hard to count them as leftist in my book, even if they on paper wish to abolish the capitalist mode of production.
They're just rabid anti-imperialists / anti-liberals. Which both of course are things that one should oppose as a leftist, but one should oppose them because of the resulting oppression. Anti-imperialism / anti-capitalism are not leftist virtues in-and-of themselves.

:')

yes

Thats conspiratorial thinking I can get behind

between this thread and the last one /rojava/'s been running for a few weeks and hundreds of replies

nice to see

It pisses me off how countries keep inviting the Kurdish National Council to peace talks even though they are a pro-Iraqi Kurd party with seldom any support in Rojava.
Meanwhile the Democratic Union Party, who does all the fucking work; gets no recognition at all.

During the Astana talks Mohammed Alloush called the YPG bloodthirsty terrorists and KNC didn't dispute that or even disagree.

Keep in mind Alloush's group Jaish Al Islam is famed for putting Alawite civilians in cages and putting them on top of buildings and cars to prevent airstrikes.

Why does he want to genocide the kurds again?

He was pretty pro Kurdish until the peace process between the Turkish government and the PKK started going too well and HDP started getting too many votes.

Then the peace process was scrapped and hostilities resumed and Erdogan stirred up a nationalist fervour to get compete power

It's just typical misguided "anti-imperialism"

Some Rojava SoL, youth having fun in the recent heavy snowfall there:

youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1MpKSUex4

so… who here wants to give me a quick rundown of why Assad bad?

Where do you get your news and al this info?
I always picture the average Holla Forumsack being suscribed to 135 news feeds

Missmanaged drought and natural ressources, so badly that it lead to social unrest, implemented neoliberal policies into the former mostly state controlled economy way to fast.

Tortured loads of people, maintained a massive corrupt surveilance state.

Oppressed the Kurds in multiple ways, to lazy to list them all here. He still is opposed publically to Kurdish autonomy.

The overall statesystem was extremley unefficient and corrupt, relied on local illiberal powerstructures like extremely conservative tribes.

When the war broke out he basically empowered local mobsters and other illigal structures so they could oppose the revolutionaries, by clinging to power he destroyed any hope of solving the crisis peacefully.
For example there is systematic kidnapping of people by state forces to extract ransoms from the family.

During the war against the ever more islamist opposition he commited many warcrimes.

His current powerbasis is reliant on smugglers and other self interested groups that are not under good central control. So hes even a bad dictator.

Following a diverse set of twitter feeds, local sources/newssites, some mostly shitty think tank analysis too is the best way. There are some good posters on the scw subreddit too.

I get my Syria news mostly from syria.liveuamap.com and the wikipedia articles of the Syrian civil war are quite active too.
Kurdish activists on Twitter (aka twitter kurds) also posts really interesting stuff such as @AfarinMamosta.
On facebook you get updates from various leftists pages which are not hard to find but Red London and the international Freedom Battalion first come to mind.
If a subject is particularly difficult to understand then I tend to look it up in google news or read the linked wikipedia references.

youtu.be/j2Q1ybd4DZM

One of my favourite Rojava vids

Your twitter game has to be on point in order to follow events in Syria and Rojava

well, thanks

I literally never social media'ed before. Care to spoonfeed me a few accounts to get me going?
Also, how deep is the propaganda game? Aren't there bullshit accounts around just smearing and delegitimizing to serve foreign powers? Or am I being too endchan?

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5pwbnw/rojava_sharing_sources_and_content/

Pretty good starting point, many of the linked websites are arabic/kurdish only, and the twitter list is not complete and lacks critical voices and general war updates.

SDF and pro-Rojava people do post a lot of propaganda against Turkey, stay sceptical when following many #twitterkurds people.

There is also massive amounts of pro-Turkish/Barzani propaganda, but thats pretty easy to spot.

Turkey is on a mission to aggravate everyone in its immediate vicinity

Greece must reclaim it's clay

lundi.am/Sulaymaniyah-Kurdistan-irakien-le-24

kedistan.net/2016/02/28/chroniques-du-front-ypg-ypj/

In French but google translate will do a decent job on em

Hopefully some comrade out there is writing a full journal or book

lots of thanks

Been a lot of rumours about Assad having a stroke recently

it's okay he sent out this cute selfie to answer the haters

You know Assad SHOULD look creepy with his facial features and structure but he honestly does come off looking pleasantly charming

Now there seems reports that he's been poisoned and is in critical condition. idk I feel something is happening with him.

Honestly, this shit seems to pop up every few months, people are blaming it on rebel misinformation.
If this was going on, internal power structures would be changing quick and we'd see some movement in the regime / SAA.
I'd be very surprised for it to be true and only be reported through rumors, many hours into it. Either that or it's trivial and non-threatening.

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ocalan is a turkish Spy, His wife was a turkish government worker and he has done everything in his power to destroy kurds from unifying into one people with his bullshit communist horseshit.

This was its original borders.

Isis has a space program, aided by kurds.
youtube.com/watch?v=z0_F5O4KAQM

Best ISIS getting BTFO vid

youtu.be/3jgRLEHSVNg

hrw.org/news/2017/01/29/krg-children-allege-torture-security-forces

Rojava takeover of Iraqi Kurdistan when?

Never

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the iraqi PKK group basically switches over to officially being a PYD affiliate to be considered a terrorist group by fewer places and gains a lot of ground

Best chance there is PUK winning an election if Barzani every allows one. They often send school books and other supplies across the border to Rojava and are very supportive in general.

Despite being immensely oil wealth I think Iraqi Kurdistan is immensely nepotistic and there's still a lot of poverty, so Rojava might start looking more attractive even if it's a lot poorer to to some people in KRG. It's hard with all the propaganda though, Barzani media tends to portray PYD as Kurdish hating communists.

KURDISTAN STRONK

He's gotta die one day right

but when Russia annexed Crimea the referendum was put solely to people in Crimea. Really makes one ponder.

impressive

Bashar Al-Assad is the Tommen Baratheon of Syrian politics.
He was never supposed to the heir, and was only made so when his older brother who was considered vastly superior died in a freak accident.
It's incredible that he's been able to consolidate power considering that his little brother is very popular within the Republican Guard and is known for his militaristic bravado.

It also helps that he did try and take steps to modernize and develop the Syrian economy


It'll happen, the SAA really doesn't have the manpower to fight the Kurds anytime soon. That said, they probably won't do anything when the Turks come knocking though.

The Turks support the FSA though and function through FSA sattelites.
It thing the SAA will HAVE to try and push back against a Turkish attack, because the FSA actively seeks to depose Assad, whereas the Kurds seek autonomy, making FSA the much worse threat.

SDF got some new vehicles likely courtesy of PUK Peshmerga

No argument there, but again it's a situation where the SAA can't do a whole lot without triggering a regional war with an enemy that frankly, would kick the shit out of them

I suspect Northern Syria, the Turkish occupied sections along with Trump's new proposed "safe zones" will end up being de facto independent regions where the FSA is going to operate out of under the protection of Turkish and American guns

I have no idea what the Russians were thinking when they let the Turks invade, though I suspect they're getting tired of Syria and would be happy with just maintaining the Tartarus Naval Base

Looks like a Tigr, if so it's from teh Russians

No they are probably saudi produced IAG Guardians..

Yeah.
Looking at his history, Bashar seems to be kind of a Crack-Down guy who really will not compromise when it comes to defeating the FSA.
I legitimately think he might risk war with Turkey in a game of chicken, as losing power through total war or losing to the rebellion is all the same to the guy. Besides, I doubt the US is going toallow Turkey to decleare full-scale war, since that would force the US into a war that I don't think Trump is interested in, considering his cooperative tendencies towards Russia.

Stay mad Barzanite.

cheeky provocation there kek

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As an Irishman, love our comrades up north for this. Their internationalist solidarity has always been massively on point.

The thing is the PKK has strong support from the local kurds and especially the years at this point Barzani is one misstep from having a well trained and now well armed insurgency of Kurds with popular support.

*yezidis

How could Rojava stay after the war? Does it have decent self-sufficiency of resources? Are there communal farms and such?

My understanding is that as the war broke out, most of the Baathists fled Northern Syria leaving the majority land behind ungoverned. TEV DEM took advantage of the power vacuum and reversed the nationalisation of the Baathist regime in favour of what they call 'socialisation'. This is a process wherein TEV DEM encourage and help set up cooperatives with people from local communities and then distribute land to these cooperatives when they're up and running. Don't have exact stats but I think 75% of the land is publicly owned. It's growing every day too because of things like this:

cooperativeeconomy.info/21-cooperatives-form-in-heseke-including-three-especially-for-women/

Where 21 new coops were formed and 65,000 acres of land redistributed. And there's seemingly new coops started every other day

As to self sufficiency, Rojava is on track to be agriculturally self sufficient in the summer but in the winter it's more difficult so they set up cooperative greenhouses. There's also plans to set up communal, eco friendly factories but the embargo prevents that from happening atm. Much like with Cuba the embargo on Rojava has its ups and downs. Restricts ambitious plans like the communal factories but also makes them very self reliant and keeps neoliberal NGOs and their influence out of Rojava.

Rojava intends for coops to be the dominant economic form there eventually, so both in the cities and rural areas.

Erdogan BTFO. He was relying on the US pulling support for the SDF when in fact is giving them even more shit.

ISIS are finished

I guarantee you Trump has no idea who he's supporting lel

The US has gone from arming jihadists to fight socialists to arming socialists to fight jihadists within about 20 years. They don't have much long term thinking in general outside "you're fighting our current enemy, pls take our weapons", not really thinking about who it is they're giving weapons to, or what they'll do with them once they're finished with the current enemy.

Trump likes the fact that the SDF gets results.
It's a safe bet and the bet that's least likely to turn into a huge humiliation for him.

Beyond that, he doesn't give a fuck. He wants to be able to say he defeated ISIS so he can go TRUMP STRONK in 2020

This map basicly shows areas that will be Kurdish majorty within 20 years from now.

Kurdistan will basicly be the new Soviet Union.

bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-38812873?post_id=932238596818440_1421965461179082


Likely a wise choice tbh.

SDF != YPG. Trump isn't giving shit to YPG. I'd bet my bottom dollar that shit is earmarked for the Raqqa Revolutionaries over Kurds or or the Kurd-friendly Al-Sanadid.

It's hard to know how much of this is lip service for Turkey and how reflective it is of the on the ground situation.

Anyway the Raqqa rebel groups within the SDF are probably the least trustworthy faction within it. I hope the YPG take the majority of the spoils if they're sending in care packages

Purge when?

The shipment of weapons came in through Hasakeh airport. Absolutely no doubt that the YPG got their hands on what they wanted before the rest was passed on to Raqqa.

YPG getting a sizeable amount of ATGMs changes the whole game. Turkey will get the shock of its life if it goes for Manbij.

Even before that
If the YPG got them you bet your ass the PKK will show up with some too

YPG takes what they want, this is really big news man. You cant supply the SDF without supplying the YPG.

FUCK OFF BARZANI REEEEE

source?

multiple

: ^ )

twitter.com/abdullahawez/status/82657514799798681
Can't see this going through, PYD/YPG won't accept it and were not consulted

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APO BLESS THE KURDISTAN DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC!

It's kinda weird how viciously anti Semitic the tankies on twitter get with PissPigGranddad.

How is genociding Turkish people solve anything, really…

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Honestly it's more of a demographic displacement than a genocide, like the whites in America who refuse to get laid call it.

Hey GCHQ, whatcha doin'?

I often see statements like this and I think it's great because these retards have no idea that there's hundreds of leftist volunteers in Syria fighting ISIS.

Baby doomers being tough guy faggots on the internet despite the country not having a single war during their time - who would have seen that coming?

anfenglish.com/features/karayilan-there-must-be-unity-against-the-wave-of-fascism

Fresh interview with PKK leader

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When you tankie so hard you become a Grey Wolf

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novaramedia.com/2017/02/01/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-a-rojava-volunteer/

Fantastic interview with a British TEV DEM worker here.

Wow, amazing! Thanks for this!

Lmao that guy gets pissed at everything. He was the one who heckled Zizek at left forum

whats his problem?

Looks like a severe case of jelly as fuck.

I'm just throwing this out there for all to have

He overdose on anti imperialism and became most rabid Assadist on earth. He's mad at PissPig coz he thinks he's a Mossad CIA agent hell bent on destroying the Syrian state. He's also mad that PissPig didn't get a letter of consent from Assad to be a revolutionary.

He seems to think Syria is a socialist state and that the US is using Rojava to create a Kurdish Israel.

leftists who counter zionism with nationalism are seriously one of the most retarded specimen you can encounter right after nazbols

My only hope is to learn Turkish as there are a lot of Turks and Turkish speaking Kurds in Rojava but Turkish is so impossible to learn that I'm thinking of giving up entirely.

so he's your typical socdem who thinks he's socialist?

cause baathism is basically social democracy without the democracy part

If you're thinking of going they'll have Kurdish courses at the training camp which will probably make it far easier to learn and you'll probably be at a higher level than most other international volunteers even if you know a little bit.

If you're really struggling just request to allocated to the IFB, where there'll be many English speakers.

I'm also learning Kurmanji at the moment, do you want to exchange contact so we can learn together? It sounds like I'm not having the same troubles you are. back in the day there were no duolingo courses, and you had to learn languages with a textbook and dictionary. most serious courses still teach this way. I can give you some pointers what I learned and we can practice together.

I am using the shit out of that photo. Thanks.

The US in its official statements saying keep mentioning the "Syrian Arab Coalition" next to the SDF as if it's a separate entity. What the fuck is the Syrian Arab Coaltion then? Also the YPG and Kurds are always shrugged off and rarely every mentioned. I understand that's diplomacy for Turkey but it kinda annoys me too.

topkek

What kind of liberalism is this?

I want them and their ideas to lose, and if they have to die for that to happen so be it. I don't want them to die.
Wanting death upon anyone as its own end is honestly pretty psychopathic.

Fuck yeah. SAA are racing towards Al Bab, if they capture it before Turkey it'll be the most embarrassing shit ever

twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/827105570553524225

So it's pretty much guaranteed to happen.

Isn't that what Turkey wants to happen? I've been reading the situation as Turkey is scared shitless of Urban fighting, and it has it's work cut out for it with 3 sizable urban centers it needs to seige. This entire campaign has been more than they bargained for, and now Edrogan is ready to throw in the towel, when previously they wanted to take out Raqqa and all of Rojava.

No, because the SAA have a habit of handing villages, towns and cities over to Rojava because they are buddy with the Afrin kurds & they know that Rojava can administer it in a way that they will seem popular. If the SAA take Al-Bab, the Cartons will be linked. This is perhaps the last thing Kaliph Erdogan wants.

The questions remains if they still want Manbij.

And Turkey's urban combat tactic seems to be "this shit is way too hard just flatten the city lmao". They're doing it in Al Bab and they did it in their own cities like Cizre when fighting YPS.

Except their air advantage is useless atm:since the vast majority of the air force took part in the coup, and were thus purged. There are even reports that some people are basically flying to avoid a court martial for the moment; and thus their morale is rock bottom. The turkish army may be one of the largest in the world, but just like the Red Army in 1941: it will get rekt with bad morale and poor leadership.

What are important primary sources on democratic confederalism besides the self-named pamphlet?

I know I should read Bookchin but I don't know what.

I need homework help

newworldsummit.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NWA5-Stateless-Democracy1.pdf

Check this. The YPG actually use this for teaching.

washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obamas-white-house-worked-for-months-on-a-plan-to-seize-raqqa-trumps-team-deemed-it-hopelessly-inadequate/2017/02/02/116310fa-e71a-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?postshare=8781486061542047&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.ec7072b6c0a5

Interesting reading re Raqqa. Obama's policy with ISIS was quite successful and well judged, I hope Trump doesnt go full retard

PissPig is right on this, I'm sure the YPG fighters who return home will be full of ideas and experience which can hopefully spark something

what news site do you use for kurd news?

I have been using Rudaw and Kurdistan24 but wikpedia says they are biased

Amhara/Hawar News Agency and ANF News are the best for PKK/YPG centered stuff. Kurdish Question has some great articles. Al Monitor does some good stuff too but they're not centered on Kurdish issues.

Rudaw is a Barzani mouthpiece

is that bad?

Yeah fuck Barzani he's bourgeois nationalist and a puppet of Erdogan.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdish_Civil_War

Basically he's a backstabbing cunt.

HUGE if true

kek
KEK

eoinhiggins.com/pisspig-goes-to-war-283123ddaf95#.3rxga9ma2

New PPG interview

A cali hipster who is fighting ISIS. What a badass.

“We’ve got a long way to go. Raqqa is ISIS’ capital in Syria, of course, and by god it’s going to be a hell of a fight. Apocalyptic, I think.”

godspeed and stay safe mr. piss man and comrades

Won't Trump/Erdogan/Assad/Putin/Netanyahu/Putin/etc just ruin everything?

I thought that nigga was in jail, how's he getting glamor shots

The SDF is almost entirely the YPG

The SAA is getting whacked by IS, they lost Palmyra. Al-Bab will be part of the beautiful communalist autonomous region.

I really really like this idea of democratic confederalism. Its just what the left needs right now. Radical democracy.

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can someone post an up-to-date map?

syriancivilwarmap.com/

how likely it is for Rojava to gain independence following the syrian civil war?

highly unlikely. More likely is that they'll get an autonomous zone or their own federal region.

well this isn't bad though. what about iraqi kurdistan? i think they are more likely to get Independence right?

also how is iraqi kurdistan with the iraqi government? worse or better?

they're a bunch of nationalist reactionary faggots.

thanks! i didn't know about this site

who? iraqi kurdistan? why?

Yes, Iraqi Kurdistan. Because they're controlled by Barzani, and are allied with turkey.

Iraqi Kurdistan under KDP are cucks for Turkey who blockade Rojava and are hostile to any KCK affiliated groups. They're a corrupt and nepotistic government that is only alive because they have shitloads of oil.

PUK, who control the other part of Iraqi Kurdistan, are well meaning socdems who are friendly to Rojava and PKK. They sometimes send schoolbooks and stuff across the border

what about ara news?

aranews.net/

is it good?

What sort of economic do they have? Just workers councils and MarkSoc?

Is it a planned economy?

Euphrates Shield will get BTFO if they go for Manbij, more sure of it than ever

are you psychic?


almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-isis-repels-attack-euphrates-shielf-bazzah-near-al-bab/

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/111037765

Some guy on Holla Forums is joining the YPG

lmao all these buttmad Turks on the thread getting triggered that people are flocking to join the SDF and they can't even take Al-Bab.

twitter.com/qalaatalmudiq/status/827984524223082499

Rumours of Turkey/Euphrates Shield prepping for an invasion of Afrin. Worth noting that they tried this at the start of the Euphrates Shield operation and got the shit kicked out of em.

Coops under council supervision with markets and plenty of private businesses. Shitloads of land and most of the big industry has been collectivised though.

I know that three quarters of all property is under community ownership and two-thirds under direct worker's control. The private property that is in Rojava (one quarter of all property) is still accountable to the local democratic council.
I'm not sure how much is collectivized though. I heard bits and bobs are collectivized such as work trucks and other vehicles. My guess is that the economy is fairly decentralised with some war necessities being collectivised.

Various IFB groups' engravings on watchpost in the Raqqa front

lol, I have that same exact Baofeng, but I upgraded the Antenna to 18" whip.

Can people not comprehend that leftists are fighting against ISIS? The replies in this thread can't seem to accept it.

reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ro3lj/antifa_isnt_a_terrorist_organization/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d30f777d

Right wing mongs are passing that pic around a lot kek. Got 300 up votes on the Donald sub. People started getting banned when they pointed out that it was antifa helping liberate the town

Holy shit, EDL BTFO

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For anyone interested, the left one is greek and it says "Solidarity is the weapon of peoples"

PPG said on twitter there were like 2 right wing guys who came and they both left within a month

There was also a story of a right-wing vet who went to Syria to join the YPG but left because they were "a bunch of damn reds".
Apparently there there are quite a few like him.

I dunno how so many people go join the YPG without doing the slightest bit of research on what they're joining. A potentially life ending decision and they can't be bothered to skim a Wikipedia article.

There was also an idealist anarchist volunteer who posted a big rant on Reddit about how there's a police force in Rojava, which he didn't know about and thought shouldn't exist.

Why the hell would you travel all that way and not do at least a basic search on who the hell you'd be fighting with?

Although, the idea of a right wing vet type getting pissed they'd have to go through theory study sessions is pretty funny. Shame he couldn't have more of an open mind.

That's a fucking great picture.

Apparently SAA's plan with Al Bab is to completely block off any ISIS escape routes from the city to make sure they fight extra intensely and to the last man against the Turks and rebels.

Pretty fucking devilish tbh

I'm an anarchist and I fully endorse civilian militia police forces.

are the Turks gonna take Al Bab first or are the YPG gonna take Raqqa first?

Turkey will take Al Bab first (won't be much left of the city) because Raqqa is ten times more complicated, politically and diplomatically. But the YPG would have taken Al Bab and connected the cantons easily by now if Turkey didn't intervene.

British female volunteer on Raqqa front lines

The guys in pic related are doing a fundraiser to send volunteers to Rojava.
So drop your chicken wings and help out Rojava bro.
youcaring.com/redguardsaustin-750275

Everytime Turkey gets a kicking in Al Bab they decide to murder some civilians in Afrin.

Anytime the rebels in Aleppo were getting a kicking from the regime they started shelling Sheikh Maqsoud.

Really makes you think.

Turkey will invade Rojava if the FSA fails to defeat them.

Rojava cant exist with a Turkey that hates them. Thats why Rojava is doomed to fail.

Also rumours that Afrin YPG have destroyed a Turkish tank.

Potential for a massively flare up here.

NICE

Socialism or Accelerationism!

Turkey does not have the ability to invade Rojava and maintain territorial integrity. If they invade Rojava they risk even greater insurrection in northern kurdistan. If anything, this is the reason why the current turkish nation state is unsustainable.

i'm an ML but I support Rojava

anyone have more info about the ML groups fighting there? like the MLKP

All the Turkish parts of the IFB are ML, or Maoist.

There's also Spanish Hoxhaist brigade.

The other brigades like BöG seems to be coalitions with no singular ideology.

MLKP are the most significant one though. They set up the international freedom battalion and have a great relationship with PKK in Turkey too.

Nice interview with them here.

lookleftonline.org/2016/12/interview-with-mlkp-rojava/

Apparently some of the older PKK cadre are still ML too.

Anyway it's nice to see solidarity amongst leftist groups of all stripes in the region. This ML/Rojava beef is confined to particularly autistic corners of the internet

thanks


I'm amazed they exist

Well, something like half of the maoists parties in the world became hoxaist when he split with china.

What do all the anarchists present think of Rojava? I feel like it's definitely something worth fighting for and they're the good guy right now, but I'm a bit afraid of any present or future authoritarianism. DFNS is a state and there are coercive, non-voluntary elements of it, but hopefully those elements diminish and become non-existent in the future and not the opposite.

greenie tards are literally worse and ultimately more dangerous than bonafide nahtzis, you should be removed you pretentious cockswallow, google energy density and then google "im a fucking retard"

their western handlers obviously, they have some serious production quality on some of their videos. My guess would be the cunt that is always "finding" the newest ISIS video, their label sotospeak, SITE intel?

So, appearently trump and erdo spoke today, what is gonna happen?

Reminds me of how GamerGate started. Maybe weaponized autism can help the YPG.

Looks like they deleted the page

Erdogan will downplay ISIS as much as possible and try convince Trump that the YPG are the real enemy

ANF News my man

I dont consider myself an anarchist but I see the same dangers. One of the most encouraging things that maintain my hope is that this is the first movement i know off that activly devolves power. TEV-DEM basically helps to set up and run communes which in turn lessen the centralization of power to the PYD(although the current role of the communes is far from perfect). Also there are many big organisations that subscribe to the ideology but are formally independent and deviate from each other on some issues. Like the youth movement, arab youth movement, womens movement, the christian demconfed party. With every minority that understands the value of the system for them it becomes more stable and independent of the PYD. There are signs of that, like chechenians and circassians calling for their own primary language education.

The danger of a one party state that uses the communes and different movements solely as a enforcer of its deciscions is not banned though and elections seem to be delayed again. But as long as the anarchists in Rojava remain optimistic I think we can also remain optimistic.

youtu.be/zUDYjedlltQ

Germans make the best volunteers it seems. This guy has since been killed, what a shame.

That guy who whined about 'damned reds' is actually a massive faggot. He was kicked out for not doing anything basically.

weareplanc.org/blog/interview-with-ypg-commander-cihan-kendal/

One of the commanders directly involved with YPG-International seems to be the german Cihan Kendal, he commanded a unit at the Sarrin grain silos before. Native german guy that was involved with Antifa before coming to Rojava.

Another sadly dead german was Rustem Cudi who also appears in this documentary from 9:10 onwards, all of it is worth watching though:
youtube.com/watch?v=qoqds4LV9RI

He was 10 years in the french foreign legion and was a german soldier too, but still extremely friendly and caring.


ANF is pure PKK propaganda, not trustworthy in itself.

kurdishquestion.com/article/3830-rojava-has-revolution-eliminated-the-state

Great article describing how exactly some institutions like courts function in relation to the councils and communes.

kek

IFB did say they'll fly the LGBT flag over Raqqa after the Orlando nightclub attacks

That will be glorious, great propaganda too. The clearer it becomes that pro-LGBT left wing radicals defeated ISIS and not someone else the better. The media will love that narrative way more than the narrative Trump will try to push.

The media has this weird thing about not mentioning the ideology of groups fighting in Syria. The rebels are never really mentioned as being Islamists and salafists and the YPG are never mentioned as socialists. They're just simply "the Kurds". I've seen plenty of old conservative republican types on twitter voicing their support for the YPG, and I think it's precisely because they don't know anything about em beyond "they kill ISIS" and vague orientalist notions of "they're just like us".

twitter.com/aylinakilic/status/829043381858877440

Short interview in Kurdish with her. Just from looking at her social media she's seemingly socialist too. How rad.

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I hate you faggots so much

Turkey mounting a huge offensive for Al Bab again. If they fail this time… I dunno

Holla Forums pls, you're not fooling anyone. Assad is nothing more then a neoliberal anyways.

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please fail so we can laugh

also you really sound like you have much more in common with those "Islamist orc armies" than you'd like to admit

Well considering it's a night offensive (v risky) it'll either go really well or it'll be a complete disaster. Turkish soldiers will probably be leading this too so if it goes wrong the death toll of Turkish soldiers in Syria will probably climb up to around 60.

Anti-coercion/voluntaryist bullshit is crypto-propertarian. Anarchists value positive freedoms, not negative.
DFNS is worthy of support because it gives individuals and groups more power and ownership over their life and freedoms in general. Not because it happens to remove the oppressive state, although that was an important part of granting the people this control.


I think you raise a good point: this decentralization actually works in the favor of TEV-DEM, and of the system in general, since it decreases the responsibilities and work burden of the party if people are able to organize themselves.
That makes it easier to stay revolutionary.
But it does require that the people individually in the communes stay revolutionary, and interested in organizing.


Who called you imperialist? He called you a rabid anti-imperialist.

Sadly the communes seem to powerless and to complicated at the same time making me really doubt they can maintain power and participation after the initial revolutionary fervor. But they have been expanding for 4 years now so the most pessimistic estimations have allready been proven wrong. Once the war ends and more ressources become free they might gain importance.

It's still amazing that there's enough of them from Spain, a first world country, able to travel thousands of miles and fight

they should fly the "Anti-Homophobe" Action flag

rootsofcompassion.org/en/flags/fahne-antihomophobe-aktion

Is there anything I can do to help other than fighting isis?
I'm really scared of dying

They've got aid groups working in the areas. Probably should contact one of them/

pussies like you are why there is no revolution in well anywhere

Are you there?

Anarchists value all freedom. If you don't have the basic negative freedoms like not being coerced or allowed to make your own decisions without the threat of force then you have no real freedom. People in Socdem countries have plenty of "positive freedoms" but that doesn't make them free. The anti-coercion/voluntaryist side of rightwing libertarians is bullshit because it's not actually true, not because those principles are bad.

Probably in part the inheritors of the works of people for whom fighting fascists in their own country was in living memory.

Reminder the YPG is cooperating with Assad

The problem with that logic is that it fails at first fucking step.
Any society where people have the negative freedom of "not being coerced from violently segregating those damn negroes". is a fucking shithole, and trying to say "but what about the negroes negative freedoms?" will inevitably lead to some NAP or other bullshit "principle".
Point is that some freedoms need violence to back them up. I don't like it, and I will fight it to the point where it is possible, even where they might seem impossible today, even to the point of - in the above example - accepting some local segregation where not impractical and without material impact or other coercion of those segregated.
But at some point there must be coercion in order to secure positive freedoms, if only to secure the weak against the strong. Eliminating material interests for exploitation can not eliminate all exploitation.
Insisting otherwise is moronic, and insisting that "that's not real freedom" is either 1. insisting in a world that cannot possibly exist, or 2. do not believe in principles of non-hierarchy and non-exploitation.

People in Socdem countries are markedly more free than anybody born in the northern Syrian countryside, or anybody in anarchist Catalonia (outside of internationalist class-traitors of the bourgeoisie supporting the revolution). Which highlights why negative (and to a large degree positive) freedoms are a stupid value with which to judge any society. It's bourgeois ideology, to use a Marxist term.
It's why anybody pointing out the poverty of the soviet bloc in the 80s as a counter argument to anti-capitalism are fucking idiots.

Those principles are bullshit because you cannot (not truly in any case) base your social theory on principles alone. You can critique societies, based on principles. You can make decisions based on principles. But society is 1. necessarily a development of that which was there before (which is also why I don't completely buy into violent revolution as it is often portrayed in discussion here, but that's a different topic), society is a developing discussion, one could say that society is dialectical. Society is not and never will be based on principles or traditional logic in that sense. And 2., resulting from this, society is arbitrary, rather than principled.
These two things mean that arguing from principle must be a critique, rather than descriptive, if that makes any sense.
Just to make it clear, I'm not accusing you of doing this. I'm just saying that the right-wing beliefs founded on these principles are not just stupid because they're incompatible with their other principle of inviolable property rights. I'm saying that they're stupid because they invariably will encounter either inconsistencies or horrible "bite-the-bullet" type scenarios like e.g. many Ancaps attitudes towards children.

Predicting some easy responses and responding to them quickly because I'm an autist like that.
Well, yes, but there's two commas to this. First is that my statement is phrased as a critique to a hypothetical society that's based on the principles of non-coercion / voluntaryism, second is that it's just a shitty way of pointing out the inevitably inconsistency between traditionally anarchist principles of critique if you choose to focus on those two principles. You could easily form a situation like the one in my first paragraph with the principles of non-exploitation / non-hierarchy swapped with non-coercion and voluntary society.
Yes, they very well could. But that's not what they do, they phrase their view of society as almost being this a priori truth to the point of almost being mathematical. Their view of society is built from the "bottom up" so to say, using these principles, rather than looking at the material world.
This leaves out any actual critique of the politics within those views of society, of which there are many.

You already gave the reason why segregation wouldn't be allowed and then called it "some other bullshit principle". People could voluntarily segregate themselves from others who they don't like, just like they can do in any free society with freedom of association, but once they try to force their preferences and opinions on others then they're infringing the rights of others to associate with whomever they wish. Obviously racist or bigoted individuals isn't a good thing to have in a society, but that should be changed through peaceful means, not by immediately jumping to violence to solve any problems like authoritarians do.
I agree with that, but only because when freedom is being infringed, it's being infringed directly or indirectly by violence and the only way to effectively defend yourself from violence is with it.
If by positive freedoms like "freedom from starvation and exposure" then I disagree with that. Since the infringement of those freedoms isn't a result of violence but one of greed or selfishness and those can and should be dealt with peacefully. If an individual refuses to cooperate the rest of the commune can further voluntarily disassociate from him until he changes, and if he doesn't then he can go off on his own and survive alone, since that seems like that's what he prefers.
If the exploiter has no reason to do it and the exploited has no reason to accept it, then it would disappear.
I suppose that's a difference of opinion. I'd rather the latter.
I don't expect a society to fit my perfect ideal, if that's what you mean.

look at these cute female k u r d fighters who are fighting isis :) ;) :-) girl power!

Your response is pretty weak, I'll get to it when I have time later this evening, I didn't abandon you.

4 Turkish soldiers killed today so that's 60+ now

Interesting that though the YPG get more support from the US militarily, diplomatically it's Russia who champions their cause far more.

For the US the Kurds are just allies of the moment since the Iraqis are impotent and Erdogan has been chafing under his collar. As soon as they can get a more tractable leader in Ankara the Kurds lose their utility and they'll dump them. It's not like they shed any tears when Saddam was gassing them with the gas the Americans gave him.

I hope the Kurds pump the Americans for all they're worth because they're going to need the hardware when the USM turns on them.

Makes me wonder why Russia is trying so hard to support the SDF (can we stop calling them kurds now) when most tankies see them as a imperialist puppet.
Maybe it's because Russia wants to keep Syria as stable as possible, I just don't know.

Becsuse Russia isn't Tankie in the "incoherent 'antiimperialism'" sense.

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/829410720223789056

Turns out there's a game coming out where you play as a YPJ fighter

odd but might be interesting

thenation.com/article/have-the-syrian-kurds-committed-war-crimes/
how can one article contain so much bullshit?

What a bunch of shit. I mean the YPG works with The Syrian gov on a military level now, but 6 months ago they were shooting at eachother in Al-Hasakah. They follow the motto of the Kurd, and are building socialism in the lands of northern Syria. Disregard the imperialists that support a kleptocrat dictator, or those that support a failed liberal democrat movement that now spawns jihadis, or an islamist that is invading a state to further more islamists: support socialism in action, support the Kurdistani Revolution in Rojava!

Funny american anarchists now found that Kurdish national liberators don't give a shit about their "human rights" and "democratic values" because they need to build their own country xDDDD

I'm vomiting

turns out anarchists are psuedo liberal dipshits

A few weeks ago some pretty large Turkish paper ran a big "exclusive" saying that thousands of PKK were joining ISIS too. It's fucking hilarious tbh. What does libertarian socialists salafism look like?

Anyway pretty shitty hitpiece from a moderate beheader shill. The "YPG are Assad proxies" argument is without fail always brought up by rebel fanboys exclusively

The Nation has really shit the bed in the last ~10 years

Loaded sentences, unsubstantiated claims with no sources attached to them. None of this has been corroborated from outside sources. None of this has been corroborated by volunteers who are there and are in a position to see it for themselves.

I think they're basing this off UNHRC or Amnesty figures I've seen around, even then SDF/YPG forces (which are largely just lumped in generally as "Kurds") are among the lowest "abuses" of all the fighting factions

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Look, in fact PYD never was anarchist party. It's marxist nationalist party, in fact very authoritarian, and the'ye waging a war, not building safe space on squat for teenage girls with ten genders.

War is in fact organized way of killing the enemy and the constitution ofyour own power in the country. War is not compatible with democracy, human rights, great humanitarian values, only requires a tactical alliances and logical choices, even if only to avoid sending your on people to the slaughter without sense.

I'm not surprised that they are doing ethnic cleansing, they fanatically hate Arabs who persecuted them for centuries. State with a high percentage of the Arab population, has potential for the development of sabotage, subversion or insurrection against the new government, for what PYD don't need now.

The main accusation in the article is of displacement. We have to assume that he got the figures for displacement from Turkish state and KDP sources, since he doesn't cite his sources, and there are few groups that would be able to provide said info besides them.

Literally one (1) guy from Coventry, who runs a clothing store.

Nobody is pretending it's anarchist, but it's not marxist or nationalist either. DemCon is an ideology distinct from both anarchism and marxism, being an offshoot of communalism.
This assumes that ethical choices are not part of tactical and logical choices. Holding territory requires legitimacy, and legitimacy can only be gained through ethical actions.
The problem is your basing you're whole argument on the premise that the article is factually accurate. Considering that the author does not cite sources for the most part, or really provide much evidence at all for that matter, and the sources he does cite do not have independent corroboration making them nothing more then hearsay and gossip. However, there is plenty of evidence to counter his claims of ethnic cleansing by the very existence of arab militias fighting alongside YPG. The fact that you had arab militias fighting with FSA defecting to SDF.

Do you even know what Democratic Confredalism is?
Also they aren't Kurdish Nationalist who hate Arabs, they literally fight along side Arabics and in the SDF, and the top three officers of each municipality must include one Arab, one Kurd and one Christian

PYD sure do have their hands full with all this ethnic cleansing eh

Any party that will provide people peace and prosperity will get legitimacy. War is not the place for ethical choices, only tactical - and that's why there is nothing cool or romantic about war.

Öcalan is not ruling this party. Historically, what you can say about them is that they were always classical Marxist Leninist party with Maoist influences.

They never shun violence against whole villages, intimidation or executions of collaborators with the enemy. And they were well known for their close cooperation with the Assad's government.

Do you ever talked with them? They are definitely nationalists, who fight primarily of independent Kurdistan. Independence first, socialism next.

Nice Turkish propaganda. That shit spawned from an Amnesty International report that the YPG had displaced around 200 families in various villages by destroying their homes. AI didnt classify it as ethnic cleansing because the people were allowed to return to the villages and while the majority were obviously Arab, due to demographics, their were other minority groups displaced including Kurdish families.

By that logic you must conclude that the DFSNS is not committing these acts, because if they did then they would not have the legitimacy that they currently enjoy.

If that's your standard for nationalism, every group that wants autonomy and self-determination is "nationalist". That's a low bar and is really at odds with what they're trying to achieve

They are not fighting for an independent Kurdistan. They are fighting for a democratic confederalist Syria. That's why their faction is called the Syrian Democratic Forces.

No.
They don't want that.
They have explicitly removed all references to kurdish enthnocentrism from the programmes and names of the DFNS because of this.

By the articles own claims, the PYD is merely subservient to the PKK, and the PKK's ideological leader is indeed Apo, who was a marxist but abandoned it in favor of a sort of communalism. But let's assume this claim is bullshit it is. If the PYD did not take anything from Apo ideologically, they would not be teaching his books as a necessity to not just YPG fighters but all foreign volunteers. They would not be establishing communes as Apo calls for. They would not have Apo's portrait everywhere to signify his role as ideological leader of the movement. They would not have the YPJ and the many women's groups that Apo calls for.
When they were still Marxist's-Leninists, sure, but assad betrayed the PKK and the PYD's leader Salih Muslim Muhammad had to flee to iraq after the Assad government had imprisoned him and his wife.

I was just about to post a new fundrasier link but the websites they are hosted on keep being taken down ffs. Apparently fighting terrorism is just too far in their eyes.
Also the Bob Crow Brigade is still banned from twitter whilst ISIS and Al-Nusra recruitment accounts are still up and running.

Should of mentioned that you can still donate to this;
youcaring.com/victimsofwar-752532
Medical care of combatants and non-combatants in Rojava, approved by PissPig.

YBT are legit. Gonna send em some money myself. Hopefully they can get what they need from Europe without Turkey interfering.

I see you homie

reuters.com/article/idUKKBN15M1K6

PKK gonna get blamed for earthquakes soon, watch this space

Speaking of Gulen, it's rumored that Erdogan again asked for his extradition on his phone call w/ Trump–Spicer wouldn't confirm it at the press briefing today but it was brought up by a journalist

twitter.com/arisroussinos/status/829469563662323714

How can they print such fucking patently untrue lies? Scroll down Aris' TL and he also dispels the myth YPG ethnic cleansing. He's a former Vice journalist who's spent a decent amount of time embedded with YPG

Also ignores buildings have to be destroyed because IS rigs the fuck out of them with IEDs or they in general just get fucked during fighting.

YPG the rebuilds them. They've released video of themselves doing this.

That arm badge is KRG not ypg. They are Iraqi peshmerga.

The purpose of porky media is propaganda, doesn't have to be true

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theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/09/blackburn-activist-kimberly-taylor-becomes-first-british-woman-join-fight-isis-syria

Cute!

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problem?

Capitalism is literally the status quo. Joining an anti-capitalist organization is not a struggle against "extremism" but a struggle against the mainstream structure of the world.

They're talking about literally fighting against ISIS in this context

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Turkey Absolutely and everlastingly BTFO

Turkey is getting cucked at every step.

Turk military is a fucking disgrace.

I'm starting to feel sorry for them man, this is just pathetic. Can't someone give them a town or something and let them keep it for a week?

rt.com/news/376873-lavrov-syria-assad-kurds/

It looks like this might be how the war ends. The US and Russia turn against the rebels, and negotiations become simply an issue between Assad and the Syrian Kurds, each supported by their big power patrons.

This is far from confirmed but there's a bit of chatter about it happening recently. YPG don't control those areas, Jaysh Al Thuwar does, but still. They're SDF.

It would mean that the YPG have given up on connecting the cantons militarily and have instead opted to try doing so diplomatically by negotiating with Assad.

It would also block Turkey from making a move on Afrin, which they definitely want to do.

Merely 5k from Raqqa now

Isis will make the kurds bleed

You mean Arabs. YPG will stay back and watch while Arabs die and bleed for Raqqa.

Kurds haven't ceded any significant amount of territory to ISIS in nearly 2 years.

wew, the Turks are FINALLY gonna take Al'Bab

Tiger Forces said they are gonna take it if the Turks don't capture it before Tiger Forces take Tadef. And Tiger Forces in just the last few hours are said to have entered Tadef. So this could get interesting

There's already been a bit of back and forth between Turkey and SAA in and around Al Bab

The Turkish Army really is an international embarrassment to the human race.

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/danish-student-who-killed-100-9776839
Hmm something seems off about this.

reposting from

Encircle, constrict, rinse, repeat. Like Manbij on steroids.

Isn't part of Daesh's ideology having an apocalyptic battle at Raqqah that will trigger the end times and bring back Jesus to smite all the infidels?

The author of this article just said this on twitter. He just said that the siege of Kobani was staged by the YPG to get more international support. Lmao, what a clown

is rojava the most successful socialist society ever?

It's Dabiq and they've already lost the town a few times now IIRC

pic related is them saying "Apocalypse Delayed"

Its not actual socialism and still a far way off from democratic market socialism. I would claim that in some areas revolutionary Catalonia progressed far faster and further into socialism than all of Rojava has.

That doesnt mean its not worthy of support, there is still a good chance that they will manage to create democratic market socialism (anything else will never work in an isolated tiny region that is a playball of greater powers)

Reminds me of George Orwell's description of Barcelona in A Homage to Catalonia

sounds more worth fighting for than anything else in this world right now honestly

That passage was seriously beautiful. Go Rojava!

I agree.

Oh course the Mirror has to show pictures of her otherwise most people wouldn't give a fuck about Rojava if there wasn't anything to fap to.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3777518/amp/Angelina-Jolie-Kurdistan-dies-battling-ISIS-Woman-fighter-resembling-Hollywood-superstar-killed-clash-jihadists-Syria.html?client=safari

Western media has a tendency to sexualise the YPJ and it gets pretty disgusting sometimes.

Wordfilter when?

What could it possibly be filtered to that's more embarrassing than what it already is?

twitter.com/markito0171/status/830521874434183169

Defenses being prepared around Manbij.

The worst enemy of the Turks. They where quite effective during the last offensive on Tal Rifat.

True, just sick of seeing it.
I just want to see its readers mocked constantly. They're not even really people in my eyes.

Somebody needs to take note of this guy and mock him relentlessly later
twitter.com/___Ethoz42/status/830523203592343553

tankies will defend this

Afrin has been building its defensives non stop since the YPG took over because they don't really have offensive capability. And I'm sure Manbij Military Council has been doing the same since Turkish incursion started. MMC has been churning out hundreds of recruits at a very consistent rate since its liberation too. I'd say there's about 5,000 or 6,000 alone in the MMC and that's not even counting the YPG reinforcements that'll arrive if shit goes down

Anyone else have this gut feeling that Rojava will be succesful and actually be able to establish itself as an independent territory for the long term, but will regress?

What I mean is that you get a similar situation to Catalonia. Gradually the rich start to walk the streets again in their suits instead of blending in among the workers, restaurants serve expensive meals again etc.

I wish I didn't have this feeling but I do

This has to do with the failure of syndicalists, marxists and anarchists to distinguish between statecraft and politics. If it does not continue to expand it will most likely regress, though.

what's the difference between statecraft and politics?

I dunno fam, I am optimistic. It looks like everything is getting so hectic that an autonomous region with cordial relations to everyone but Turkey, who is being a mad dog right now, could survive even with some less than ideal politics (from the global powers perspective).
Russia is increasingly pushing for them to become autonomous and it looks like Putin really has it in for Erdogan, by allowing Kurdistan to form then if Erdogan keeps being a shitter Russia could invade Turkey using the Kurds as their prophylactic.
The increasing calls to disband NATO only add to this possibility.

Kys

Basically geopolitics and party/government powergames vs. local people deciding about the issues they face directly.

Turkish Russian relations seem pretty positive atm but it seems like that could change at any time. Balancing being pro Rojava and friendly with Turkey is a very delicate act of geopolitics that the US has showed it's not ready to do, but Russia is making a good job out of it

Erdogan and Turkey despartely want the ethnic cleansing thing to be true

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Anyone have the video of Turkish soldiers executing two female PKK fighters in Turkey?

liveleak.com/view?i=2af_1477834928

fuck turkey

Doing a paper on democratic confederalism. Who has influenced Ocalan besides Bookchin and Marx?

Are there any other big libsoc people I need to know? I'm especially interested in other contemporary thinkers.

Foucault comes to mind. Probably best to make a thread and ask though

Holy shit it's fucking adorable

Did someone make this? Where's the guns? What use does it serve?

Why does it fucking look like that?

There's also a little bit of rosseau in there

Wallerstein, Braudel, Foucault and Nietzsche often come up as Ocalan's influences for dem confed. In his letters to Bookchin and in the democratic confederalism booklet he also talks about doing a great deal of research into Mesopotamian mythology.

There is a list somewhere of what books Ocalan requested from his prison through his lawyers, I think there is a German translation of this list somewhere maybe. You can find mentions of this online if you search hard enough

But off the top of my head He is also influenced by Gramsci, Wallerstein

kurdishquestion.com/article/3085

There was also a english book on the mother goddess myth that also influenced Ocalan but I forgot the title, I remember a wikipedia article exists on this book so you can probably find it if you search hard enough

It's apparently used to transport weapons and ammunition or then frontline. It's been around since 2013 so it's definitely effective.

YPG armour always looks bizarre because they have so little of it and are forced to do Mad Max style modifications on what they do have. It's kind of their trademark now.

it's cute

CUTE

Gains since 2014.

SAA GET OUT REEEEEEEE

SAA's presence in Hasakah is largely ceremonial and limited to a few administrative buildings after they got btfo by YPG in the latest clashes there.

Whoa.

Will the be able to connect the cantons?

Not till Turkey decides to ignore Syria. Which probably wont happen.

Impressive.

Turkey's incursion was launched to prevent just that. SAA are moving to block Euphrates Shield from going any further south though, and in doing so they will link up with Manbij SDF territory.

If post war negotiations go well, YPG could travel through regime held areas and de facto connect the cantons that way.

Turkey pretty much intends to induct all that Euphrates Shield territory into Turkey, they've already erected Erdogan posters in Jarabulus and are teaching the kids Turkish.

Fuuark. Really?

twitter.com/mustefaebdi/status/825814764131590145

twitter.com/M1Massoud/status/823261240642404352

twitter.com/kurdistannews24/status/800786602284879873

twitter.com/HalabTodayTV/status/827190861981159424

pretty clear they have no intention of giving it back

So much for Recep 'Assimiliation is a crime against humanity.' Erdogan

Erdogan assassination and Turkish civil war when?

soon I hope

"Assimilation is bad unless we enforce it in their homes" kek

If people seriously do wanna help Rojava (doesn't necessarily mean actually fighting) you can get sponsors to get into Rojava. They need builders, teachers, and others to help their revolution as much as they need soldiers.

I'd love to be able to help, but only after hostilities have ended in Syria personally. I don't fancy fighting the fucking Turks (and their NATO lapdogs) of all people. I'll probably be of more use after finishing university.

I will not be happy until Erdogan is hung upside from a meathook in Istanbul, Mussolini-style

PKK gonna resume their war in Turkish Kurdistan very soon. Might even be an outright uprising there if Turkey invades Manbij or Efrin. Apparently PKK don't really fight in the winter and just spend those months chilling in the mountains and stockpiling weapons and supplies.

YES YES YES

youtube.com/watch?v=4faj_ei_lwA

check 1:05

pretty fucking sure Turkey didn't even train these guys, they just went into refugee camps in Turkey, gave military age males some guns and said "ahmed, you are soldier now, go liberate al bab"

I WANT TO BELIEVE

I know supressive fire is a thing but this just looks retarded

I think they also scaled back attacks as they are kinda without a plan rn(YPS failed despite spectacular resistance) and because they dont want to play into Erdos hand to much with the aproaching referendum. There is allways the possibillity for some TAK idiocy though.

With the destruction of the HDP and the approaching dictatorship PKK is in a pretty good longterm position though.

The footage of them shooting seems so staged

Exactly.


nytimes.com/2016/12/24/world/europe/an-aleppo-like-landscape-in-a-kurdish-redoubt-of-turkey.html

Already the case. There's been a civil war in Turkey's South East for a while now. Whereas TEV-DEM is to Rojava, the Democratic Society Congress (DTK) is to South Eastern Turkey, or as the Kurds call it "Bakur". The two books on democratic confederalism in this picture give more info on this.

Are the Kurds making any progress at all?

In Turkey they have been brutally supressed and massacred. The Turkish state has reduced entire towns to rubble, and cities into warzones.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-36354742

Turks have said that they will set up a terror-free zone in northern Syria and pic related is there plan on doing this.
However this isn't the first time they have threatened to invade Rojava so they are probably just throwing threats around to keep the FSA on their toes. That being said I don't think that the AKP would hesitate to invade Rojava through Tell Abyad if they could.

Why Tell Abyad?

This is unironically hilarious. How fucking delusional do they think they are? Not to mention by the time they'd actually be able to capture Al-Bab the SAA would be in their way.

/r/ing dump of all Rojavan Mad Max vehicles

soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-82-war-is-heck-feat-pisspiggranddad-21317

ppg on latest chapo. biji

YES

Are the Turks even trying?

Critical article in the Nation:
thenation.com/article/americas-favorite-syrian-militia-rules-with-an-iron-fist/

That's two in quick succession from Gutman. In the last one he claimed the YPG staged the siege of Kobani. In this one he claims the YPG are blocking the border with KRG themselves, yeah that's right, enforcing a crippling economic embargo on themselves, willingly.

Clearly AKP sponsored. Look at all his other articles too, Assad scare mongering interventionist bait.

it keeps happening

lel it Turkey gets hold of al-Bab YPG is completely fucked, I hope PissPig returns before he gets killed

Roy is based out of Istanbul…

biji wiji man

Turkey will take Al Bab eventually, but it won't be a crippling blow to the YPG. It'll just mean another few tough years for Afrin.

Check out this collection of writings by Bookchin comrade.

PissPig implied this guy was being funded by Turkey

you really gonna do this "FSA"? not a fucking wise choice but go ahead

how/why is Turkey so fucking incompetent
i mean, is it on purpose?

Turkey scatters and retreats at the first signs of serious ISIS resistance to avoid casualties. Car bombs have wreaked havoc on Turkish soldiers so far and they're really spooked now.

The Turks are in an awkward place between committing and not committing to taking Al Bab and the rebels they've brought along are just untrained canon fodder refugees.

When PissPig kept saying "we have no connection to the PKK", was he being saracastic?

Can someone help clue me in, on what exactly the PKK is in an unbiased fashion?

I think he was being very sarcastic with that, also with whatever it is "in the mountains"

PKK and YPG are sister organisations and there's a good degree of overlap between them, but they are are different groups.

He was doing the wink wink shit about the PKK because the PKK are seen as a terrorist organisations by some countries, so the YPG's relationship with the PKK is always downplayed for them to get more international support and better PR.

I think he was rightfully covering his ass. The US considers the PKK terrorists.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Qandil_Mountains

what he's referring to re mountains

PKK is the OG Kurdish Worker's Party centralized within south-east Turkey and northern Iraq; they're officially labeled as a terrorist organization by NATO. They were also the ones who originally received the what's what on behalf of Abdullah Öcalan to stop being a buncha Marxist-Leninist edgelords and embrace grumpy old man ideology. Turns out unlike their Syrian counterparts they've been having some trouble here and there, ethnic cleansing and all that; which is what makes Rojava so special because despite the Kurdish Nationalism carried over by their Marxist-Leninist roots, they still remain a grossly polyethnic region.

I don't think they've done anything of the ethnic cleansing variety recently though have they? I tend to view the PKK pre and post Marxist Leninist as almost different organisations. When you compare them now to their behaviour in the 90s and such (probably when ethnic cleansing was done) I think there's a marked difference. I understand you don't get to bury your past like that though.

hrw.org/news/2015/02/25/iraqi-kurdistan-arabs-displaced-cordoned-detained

It still happens on occasion

So are PKK actually terrorists?

That's about the KRG.

They're a militant group who have broken the law in pursuit of their political aims. Whether they're terrorists or freedom fighters depends on whether you agree with them or not.

Very good and informative. As someone new to leftism, this helped me to better understand Rojava and also the idea of getting rid of the state (I think).

That feel when 20 years from now we will kick out the pan-arabist leaders from North Africa and re-adopt communalism.

Could you explain how that work in North Africa?

how that would*

Communes or a revolution?

Communes

Shit dawg. As a lefty who loves guns and always wanted to join the military save all the stupid wars and causes (now fighting for Donald Trump) that would entail. I should really consider signing up. By the end of this year I'll probably be at the end of my rope anyway, working a shit job without much of a future. Im going to do some more research on this, but shit. This might be go time for me.

Whoops. Forgot pic? Am I going to have to stick to AK pattern rifles or can I bring my AR and loot ammo off dead ISIS fighters?

There's no legal way to ship weapons to the middle east, so you'd almost certainly end up with an AK or whatever it is they have on hand. Unless you know a buddy who can sneak your tacticool AR-15 with you so you can show people the art of the tactical carbine

lolno Honestly it's a 500 dollar PSA parts rifle that probably wouldn't last two weeks in the middle east anyway. Just kind of wish I got an AK so I could pre-train better.

if you're very comfortable with an AR-pattern rifle, it'll be a little tough to relearn your instincts on for instance popping in magazines but you'll probably get used to it quickly enough

The PKK have in the past and still on occasion engage in genuine terrorism. Of course, so had the anti-apartheid forces in South Africa.

Why would you want that? Pan Arabism made those countries strong. People like Nasser were great leaders.

Can I get some context on these pics? Are these all kurd groups spread through north africa or something?

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Vast majority of their attacks these days are on Turkish security forces, and they're devastatingly effective.

There's an offshoot group called TAK that sometimes does bombings in cities, but even still they seem to mostly target security forces.

I think they're berber groups, native pre-arab people of north africa.

If I were you I would not trust the bourgeois sources on the casualty statistics but instead pay attention to the media on various pro-PKK outlets

Nice.

are there any leftists who support the FSA though, for real

Yes. It's called a "Marxist"-"Leninist", more commonly known as "tankie" or "Stalinist". Also, there's the leftists with amnesia who supported the FSA. That is, before they found out about the Kurdish national liberation movement "revolution" and jumped to the next big meme that will either not be around in 5 years or will be yet another Cuba-style petro-populist nation state entirely sanctioned by local bourgeoisie.

literally never seen an ML supporting the rebels but okay mr leftcom

Then you haven't look hard enough. And there's even better: MLs who support Islamic State over the SDF pmli.it/articoli/2015/20151015_scuderiletussupporttheislamicstate.html.

Islamic state isn't the FSA

I said
before mention ISIL in tankie support groups, so I know.

I know, still yet to see a single tankie that isn't pro-Assad or gone full retard like your link.

youtube.com/watch?v=XhQCOczYuok

You tell us

What a dick, that's his second comic about YPG-PKK and it's the same shit.

So, theoretically, if I wanted to join the YPG and I'm from eastern-europe. How much money would I need to get to Sulaymaniyah?

The guy who wrote that article is based out of Istanbul and either extremely biased or being paid by the MIT.

Here's a good article about how flawed his reporting on the conflict has been.
joshualandis.com/blog/response-roy-gutmans-syrian-kurds-committed-war-crimes/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: Syriacomment (Syria Comment)

terrorist is a politically charged term

one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

I don't know where in Eastern Europe you're from but I just did a quick check on skyscanner to see how much it would cost to fly from Poland to Sulaymaniyah and you can get flights from as low as €214. Once you get to Sulaymaniyah you have to wait in a hotel for a bit so probably another bit of spending money just to be safe and you're probably set.

damn even YBS has foreigners

thanks for the skyscanner tip, from here it's more expensive, but still manageable, if I can spare for like a year

They have not engaged in targeting civilians since the late 90s when Öcalan got his ass arrested and realised that terrorism doesn't really get anything done.
Thus a more radical splinter group called the TAK (Kurdish Freedom Falcons) pursued terrorist activities whilst the PKK did not. However the Turkish government conveniently claims that there is not difference between the groups, despite the groups never talk to each other and other clear differences.
I assure you that if you look up recent so-called "PKK terrorist attacks" 99% of the time it was the TAK. Basically the PKK are not terrorists but have unfortunately engaged in terrorist activities in the past.

Ocalan's cell on İmralı island.

Looks pretty comfy tbh.

"No"

Oh of course it's not optimal. I'm just surprised they allow him books and writing utensils.

reddit.com/r/communism/comments/5u3nth/500000_kurdshalf_the_populationhave_fled_northern/

twitter.com/KonstantinKlug/status/831745567940345858

kek

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Hi I'm Donald Trump, and this is Jackass

Ok thank you, this is the best explanation I've gotten.

So are the YPG and PKK actively affiliated, and just keep it on the downlow?

kinda sorta

kek

YPG never downplay or disavow their connections with PKK because they're their comrades. It's mainly the US who's scrambling to downplay the YPG/PKK connection because they're giving the former airstrikes whilst saying the latter are terrorists.

Got it. So it's a way to balance support of YPG, with support of Turkey.

Also, please reply the link of that silly video.

youtube.com/watch?v=CgnMckcOU-o

Ignore the Turk title.

Gutman wrote a response, and Aymenn wrote a good response to that: joshualandis.com/blog/response-roy-gutman-balancing-picture/

backstreetblues.wordpress.com/2017/02/14/alleged-ypgassadisis-collaboration-lots-of-guns-little-smoke/

another good debunking article

how the fuck did Gutman win a Pulitzer prize is what I'm wondering

You can't make this shit up

do you even democracy dawg

i'm pretty convinced red kahina and phil greaves *are* the CIA psyop they keep accusing others of being

I'm genuinely terrified that there are people out there who unironically believe in "muh 99.999%", and are allowed to drive.

Lol PissPig replied to a RedKahina conspiracy thread and…good lord, these larper tankies are beyond delusional.

almost certainly, constantly accusing others is a classic trick to seem less conspicuous except la cia doesn't know shit about not looking like a parody

Quite strange. Turkish officials this morning have come out and said Al Bab operation is finished and it's completely captured. Despite only holding about 20% of the city.

fake apparently
syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/16-february-warning-this-statement-saying-euphratesshield

I'm a tankie (If you mean ML) but I don't mind the YPG

I think in the long term democratic confederalism will not withstand a barrage the way a socialist state can though

I differentiate between tankies and regular MLs. Tankies are a certain autistic and retarded type of ML. And after all there's plenty of ML fighting in Rojava.

Very important question: How is the gf situation in Rojava – if you go there to fight, will you get a qt Kurdish gf?

You wont. If you settle down, learn Kurdish, integrate and find a good job you have a chance to marry one though.

YPG/J fighters are in celibacy if they werent married before they joined. Society is prude af, and casual dating isnt a thing. Sex before marriage is frowned upon. And your bullshit wont be tollerated just because you are a foreigner.

that doesn't sound very libertarian

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3dtszo/comment/ctapyo0?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d30f777d

YPG and PKK fighter talking about the celibacy thing. Talks about it in far more nuance than PissPig

Its better than before when child marriages, honor killings, polygamy, easy divorce for men but impossible for women, violence against women and massive sexism where the norm. Thanks to YPJ, Kongreya Star and others these have been almost eliminated. With increased economical independence(agressivly pushed through womens cooperatives) female sexuality will become more visible soon imo.

It's probably a pragmatic measure to prevent the constant internal jealousy and squabbling that would be caused by sexual relationships. It's sensible.

Fuck off. These women are fighting for their existence. They aren't props for you to salivate over.

And having your fighters, you know, not fighting due to the burdens of pregnancy.

It has more to do with sexual inequality in relationships in the middle-east.

They're already talking about how to fix this problem, but so far they haven't found any real solutions, so so far they've deemed that celibacy is the best way of insuring that there is no dominance over women.

This
When ever the women fighting for Rojava are brought up, someone always starts fetishizing them.

and someone always plays a whiteknight for them kek

Rebuilding in Kobani and new construction in Afrin going on atm.

Nice to see.

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Is Assad beelining for Palmyra?

looks like it. Palmyra in and of itself is pretty unimportant strategically, but it'll help if they want to break the siege on DeZ. Palmyra's real value lied in the propaganda it produced from all its ruins and history. Even that's gone now as ISIS have destroyed all that.

Pretty much. dating and stuff might lead to jealousy and infighting in the ranks. Your gun should be the only pipe shooting stuff in a battlefield.

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What's up with ISIS holding a small part of Damascus?

Old refugee camp turned city where Nusra fights against ISIS and both ignore the SAA around them. So no one really cares about it.

Me and a couple of gomrades are working on going over there in a year and a half. This is what the form looks like for volunteers

Hello,

We are glad to hear that you want to come to Rojava and support the YPG.

This is a standard procedure we follow in order to determine whether you seriously consider to come here. In order to proceed to our communication, you are expected to answer the questions below. If we know you better, we would figure out how you would help us during your stay here. This is not a one sided phase. The more we know you, the more you will be informed about our principles, our expectations and about the challenges you will face. We do not want you to be disappointed and frustrated here. We highly value those who want to offer their solidarity and struggle with us shoulder on shoulder against the enemies of humanity in the name of freedom and justice.

The YPG strives for a democratic, ecologic, and anti-patriarchal system of self-organisation; it takes its power from the peoples and fights for the peoples. We struggle to defend the dignity of being a human when there is no one around to defend it and to create an ethico-political
society in order to realize ideals of equality, justice, freedom, and self-determination. We wage a war against all forms of fascism and
capitalist hegemony that try to enslave the peoples and destroy the nature. We get our inspiration from the philosophy of Serok APO whose
ideas have become a torch in the jungle of oppression for the poor and the downtrodden; not only in Kurdistan but also in all around the world.

The YPG is more than a military force. It is a revolutionary organization that protects the transformation towards the ethico-political society against its external and internal enemies in accordance with the principles of democratic confederalism. So its fundamental mission is to defend the people and the Rojava Revolution. Based on the philosophy of Serok APO, the YPG struggles for a free and democratic Syria where tolerance towards other political views, religions, sects, ethnicities, cultures, and languages is a fundamental value. In this sense the YPG is democratic and legitimate self-defense force against hegemonic assaults of capitalist modernity and against pathological ideologies such as ISIS that had been produced by the capitalist modernity itself along with a deep crisis in the Middle East.
The YPG is one of the forces in the Middle East that offers an alternative to capitalist modernity and its freakish products: the
solution of democratic modernity. This alternative solution is not an abstract formulation; nor is it a salaried speculation. It offers
‘economic community’ as an alternative to capitalism. It confronts with industrialism of capitalism through ecological-economic community. It
contests with nation-statism through an ethico-political society. This, however, radical and realistic position the YPG defends militarily
creates enemies more than it creates friends. Turkish state in the north for example is cooperating with ISIS. The KDP as the representative of
primitive-nationalist and petty-bourgeois line in the Middle Eastern political spectrum cooperates with Turkish state, tries to suffocate
Rojava with closed borders and with embargos, and even attacks to Kurdish people in collaboration with the proxies of Turkish state. If
the Assad regime does not attack the YPG now, it is because it has powerful enemies around itself that wait for an opportunity to strangle
it. Despite the defensive position of ISIS, it seems that it will take more time to defeat these murderers completely. But that the YPG
struggles with enemies of humanity and defends the transformation of Rojava in the direction of a democratic modernity is being appreciated
every day more and more by many. Dozens of the YPG martyrs from Germany to Australia and of the internationalist revolutionaries who fell
fighting shoulder on shoulder with the red star of the YPG and of the YPJ are the proof that the Rojava Revolution has already become an
internationalist revolution that would never be extinguished.

To achieve a revolution is a hard work, to protect it is harder; if not the hardest of all ethico-political activities. If a revolution does not gain a global dimension by establishing a network of solidarities everywhere, it is bound to be defeated by the reactionary forces and
byproducts of capitalist modernity. Hence, as Serok Apo points out in "Democratic Confederalism" that has been translated by International
Initiative, “We need to put up a platform of national civil societies in terms of a confederate assembly to oppose the United Nations as an
association of nation-states under the leadership of the superpowers”. So, people from all around the world, those who think that another world
is possible and that one has to fight and confront with the monsters to make another world possible, would contribute to the platform that would spread the revolution of peace and justice.

If you want to support the YPG in Rojava you should then do this for the values of humanity, and not only for your own agenda. You won't be fighting here for money. We won't tolerate those who only seeks fame through our struggle. What we can offer you is the possibility to join an honorable struggle for the values of humanity on the search for the truth and the right way of life and the possibility to learn more about the most important progressive revolution and struggle right now on the planet.

We prefer to have people here who want to be part of this for the right reasons. We don’t need people who think that they are Rambo – and please no Fascists. Rojava is not an adventure park, this war is not a Hollywood film and the YPG is not a PR-Agency.The YPG is not a place for people who like to kill people because of their beliefs and identities. We won't tolerate people here among us in the YPG who are actual members of police, army or intelligence services. There are other channels for these institutions to contact with the political and military institutions of the Rojava Revolution.

Supporting the YPG in Rojava is hard work, and you will need much effort and patience. Rojava is not a place for exotic holiday trips or for adventures. Supporting the YPG is not a game, and no fun activity for bored people. Read this text carefully, these are the most important basics that you have to know and understand if you want to support the YPG in Rojava. When you have read this text and you are still willing to come to Rojava to support the YPG then you should answer the questions below.

These are the characteristics that people should have who wish to support the YPG in Rojava:

1. Serious in thinking, speaking and acting
2. Honest and determined
3. Respectful for different ways of thinking and living, cultures and beliefs of the people in the Middle East and ethical and cultural values of the YPG
4. Willing to integrate into the system of the YPG and willing to learn, work, and live in a collective way
5. Disciplined, sincere, and modest
6. Patient and able to build up strong social relationships
7. Open-Minded and ready to critisize and to being critisized
8. Positive thinking and constructive acting
9. Respecting the idea of women liberation and its practical organizations
10. Willing to embrace defending and serving the people as the most important principle

You do not need to be ex-special forces, even not a former soldier, but of course military experience would be helpful. We appreciate people who share their tactical and technical knowledge and people with experiences and constructive criticism, but you should keep in mind that we are no amateurs. Our six years of experience against our enemies would easily prove this. However, we are always open to learn new things, to develop ourselves, to work with a self-critical approach, and to overcome our failures for better outcomes.

People with special skills and knowledge would do a plethora of things here in Rojava and in the YPG, but to be able to do that you have to learn a basic level of Kurdish and you have to understand some basic things about the Rojava Revolution and culture, history, ethical values and mentality of the people of the Middle East. Besides, you should have some understanding of political, economical, social, and military situation of Rojava, Kurdistan and the Middle East. You will find a completely different reality here. Without a certain level of understanding of all this, a sense of frustration would be inevitable. In order to prevent this, a basic training will be provided for you.

If you are physically and mentally fit and healthy, open-minded and patient, willing to respect our culture and values and ready to learn, to work and to fight constantly for minimum 6 months in a war-torn Middle East country; then you would support the YPG in Rojava. Do not expect Western standarts of material luxury and prepare for a life without internet and smartphones. Do expect harsh conditions concerning food and sleep. Be aware of the fact that you will have to adapt to a foreign cultural and ideological context and military standarts and rules.

What we want to know about you:

The following questions can be a help for you to write a text which is able to show us how serious and realistic you are with your decision to support the YPG in Rojava. The last part of the questions, part d), you just have to answer with yes or no. Copy and paste part d) and write your answers next to the questions.

a) What is your name?
How old are you?
Do you have a facebook account? If you do, let us know so that we would contact you there too.
When do you plan to come to Rojava?
Have you been in Rojava before? If yes, how long?
Have you ever been with other armed forces in the Middle East like Peshmergha?

Tell us something about your history, your life, your family, your character and answer the questions below.

1. Where were you born and raised? Where did you live? and Where do you live right now?
2. How was and is your family situation? Tell us something about your parents and how they influenced you.
3. Are you married or in a relationship? Do you have kids?
4. What kind of education do you have?
5. Do you know other languages?
6. What is your profession? What do you do in your free time?
7. Tell us about your political and religious inclinations, if any.
8. Do you have military experiences and if you have, where and how long?
9. Do you have special skills or special knowledge?
10. Have you ever used drugs?
11. Have you ever been incarcerated? If yes, why?
12. Are you wanted by any state?
13. Tell us about the 5 most important values for you.

b) The YPG and the Rojava Revolution are based on the philosophy of Abdullah Ocalan. Serok APO says that everybody has to ask himself or herself three important questions to find out what is the right thing to do. What are your answers?

1. How to live?
2. What to do?
3. Where to start?

c) Tell us something about your motivation to come to Rojava.

1. How did you hear about Rojava and the YPG?
2. What do you think about Rojava and the YPG?
3. Why do you want to support the YPG in Rojava?
4. The YPG is not just fighting a war against ISIS, YPG is defending a revolution. What do you think about this revolution?
5. Fighting in the YPG is more then fighting the enemy, you have to organize all parts of your life by yourself and in a collective way in cooking, cleaning, working, and learning. Are you ready for this?
6. Having no connection to your family and friends at home for weeks or months, are you ready for this?
7. What do you think about our enemies?
8. What do you think about war?
9. What do you want to do here?
10. What kind of doubts do you have?
11. What are your plans ?
12. How long do you want to stay in Rojava?
13. What do you want to do after Rojava?

d) Questions about your personality. Copy and paste the questions and answer them with Yes or No ( Example: Do your moods fluctuate a lot? No)

Do you have difficulty trusting people?
Do you tend to avoid social relationships?
Do you prefer to be alone rather than in the company of others?
If you answered yes to the previous question, is it because you feel very anxious in social situations, or.. (Yes/No)
..because you are suspicious of their motives? (Yes/No)
Do you find yourself unaffected by praise or criticism?
Do you see people who get taken advantage of as being weak and deserving of being used?
Do you feel a yearning for acceptance among your peers?
Do you have a difficult time relating to others?
Do you believe you have special extrasensory abilities (ability to "sense" a person's presence, for example)?
Do you often find that your emotions are inappropriate for a given situation?
Are you plagued by suspicions that other people, including loved ones, may be doing things behind your back that will end up hurting you?
Do others see you as being cold and distant?
Do you tend to choose jobs that are below your skill level?
Do you find it hard to concentrate on one thing for a long time?
Is your appearance or behavior considered "eccentric" by other people?
Have other people accused you of being cruel to animals or people?
Do you take actions without thinking about the consequences?
Do you sometimes profit at the expense of others, without being bothered by the pain or damage you may cause them?
Do you consider your needs to be more important to you than the needs of others?
Do your moods fluctuate a lot?
Are you prone to bouts of anger?
Do you often feel like people are saying negative things about you behind your back?
Do you often see things in black and white terms? In other words, something either is or it isn't, with no gray area inbetween.

Are you often uninterested in the feelings of others?
When you are talking to someone, do they sometimes have difficulty following your train of thought?
Are you quick to anger when your expectations are not met?
Do you intentionally injure yourself, for instance by cutting yourself or taking too many pills?
Do consider yourself having a strong love for approval and praise?
Do other people accuse you of being manipulative?
Have you had recurrent thoughts of suicide?
If you answered yes to the previous question, do you tend to have these suicidal thoughts during and after a break-up with someone?
Do you tend to be critical of loved ones, sometimes holding them to higher standards than you hold yourself to?
Are you very afraid of being alone?
Are you focused on order and perfection?
Do you feel that you are depressed a lot?
Do you always feel the need to have a story to tell?
Have you ever been in jail or done something that you could be put in jail for?
Do other people accuse you of being self-centered?
Do you occasionally or often dress or act provocatively to gain attention?
Do you have a big fear of rejection (of any kind, not just romantic)?
Do you often second-guess yourself?
Do you find yourself exaggerating your achievements to win the respect of others?
Do you frequently alternate between feelings of high self-worth and self-disappointment?
Do you tend to lie a lot?
Do you frequently reassure yourself that you are deserving of praise?
Do you frequently reassure yourself that you are self-sufficient?
Do you often feel uncomfortable in social situations?
Does your concern for doing everything "right" interfere with your productivity?
Do you have trouble not taking criticism personally?
Do you feel the need to always be in a relationship?
Are you quiet in social situations, often out of fear of saying something stupid?
Are you often critical of weakness in others, particularly classmates or coworkers?
Do you exaggerate the potential difficulties of new situations in order to convince yourself not to try out new activities?
Do you yearn for intimate relationships yet feel that you are too socially inept to obtain them?
Do you ever steal things from stores or people's houses?
Do you suffer from low confidence?
Have you ever exaggerated illness or other weakness in order to get attention?
Do you have an intense fear of separation from those you love?
Have others accused you of being arrogant?
Do you avoid working in teams because you are convinced that others are too careless and will not work to your standards?
Do you often let others make important decisions for you?
Do you have intense feelings of inadequacy and helplessness?
Do you often get stuck on the details while missing the larger picture?
Are you very concerned with your appearance and how others perceive you?
Do others accuse you of being rigid or stubborn?
Do you have a hard time throwing things away, even if they are old and worn out?
Do you engage in any obsessive or compulsive behavior?
Were your parents cold and distant or treated you negatively when you were growing up?

Try to be open and honest about yourself so that we would make a right decision. It is very important for us to make a right decision because we consider this as a a big responsibility. To support the YPG in Rojava you have to trust us and we have to trust you. You are not going to join a football club or get a new job in a company, you are going to take part in a revolution. Never forget that we will call each other here "Heval", meaning friend and comrade. "Heval" means for us much more than one's family. Comrades would easily sacrifice their lives to protect each other, if it is necessary. Therefore, you should not give us an incorrect impression of yourself. If you are not used to write texts do not worry, we are not expecting a sophisticated text, we just want to know a bit about your personality. If you have difficulties to write in English, you may ask a friend to help you writing the text; but you should take your time and concentrate on the text to get certain about yourself and about this important decision.


Again, be certain about yourself and your decision, coming to and leaving from Rojava is not so easy, and if you want to support us you will have to stay minimum 6 months.

p.s. If you do not get answer for more than 3 days, please remind us.

Revolutionary greetings and regards

Important shit, if you're thinking about going.

Getting organized with others is probably a good idea too.

This is fantastic comrade, thank you.

Out of interest have you answered back?

I did, but they haven't sent a response back yet. Feels bad man

I wouldn't worry too much, PPG said they take their time with replying and you gotta be persistent, but they'll make it happen eventually.

I mean they specifically ask to be reminded if they dont answer for a while… although such a long term plan probably isnt worth their imediate interest.

Yeah heard that a lot, its more professional and organised than in the past, but still not perfect at all.

Yeah I figured as much. Really, I contacted them originally to find out how long the waiting list is but I got that form sent to me instead.

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, PLEASE POST WHEN THEY'RE ABLE TO GO, IF THEY HAVE ANY PARTICULAR SKILLS, OR IF THEY NEED ANY HELP

The more we can help each other out and coordinate with each other, the better.

So much for that.

Based on the other people that I know got accepted by them people either lied or they arent to picky if you dont seem crazy(some of the questions seem clearly aimed at weeding out schizos and other mentally ill people).

How are these mutually exclusive?

Why are so few of these questions about your actual abilities? Isn't your ability to actually contribute rather more important than an overly detailed analysis of your personality?

Considering this is for the YPG specifically, I'm guessing they figure they'll just train you anyways so they're just looking for sane able bodies.

They can teach you, but dealing with mentall ill people or people that cant deal with long term situations of pressure and culture shock are useless from the start.

Why are they so obsessed with getting super social happy people anyway? Couldn't they just group up all the depressed autistic people together and let that sort itself out?

YPG questioning of personality is to weed out wannabee crusaders who just wanna kills Muslims.

middleeasteye.net/news/christian-foreign-fighters-deserting-kurdish-ypg-syria-because-theyre-damned-reds-1976493133

Things like this happen otherwise.

Because you live in a communal group on little space for long bouts of time. Sometimes apparently also including self criticism sessions.

Well they've taken depressed people before, as well as socially awkward people. It's OK to be a bit of both as long as you're functional and can fight, deal with the pressures etc. There was a story a year back or so of an american anarchist who struggled with depression, and they still took him. Though, he did end up dying unfortunately but he died a martyr at least

I'd be stocking up on suicidal and depressed people. They can die in a vaguely useful manner and you get troops to use for especially risky operations.

The most important is that you're not anti-social and can cooperate with others.
As something with military experience, I can tell you that coordination and cooperation, much more so than any kind of personal skills, are what's important in combat situations.

reeee they sound like normies

Dont dehumanize yourself so hard comrade, even under capitalism they cant extinguish our humanity completely.

*as someone with military experience

could Rojava be a Wizard Community?

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Think that might've been Jordan Mactaggart

Does anyone know how many foreign fighters are in Rojava?

Yeah that looks like the guy I remember. RIP

1,000+ at this stage

Any source? Because the highest estimates I have heard is 400.

youtube.com/watch?v=appF_hCMxmU

The YPG international Kurdish teacher says 800-900 here but it's from last year and they've probably brought in another few batches since. So if it's not 1,000+, it's around 1,000.

She's likely not counting IFB in that either, since most of their members wouldn't have gone through YPG international.

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Shes not trustworthy according to a kurd there, she has since left/deserted to Europe.

It's just extremely difficult to come up with precise numbers for any group in Syria (by design) so we have to go off such sketchy sources.

Honestly if I was a dictator and through various forms of election rigging the results of the election were the the 90s i would lie about it and say they were in the 70s because fucking seriously, 99%?

Yeah, PissPig mentioned these guys. Also, that one cannibal dude.

Yeah, it still wouldn't be enough proof of a free, legitimate election, but THE LION would definitely trick way more people like that.

Over in belarus the president once straight up said "yeah i got 80 something but's not a 'european' result or some nonsense so we just said it was 60 to shut poeple up."

Hmm, so what you're saying is that loose sexual relations between men and women sows jealousy, discord, and hurt feelings and the Lions of Rojava agree?

bretty gud time to be Muslim socialist

Yup, it's typical Orientialism to fetishize these "exotic women". I'd be interested in seeing an interview with a typical YPJ fighter, and her view on the men who drool over them.

That's kinda the strategy of recruiters of suicide bombers. Find the most disenfranchised and alienated young men they can. There's a real surplus of those nowadays.


That's nice to see, but I don't see construction workers. I hope the work hasn't stopped.

Also, do you have any idea where the funds came from?


Source?


Are there any other groups bringing people in outside YPG? It seems the Lions did that but have disbanded.

To be fair Turkish tankids have been supporting them strongly the whole time

People here fetishize women because they're sex-starved nerds. Some girl getting offended about that would not change anything.

Exactly, so why not let them get themselves killed for Rojava? These strict mental health checks seem rather superfluous.

I've said it before, everyone going off to become an islamist are the people who would've become wobblies or bomb totin' anarchists if we had an actually relevant radical left.

Somebody not on their phone should cap the thing.

Damn, makes you wonder how on Earth they got there. The YBS are pretty hard to find if you don't follow the middle east closely

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The yazidi were a whole big thing for a while, probably got inspired at the time.

The recent Chapo episode: soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-82-war-is-heck-feat-pisspiggranddad-21317

MLKP run their own training camp up in Qandil and bring in people independently of YPG.

YPG-I(I for international) is the group that is run by the YPG now that brings people over and trains them.

how do you think Assad would frame a war against the SDF? it's pretty easy to agree with Assad when he calls rebels terrorists considering their ranks are full of jihadists but how would he go about demonising SDF to the extent that people support a war against them?

new pic from the Antifa Tabur boys

From Rojava to the world.

Today a group of fellow anti-fascists, internationalists, anarchists, communists, socialists and libertarians appeals to support the revolution of Rojava and so joining struggle of the oppressed. We come from the shadow of the western capitalist world, to fight and to learn from our fellow comrades in Rojava how to claim freedom and the right to exist. With their courage we hope to create a life without oppression and persecution, a world without fascism and obscurantism. We set sail towards this goal pushed by the winds of liberty, equality, and respect for the Earth. This is the way of those exceptional people who have sailed towards oblivion leaving an unquenchable heat inside our hearts. It is the same warmth that we feel now, that animates us, that drove us across the threshold of the flames of the struggle of the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria.

“Each comrade, here, now, fights with a heart full of sunshine.”

Every comrade, here, now, fights for the light, with the living memory of previous partisan struggles, for a better world, that have led up to these fiery lands. So, with the name of our unit, we want to remember the comrade Sahid lvana Hoffman, fallen valiantly fighting Isis on the front of Till Tamir, in March 2015. Together we fight to defend those values, which we retain in our hearts. We take our symbol from the revolutionaries who fought in Spain, in 1936, for a world without borders, without shadows and without fear— History did not defeat them. Their dreams did not die, but are now reborn with us, with each comrade, who now fights in Rojava. As a phoenix always rises from the ashes, so the fire of the Revolution, will continue to burn forever.

“We are partisans, we live.”
Silav u Rezen Soresgeri.

Antifascist Internationalist Tabur

insurrectionnewsworldwide.com/2016/12/21/rojava-new-international-battalion-formed-antifascist-internationalist-tabur/

Is there any way you can support them if you're weak and don't want to go into cities killing Daesh and defusing mines?

There's this book out there by a Maoist comrade who fought in Kobane (he was also in a interview with rolling stone with pisspig). Anyone here who knows Italian willing to translate 350 pages into english?

There are some civillian options if you know any technical skills

reddit.com/r/rojava/comments/533cok/how_to_join_the_rojava_revolution/

Care to explain more about this?

Little excerpt from an ANF article about it. Sounds good, I'd buy it if there was a translation.

Who is Pisspig?

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37337908

Unfortunately Holla Forums is not exempt from this phenomenon and Holla Forums comrades should self-criticize on this topic

Self-criticise? Why? Fuck off, Reddit.

What I wrote is all I know, they had some trouble with that language teacher and she is no longer there. And I was told that she isnt trustworthy.

a real bad dude

PissPig talked about this right-wing faggot who came to Rojava to fight ISIS but left because he found out it was full of commies, how do people like that even get there when there's a form that makes it clear in the 2nd paragraph that they're leftists?|

He said that they became more selective after the incidents with these wannabee Crusaders.

Before YPG-I there was LoR which at first was run in the spare time of some volunteers. They where most active on Facebook and the first wave of volunteers consisted mostly of veterans who told their friends about it. So you can imagine which kind of people got attracted.

righties can read but they can't understand.
there's also those application tests that were recovered from ISIS that show that most of their fighters don't know shit about islam.

the idea of some hardcore conservative Iraq vet going through classes on women's studies and anti capitalism is kind of hilarious

Judging by the stuff most non leftist people there said about the ideology it seems like most of them take a certain liking towards it. They dont embrace it but they see and understand the good sides. Few liberals reject stuff like feminism, local democracy and ecology.

Shit, I hope they don't reject people for past depression or drug use.

Doubt they would, wasnt pisspig a heroin addict for a while?

sounds based

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I doubt they have access to your medical history.

here's an edited version in pdf/a

The fact that you are letting autism define you is your first problem. Once you stop caring and start to act against the symptoms, specially the social anxiety, it will seem like you never had it.

eh I say why no go anyway

you could meet a socially awkward kurdish grill.

rt.com/news/377697-syria-condemn-turkey-un/

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5ulfga/ama_jac_holmes_british_ypgsdf_volunteer_3rd_tour/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit

British YPG soldier doing an AMA on /r/SCW atm.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-39008776?ocid=socialflow_twitter

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I think the project was called 'Rebuilding Kobanî' or 'Help Kobanî' where they got donations from their website.

you know for a moment there I thought the Turks were actually gonna take Al Bab but much of their recent gains have been reversed and now they're back on the outskirts of the city again

Why are Weird Twitter people trying to recruit comrades to fight for Zionists in norther Syria?

I've never had actual autism, but I have PDD-NOS and managed to grow out of it. I think actual autism is much harder to grow out of it but you can still become more social.

nice meme

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PKK have actively fought Zionism you little bitch

how brainfucked are you? The jews are not everywhere

Kurds are pro-Israel and anti-Assad. Do NOT deny this.

Well Assad is a punk bitch

Tankie logic, my boys.

They've received weapons from him, publicly endorsed him and fought alongside the SAA

lol you clearly know absolutely nothing

pottery

Keep talking shit you fucking idiot.

man he must be an edgy 14 year old cus that boy hates everyone

Bullshit. Assad and Rojava are bffs.

These guys don't like Assad, they just presently view him as the lesser evil.

exactly tbh, I think when the Syrian Civil War ends and the rebels are defeated a lot of rebel supporters will realise how bad they fucked up by alienating Kurds to the point where they became more sympathetic to the regime (which they still fucking hated).

A lot of rebels throw the "Assadist" smear at YPG, but it wouldn't be like that if the rebels werent sectarian salafist retards.

are ISIS fucking sleeping or something, SDF are only 3.2km from Raqqa now. this is no longer 'isolated irrelevant villages' territory.

Probably drawing the SDF into something.

That was also because of turkey. Sure rebels were retards and secterian tosspots towards us Kurds but turkey played unprecented role about it, they basically told them to be hostile to us or no supplies. Rebels did it with all their hearts though.

you Kurdish m8?

I am

I'm not that other guy tho

Cool. Great to have a Kurdish comrade among us. Which part of Kurdistan are you from?

I am Kurdish, specifically from Bakur.

How's life there at the moment? Do you see anything major happening this year with PKK and its affiliates like Cizre or Sur?

My mother was born in Baghdad, but she's an ethnic iraqi-kurd. I wasn't born in Kurdistan but as a second gen immigrant I still consider myself one.

"They're terrorists"

He can literally do that with any group, regardless if it's true.

I think KCK itself admitted that trench war in the cities wasnt good idea so i doubt it. Life is pretty shitty regardless mate.

An American who joined YPG, and is somewhat a celebrity on Lefty Twitter

Just listen to his Chapo episode, one of the best ones: soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-82-war-is-heck-feat-pisspiggranddad-21317

Bakur, born and bred.

This insult literally means nothing, anymore, considering it's used for everything.

to what extent is the PKK supported there?

Bakur is Turkish Kurdistan.

It is pretty much supported. An organization can't survive in Middle East without major support from of populace.

Holy shit Phil Greaves doesn't defend Assad. He IS Assad.

Very interesting AMA

Stupid noobie question: Who is fighting at al-Bab? Turks, YPG, and ISIS, right?

Also, why is it important? Linking cantons?

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Well yeah, that's literally true

ISIS vs Turkey, it was important as taking it would have been integral to connecting the cantons. Which is sadly impossible now.

So now we all just watch as turkey gets btfo on epic porportions by a bunch of goat fuckers.

SANCTITY, LEGITIMATE and SOVEREIGN are typical Assadboo buzzwords.

It's the Turks with their FSA allies who invaded from the north to fight ISIS. This was a move to block the Rojava cantons from linking up, which Turkey has so far succeeded in doing.
Recently the Syrian government has advanced to the south but is not actually advancing on Al-Bab itself.
you can see a more detailed map here; syria.liveuamap.com/

Could the Kurds swap land in the south of Rojava with Assad to build a detour around the Turkish held areas and connect the cantons?

What's the MLKP training like? Do they recruit abroad like the IFB?

Some have speculated that SDF could break the siege of Deir Ezzor in exchange for de facto linking the cantons as you've said.

I don't think they'll be giving any land or cities to Assad though.

It's not even really like that. They just have "silent" agreements with them in various cases like all the other groups in Syria, which is understandable. Assad is still a piece of shit. There's no contradiction there. This article refuting Roy Gutman's recent piece says it well:

Ivana Hoffman, a young German girl, joined the MLKP (and ended up dying in Manbij). So I'd assume they have some sort of volunteer system.

Don't know what MLKP's training is like but I'd imagine it'd be closely coordinated with PKK training.

Phil: "N-n-ninety-nine% is totally a legitimate election result"

Rest in peace, Albanian grandpa.

RIP

Every each one of them worth more than 1000 jashes that call themselves Kurd.

What's that

Bump

It's what Kurds call traitor Kurds

I've seen Barzani get called it a lot

Basically Quisling

Hoffman died in Tal Tamir not Manbij.

Actually Jordan Matson who came to Rojava after trying to kill himself because Obama was elected in 08 and was turned into a Bernie SocDem from I read from his reddit posts

I was reading some /k/ archives on desuarchive.org a few days about some /k/tards who lied that they were leftists to get in so there might be one or two right-wingers who sneak in


Kalashnikov and joined us, introducing
himself as Tommy Mørck. He was in his
thirties and had why? tattooed across the
four knuckles of one hand. He grew up in
an unstable home and spent his twenties
on the move, living in different countries,
attending various universities, working
unrelated jobs. “I never could find anything
that could stick,” he said. “Not people, not occupations, not places.” He was
diagnosed with bipolar disorder and suffered
from heavy depression until the day
he realized that there was nothing wrong
with his mind; it was the modern world
that was sick.

you made a slip there, it's supposed to be "The tree of anti-revisionism and imperialism" kek

rojavareport.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/karker-heval-the-life-of-a-revolutionary-and-internationalist-martyred-in-kobane/

Will definitely give it a read. I was actually born in Denmark myself.

check this out lmao

man this whole drawing dicks everywhere thing is getting way out of hand

it's a middle finger, not a dick

it's a great metaphor for how ISIS is flipping the Turks the bird

What the fuck Erdogan, you son of a bitch.

at least everyone knew it was coming

Erdogan is such an autist. Anyway turks will get BTFO in that case. ISIS are defending Qabasin, Bzaa and Al Bab and destroying Turks with only a few hundred fighters. A defense of Al Bab will consist of a few thousand locals and YPG units, all experienced in urban warfare.

Phil Greaves' twitter is always fucking hilarious

you should've seen it after SAA fully captured Aleppo, he was almost in tears of joy

he even said that the ghost of fidel castro flew over Aleppo to grant SAA victory or some shit lmao

that fucking feel

NEVER EVER

topkek

I mean, he's kinda worrisome. One of these days, he's gonna get someone hurt with his dumbass doxing.

/ourgirl/ confirmed?

A revisionist counter-revolutionary Trotskyist was teaching a class on Bookchin, known revisionist
“Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Bookchin and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Karl Marx!”
At this moment, a Ba'athist Marxist-Leninist armchair theorist who had won 1500 twitter debates and understood the necessity of anti-imperialism and fully supported all military decision made Assad stood up and held up a map of the Middle East.
“Where can Rojava be seen on this map? It only says Syria.”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “The Assad regime terrorizes even cartographers. Long live Rojava.”
“Wrong. It’s been almost 6 years since the civil war started. If 'The Assad regime' AKA the Syrian government was massacring its own people, as you say… then he would've been denounced already by everyone.”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of The Next Revolution. He stormed out of the room crying those revisionist Zionist tears.
The students applauded and all supported Assad in his fight against western imperialism that day and accepted Stalin as the last real leader of the Soviet Union. An eagle named “Marxism-Leninism” flew into the room and perched atop the Syrian flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The Syrian national anthem was sung multiple times, and the ghost of Fidel Castro himself showed up and taught the students the value of 'socialism in one country'.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died when the Mossad backstabbed him for not serving them well enough and was tossed into the Euphrates.

The young man's name? Phil Greaves.

10/10

10/10 nice OC

Who do i need to contact to volunteer for the YPG again? There is so many organizations on facebook it is confusing. I am from a third world nation and not FBI btw. I'm thinking that if pisspig could do it so can i.

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/contact-to-us/

This is the official one fam. Forget about Facebook.

Jesus Christ, my heart.

I actually enjoyed this quite a lot.

Links to three Ocalan books: "Democratic Nation", "The Roadmap to Negotiations" and "Liberating Life: Women's Revolution".

Sweet, three new books for the archive

you know pisspig is a bit of a retard for giving anti YPG fucks the ammunition to attack em even further with his ironic shit

if it were a "stalinist state" it'd actually work out

PPG did literally nothing wrong

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kys my man

B-b-but Phil said he's rich!

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:'(

Ryan Lock's body returned to the UK through Heathrow airport today and a lot of Kurds turned out to salute him.

Phil pls, you're not fooling anyone

what the fuck Jeremy Corbyn follows him

holy shit he actually does. that p fucking weird

wew

Honestly i don't understand tankies' love with Assad. Baathism is basically nepotism, arab nationalism and corruption

HOW FAR DOES THE RABBIT HOLE GO?

t. porky

this is why most people on the left aren't suitable for revolution, they would install a police state over night

pretty weird line of attack even from phil

fucking lol

He's actually insane.
Tankie logic.

Let us build Stalinism together, hevals!

So these memes were totally unironic all along?

RIP

They're attracted to dictators. It's that simple.

I mean, that's the only reason you'd be a fan of Stalin, Assad, and Putin at the same time.

NazBol is the highest stage of development for this sort of idiocy.

twitter.com/warreports/status/823919837491634181

Interesting. We know very little of what Iran thinks of Rojava but that's positive. Both Russian and Assad being positive towards Rojava would mean Bashar having to put away his dream of capturing all of Syria

um

[fapping intensifies]

Dunno why you'd protest Castro but not Lenin.

Castro and Lenin have their flaws but they shouldn't be thought of like Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam etc

What a weird and wonderful time to be alive.

type in "antifa isis" on twitter an s you'll be exposed to the legions of retards who think Antifa are equivalent to ISIS and that they also fight on behalf of them in Syria. Oh and both of them are funded by Soros too.

How can people be that disconnected from reality?

Truly forces one to ponder

Ivana's goodbye letter before leaving for Rojava.

I mean, I'll admit Castro was probably repressive but he was supported by the people. Not sure that can be said for Lenin.

RIP

solidarity…

Now this is very interesting. You wouldn't think Iran would praise socialists. Then again, the people of Iran aren't nearly as on board with Islamism as their government is. Even so, if Iran thinks they can gain from supplying the YPG with weapons, that would boost Rojava's prospects massively. Iran has the most developed defense industry in the Middle East, even more than Israel, Saudi Arabia or Turkey, who despite their large militaries are mostly supplied by the US, whereas Iran builds all its own stuff. If Rojava got its hands on even a handful of self-propelled artillery vehicles, legit tanks or fighter aircraft, the game would be changed dramatically.

This is really bizarre. I swear Iran is fighting the PJAK which is the iranian wing of the PKK?
Also I remember the leader of the PYD criticizing Iran for trying to stop Rojava going to the peace deals or something like that.

PJAK have massively toned down their campaign in Iran specifically to not cause Rojava problems in Syria I think. /u/pkk1978 was saying on Reddit though that PJAK are ready to immediately resume high level operations in Iran if the need comes (ie Iran attacking Rojava).

Yeah I think part of it may in effect be a bribe to get PJAK to shut up and sit down but also in the event of a Syria resolution where Rojava survives a bribe to the hardened YPG soldiers to not come fight for the PJAK.

i doubt the YPJ would be impressed by this but fap fap fap


there are literally hoxhaists training with the PKK and fighting in Syia so yeah

scratch the last one and change it to radar SAMs, like some Kubs, and we're rolling

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omg

SAMs would be nice, and I can understand the desire to go for them instead of jet fighters because jet fighters require a lot more maintenance and fuel. Iran has some pretty nifty anti-aircraft systems, too. They claim they have one that's better than Russia's S300. I doubt they'd be willing to give it to Rojava, though, much like Russia wasn't willing to give its S300s to Iran, which is why Iran started building its own AA systems in the first place.

Artillery and tanks are still a big deal. They require some maintenance, but for tanks it's not so bad if you mostly use them for defense, and artillery shouldn't be getting close enough to be in real danger. If the YPG had real tanks (or somehow figured out how to make their improvised tanks as good as real ones), they could fuck Turkey's shit up right quick and connect the cantons.

If they don't get any other military aircraft though, the YPG should still try to get transport planes or choppers to cart their troops around, and maybe some helicopter gunships or ground attack planes to help them out on the ground.

twitter.com/KomNewsCom/status/833288772225789952

the fuck? why does the turkish gov love ISIS so much?

This type of shit is why the YPG needs heavy armor of some description. Turkey isn't going to stop fucking with them until the Turkish army gets utterly humiliated. There was a news story posted here about how the YPG got a shipment of vehicles from Trump. Somehow I don't think he was paying attention on that one, but really, does he ever?

The pics I saw of them didn't look like much, though. Seemed to be just a few armored cars, probably obsolete hand-me-downs due to get replaced by LTVs. Better than nothing, but full-sized APCs or IFVs would be another thing the YPG should try to get.

Obama had a bill which authorised arming the YPG with heavy weaponry ready to go, all it had to do was get the go ahead by Trump. But he scrapped it (and thus delayed taking Raqqa for months). it's hard to know what'll happen now, but the YPG will not be going near Raqqa without a substantial amount of new munitions and support.

Micheal Flynn was a Turkey shill and was apparently important in shutting down the bill which authorised arming the YPG so maybe things could change with him gone.

Because they give them oil

The US probably won't give the YPG much help. The amount of help the US has given them so far is overstated, and Russia and China probably won't help them either. Ideally Rojava should have its own defense industry, but they're too new to have much in the way of manufacturing. That's why they might consider trying to get Iran to sell them some military materiel. It's a long shot, but it just might be what they need to get some breathing room.

A lot of the Kurds I follow on twitter are saying there's some really awful shit going on in Nusaybin at the moment. Turkey enforces media blackouts and curfews when they're attacking Kurdish towns though so journalism coming out of these regions is very scant unfortunately. Remember when a few Vice journalists got arrested for reporting in the South Eastern Kurdish regions of Turkey?

tankie twitter is so fucking awful, and I say that as someone who likes Stalin

The YPG position at Tall Mahlas is less than 10km away from the outskirts of Raqqa. Pic shows clashes as recent as today between Daesh and YPG/SDF forces. There's still a major pocket to the north of Raqqa.

Siege of Raqqa when?

What is the source of these conflict maps people keep posting?

syriancivilwarmap.com/

my fuckin sides

more maps are provided by al jazeera and southfront.org

They're working on cutting the supply route from Deir Ezzor first. But a siege is inevitable, and SDF like doing em.

Will they also be taking Al-Thawrah before Raqqa in that case?

Shit is doomed yo.
Soon the porky states of america will start supporting the turks. The kurds won't be able to deal with it.

Trotsky warned you dog
The revolution has to be international man

Defeatist shills GTFO

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I'm not entirely sure. Apparently SAA really want it too. They tried last year for it and ISIS massacred em.

Rip based Serb bro
Tito is waiting

:')

Iran won't as long as PJAK is still active, Russia is the most likely patron tbh but it would have to come with some concessions to Assad

What's the context of this quote?

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can someone explain the Turkish strategy of continually shelling SDF towns without any ground fighting to take them? What are they trying to do, wrecking some homes and killing a few people?

youtube.com/watch?v=oSjOhdb0WHg
Martyred in action during the liberation of Manbij just six weeks after this was taken
RIP comrade

what even is ISIS's strategy at this point? the apocalypse has been delayed. isn't this the time when they should start looking towards a treaty of surrender?

It serves no military purpose other than to disrupt normal life and scare and kill civilians. They do it pretty much every time they take a beating off ISIS too, so it's like a sadistic way of letting off steam.

They often target rebuilding efforts in Kobani and Manbij also.

For me it's a pretty classic definition of terrorism. But because it's by a state actor, it's not seen as such.

Intelligent people don't join ISIS and intelligent people don't post on Holla Forums

They don't have a strategy besides zerg rush whoever boss Saudi says they should

Whatevers yous says baws

death to turks.

Its a general slogan common among the Kurds, reffering to the fact that they have been betrayed again and again by various factions throughout history but in the end the mountains allways offered them protection.

Yes.


Turkey is literally a terrorist state.

there needs to be some intelligent people to coordinate a jihad of like 200,000 fighters.
regardless, what is the Saudi strategy right now then? it's expensive shit to just tie up a couple militaries for years and not make any progress.

ISIS are currently losing their biggest city (Mosul) and their capital (Raqqa) is currently being encircled and later on it too will be captured. Their caliphate is shrinking rapidly and within about two years ISIS as we know it will be gone. But they'll likely continue as they existed before the Syrian Civil War, as a smaller insurgent group, waiting for the next power vacuum to take advantage of.

ISIS were always gonna get fucked. Their fighters will welcome the apocalyptic battles they have left though. I mean ISIS' car bomb volunteer list exceeds the amount of cars they have, and ISIS fighters often fight over who gets to car bomb themselves. These guys are cut from a different cloth.

There are none in the Jihad, there are everywhere in Saudi Arabia who just want some $$$

You're a fucking idiot, start reading

how does Saudi Arabia make $$$ funding a war that IS can't win?

Apparently a lot of the Baathist leadership joined ISIS when it was in its blooming period. Strange considering Baathism was supposed to be secular but apparently these guys found their religion again.

The point isn't winning dipshit. Did the Taliban win? Did Al Qaeda win? What ever won? That's not the bloody point.

Read some god damn books, stop posting, realize what's going on, come back and post.

What's the point then, faggot? Stop sperging and build a fucking argument.

Everyone on this thread is on the same page except for you.

Don't speak for me faggot. You're the only that doesn't seem to be on page here.

Yes, everyone. Everyone understands what Saudi Arabia and America are doing except for you. I doubt there's more than one of you.

news.trust.org/item/20170217150010-dqsyg/

I think the PKK and YPG/J's liberation of Sinjar and stopping of the Yazidi genocide will go down as the most heroic act of the current period of war in the Middle East.

You mean it should, but it probably won't.

stop sperging out so hard, bucko. Maybe the chapo thread would be a better fit for you.

But you're the same person.

I didn't know Salafists ascribed to Justin Trudeau's military strategy.

I am not the guy you were replying to, dipshit

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What are you even saying?


Yes you are.


Wrong.

Read some god damn books, stop posting, realize what's going on, come back and post.

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stop posting, realize what's going on, come back and post.

I have though. You haven't.

stop the pedantic autism pls

I FOUND PRICKLY!

youtube.com/channel/UC1rD3GiGS1ewrCOKiBZLbGA/videos

Hilarious channel trolling turkroaches


Warms my heart.


RIP heval

Oh, they understand it. They just don't care.

anyone know what the entry requirements for groups wanting to join SDF are? Would be interesting to see the inner workings. I remember Jaysh al Thuwar asked the Free Idlib Army to join and it got me wondering. Also after the fall of Aleppo lots of rebels started asking to join SDF too.

I don't think there's anybody here with that knowledge.
I'd imagine that they'd have to accept democratic federalism + other tenants?

Force a confrontation to try to get the USA declare the YPG as terrorists, probably.

>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who shill 24/7 for Pisspig/Chapo/Rojava

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No thank you

I am good

youtube.com/watch?v=Bhzy9YABMmI

Can any of you leftcoms actually, like, give an overview of your theory, and defend it to us? I've never seen an argument or explanation from any of you on here.

Is it literally a meme flag?

hahahahahahahahaha

brb buying ticket to erbil

nobody has sex or masturbation is forbidden, against the law, 100% strong

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are you serious?
its a literal INCEL commune?

900% serious

Fighters are forbidden from sexual activity, civilians aren't.

That channel is on some next level satire.

It's an abstract kind of meme.

Where did you get that political spectrum mate

filteries.com/politics

Remember to mouse over the budget pie chart. Dark blue is the deficit. If you deficit spend, I will know.

simulating ancapistan was fun

Oh, I come from a land in a faraway place
Where nobody's allowed to fap
It's a serious offense, and you'll pay recompense
Oppressive, yes? But hey, war's crap
When your seed and your might
Must be saved for the fight
So we can send Daesh back to Hell
Enlist now, join the club
Take this gun, hide that chub
Just another Kurdistani night

KURDISTAANI NIIIIIIIIGHTS
WE CAN SEE IN THE DAAAAAAARK
AND IF YOU GET CAUGHT
YOUR DICK GETS CUT OFF
BY THE SEX COMMISSAAAAAAAAR

See this thread: . I'm one of the leftcoms defending the principle of critiquing the so called Rojava revolution, and I also explain some things about the left of communism (better dubbed ultra left today) ITT.

just popping in this thread to say that i appreciate your efforts posts

No Volcel
It's what makes them such powerful warriors they waste none of their essence

volcels are often deluded people whom are actually incels

But when you practice no fap and commit to being Volcel then since you're not expelling your liquids you have a higher center of gravity and can fire more accurately

This. It's all about keeping your precious bodily fluids pure

We should institute mandatory nofap worldwide

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Very few people are incel, almost all incels are just volcels with emotional problems.

by definition, you are only a volcel if within the past 6 months you have had a willing vagina in front of you and went "nah, im not doing this right now tbh"

I've had multiple willing women partners in front of me literally asking me what I'm doing later that night and refused because I want leftist cutie semi-trad gf not fuckdate. I'm not virgin and don't need sex to feel like a man anymore. Ergo I am volcel. Most of my friends who are "incel" have gotten lots of puss in the past but are again emotionally damaged/deactivated and would rather get high and play vidya than go to the bar.

Incel is someone who is literally so autistic they can't function and/or is so repulsive no fat ugly woman would fuck them. This is less than 1% of sexually inactive men. Most of whom could easily get fat gf's if they had trash standards.

The left's tendency to shame men for their sexual activity levels is a hangover from HS dominance hierarchies and the gynocratic femmenazi reverse sexism we have all been inculcated in. Please refrain from bullying NEET's and "incel's" they are our friends and are usually highly sensitive and creative people waiting for an opportunity to self express. They are our frands

you are supposed to fug your worldview into women, mate
if they are interested in "out of the ordinary" politics its probably because they had a previous bf who got them interested in it, not being woman hater btw thats just how it usually is.. at least in my eyes
its funny to lightly make fun of incels because many people on political forums are gf-less and use abstract political theory to hide from the dating world
maybe im just projecting though, i hope not

go away red kahina

why are you NOT jerking off to pictures of Kurdish women

i know…it pains me to agree with you. I just feel awkward about installing ideology in other people's heads who I am close with emotionally. I want them to get it, because they get it, not because they want to please me
yes. but we would do well to refrain from using loaded feminist virgin shaming language. Some people take that shit to heart and a lot of anons on here sincerely want to be social/get a gf

How much longer do you guys think the war will go on for? I thought for a while that it might end quite quickly if Trump got in and let the Russians have their way, but that now seems naive.


Is the wait because you want to prepare yourself or just because you have commitments?

These are tough questions. It seems a bit harsh to have to admit to a potentially disqualifying character trait without getting the chance to explain a little about it.


There's a waiting list?


I'm willing to bet that you'd be a lot better at those things if you were put into a situation where they were necessary.

Both. One of the other comrades wants to get military training before going so there's that as well.

Beat the anfems with the gay wedge lol

I had heard there was one

I wish I could go, but I'm a sickly motherfucker. Give 'em hell for me, comrade.

You've got time. I would say at least a year. Urban warfare is slow, you need to go room by room. It will take months for the SDF to reach Deer Ez, and then even longer to capture the city. same goes for Raqqa. They're practically at the gates now, but they still need to secure the front, cut off the Euphrates, and make preperations. You have enough time to get your life in order, relocate, get trained, and still see action.

10/10, someone needs to sing this

full version of btw

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Apoism has an incredibly heavy and unique feminist focus. Women are equal to men in every single regard. However, kurdish culture has some conservative elements. So Apo basically had to enforce a no-fuck rule. With this rule families would allow/be cool with their daughters joining. It allows the fighters to focus on nothing but war. It also negates potential drama between fighters, not to mention all the amazing ypj fighters wouldn't become preg.
I think mastubation is cool tho. Like, no one is going point an AK at you if you want to rub one out.


It's incredible.


lmao


Dope. I am graduating HS in some months. After that I'll either be conscripted or voluntarily join my nations army for basic training (if I don't get rejected). Should I email ypg-international before or after I've gotten out of basic? I really don't want to go in 2018 when I am 19, because I feel it would be kinda late.


lmaooo

youtube.com/watch?v=IlZ1IQzb_ig&list=RDMMcx9ocbt5SKE&index=14

this will boost Phil Greaves ego

The problem with you leftcoms is that you guys think you are smart. You are not. I havent read a single comprehensive critique of Rojava from the leftcom side, or from the ML side. They allways engage in buzzword critique(muh national liberation) and add a few picked "facts".

Leftcoms, Turks, and some Apo worshipping Kurds are the only people that have this incredible naive perspective on Rojava. You guys think that you are able to look through the misinformation and do a detailed critique. Even tankies and anarkiddies are smart enough to engage in support or critique on a fundamental level. Leftcoms engage in an uninformed solely ideological motivated fight against uninformed solely ideological supporters.

The actual situation in Rojava is fucking complicated and totally critique worthy, which happens constantly. Just that the critique happens from people that are actually there or atleast know what they are talking about and are smart enough to judge how much they know. Not by linking stupid polemics from 2014 and thinking you engage in anything noteworthy. If you gonna do a critique do one that is honest about your level of knowledge and your intention. Critique the translated and written down ideology(that should be a fruitful endavour), critique the style of support in the west, critique the long term value of Rojava for the left. But dont fucking think you know what happens on the ground, dont think you can understand Syria or Rojava. Dont think you can dismiss it because you read the outdated social contract, or by qouting some individuals. Dont fall in the trap of picking your facts because everything is propaganda. There is indeed a lot of propaganda bu you have no way of even guessing what is and what isnt without following the events closely and having atleast a few contacts on the ground. Rojava is not monolithic, its not predictable, its not simple and its not documented.

This interview is fairly good as its clear about the issues and projects: weareplanc.org/blog/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-our-member-in-rojava/ Read it.

But then realise that this is only a tiny snapshot of a wider movement. Afrin is far ahead in communal economics according to some sources. Sheikh Masqood is claimed to be a hive of direct democracy in action, far more developed than in other areas. The academy system is an important part and described by some as rather revolutionary, but completely ignored by most reporting, or described in simplistic glowing terms. Can you explain the role of the independent movements in the wider struggle? Can you describe the internal ideological debates which happen? What about the HPC? People told me its active everywhere but at the same time the commune structure is not everywhere, how does that work. There are critiques about the communes in the city but no one has reported about the village communes. A critique base on pure ideological general judgements is nice, but without going into the details it can only act as a guideline and wont help with any actual learning. It can even obfuscate valuable lessons.

And at last, people that go to Rojava are often the people voicing the most detailed and valuable critiques, they are actually learning an helping the left as a whole to move forward. People like you that engage in badly informed shadow fights with people whose solidarity consists in shitposting on the internet while claiming to move forward the left ideologically through critique are sad jokes.

Leftcoms on here don't actually read theory, they're a joke. Whenever I see them talk about Marx for example it's so painfully obvious they haven't read past vol. 1 at best.

you I think some of the Assad loving Syrians on twitter hide their genuine hatred for Kurds behind this "they're NATO proxies".

peel that back a few layers and you can often see these same people saying Kurds aren't Syrians and basically voicing approval at Assad rendering them stateless and never giving them citizenship

quite nasty tbh

Arab nationalism in action, they still think that Kurds are imigrants who should be happy that they are allowed to live at all.

thenational.ae/opinion/comment/why-the-us-should-rethink-its-anti-isil-syria-strategy#page2

why are "Middle East expert" warhawk journos so fucking retarded

this idiot has no idea how the Raqqa operation is being planned, or how many Raqqa rebel groups and Raqqa natives are taking part in the offensive.

to the trashcan, double Hassan is a subtle kurdish hater cuck

I like you both. It's nice to talk about sex without bitterness

It doesn't even make sense, considering most Kurdish civilians are Sunni.

10/10

See:

Very good post smashing the leftcoms that don't do actually do any meaningful critique. That interview is also very good (read it before), and is worth the time even though it's sorta long.

are you from the middle east comrade

Nah. But I do support the efforts of Rojava.

NOBODY CAN HUMILIATE TURKISH ARMY ! TURKEY IS IN TOP 5 ARMY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD… WAKE UP STIPIDS… WHO THE FUCK IS ISIS ? YOU MAKE ME LAUGH :) ISIS IS FUCKED UP …. GREAT TURKISH ARMY FUCKED UP ISIS… AND COMING MORE… WAIT ISIS BITCHES…. CONGRATS TURKISH ARMY…

Turkey is testing the waters with these attacks. SDF starting to get sick of it and firing back, which I think is a good thing.

Another typical day for me in t*rkey

Can someone give me context, what exactly does this mean?
Was she referring to federalization of Syria, and is this as the rumors have speculated the end of the Rojavan experiment? Are there any other resources to follow giving me updates on negotiations between the PYD and the Syrian Government? How much is Russia involved? Thanks in advance.

Turks will still proudly proclaim that Kurds aren't oppressed anymore.

kurdistan24.net/en/news/a3516d0e-af11-4d2f-91d9-56a6ea758abb/Federalism-is-only-solution-for-Syrian-crisis--PYD-co-chair

forgot article

First advancement from SDF Efrin in a while

Source? Because that would be a massive humiliarion for Turkey

PYDs dream solution would be a federated Syria that is DemConFed compatible its unlikely though. Russia has been he main actor that brought together Rojavan delegations and low level gov delegations for first talks. Russia also made proposals for new constitutions that include a federal northern Syria. Gov is not enthusiastic and has said nothing concrete, and flat out rejected the russian proposals.

twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/833780662582726657


twitter.com/SyrianMilitary/status/833783239055642626

Would be crazy if SDF made a push for uniting the cantons again.

hm, I will wait for confirmation by Kurdish sources. Not that Ridha is bad but on SDF issues hes not allways correct.

from Rodi Khalil, a decent Kurdish source:

francetvinfo.fr/monde/proche-orient/offensive-jihadiste-en-irak/document-france-2-syrie-en-premiere-ligne-dans-la-bataille-de-raqqa-contre-l-etat-islamique_2064999.html

good doc following a french volunteer during the Raqqa campaign

It's unfortunately in French though

Nice, paranoia among them is great.

twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/833816832326922240

jihadist rebels refer to YPG as "militias of atheism" lmao

WE MILITANT ATHIESISM NOW LADS

I wish, I think they're too cucked to leave Islam

To be fair, an atheist political system does not make sense outside of post-enlightenment Europe.

About half of the YPG members are not muslim, more like agnostics/not retarded atheists according to most foreign volunteers.

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5v8v80/comment/de0eyeq?st=1Z141Z3&sh=d30f777d

Very illuminating comment about MLKP's relationship with the PKK and their work in Rojava.

It's a good thread in general. Both pkk1978 (PKK and YPG fighter) and dodo91 (HDP activist) have some very interesting posts in it

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5v834g/france_document_sdf_fighters_raqqa_region/de0ecsq/?context=3 another very interesting comment thread by him explaining why the YPG has good commanders and why children join them and the PKK and what happens with them.

In general pkk1978 is worthwhile to follow, he has an interesting perspective and is the only open, english speaking, long term party member i know off on social media. He isnt perfect though, he isnt super educated on ideology and sometimes gets things wrong.

Yüksekdağ is jailed since 4 Nov 2016.
HDP is being systematically destroyed and it's very sad that there's no one there to condemn Turkey for it. The third largest party in Turkey and the only voice for leftists and Kurds, and it's pretty much gone.

Are there any ways I can support Rojava from the comfort of my competition chair without flying to Syria?

Raise money, learn Kurdish and translate stuff. There is nothing wrong though with just seeing it as an oppertunity to learn how socialist practice can look like.

BIJI ROJAVA ::::DDDDDD

Learning Kurdish to that level, without being among Kurds, would take a very long time. The whole thing would probably be over by the time he managed it.

What's up with this? Is the site legit?
rojavaplan.com/join.html

sort of.

ye, thanks to Barzani jash

Rojava Plan did some fantastic work and were looking to recruit people from the civilians side of things who could help build society in Rojava (e.g. builders, teachers, artists, programmers etc). Unfortunately that is legit though and they've had to temporarily shut down because border issues. The border seems to be never fully closed though and YPG international can get you across, but that's for fighting.

So you can only get in if you sign up for a combat role?

If true, supply route between Deir Ezzor and Raqqa now cut. Lightning advances from SDF.

twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/833795864220962816

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Understanding the kurdish resistance
crimethinc.com/2015/09/23/feature-understanding-the-kurdish-resistance-historical-overview-eyewitness-report
Worth the read

Turks haven't even taken Al Bab, where a rag tag group of 100 ISIS fighters keeps them out for months.

What makes them think they will be able to take Efrin and Manbij? Especially considering all those weapons and armor the Kurds got recently?

They simply will not be able to unless they hugely escalate the Turkish Army presence in Euphrates Shield.

Every single time rebels have ever attacked Afrin they've gotten massacred

ISIS are probably really enjoying Al Bab. They're in complete control, to the point where they're letting ES advance in some areas in order to kick the shit of them on the counter.

The Al-Bab offensive is just staged (imho)
Turkey is a known ally of ISIS, so it's not surprising that their attacks on ISIS are jokes.

Rojava is a project meant to be doomed, let's all be real. Turkey is just to strong.

Turkey is not the only power in the region. It may be in the interests of another power to keep Turkey at bay.

kys

there is NO brakes on the SDF train

The envelopment strategy seems to have blessed the Wrath of the Euphrates campaign.

boulderweekly.com/news/born-dead/

Here's a touching obituary to him which describes his time in Syria and the process leading up to it

fuck dude, war is hell
fuck isis

youtube.com/watch?v=GiwYVL5J5bI

Here's the documentary Radio Kobani, with english subs. some good lads over on /r/scw did the english subs today.

Has anybody got that pic of a female kurdish fighter standing in the entrance of a cave shaped like Kurdistan, with a view of a mountain range?

t. mehmet özturk

youtube.com/watch?v=cbvhL7l1SsI

30 min gopro footage from American YPG fighter from clashes with regime in Qamishlo. Just recently released.

youtube.com/watch?v=2EnWzbQ-qok

Documentary about young YPJ fighters in training.

this is my favorite documentary about Rojava and it really gets to the heart of the YPJ without being sensationalist or making it sexual

I get that this is a chan and all, but please don't joke about that.

This reminds me, is there any article or even just tweets or whatever about how SDF/YPG treats prisoners?

voanews.com/a/syria-kurds-prisons/2976077.html

they often invite human rights groups and stuff over to get criticisms on their prisons so they can improve them. they try their utmost to keep to the geneva conventions in regards to prisoner treatment.


they really don't like putting people into prison though and most cases are solved on a council level before they're ever brought before a judge (which is only for large cases, like a murderer or rapist).

Jordan Mactaggart can be seen in this vid multiple times, around 18:20 for examples

I should have specified "prisoners of war". But interesting link nonetheless.

I think that's the fighting in Qamişlo‎ when the Syrian government and the SDF duked it out.

Source with explanation of whats going on in the video:
combatnarcotic.blogspot.de/2017/02/fighting-fascist-conscripts-in-qamishlo.html

combatnarcotic.blogspot.de/2016/12/war-is-drug-part-six-qamishlo.html

Seeing how young they are really puts into perspective how young most soldiers off. When you see an 18 year old boy join the military, you don't think anything of it, it's only when you see an 18 year old girl join that it really puts into perspective how young 18 really is.

That's a good documentary, thanks comrade.

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I hate these personality questions. A military force should want someone who can pick up a rifle and kill a bunch of ISIS fighters with no remorse; not someone who will sit down and braid a persons hair.
Like who cares if "I feel depressed alot" or "If I frequently switch between feelings of high self-worth and self-disappiontment"?

They need an idea of what someone's personality is since that person is going to be constantly surrounded by and working with others. A soldier is useless if he does not work well with his teammates.

I know that, however I don't see what my self-worth or whether or not I want to kill myself after a breakup or me self-harming and dressing to get attention from people, or a need to always be in a relationship have got to do with being an effective solider.

Plus I can still work with people. I don't have any friends at school but I can still get on with people if I have to. Its just these questions are designed to turn people away for no reason tbh.

Same poster as

Most of those question is to root out mentally ill/distrubed people.

These questions, for an example, are supposed to screen depressed people and people with bipolar disorder or something.
You might understand that they don't want someone who's not mentally fit for combat. In that same vein, they probably don't want you because your logical deduction is straight shit, son.

kys

made my day but needs an update with turkish forces and a list of airstrikes by russia, us, france, saudi-arabia, qatar, jordan, uk, uae, bahrain, canada and the half dozen others.

Good documentary, I am about half-way through. Thanks.

It really shows the hypocrisy of the west to be allied to literal fascists

I think that's just because you're not used to seeing women fighting. An 18 year old girl is basically a woman, and looks it, whereas an 18 year old boy is very much a boy.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia and all the Islamist fucks are on suicide watch because the SDF are gonna take Raqqa

Is the \YPG ready to fight the SAA if not granted Autonomy ?

The C.N.T and the internationale brigade wouldn't have asked these questions when fighting franco,they would ask:

I don't see why I or anyone should be turned away because some random test says I have depression or bipolar disorder.


I didn't make this I found it and thought someone would appreciate it. But I'm glad it made your day.

Dont be mad, they just had some bad experiences with insane people that hurt their image and make the locals weirded out. You can allways lie on the questions and anyway they wont look for the perfect man. They have accepted a lot of people that didnt answer these questions perfectly.

i'd assume if they can't get along with assad then erdogan will wardec them.

If Erdogan declares war on Rojava and fully invades there'll be a Kurdish uprising like never before. And PKK will activate sleeper cells who'll start killing AKP politicians left, right and center.

Y'all need to post shit

youtube.com/watch?v=fKhjJfH0ra4

US, as we very well know, are not a dependable ally in the slightest.

twitter.com/arabthomness/status/834497810607271941

Jesus christ al bab is totally fucked. Eternal t*rk done it again like Bakur.

To what extent is Rojava socialist or revolutionary? What are its flaws?

I got into an arguement about the personality section with a friend and they said I was "mentally unstable" and that they wouldn't trust me with a rifle. I'm just gonna list whats wrong with me.
Heres what i have:
-Aspergers
- Slight anger issues
- diagnosised with depression twice
-Addictive personality

Would you guys trust me with a rifle, Holla Forums ?

As someone in the military I'll tell you that if you think that individual ability and willingness to fight is what matters most, then you have no idea what fighting is all about.
Fighting in the military is EXACTLY about trusting your comrades and being able to coordinate as a group. The group that coordinates the better wins. I'd take a group of well-drilled sheep-herders who know almost nothing about guns, over some group of anti-social right libertarians who have used guns all their lives.

For this exact reason, you want to weed out anti-social people for the same reason you wouldn't want to send faulty weapons to the front.

Wrong flag

The depression thing there is the most worrysome.
I'd have to ask you more questions about your background and evaluate you more closely before making the call.

Those are severe anger issues, comrade.


I don't have military experience but I've heard many times from those who do that camaraderie is the main thing that stops soldiers from giving in to depression or fear.

A miltiary squad is just like co-workers. They work together during a battle or garrison job and then they can go their separate ways until the next one


Due to bullying and abuse. I also have some trust issuse. In the arguement I said I would proving my stability by answering the question I answer 9 out of the first 12 with a 'yes'.


They were totally proportional at the time

Not really. Do you care enough about your co-workers to risk your life for them? Do you trust them to risk their lives for you? That's how strong the bonds need to be in a combat unit.

That's crazy, man. You can't physically attack someone over a video game.

PKK imagery is fucking beautiful. Syria and the YPG can't compete in that regard, what with all the arid desert.

I didn't attack him over the game. The game I threw the controller on the sofa he was on and shouted "how the fuck?"
I tried to strangle him on a different occasion

Oh right, OK lol. That's different. What provoked you into the strangling and acid-throwing? It's still pretty serious no matter the cause.

It wasn't even actual battery acid, it was the black shit inside lithium batteries. He was constantly making fun of me the whole night and me trying to strangle him was because he was continually making fun of me on a different day and he accidentally touched a sensitive nerve and I got quiet and want him to reassure me I was a "good friend".

I don't know man, that sounds understandable but it's the sort of thing that can't be allowed to happen in a warzone. Might you have shot him if you'd been armed? It doesn't sound like he's a very good friend.

It's despicable how imperialist powers are playing with Rojava. Now Russia is pretending to give a shit just to oppose the U.S?


Apoism has its roots in ML and Bookchin. It's the most important revolutionary struggle since Spain. So, yeah, it's very revolutionary. Assad willfully underdeveloped the kurdish areas so there isn't any big industry there, this has lead to a less socialist emphasis on the revolution. Don't get it wrong, Rojava and Apo are explicitly anti-capitalist, but there is still some private ownership even though some sectors have been collectivized.

Literally none unless you are a retarded tankie or a puritan anarchist. It's an sincere ecological, feminist, anti-capitalist, decentralized, tolerant, direct-democratic movement.


Post more!

weareplanc.org/blog/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-our-member-in-rojava/

Read this. The most we can expect out of Rojava in the middle term is a direct democratic commune based cooperative market system with highly progressive values that still retains local identities and social fabric. With maybe some parts of the economy outside of the market. I also doubt they will get rid of the parallel parliamentary party structure completely. Also even in the best case they wont be able to destroy tribalism completely, maybe slowly undermine it.

I think thats a lot, and can offer the left a valuable case studies of how to organise till wider revolution occurs and can have a radiating effect that disproves that the current politics are the only option. It will still be capitalist and subject to the whims of the international market though. It wont be free of hierachy and domination, but it may have institutions that are able to develop towards a more free society(I think most current state institutions are structure in a way that forces them towards constantly more centralisation).

For the locals the experience and participation in democratic collective institutions will imo be one that might sow the ground for more radical ideas that want to develop that system further towards socialism making an organic development possible(in contrast to ML ideas). It also might be able to entrench democracy in a region that never experienced it before.

If Öcalan was right the absolute jackpot could be triggering a wider movement in the middle east that kinda resembles the enlightment.

tl;dr: Best case: democratic market socialism

He is a good friend considering hes put up with all this tbh

You're ruining the thread, you deranged aspie. Gtfo

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m8, I'm a supporter of Rojava, but there's definitely flaws, and improvement is still being done. See:
Unless you're talking about theory as opposed to praxis, in which case, carry on.

good post. It's a shame that there's no other leftist groups (outside Turkey) in the region that YPG can link in with and trade ideas with and accelerate the spread of such ideas. We need a 70's type revival when the PLO and PKK and a whole host of different leftists orgs from all around the world used to help each other out.

pic related, Apo in a Lebanese PLO training camp back in the day.

I was, comrade.

P.L.O. style! Hazardous
'cause I wreck this dangerous

youtube.com/watch?v=9mT0wPgyo84

sounds good to me

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Forgot to talk about flaws.

Flaws is highly subjective depending from what direction you start your criticism and how much you excuse with wartimes and underdeveloped backwater agrarian middle east desert culture.

Also on your position towards violence and oppertunism and pragmatism(all of which the PKK embodies). The personal cult around Öcalan is also pretty weird and its actual influence is unclear.
Due to the ideological background of the PKK, Bookchin and the somewhat vague writings of Öcalan both tankies and anarkiddies see their ideas embodied there and also start their criticism from different directions.

Personally as someone ideals more rooted in anarchism and ideology mostly rooted in Bookchin my criticism mostly circles around the top heavy organisation, to complicated commune and council system that inhibit participation, taxes,how conscription is enforced, problems that exist in the economic sector(like coops that still employ people, not enough focus on involving the communes into the economy, altough they started a campaign to adress that issue), weird historical understanding, their essentialist feminism, weird tankie traditions that still stem over from older days(public self criticism and to much denial of the individual) and some other stuff like occasional voices that seem to favour socdemism. None of this is a dealbreaker for me though.


I really hope with better english language education and more long term involvement of international volunteers the ideological discourse in Rojava can reach higher levels(and the death of Öcalan and less PKK cadre in leading positions),


Bookchin > Öcalan imo, Öcalan is to full of himself and lacks the anarchist perspective and seems to be more open towards spooks(which might be necessary in the middle east though, who am I to judge)

I really hope they can develop parts of their economy to be independent of markets. They allready have some destribution coops iirc that only mediate between coops. With more direct controll of the communes over their coops a needs guided managed economy could emerge.

a Keynesian program has shown itself to be rather effective of stabilizing markets, the only real problem is preventing the reforms from being undone, which is entirely possible in a political economy where money has severely limited political power and individual capital accumulation is similarly limited, like in market socialism.

Competition and a falling rate of profit can be a good thing to if they are done within a framework where it leads to automation and then a transition away from market distribution and for profit production.

I really doubt that decentralised democratic management of the economy can work in the presence of profit long term. With some central power it might work a bit better but then we have an institution that will undermine the decentralisation in the name of higher economic efficiency.

There's an interview with Janet Biehl (Bookchin's partner) on Rojava's economy: biehlonbookchin.com/rojavas-threefold-economy/

I haven't read it though

So are you advocating for market socialism as a means to an end, instead of a means unto itself?

Are there serious commies that advocate markets for the longterm outside of mutualists?


Read it allready, a lot of the reporting from the left about Rojavas economy is overly optimistic imo. But I also cant judge how much as there is no accurate information.

cooperativeeconomy.info This website releases news about cooperatives often, but they rarely report about the scale of the whole coop economy and its longterm plans.

of course, I'm not an idiot

Oh ok. In that case, carry on.

I really don't mean to be an asshole, but I'm a little skeptic on your criticism. I am also biased af, so be patient with me.

He is a kurdish national hero. On top of that he founded the PKK and democratic confederalism. Right now he is negotiating peace between the PKK and Turkey. You can't really escape his presence in contemporary kurdish politics, and it's because of this there's a harmless cult of personality atound him.
You probably aready knew this tho.

They're still at war. If those problems persits years after this conflict then you might have a point.

Can you motivate these statements? I don't follow.

I think the cult around Öcalan is mostly harmless, as Öcalan is in prison and doesnt communicate much. I just fear that it develops into east block like devotion, where a single quote by Marx, Lenin or Engels would be the end of any discussion. Essentially creating barriers in thought and hampering serious discussion.

I abhor the practice of self criticism and infront of groups, I think its disrespectful towards the individual and maintains a facade of good behavior but actually can develop into cult like singlemindedness. I dont know how these work in detail and atleast in some reports it seems mostly harmless. In others its described as humiliatory.

His historical theory of the matriach society and its downfall 5000 years ago is taken far to seriously by Apocis as its not really well sourced imo

Öcalans feminism is based around attributing basic character traits to women in general, like: women are kinder, women are more social, women are more cooperative. I think that this approach is wrong and creates new limitations on gender roles.

Just my general impression of his writings, just my personal judgement.

I am very pro-Rojava too, but I try to not loose sight of potential problems so my criticism might appear nitpicky.

Daesh pocket cleared!

noice

I posted a link to a doc about young YPJ fighters in training. In this doc you can see the self-criticism in action. It actually seems to be constructive in the way that it gives your hevals the opportunity to improve an aspect of yourself. Even if it was humiliating more often than not, it can then serve as a type of punishment for mishaps and offenses.


I don't know much about this. But I do agree with Apo when he says that the woman has by far been shat on in human history. As long as he doesn't come up with ideas about thetans then we're cool.

As I understand that kind of feminsim, he wants to completely break down gender roles and how we see each other. I.e, we shouldn't think of women as our sisters, mothers, nor daughters but as absolute equals. This is a far more empowering version of feminism, as opposed to our bougie-led liberal feminism in the west that only focuses on "sexual liberation".

I totally get what you are saying, but tbh that seems to be out of an necessity. Kurdish society is pretty conservative, and that means putting a bigger emphasis on women just to get the womens liberation point across. I don't think this will culminate into something fucked up or anything.

That's still great though. Always questioning and criticising seems to be an inherent point of communalism.

Took them long enough.

You guys still supporting a syndicalist ethno-state backed by imperialist forces? Guess NazBol really starts getting a hold onto Holla Forums

tfw turkish hoxaists are saner than western leninists

Syndicalist? Nazbol?

Jesus, fuck, are a leftcom in disguise, trying to make the smarter tankies of the board commit suicide out of shame?

twitter.com/24Aleppo/status/834720705228963842


Will Turkey ever stop embarrasing itself?

Where?

Yeah, I heard about those rumors. I actually believe it. Turkey is a little humilated by Al-Bab so they just send orders to their lapdogs to retreat. This fake war between Turkey and ISIS would be brilliant if only it wasn't so obvious that they're allied.


Here:

PissPig has seemingly left the YPG proper and joined IFB (more specifically, BOG, or United Freedom Forces, which is a coalition of Turkish, Greek and Spanish ML groups)

Thanks


Can I get a quick rundown on PissPig?

Now that Turkey has taken Al Bab these next few months will decide the future of Rojava and maybe even Kurdistan as a whole. Lets hope for the best comrades.

Haha that poster of Mahir Çayan in the background. Marxspeed you glorious bastards.

where's the difference?

Different units, with different commanders different unit culture probably. IFB also has some more independence in some issues than the standard YPG units afaik.

twitter.com/thomasoz_/status/834809977751613440

this guy is a good source. Who do you think it is? My bet is Russia

Its France according to rumours. Socialists trying to appear strong against ISIS shortly before the election maybe. They can act more freely towards Turkey than Germany.

He's an ironic, ML, ex-heroin addict. He is described as having great humor. He says himself that he'll die soon though :(


The IFB is only made of foreigners.
Does anybody know where the IFB is posted right now?

Good to see nonetheless.

Tabqa next objective for SDF according to Avashin.

They're part of the raqqa op. Check their facebook, they often post updates

I've been wondering for a while what the SAA's plan is. They were racing towards Al Bab a few weeks ago, they got to Tadif and then just stopped trying. I was thinking maybe they were letting Turkey do their job for them and would attack once they cleared out Al Bab, but it still looks like they're not even trying to take Tadif.

Russia obviously have some sort of agreement with Turkey and they told SAA to back the fuck down. So much for that sovereignty.

Yet Russia is being extremely cordial with the SDF and constantly advocating for them…

Fuck, geopolitics really is 66D chess.

Time for Trump to take it to the 67th

He seemed at least somewhat optimistic about making it back alive in the Chapo interview.
I just don't want him to die.

Is this the end of the Rojava project ?

Thanks, bro.


We might see Al-bab as a battleground between SAA and the turks? I really don't know. Another poster told me they want Al-Thawrah, which the YPG is very close to.


How long has he been on the front?

it's the spanish civil war all over again, international press speaks only of the war and denies there's a revolution going on aswell

they cant even do this shit themselves?

Well the SDF is also supported by the U.S. led coalition.

SAA is supported by Russia and Iran.

FSA by Turkey.

Al-Nusra by Saudi-Arabia.

Rebels were also supported by the US for a long time. But as the moderate meme wore off so did US support. The US has produced two policies for Syria. The first one was the train and equipment CIA program to help the rebels overthrow Assad. Later and secondly is the pentagon backed program to destroy ISIS. Sometimes CIA backed rebels and Pentagon backed SDF/YPG have fought each other because American foreign policy is retarded and incoherent

Nothing mathers in this war, Turkey always has the upperhand.

A lot of people thought the goal was to cut off the lines to Al Bab so there was no retreat for ISIS and it'd be as much of a meat grinder as possible for turkey.

Apparently Turkey has been trying to pry away a lot of Arab SDF fighters with higher salaries but pretty much no one left. Cunts.

THANK YOU BASED FRANCE

Spanish boy of fifteen carried down the line on a stretcher, with a dazed white face looking out from among the blankets, and to think of the sleek persons in London and Paris who are writing pamphlets to prove that this boy is a Fascist in disguise. One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting. The P.S.U.C. militiamen whom I knew in the line, the Communists from the International Brigade whom I met from time to time, never called me a Trotskyist or a traitor; they left that kind of thing to the journalists in the rear. The people who wrote pamphlets against us and vilified us in the newspapers all remained safe at home, or at worst in the newspaper offices of Valencia, hundreds of miles from the bullets and the mud. And apart from the libels of the inter-party feud, all the usual war-stuff, the tub-thumping, the heroics, the vilification of the enemy — all these were done, as usual, by people who were not fighting and who in many cases would have run a hundred miles sooner than fight. One of the dreariest effects of this war has been to teach me that the Left-wing press is every bit as spurious and dishonest as that of the Right.

Maybe the frenchman is socialist after all

Orwell too good

His first post from Syria was October 23rd, I believe, so going on four or five months.

Apparently when recruitment standards were still lax, some wackod managed to join up.

There was that guy who was apparently munching on dead IS fighters in the battlefield. Another one literally had brawls with other volunteers and had to be sent back

What the absolute fuck? Do you have a source?

not the guy you're quoting but the cannibal was talked about by PiussPigGrandad when chapo interviewed him

also mentioned in the rolling stone article

An YPG fighter on reddit said he met the cannibal, and described him as "a good man who saved a lot of lives" or something. I can't remember if it was pkk1978 or an international fighter

No.

lmao you got rejected you mega autist

likely for the best

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This.

T*rkey, as a state is unsustainable in long run. Just wait and see famalam.

Turkey

Isn't it weird how Turkey has gone unchecked with passing down a genocidal mentality through the generations.

There's still a shitload of countries that don't recognise the Armenian genocide because of Turkish pressure. It's really fucking mad tbh.

Nation states are scum, but T*rkey really holds grand prize of scummery.

No. Your flag alone says enough, I know you'd shoot me for not being a reformist faggot.

He's actually Nazbol so even worse. Said it in the other thread. Anyway they have turned him down so it's all good really

LEFTYPOL BTFO

ULTRA LEFTISTS BTFO

ANARKIDDIES BTFO

KURDS BTFO

ZIO-MERCS BTFO

HOW WILL WE EVER RECOVER?

What does he mean?

context? is this more tankie twitter autism?

ISIS
IS
ANTI-IMPERIALIST
NAZBOL

uhh I've seen some FSA dweebs call YPG counter revolutionaries, but i'm not entirely sure if that's what he means considering he's a tankie.

and if your revolution is a salafist one, then fam I'm pretty fucking happy to be a counter revolutionary.

Yes. Twitter tankies believe Assad is the democratically elected rightful leader of Syria and the YPG is funded by the US and imperialist influence, trying to take control of Syria.

hardcore "anti-revisionists" adore Assad as an anti-imperialist

They see him as a progressive national bourgeois leader in alliance with the Syrian working class against American/Zionist imperialism

But how do they square their hardcore Marxism-Leninism with the fact that all the Turkish ML parties like the MLKP support Rojava I wonder?

twitter.com/search?q=assad sovereign elected&src=typd

It seems like those dipshits go for what the US government hates more than what is actually prgressive towards socialism. The paranoid side of me thinks they are CIA or FSB plants the normal side of me thinks that they are edgy dipshits.

So an Assad-supporting tankie is calling democratic confederalism crypto-fascist?


Wtf I love Assad now?

I love how tankies have the flags of the most repressive, state capitalistic regimes imagineable in the profiles. E.g.;

twitter.com/RamonMurkader

top tier analysis from a tankie here

twitter.com/forgivenchy/status/537070610242080768

twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=from:eugen_levine dprk&src=typd

i see one tweet from these people and I instinctively know every banal edgy opinion they have

of course he's a strident DPRK advocate

No, I think the theory goes that Kurds are ethnically cleansing Arabs and are hardened separatists too. NATO and Israel supports the YPG separating from Syria because balkanisation will weaken Arab resistance to Zionism. Or something. Anyone who has followed this war will have seen the rank incompetence and corruption of the SAA. I very much doubt a few wheatfields and fairly peripheral cities in Northern Syria would change much in the context of Syrian resistance to Zionism.

Never mind that the US doesn't really back Rojava diplomatically (the Russians help out way more there) or financially (not $1 of US money has been given to aid reconstruction efforts or help Rojava cope with its overwhelming amount of IDPs or help Rojava with its agricultural difficulties or tell Turkey stop its crippling, inhumane embargo). And backing a group whose ideology specifically disavows separatism. It's a helluva shitty effort at nation building if they're trying it.

No, the US's relationship with YPG is purely military, because the rest of the faction in the Syrian Civil War are too distracted and too incompetent to fight ISIS. Denying the agency of the people of Northern Syria who've resiliently toiled and struggled to build a fair and just system and society where they can live without fear of being beheaded or tortured to death in a camp because they don't turn down airstrikes from the US is honestly fucking disgusting.

The people of the SDF and MSD are some of the truest patriots in Syria because they've at every opportunity tried to preserve the wholeness of Syria and try steer Syria on a path that isn't doomed to more war and hatred in the future. Their pleas and efforts are consistently rejected of course, because there's bigger powers at work in Syria than the will of Syrians.


Would like to see the alternative history where YPG got no US airstrikes in Kobani and ISIS continued, unabated to rampage unperturbed through Syria. Would like to see how that alternate history worked out for Assadboos and the SAA.

You just know that ugly bitch doesn't read theory.

and jewish

tankies only read tankie twitter

twitter.com/forgivenchy/status/537070610242080768

Tankie stupidity and idpol trash? Spicy

ahahaha what the fuck is this account
twitter.com/forgivenchy/status/623973446058438657

twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/835196884096532480

twitter.com/worldonalert/status/835198335954870272

twitter.com/Avashin/status/835196203423973387

oh fuck, im acctualy worried now

same.

godspeed SDF.

twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/835161252859113472

Scary
Aslo: Turkish revolution when?

Every leftist with revolutionary potential from Turkey is in Rojava. Pretty much every militant Turkish leftist group has bases and command centres there. There will come a time when all these groups feel confident enough to bring the fight to Turkey. Anything positive in terms of leftist revolution in Turkey will have been incubated in Rojava, make no mistake.

Disgusting.

Where is your US air support now? You are little babies that don't know what they do, despite being told to cut it out.
Delude yourself with further pipedreams, your escapism will find an end in the death in those you dragged into this mindless endevour. Yet again anarkiddies are responsible for another complete failure.

I hope some major power will intervene if Turkey decides to attack Rojava.
Also, an advisor to Trump said that the alliance with Turkey is emphasized when giving him options of what to do in Syria.
Meanwhile, jash Barzani is calling Erdogan "brave". What a fucking joke.

US will grumble and moan but ultimately do nothing, Russia obviously has an agreement with Turkey… that leaves Iran, who I can see having an awful lot of trouble with a permanent FSA/Turkish enclave in Northern Syria.

Realistically, how big a deal is this? Is Turkey going to launch a full-scale invasion?

Has anyone got the text of the YPG International application form? It was posted here a few days ago but like a fool I failed to save it before it got pushed off the thread.

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Thank you very much.

ooohhh boy

twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/835253856221216769

this is gonna be such a fucking senseless loss of life and destruction of the city

SDF purposefully fought house to house to keep as much as Manbij in tact as possible

Turkey will just flatten it

"We'll quit Raqqa and fight in Manbij if Turkey/FSA attacks," YPG officials tell US military, Syria.

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/24-february-exclusivereports-from-military-sources-and-activists

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/24-february-well-quit-raqqa-and-fight-in-manbij-if-turkeyfsa

My money is on that being a roundabout way of telling the US to get Erdogan to cool the fuck down. The coalition can't have them fighting Turkey, not only because Turkey is allied with the coalition, but also because they need the SDF to be able to take Raqqa.

Yup.

twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/835187769064439809

Turkey is definitely one of the countries I could see having a revolution in the near future

DoD is trolling Turkey on twitter rn

twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/835286324911431680

Completely unrelated to Turkey recent announcements they decided to tweet today about how arab locals are getting trained and armed to defend their homeland…

twitter.com/liberationnat/status/835268523513425920

Seems like YPG handed over controll of the Khabour River Villages to local christian units. Thats good news.

I seen that tweet and I immediately thought the same. Surely can't be a coincidence that they start blasting out tweets praising MMC and SDF on a day when Turkey prepares for war.

I'm just asking myself why, if it in intentional. Who runs the twitter, why were they told to post those tweets? Surely there has to be a better way to communicate to Turkey to fuck off than through twitter.

This is really great. The U.S won't jeopardize Rojava. I also enjoyed the huge "fuck you" to Turkey.


These two nations have probably already talked behind closed doors.

Obviously. That's why I don't get the idea behind the tweets. Unless some officer at CENTCOM just wants to be cheeky.

I imagine part of it is if they engage in private talks, turkey talks about it publicly and then the USA DOESN'T talk about it publicly that suggests the USA doesn't really feel THAT strongly.

T
H
R E V O L U T I O N
S A F E

Tfw the burgers safeguard a socialist revolution.

afp.com/en/news/23/top-us-commander-mideast-secret-syria-trip-alliance

t. phil

wtf I hate PKK now

SDF making som great progress. U.S general Votel also visited Kobane, I think. I hope the SDF recieves more shit in the future, France and the U.S has been friendly this year.


Good job.

twitter.com/nomadly00/status/835498085761572866

Ohh baby

What's the source of that? That's ignorant as fuck.

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Any idea what's being sent?

Bye bye Rojava. It was fun as long as it lasted.

defeatist shill

twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/835551131510124544

there's shit like this all over Afrin. their defensive capabilities are amazing.

TURKS CONFIRMED FOR CUCKS

that link is dead, here's live one
yahoo.com/news/top-us-commander-mideast-secret-syria-trip-alliance-201604026.html

can anyone explain what im looking at here?

They chopped down a lot of the forest and built a wall.

ERDOGAN BTFO

Looks like Assad is trying to cut the Turks off too. Why is Turkey such shit at this?

they were supposed to cut off the retreat from Al Bab, but then Turkey negotiated the safe retreat of ISIS from all cities near Al Bab, because Turkey is absolute scum. Now they're all probably gone to reinforce Raqqa.

did anyone else see that Liwa Al Aqsa did a mass execution of 200 rebels in Northern Hama recently? fucking horrific shit.

they're on their way down to Raqqa too, after pledging allegiance to ISIS.

This could potentially be very bad. The YPG needs a compromise with Syria, not more CIA airbases.

Trump campaigned on a compromise with the Syrian gov and Russia, and they're already cooperating on a multitude of issues. Turkey is a whole other issue, as practically everyone in the area hates turkey.

edition.cnn.com/2017/02/08/middleeast/syria-bashar-al-assad-intv/

Assad has also said he welcomes the US's fight against ISIS, and he hopes Trump can offer more practical support. The US has also given up on the rebels and regime change after Aleppo and is solely concentrating on killing ISIS with SDF. They're even been bombing Idlib and targeting Al Qaeda for a while now.

twitter.com/WashingtonPoint/status/835632561820958720

I don't think there's anything to this beyond conjuring up hysteria for the referendum but imagine how hysterical it'd be to have two coups within the space of a year.

TURKISH CIVIL WAR LETS GOOOOO

Seriously, Erdogan is nothing but a liability to literally everyone. If he croaked, there isn't a single world leader that wouldn't breathe a sigh of relief.

warisboring.com/fearing-arrest-kurdish-journalists-hide-in-safe-houses-as-turkish-soldiers-prowl-diyarbakir-f19bd19e1ee1#.p39o2f7yj

Apparently Turkey is deploying jihadi Arab mercs (from where and affiliated to who I dunno) in Bakur. sounds pretty sinister.

L M A O

Huh, apprently no one posted this grill yet. Worth a look.

youtube.com/user/SyrianGirlpartisan

please don't tell me you think Paristan Girl is anything but retarded (but hot)

Frankly I haven't watched any of her videos, but I see she's shitting on Western media's portrayal of Assad and Russia and she supoorts GG to boot, so she seems fine by me.

Shes literally insane and a meme. She larps as an analyst and gets attention because the has tits and is pro-Assad. But she knows nothing and has no contacts to speak off.

This is something a Tankie would say

See tankies, this is what happens when you purge your army

It appears your RSS feed is missing RT.
She was evacuated along with al-Qaida, ISIS and the military officers from half a dozen countries who to the embarrassment of their nations failed to defend east aleppo, and met Erdogan or some high officers the day after.

it was even in MSM:
cnn.com/2016/12/21/middleeast/bana-alabed-erdogan-aleppo/
of course she says whatever their parents get told by the CIA to say. maybe now they work for turkey but there is also convincing theories that erdogan is still a CIA bitch, i don't know much about that though.

Seems like Rojava will have a chance to link up with Afrin in the future. The SAA fascists will fully lock the turkish fascists in the pocket within a week. I mean, I doubt that the FSA is going to concentrate on making a breakthrough to Raqqa through SAA and Daesh lines.

Euphrates Shield forces are attacking SAA held Tadif as we speak apparently. Tiger Forces will absolutely rape them, dunno what they're thinking.

twitter.com/BBC_News42/status/835924974552641540

my sides

Like de Gaulle once said: "i went to the complicated Middle East with simple ideas" and came back saying "It's a fucking mess".

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5w74c1/sdf_news_about_turkey_cutting_water_from_the/

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i'm actually supporting ES here because the more they over extend the more chance they have of being wiped out.

The regime lost around 20 men, and as the poster above me said one tank, even though they repelled the attack. Hopefully these fascists can kill eachother some more. Am I the only one finding it curious that the turks had trouble taking Al-Bab but can somehow wreck regime positions?

I heard it was just a "mistake" from reddit

Yo does anyone have a list of twitter sources for Rojava news?

ES are definitely advancing. I don't think SAA have repelled anything.

ISIS are incredibly good at fighting in cities, absolutely amazing at it. SAA are fucking shit, and are mostly made up of conscripts who don't want to be there. That's why they have a habit of running away when the going gets tough. They're extremely reliant on their elite units like Desert Hawks and Tiger Forces

No doubt, but in recent times Daesh have been retreating left and right from the WoE campaign. This has more to do with Turkey being back-door allied to Daesh.

I mean, they did take control of the 5 biggest cities quite early in the war.

hmmm

hurriyetdailynews.com/chp-questions-activities-of-turkish-defense-company-over-isil-links.aspx?pageID=517&nID=101560&NewsCatID=509

southfront.org/head-of-turkish-private-military-company-key-figure-of-turkish-military-invasion-in-syria/

Nevermind, found this for anyone else interested. Not sure if it's been linked before:

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5pwbnw/rojava_sharing_sources_and_content/

Turkey is trying to unite the whole of Syria against them

Russian jets are targeting ES forces now.

twitter.com/BBC_News42/status/835924974552641540

This is a wet dream for the PKK/YPG coming true.

Iran bby, why don't you give the YPG a batch of ATGMs to defend Syria against the Ottoman hordes :')

Can anybody explain what Turkey is doing? Are they just completely mad and incompetent or did they somehow lose control?

it's hard to ever know what Turkey is doing because Erdogan is playing dimensional chess that mere mortals like us could ever only dream about.

but it appears they can't keep their proxies on a leash, who have started attacking SAA

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warscapes.com/reportage/revolutionaries-bethnahrin

To get a good understanding of Assyrian/Syriac relations and the Syriac Military Council, read this.

The situation is getting weirder and more confusing by the hour.

wow

commieshit logic

Holla Forumstard logic.

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I guess they should just roll over and allow themselves to be destroyed rather than accept help. This is on the same level as 'you can't oppose capitalism because you own an iPhone'.

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Where are these maps coming from?

syria.liveuamap.com/

ty

np

there's also syriancivilwarmap.com/

southfront.org has non-js maps and wikipedia has a really detailed non-js map but idk how up-to-date it is.

Oh wow.
southfront.org/southfront-is-censored-at-wikipedia-org/

Reminds me of this:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Online_reputation_management&oldid=501464860
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Online_reputation_management&redirect=no
That article was taken apart right after it received attention in discussions.

They Live!

It's hypocritical.

Inshallah we will kill all pkk ypg communist scum.

Allahu Ackbar

Death to USA backed SDF.

Go away you whiny little cunt. I wonder what you would do if ISIS were at your doorstep.

Stick by your principles or be a hypocrite.

Just wait in a few days manbij will be flattened.

Ah, yes the famous principle of "it's not about enacting socialist policies, it's about sticking it to the US."

So you would gladly get raped to death by ISIS rather than compromise your principles even a little. Don't you feel a little ashamed to talk shit like this while braver people than yourself are actually having to make these decisions in Syria, and often dying as a result? Armchair warriors like you are real worms.

You're using capitalism to enact socialism?

And ISIS is not the issue here, ypg pkk want to destabilize the middle east with their wars.

What the fuck do you know? I fucking hate western cucks.

eastiest board to troll.

No, dumbass. God you're stupid.

YES YOU ARE

Using capitalist weapons

Capitalist funds

Sell us the rope we'll hang them with etc etc

Truly a jewish ideology. One of the worst creations of Allah. May we kill you dogs inshallah.

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Hello, Ömer Dönkejturk, u brilliant turkroach troll. Hope your arab-mongolian famalam gets killed in an attack by the TAK. By the way, Ataturk was jewish.

t.heval

The cantons have just been de facto connected ;)

Euphrates Shield has essentially been rendered pointless. This is huge.

What

Manbij SDF and Afrin SDF will now have a corridor where they can exchange goods and weapons and SAA in return will be allowed to transit from Damascus to Qamishlo without any trouble from SDF. For years the Idlib rebels abused Afrin's isolation and scammed them for goods. Now Idlib will have to find a new source of revenue.

A new chapter in SDF and SAA relations begins today.

SAA has reached SDF lines and has blocked al-Bab-Manbij road

sauce?

Mind you, it doesn't seem like a great corridor atm. The road connection is still a ways east, and the major road is still blocked by ES. Still great news nonetheless.

I read an AMA from a British volunteer, one of the guys who was featured in the documentary about British YPG volunteers iirc. I'm fairly certain it was him who said that. sounds like cannibalbro lost his mind or something.

Tbh I'm disgusted by the coop with ba'athist dogs. but realpolitik is necessary I guess.

ahahaha
Truly rationally out-logic'ed him there.
Leave and don't come back.

From what I understand, their revolutionary strategy is founded on self-defense, not an offensive against the state itself. This cooperation is not only pragmatic, it's ideological. Their aim is first and foremost to defend the Kurdish homeland, and inspire others to defend their homeland against state oppression in due time.

Yeah, but I doubt the PKK would coop with Erdogan if ISIS was in Turkey. Assad has been equally repressive of the kurds as Erdogan.
Can't wait until we hang these fascist from their feet again.

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Tensions must be mad tho

REMOVE KEBAB

Westerners are so concerned by the spiritual suffering of Daesh. For the millionth time, There is absolutely no reason why being killed by a woman means you wont go to heaven. this is also true for contact with pork products and failure to carry out a suicide mission.

is there any way bougie lil me can support the cause from the safety of my local starbucks?

Guis, the US military just unclasscucked themselves. The Revolution is safe.

Educating & Donating


They're special forces.

when the fuck are the zionists going to let this thread die?

how do i donate

Never. praise Murray Bookchin and Apo.

search ypg international or something idc

ayy SAA cockblocked turks

Thank god for leftists like you supporting our brave boys in the USMC and IDF

t. Önur Uyghit

t. racist Holla Forumstard

What an amazing and eventful day. Turkey got cucked to death today.

Got any proof outside of your imagination that the Israelis and the SDF are working together?

/rojava/ is the best thread on leftypol though

it's been running for like 1000 posts and there's been very minimal shitposting

Bumpin with IFB

t. Phil Greaves

I'm by no means concerned. It's meant to make fun of Daesh. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I wouldn't care if they burned in hell for what they have done.

Manbij SDF advancing for the first time in a long time, and it's a beautiful sight to see.

SAA want Al Khafsa because it's essential to Aleppo's water supply. SDF are gonna take it to have the leverage of connecting the cantons I'm guessing. CivilWarMap also said that there's a degree of SAA and SDF collaboration for Khafsa though so I'm not 100% sure.

bottom line: Turkey and Daesh getting BTFO

hype for a possible Rojava autonomy

I love that Turkey is getting absolutely BTFO and that SDF is in a quasi-alliance with the only power capable of securing their existence, but I hate that that power is a murderous dictatorship. I know that compromises are necessary in war, but it sucks that this compromise includes collaboration with people who they should be fighting if Daesh wasn't around.

Once this war is over and if Rojava is still around, it's likely to control the entire eastern half of Syria. I can't see autonomy for all of that, and autonomy just for Syrian Kurdistan (which would be extremely attractive to both parties) would really fuck over everyone else who fought for the revolution.

Wouldn't worry about this, if anything PYD are dreaming too big and want to transform the whole of Syria, which will complicate negotiations. It seems to me they want their social contract to be accepted by Assad as the new constitution or something, which will never happen, but it's a valiant fight all the same.

I've seen people saying "SDF can give the regime Raqqa or (insert city) in exchange for this and that" but any city or town that wants to be part of the Rojava project (even though it's gone far beyond traditional Kurdish areas) will be accepted and protected.

Maybe the PYD have big ambitions and principles like that, but what about most of the YPG and the general population? Many of them are still Kurdish nationalists who believe they're fighting for Kurdistan. What would happen if they heard there was a deal for an autonomous Kurdistan?

indeed

report not engage ffs

its just k*rds putting flags for show

Dude they have the flags so they don't get fucked with by either side.

I knew a guy out there from the states who used to speak with the SOFs along the river north of Manbij.

The general population just want to lively freely and be able to practice their language and culture without being tortured or put in prison. That goes for Kurds and all the rest of the minorities there. YPG fighters know what they're signing up for when they fight with the YPG, and it isn't a Kurdish supremacist state. It's brotherhood among the diversity of Syria.

At every level of administration and fighting there's too many non Kurds are participating and dying for the project for them to ever turn back. Certain bonds cannot be broke.

isn't like 40% of the YPG arab? And they also have a bunch of other non kurds fighting with them. Its clearly no longer just a kurdish struggle

23,000 Arabs in SDF, a few thousand Assyrians and a few Turkmen and Chechens too.

And there's also non SDF Arabs in the YPG too yes, wouldn't say it's 40% but I think 20%. Certainly a decent amount. You'd often see updates from Rojava accounts on twitter with stuff like "64 new Arab recruits joined the YPG today" or whatever

youcaring.com/victimsofwar-752532

Donate to the international medical brigades (YBT). They need money for medical supplies

The Kurdish Nationalsocialists can leave the american vehicles behind for Assad to redistribute in his army in turn, right?

SAA aren't lacking weaponry or armour. They're lacking oil though and SDF has plenty of it. So they'll get some of that. And water. And relatively free movement. Both sides needed this tbh.

Link to that map anyone?

search for liveuamap


lmao tell your retard army to first recapture Palmyra after they lost it for the second time on December. They shouldn't expect their asses to be wiped by Russia and Iran forever

Are you the same shia kaffir on /islam/?

Granted, these tanks are outdated AMX-30s, but any tank is better than no tank, and they can always be upgraded. The AMX-30 had many different variants as well, some of which included anti-aircraft vehicles. There's a question as to whether Rojava can actually maintain these vehicles, though. But with the cantons now partially connected, it should be easier to both do that and push for full canton connection. Turks will get utterly BTFO soon and Turkey will probably collapse into civil war, giving Rojava some breathing room.

Weren't their previous tanks literally some random trucks with steel scrap plates welded to them and some concrete poured over?

Yeah, they were basically Mad Max vehicles. Not too shabby considering the situation Rojava is in, but they were due for an upgrade.

Former GamerGate here. I've been wanting to know this since 2014. What exactly is her deal? Like sometimes she seems to support Assad, other times she hates him. She's subscribed to Russell Brand on YouTube and talks about working with Trotskyists in one of her interviews, but then she also goes on Infowars with PJW and all his retardation. Is she playing 174th dimensional Go?

finally, tankies can support YPG

kek'd

We all know it's not a contrary enough stance for tankies to take sincerely though

Another thing: She did a video talking smack about the Syrian Kurds a few months back. Anyone more knowledgeable in Kurdish affairs want to look at it and post an evaluation here?

see

That's not quite as much detail as I'd like. Wasn't she from some influential Syrian family that had to leave the country? In any case, since this is the Rojava thread, if you're going to talk about her it should be focused on her opinion of the Kurds.

i just wanted to die in the desert lad…

She's one of the anti-YPG twitter crowd compared to more pro-YPG like Hassan Ridha. Not sure what her deal is at least Assyrian users have the excuse of having anti-Kurdish antipathy due to seyfo

Ok fair enough. Her entire argument is that cooperation with the US in any fashion indicates that they are an arm of american imperialist outreach and that support of them is untenable and tantamount to accepting continued US imperialist influence in the middle east. I personally don't find the argument particularly convincing or even new.

Particularly egregious are her "kurds are nationalists looking to balkanize the region and are fighting for kurdish supremacy" point.

Also lol at her using their connection to a group labelled terrorists by the US (PKK) as a reason why YPG is a terrorist org ("You can't trust the YPG which the US says is good because the US said their affiliates are bad).

This is why a lot of people on the left are reluctant to support the YPG though.


I don't suppose anybody's brought this point up when talking with her?

I'm aware, which is why I critiqued the argument as not just unconvincing but also played out. As has been explained better than I can elsewhere in this thread, Rojava is racially and religiously diverse, is not aimed at balkanization, and their support by the US is seriously overstated outside of the most basic military support (whereas countries like Israel get much more comprehensive aid and support of all kinds despite clearly needing it much less)


She doesn't seem to be into frequent debate but I could be wrong on this point. Considering she made basically one quick, glib video on why Syrian Kurds are trashed and seems averse to retreading any ground regarding their involvement I would guess no.

They denied you just because of depression? That doesn't seem right. Half the foreign volunteers have to be depressed, otherwise they wouldn't have traveled across the world to fight in the desert.

I thought Rojava was pretty much just Kurds who are generally secularists with a sizable Muslim minority and almost nothing else.


The Holla Forums threads on this suggested that they just want greater autonomy within Syria rather than attempting to break away altogether, but I'd read that they want to create Kurdistan.


This is the only part of this analysis I have any ability to comment on. They did get some airstrikes from the US, but Russia has given them some air support as well, so that's not really a defining factor. France giving tanks and APCs to Rojava could be considered support for her argument because France is allied with the US, but the political situation in Europe is delicate, and Turkey's upcoming civil war will make Europe's refugee situation even worse. The French have to know that things could escalate in this regard if Turkey falls apart, and giving one of Turkey's strongest opponents a bunch of heavy military hardware would be one of the surest ways to make that happen. Maybe that's why France is helping Rojava? The French bourgeoisie could want to worsen the refugee crisis to move people further right. Then again, it could backfire on them.

Let's be clear that presence or lack of western support has nothing to do with the ideological make-up or integrity of a group, unless you think the Taliban was actually radically different under western support than not. It turns out that western powers very frequently end up supporting random groups for short-sighted gains and that's why they find themselves funding a group of communist fighters in their war against islamists several decades after funding islamists in their war against communists without so much as an acknowledgment.

Rojava is not "pretty much just Kurds" and actually has a very sizeable number of arabs, assyrians, etc. such that - at last estimate I heard - they don't even make up a strict racial majority anymore. The prevailing political parties in Rojava are also not intent on a Kurdistan and have even been derided for having too optimistic a vision of a reformed Syria in full.

Let's be fair, this is more about weakening Russia than anything to do with Islamists.

American interest in the region certainly goes well beyond Russia and predates their involvement significantly but of course you're right that it's not really a "war against terrorism". I'm just making a glib point about their shifting, unmanicured narratives.

isn't that a trot group? can trots also be tankies?

They're just an ML group, not Trot

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Does anyone know what happens after the first round of emails and you reply to these questions?

twitter.com/rudawenglish/status/836492329129295872

Behind it all they even hate KRG despite them being subservient cucks

I think past depression is no issue, but they're probably scared of people with ongoing depression. Tbh idk if I should lie about my own past depression when I apply.


It doesn't mean gay


They write you back. If they find something they don't like about you they straight up tell you you're not wanted. If they do want you you'll be given a date and a phonenumber aswell as instructions - you wait for a while, fly out, wait in the Iraqi city of Sulablabla and then they smuggle you into Rojava (which means you have to walk for 8+ hours in the desert with a full pack, while being chased by islamists and the KRG ).

I would say be honest, but avoid using the medical category of depression to describe yourself. It's true they care more about ongoing depression anyway.

give me a reason why the western allies won't turn on Rojava when ISIS stops being popular

another conflict will be to costly and expensive?
idk really

If Erdogan continues to thaw relations with Russia they become an important regional ally, at least if Iraq continues to remain weak. Honestly though I'm not sure what the situation in Iraq is. The last I heard the government and military was severely brittle, but I guess they've been making gains in Mosul, with American support, so maybe that's changed somewhat.

In any event they have that mix of relative stability, secularism, cohesion, and oil that makes them attractive puppets allies.

There isn't one. Here's what I think will happen:


This would explain the piece that Iranian state TV did in support of Rojava. Iran knows that US neocons are after them. They may be trying to consolidate allies, since Erdogan's increasingly incompetent administration is a liability for them. They may be able to retain some help from Turkey depending on who wins a Turkish civil war, but they can't count on that, and they may very well end up with a Turkey much more hostile to them, so they're trying to branch out. If Rojava accepted help from Iran, it might get them some more heavy armored vehicles and other fun stuff, but the West wouldn't like that. I don't know how much longer Rojava can continue playing all sides like they've been doing. Pretty soon they're going to have to make some hard choices.


Never stopped them before.

wtf I hate Rojava now?

twitter.com/centcom/status/836574056468082688

dat trolling

Seriously tho. I thought they were against using minor soldiers?

What are you talking about?

you don't know how old they are

The woman in the photo I posted. They look very young

women*

Literally who cares if a 16 or 17 year old decided to take up arms with ISIS on their doorstep. Not like they're 9 or 10 fam.

Sure.
Do you know for certain that they are minors?

Women in their late teens join the YPJ. They're not children. Fucking crackers and your sanitized views on everything

I don't want to see hevals die because of fascist Turkey

You could just say you don't have depression….
You would probably perk up in that situation anyway

Try the IBF. Or possibly one of the million other allied militia.

That's nothing

This is the most batshit insane one I've seen yet. How do people eat? I think you need to make agriculture into a state monopoly then you have the stuff of leftypol's nightmares.

Hands down this is the best thread in the 2 years I've been browsing Leftypol.
Thanks everyone for keeping the quality content and discussion up.

Infographic of groups within the SDF. Groups like Army of Revolutionaries and Front of Raqqa Revolutionaries are themselves coalitions of smaller groups so this isn't absolutely compehrensive, but still a handy pic.

Right lads, the next few days will decide if the revolution stands or if Rojava gets Catalonia'ed. Hopefully the men and women of the SDF can hold their own against the turk, and Assad sees the sense in allowing the Rojava project to continue to prevent the spread of "moderate" islamism throughout Syria.

Also, Fuck Erdogan.

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5won5t/corridor_ypgregime/

this is so petty and so fucking funny

Do you have the YPG girl with the hammer and sickel behinder her pic?

It could still get Catalonia'ed, but I don't think it'll be from an attack on Manbij, which I'm pretty sure would be political suicide for Turkey since I'm sure the SDF is sincere about their threat to postpone the Raqqa campaign to defend Manbij; the West definitely would not be happy with that, especially Trump who wants Daesh gone ASAP. It took ES THREE months to take one small city from a faction that's engaged in a FOUR front war. There's no way they'll be able to conquer Manbij, a heavily fortified city, without a full-fledge invasion of Syria; the SAA definitely would not allow that and it'd probably be the action that'd turn this into a regional war. Now, of course since Erdogan is insane, none of this is unlikely.

PKK BTFO

dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2017/02/28/top-us-commander-didnt-assure-sdf-against-a-turkish-attack-on-manbij-centcom-says

you'll still have to fight tooth and nail for it Mehmet. there'll be no negotiated exits like in Al Bab, where you'd still be fighting now if it weren't for being pals with Daesh.

While Votel probably never said that using daily sabah as a source is massive faggotry

Recent article about the U.S in Rojava
foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/24/u-s-backed-fighters-in-syria-worry-more-about-turkey-than-isis/

Who are these people? Who the fuck thinks this way? What probes one to create these rationalizations?
What fucking maniac goes
I understand and recognize rationalizations of bad behavior, especially if you personally have a stake in it, but in this case I just had this feeling that most people were way beyond the "my part in this fight is completely infallible and heroic" way of thinking.
Like, he's not even disputing the empirical nature of the oppression. It's not: I'm not convinced that what you're saying is the case. It's full on: what you're saying is the case, but I just think you're in the wrong frame of mind.
Just fucking accept that Assad and the Syrian republic had and do have some fucking terrible and oppressive policies that cost a lot of people a lot of freedom and amplified inequality, it doesn't cost you anything.

The disease is called nationalism

I remember in the threads about Russia's proposed constitutional changes, one of them being the removal of "Arab" from Syria's name to just Syrian Republic to reflect Syria's diversity, all the SAA fanboys were freaking out, saying shit like removing the word Arab would be to spit on the graves of every dead SAA soldier and it would be a violation of everything Syria and Assad stands for. such autism.

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5w0yv1/under_reported_deal_reached_last_month_between/de6md2d/

you also have comments like this which accuse YPG of being sectarian and divisive for letting locals have autonomy.

some people just aren't ready to think of a world beyond Bashar.

I feel bad for laughing at this when I don't actually have an understanding of the Arab culture in the Syrian republic, but I can't help it in this case. This just seems like such a minor cession to the minorities of Syria…

thats why isis chimped out and sent some vbied while backing off? no they got fucked plain and simple

and so will kurds

elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/putin-is-expected-to-lead-the-anti-trump-front-in-syria-or-to-engage-in-bargaining-with-trump/

This article makes it sounds like Turkey had an agreement with Iran and Russia regarding Euphrates Shield but has now reneged on that agreement and has kinda gone rogue,

Bumpin with a doc I am in the process of watching
youtube.com/watch?v=2fipJAwje68

I truly ponder the inner workings of the mind of a propaganda-fed turkish nationalist.

t.hewal

Lol you can't even finish off PKK after 30 years. inb4 we killed gorillions of le pkk, I swear by asena's furry tits

How the fuck did such a low effort turkroach troll end up on leftypol. Normally Turks like you cant even understand English.

come on guys no identity politics. i love both kurds and turks. you guys both belong to awesome ethnic groups

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Hating nationalism isn't identity politics.
That being said, if one is unaware of the context, I see how one could misunderstand hatred of turkroaches as being hatred of actual turkish ethnicity/people.
I'll also grant that intermixed with content making fun of nationalist akp-drones there's some pretty rancid Holla Forums-crap, but I don't see a problem with it if it's used in a context that's pretty explicitly anti-nationalist. Turkish-nationalist self-identity is just as worthy of ridicule as their childish hatred of Kurds.

Its starting guys. Attacks on Afrin and Manbij are going on rn, Ahrar is mobilising for the Manbij offensive and TAF is bombing around Tal Rifaat. Its only a question of time now till Raqqa offensive gets stopped and massive amounts of troops get moved to Manbij front.

Fuck, I was going to make a post rejecting that but I checked the liveuamap
Fuck Turkey, Ba'ath rats, and inbred jihadis.
Bijî Rojavayê Kurdistanê!


syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/28-february-manbij-militiary-council-confirms-ongoing-clashes

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/1-march-clashes-between-euphratesshield-forces-and-sdfypg

good luck ypg/sdf
fuck the turks

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Is it happening ?

turkish civil war when?

Turks attacked the YPG. southfront.org/syrian-war-report-march-1-2017-tensions-in-northern-syria/

I dont like South-Front so much, they always make it look like the Turks are barely making progress. Or dont report at all.

As in this video, they say that Turkish backed forces captured only one village and failed at another.

While as you can see on the Live Map, that the Turkish backed forces have reached Amirah already.

South-Front dislikes Turks (like everyone else) but its important to report everything.

Which sources do you suggest?

April 15 2017: Turkish Referandum to change Turkish constetution from a parlementary sytem to a Presidental Sytem to give Erdogan more Legal Power.

Accordig to street interview with Turkish citezens, it seems the nation is split into two. With Erdogan supporters, supporting the Presidental System. And the Anti-Erdogan supporters, supporting the Parlementary System.

Situation around Manbij is very unclear rn. Even rumours going around of US troops intervening to stop the clashes. SDF official reaction is very mild till now. SyAF bombardment is an accident according to officials. Around Afrin only bombardment seems to happeb no clashes yet.

KURDS BTFO

Some U.S forces has placed themselves in (non-lethal) support of the YPG. Obviously the U.S wants to descalate the situation. I'm not seeing this slowing down. This is the reason why we can't have nice things: from the Paris commune to Rojava there's always some nationalist fucktard with a gun.

I can't believe the nationalism meme didn't die with the 20th century. But I guess first as tragedy then as farce.

If I recall it correctly the U.S. requested the SDF to retreat to the East-Bank of the Euphrates river. Somewhere in 2015/2016.

I doubt that the U.S. will support the SDF against Turkey in Manbij.

You fucking retards are fighting directly with NATO, you are directly fighting for American interests. You are being thrown away like the 'leftist' prostitutes you are, after being used by the most powerful capitalist military system known to man. Enjoy getting steam rolled by the FSA and Turks, you fucking traitors.

Fucking FSA and their twitter offensives again.

Why are the russians bombing SDF?

fuck off Phil

Russia has said that neither them nor Syrian airforces have bombed SDF. Not quite sure what's up that news tbh.

Really makes me think. All praise belongs to Allah, all victory belongs to him. Your whores will be raped. Your children will be converted. Your flags will be burned. All praise is due to Allah, ameen.

Death to Marxists. Death to the enemies of truth and morality. Death to the Jews, and their poisonous ideologies. All victory and praise belongs to Allah.

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Someone's salty

This is the end for you rats, NATO won't bail you out this time. I'm laughing all the way to the bank, your going to get eternal Hellfire.

Are you pro ISIS or pro Turkey buddy

You can't even beat a handful of peasants with AK's

what is it with MENA inhabitants and their fetish for gore?

implying Syria isn't capitalist. More so under Bashar when he liberalised the Syrian economy after coming to powee

Your gore porn doesn't change the fact that PKK has existed for more than 30 years now and will continue to exist in the future

It's Turkey according to twitter

Islamic Emirate. But ISIS is better than Turkey, I like it when Turkey slaughters Marxists though.

AYO HOL UP
YOU BE SAYING
THAT WE BE SOME KINDA
CAPITALIST RESITANCE?

So HTS. Da fuck? if you're going to support Salafis why would you support the much less powerful group compared to IS?

Please, nobody engage with this retarded turkroach. He comes here every couple of days and says the same old shit, it doesn't matter how hard you BTFO him.

HTS does its job, but Islamic Emirate as in what you call the Taliban movement. Al-Qaeda is cool too though. ISIS has a few issues, but overall their ideology and methodology is sound, they did a few autistic things in leadership though.

I'm not Turkish. Right now its NATO vs NATO, and I find that shit absolutely hilarious. Turkish troops are apostates, and Communists are atheists.

Edgy

I doubt that he is a roach. Maybe an Arab.

I don't think it is much as a fetish than intimidation/propaganda tactic, i remember an article speaking how IS propaganda was quite uique as it actually inflated or theatralized the violence it enacted.
But that's kinda pointless on places like imageboards.

I hope you realize that Turkey not only kills Communist Atheist Kurds but also the Al-Nusra and ISIS. And since shortly SAA too.

Turkey is basicly killing everyone at the moment.

So i dont think its good for you to support Turkey.

I know, I dislike Turkey, but I dislike Communists more. Its a win-win for Salafist resistance. Also Turkey has neutrality with HTS (Nusra), but allows NATO to bomb them to protect the Communist Kurds.

There's a reason why death affects you more: in your brain this is all we have, so life is a party and once its over its over. In our hearts we die and we go to our Lord, death doesn't affect us in the same way morally speaking. Mujahideen are the men who love death, just as you love your life.

What did they fight for? The right to be a whore? The destruction of their ancestral religion and culture? Do you think in their final moments of life, especially the one whom shot himself, thought being a Marxist was a bad plan in life?

Dude i once got banned for a week for posting only picture of a dead PKK fighter.

Im amazed about the fact that you are still here.

I'll probably just get a new VPN and continue doing this, lowering the morale and resolve of anyone that fights under the flag of NATO, is something that should be a duty to anyone that's anti-Capitalist.

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I sure did, don't worry I have thousands of pictures.

tfw we managed to add a stereotypical islamist turkroach to our collection of local trolls

whatever you say buddy. You sure are saving those spooks.

Got you covered my man

I am glad you offer the chance to all of leftypol to see a perfect specimen of a rarely seen autist in this kind of place.

Really fired up my neurons

Hmmm, I'm guessing these ladies should have stayed in the kitchen.

Everyone interested in the scw knows you guys perfectly, its not like you impress anyone anymore. But its pretty interesting to observe people this resistant to reality from time to time to be reminded of what we are up against.

Dude, take a break. Eat something.

How many PKK ladies offer to become wives of the ISIS or FSA fighters before they are killed?

Im supprised that a Non-Turkroach could be this Anti-PKK.

Even the Turks are not at this level of shitposting.

"In one of the most successful IED ambushes in the history of modern warfare, the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK) ambushed a convoy of Turkish soldiers. In this successful act of selfdefense, the Kurdish warriors, who are affiliated with the YPG, the Kurdish warriors celebrated worldwide for their success against ISIS, managed to completely annihilate at least 3 Turkish army vehicles, killing at least 45 Turkish soldiers."
liveleak.com/view?i=81d_1450826473

Those pictures doesn't discourage me it actually makes me more furious of not being there.

Wew. Apostates killing apostates.

Head over there then, do it.

What holding you back tough guy ?

Not enough money to buy my air plane ticket.

lmao filthy kurds

Am I the only one who feels saddened rather than angered?
I feel it's a genuine loss to humanity that so many people are so completely fucked ideologically (or maybe mentally in this case).
Yo, salafist spammer: I hope you
uhh
grow up? Gain perspective? I honestly don't know what it is you need to be able to see the world and other people with a bit more nuance, but I hope you find it, and I hope that you won't have to die without feeling solidarity with the human condition, or without empathy for the downtrodden.

I hope we as a social species at some point will be able to eliminate whatever it is that causes people to have this fucked up view of other human beings.

There are loads of these people around every part of the internet where the middle east is discussed. Most of them are turkroaches but some of them are also arab islamists, and in rarer cases arab nationalists.

They continuesly shit up every discussion with these pictures and are completely resistant to any kind of reasoning. Few of them actually speak decent english though.

P O E T R Y
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T
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Dude, stfu, you middle class edgy wh*te commies come to our land to kill our muslims? Then taste the terror of death.

Its useless, you have to get used to these kind of people. Sooner or later you will understand why everyone hates Turks and their affiliated people the most. They are completely lost to their delusions..

fucking bleeding heart cuckold

Shoo

WE COME WITH SLAUGHTER

You showing us dead PKK fighters is pointless. Most of dont agree with the PKK anyways.

I've only really seen them on fedbuk and twitter, most other salafist shitposters here have felt more like Holla Forums-tards trying to get a raise out of people.


I don't give a shit about your religion, tbh. I care about fighting oppression, I don't think that's unreasonable.


I'm sorry but I just don't think that's the case.
Individuals can be lost, but not entire demographies. I know this is trite, but whenever people say stuff like that I think of situations like Nazi Germany.
Ideology is most often societal, rather than individual, even if it appears the opposite.

Nothing wrong with being white. 'There's no difference between a white man, or a black man, an Arab or a non-Arab, except through faith' - Prophet Muhammad (saw).


Wew lad

zerocensorship.com/uncensored/turkish/soldiers-executing-two-female-pkk-kurdish-fighters-video-347380

Fun vid.

Why would I want to kill people that do me no harm? You are just a cucked shitposter who thinks being subservient to spooks and strongmans is somehow manly and proves your independence and strenght.

thats none of your fucking business tho fuck off

if you support ypg pkk you want the death of turks for sure

are you pro isis or pro turkey

Oh yes I do believe that not every individual is lost, but there is nothing you can do over the internet.

As if anyone cares if you are turkish or not, you behave exactly like a turkroach, think like a turkroach so you are a turkroach.


lol

Uh yes it fucking is? If people are in need of help, I feel compelled to help them. Do you not feel empathy?

It's a dog eat dog world in the middle east you fucking cunt. K*rds want to genocide arabs, turks, armenians like they did the assyrians. so fuck off its for the greater good

So pro-ISIS. Sorry mate I'm just using your way of reasoning

fuck this shit board has no i.d

As if you know shit about Islam retarded LARPing faggot

t.shia faggot

And what, you see no problem in that?
Do you not wish that it was not a "dog eat dog world"?
And if the Kurds do happen to want to genocide arabs, turks and armenians, then I will be sure to stand on the side of those oppressed, whether they be arabs, turks, armenians or any other people.

kurds wont stop at syria and iraq, they want a chunk of iran and turkey

as long as you support this you are an enemy to all muslims and stability in the middle east

If you really think that Kurds are more genocidal than Turks then you should kill yourself.

twitter.com/em_bernadin/status/837045155215601677

Attacks of the TR army and affiliates on Manbij have been repelled. 12 gang members killed, over 30 wounded. 3 armored vehicles destroyed.

Take it with a grain of salt, we will see tomorow what really happend.

I'm Sunni dipshit

Here, get BTFO'd for 20+ pages
lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf

of course it doesn't, we're a real chan.

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Stability in the middle east does not preside on which ethnic faction is in power, but on the material system in which those power dynamics work, which is why I'm a leftist.
I see the instability in the ME as a result of not only the meddling of imperial powers, but also a conflict of material interests between segregated groups, whether separated by nations, ethnicity or religion.
Eliminating the effects of capital on geopolitics is central to eliminating this instability, and right now the DFNS is the only influential anti-capital force in the world.

if only someone had seen this coming

Muh apostasy

Kill yourself (which is apparently fine to do because some autists in the last century told you so) and then let me know how "heaven" is

Yeah, like for example every SDF and YPG officer whenever probed about this topic?
Seriously, they've talked about this countless times.

wow lol u really are a rafidhi haha

t.rich white kid

no its determined by western intervention, which you fucking ypg volunteers are doing

Yeah, who has seen this coming since Kobane? I know it, the PYD. Somehow Tankies believe that they can see things no one else can see because of their superioir simplistic antiimperialist ideology.

Just kys orientalist faggot

What's the problem with that? I thought you Holla Forumstards like this spooky shit called "nationalism". You know, people being divided into states according to langueges/ethnicities.

This is what antiimperialism has devolved into

im not a polack faggot nigger


the middle east is not your sand box Stewart

Keep sperging baby salafist

don't think you know what "orientalist" means. 99% of rojavaflag posts are teenage boys fetishising kurdish women as well.

Took me a while to hide the pictures of our Sehids :(
Biji Kurd u Kurdistan

I think the term you are looking for is appropriation of non white struggles by previleged whites. If you think that this is important you should go to reddit.

t.rafihdi majoosi reza ismail shah 12 imam khomeni al dajjal ali kazeem muhammadi


they are apostates in hell

Kill every filthy communist.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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Tbh it motivates me even more so those brave people did not die in vain
With that said, I hope the mods can clean up this lowbait trolling from /pol

How long untill youre banned ?

this is /islam/

Wow you really are autistic as shit. I think I've met two Shias in my life. More non-arguments please

nice taqiyya

Then why are you posting nazi shit like this?

its just an image

You think I'm worried for my life arguing on an imageboard? How autistic are you really?

Plenty of Muslim socialists have been Sunni. It's not "taqiyya" if it's in a million history books you're too lazy to read

/islam/ is overwhelmingly against ISIS and variants from what I've seen, they hate Assad and the PKK but they're not murderous edgelords of the kind which lurks on Holla Forums, they even censor swearing. /christian/ is much more closer to theocracy than /islam/.

islam allows private property tho

dumb shia

yeah im not gonna get beheaded man maybe ill try to join FARC

Holy fuck you're an unbearable illiterate. Private and personal property are not the same thing and I promise you the Quran significantly predates any modern vision of capitalist private property

Can you explain why Turks are apostates ? From what im understand, Turks are Sunni's. Just like you.

lol ok sheikh ayatollah khomeni

not all turks or kurds are apostates, but those who support pkk or communist groups are apostates

Idgaf if my death is gory if I die trying to help countless people. This world is so absurd I really wouldn't lament leaving. I'd probably change my tune when bullets are passing over my head but till then

Better far— from all I see—
To die fighting to be free
What more fitting end could be?
Better surely than in some bed
Where in broken health I'm led
Lingering until I'm dead
Better than with prayers and pleas
Or in the clutch of some disease
Wasting slowly by degrees
Better than a heart attack
or some dose of drug I lack
Let me die by being black
Better far that I should go
Standing here against the foe
Is the sweeter death to know
Better than the bloody stain
on some highway where I’m lain
Torn by flying glass and pane
Better calling death to come
than to die another dumb,
muted victim in the slum
Better than of this prison rot
if there’s any choice I’ve got
Kill me here on the spot
Better for my fight to wage
Now while my blood boils with rage
Less it cool with ancient age
Better violent for us to die
Than to Uncle Tom and try
Making peace just to live a lie
Better now that I say my sooth
I’m gonna die demanding Truth
While I’m still akin to youth
Better now than later on
Now that fear of death is gone
Never mind another dawn

t. Idiot who venerates "sunnis" who accepted his "Muslim suicide bombing" Shia meme

man this thread became a shitshow

Holy shit why did this salafist scum decide to shit all over the best general on this board. That was painful to read.

::DDDDD

I retract my previous statement, you are obviously not a teenage boy but a committed and knowledgeable socialist.

>they say they don't know who to support (damn those adult male refugees for not staying and fighting for somebody though, we ought to just shoot them for cowardice :DDD)

tell them its not a fucking football match

Wow. Just wow.

Shoulda just gone with "large portions of them are ethnic minorities that Assad historically repressed."

Turks are actually just muslim greeks anyway

GOOAAAAAAL

/Islam/ has a couple Salafists. But I wouldn't say they're most of the board.

Funny. That's pretty much what Salafag Dogma is.

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Most Anatolian Turks aren't really descended from Turkic Steppe tribes. race is a spook

should have explained that it's not the same thing as communism. Jeffersonian democracy is arguably a form of communalism.

twitter.com/Conflicts/status/837239500686376960


SHIEEEET
WTF I'M A TANKIE NOW

oh fuck

I understand it, and agree with it tbh. Manbij would've been destroyed by Turkish airstrikes and hundreds of civilians would've been killed and rendered refugees. I hate that it has to happen, but it does.

Manbij transfer delays the inevitable tbh
The Turks can just invade via the border

They do that and SDF will fight Turkey with Russian and Syrian air support. Putin has clearly made it known that he doesn't want Turkey taking Al Bab

*taking Manbij

Nobody will let them. It's one thing to "help locals fight terrorists", another to invade a sovereign country, ally of your ally.

Turkey is not an existential threat to Rojava. I'm more worried about the concessions they'll have to make to Assad, Russia and/or the US because of them.

Very smart move by SDF indeed. Kek

Yes, I am sure the FSA are going to charge-in guns blazing. :/

SAA and SDF best friends forever

PYD are the most nimble of navigators

Rojava confirmed for political and strategic master race

I hope it doesn't bite them in the ass in the future

crisis averted?

Nah, Turks can always invade from the border.

Marxist-Nixonism strikes again!

Question for the Phil Greavesophiles: what now?

They could try, but it would end-up pissing off both the yanks, the regime and the Russians: the only way they could enter jarabulus was that it was controlled by Daesh.

They'll probably just make the same argument we are, just in reverse. "The SAA is only cooperating with the SDF out of military necessity".

But we aren't saying the regime are Russian puppets, while the SDF are "ebin US client states".

It's almost like the YPG are realpolitik af.

Phil hates Russia now too.

Top ebin.

he always has

yes he seems to have a "SYRIA IS FOR SYRIANS" stance that is even more hardline than Assad. I think Phil has transcended even Baathism.

maybe he's SSNP?

already making use of that corridor

looks like there is going to be a competition between KSA and Turkey to see who can be the most incompetent US backed ally in the ME

If only Israel could join in on the fun

It's pretty astonishing how badly Turkeys failed again and again in Syria

Surprised it wasn't used the other way around.
Afrin has a lot of really well-drilled special forces and the most educated strategic officers the SDF can muster. Those guys are direly needed on the Raqqa/Manbij front

Could be supplies too. Afrin's been starved for years now. I saw a vid of Afrin YPG firing an ATGM at a Turkish tank the other day though so they might be more well stacked than it appears. Afrin is the least coveted part of Rojava. Hopefully we get more insight into life there now

Yeah, but with the turks cucked in the east they will strike on Afrin now: so they will need the men and ammo.

At this point I'm not only expecting Turkey to not really achieve anything but also to actively lose Hatay

what a pleb

Who is this fat ass azamat bagatov with a borat mustache lookin ass nigga, and why should I give a fuck when I could be watching BET

Leave Yazidis alone Turkey and Barzani you cunts

The shouldn't be any conflict between the YBS and Roj-Pesh. They are being total jash in the pocket of Barzani.

twitter.com/Conflicts/status/837296455790571523

What?

Apparently dozens of secular Peshmerga and Yazidi Peshmerga are being arrested by KDP because they refused orders and said they wouldn't shoot at Yazidis

Intredasting.

aryenhaber9.com/sengale-saldiran-83-pesmerge-ezidxan-asayis-guclerine-teslim-oldu/

83 Roj Peshmerga dropped their weapons and refuse to fight YBS

Only the most evil son of a bitch would want to kill Yazidis after what they've been true

Incredible. I can't understand why Barzani is doing this. He has turned proto-fascist even thoughis father was a good man. I other kurds kan keep our cool in this situation.

hope*

turkey getting cucked at an alarming rate

good on them, refusing to fight the yazidis. heroes, all of them

US now supporting assad with air support. Phil Greaves on Suicide watch?

Wtf I love Trump now.

Anti imperialist twitter going through a mass identity crisis rn

Don't see why tbh. Finally, after 6 years, their guy wins. It's not like the US intended Assad to stay. They just have nothing left yo play.

Don't know what to think about this:

twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/837634582744809472

Russians say they already have it. Don't have the link cause it was in the last thread, but check 4pol/sg/

why are they doing this?

Only the western areas bordering ES, maybe the northern regions. I think that it could be stopped though, civilians are unhappy with this and MMC is holding quite well against the attacks till now.

there was probably some us pressure. Now they can focus all their efforts on Raqqa.

The US requested the YPG to retreat east of the Euphrates or the US would cancel air support so the YPG complied and set up the poly-ethnic Manbij Military Council to protect Manbij.
There was also a guy who heckled John Kerry saying something like "Why did you tell the YPG to retreat?"
To which Kerry responded with "We asked them to retreat so US special Forces could move in to Manbij"
With the current situation; Kerry's explanation is tragically laughable.

Turkey has the idea that literally anything even vaguely affiliated to PKK is PKK.

Manbij Military Council: PKK
YPG: PKK
Any group within the SDF: PKK
PYD: PKK
YBS: PKK
Leftist Turks: PKK

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Or devious. Set the Turk backed Shield operation head to head with Assad loyalists with Manbij as the battlefield.

bump

why are turk trolls all over the internet?
like why how would they come to a rojava thread on leftypol on Holla Forums? is there like a JIDF of barely literate butthurt Turks?

Turkey is gay

Yeah.

On the YBS - Rojava Peshmerga clashes this thread is the most complete and accurate afaik:
twitter.com/Matthew__Barber/status/837746546716340227

man, fuck Rojava Peshmerga and the KRG.

He says the YPG may enter Iraq with reinforcements and heavier weapons if RojPesh continue their attacks. He says his sources have actually seen reinforcements arriving already.

YPG are such heroes. Hope they annihilate RojPesh.

True traitors, I cant wait for the day that the KDP falls.

Yeah holy shit. I had the understanding that they were just slightly more reactionary nationalists who are just more content with what the KRG is giving them, but reading this it appears more like they're full on bootlicking genocidal reactionaries.
If what Matthew Barber is reporting is correct, then the Peshmerga are not the allies of the people in any way.

Fuck, I really fucking hope shit doesn't go down. Nobody needs this right now.

fuck this
fuck having to flee your homes into either a warzone, the fucking desert mountains or a region governed by people who fucking hate you, just because Barzani is a spineless cripple who can't stand up to the pressure of a fucking mousefaced megalomaniac.
State politics always leaves people and their lives as means to an end, this shit cannot fucking stand.

Well this is confusing. Why have the KDP set up a militia of Syrian Kurds in Iraq called the Rojava Peshmerga? Are they on a quest to make everything as confusing as possible?

Welcome to the Syrian Civil War

It's like Lost with technicals.

This is retribution for what RojPesh are doing to Yazidis I'd imagine.

Barzani needs to get purged. Isn't he always involved with this stupid shit?

Presented without comment.

How would one become a PYD party member if one were to go to Rojava to join the YPG?

Learn Kurdish, and get involved. There are allready a couple volunteers there that are active in TEV-DEM or have become cadres.

fairly easily if you speak kurdish and are ideologically compatible. don't think you can skip your 6 month minimum with the YPG. it really messes up their productivity if they have short term volunteers. 6 months is already a short commitment than just about every military in the world.

speaking of learning Kurdish, the first meeting of the /rojava/ study group is starting in less than two hours at 6 ET. please join us on Discord if you can.

We'll be starting the first meeting of the Kurdish language study group shortly, please stop by if you have any interest.
discord.gg/PdJmH

Barzani is a fucking traitor and needs to hang for it

I strongly recommend people to join this study group.

I might have a group of a few individuals who are interested in joining.
Also, I have a native kurd proficient in english.

It would be very nice if you could join!

Yeah.
Can't tonight tho. That's out of the question, I am afraid.

send them over. We plan on meeting every day at 4PM ET to practice, and we'll be around to chat during many other times.
additionally, if you want to contact me directly, my email is [email protected]/* */

Every day?
Geez, that's a lot. Fine, I'll tell my american friends to join, but both me and my Kurdish friend are danes, so 4 PM ET is pretty late for us, so we won't be able to attend every day, especially so on work-days.

Things would be much easier for Rojava with PUK in power, yeah.

learning takes repitition. You don't need to come every day, although it's appreciated, and if you have a conflict we can work something out. we'd like to have a kurdish speaker come once or twice a week to teach. We agreed on 4PM because we thought it would work better for euros and ameribros. Do your friends work night shifts? what time would you suggest?

Nah, the time is fine, it's just like 2200 hours over here, so it's close to bedtime, if you have to work the next day.

I have another friend that might be able to join a little more reliably, who's even from Kobani and thus speaks the right dialect, but he only speaks danish, Kurdish and Arabic, so I will have to join also to translate, if he's to help you guys at all.

that sounds fantastic. Hopefully in a couple of months we'll be able to speak well enough that he can teach us without any translation.

if you're worried about bedtime, we'll try and keep each meeting close to 30-45 minutes, so hopefully it's not too obtrusive.

Indeed.
I'll see what I can do about it.

I'll let you know what I'll be able to do in the other thread you made later. Keep that one alive, yeah?

I'm danish aswell! I'd probably be active whenever you guys can.

I'd also be happy to translate from him to the english speakers if you aren't available

I'm excited

wtf why are we so many danish people here?

That Jihadi spirit.

Gå i seng, tabere :^)

Vi kan snakke i morgen i den anden tråd
Hvilken region er I fra, forresten, og hvad synes I om Bookchin?

Hovedstaden.
Bookchin virker spændende, alt hvad jeg har hørt om ham vækker min interesse, bare svært at få tid til at læse andet end til studiet.
Var i til demo i onsdags? Mediedækningen er en fucking joke.

Niks. Jeg mener at sort-bloks strategi er upragmatisk, fremmedgørende og apolitisk i natur. Jeg regner dem ikke for at være meget mere end livsstilsanarkister, selvom deres intentioner sikkert er i det rette sted og den oprindelige rydning at ungdomshuset var uretfærdig

Bookchin vil ændre dit liv, min ven

Vest-Sjællænder her, hvad var der med demoen? Har kun kunne finde det bullshit fra medierne.

I have a copy of Baran Rizgar's Kurmanji-English dictionary. Got it from some twitterkurd guy years ago.

Currently uploading it to mega because it's too large to upload here

mega.nz/fm/6klBDCIa

Jeg bumber ham lidt op på min læseliste så.
Er tilbøjelig til at være enig med dig, mht. sorte blok. Syntes dog stadigvæk at når der er så begrænset mulighed for at gøre udtryk for sine frustrationer med systemet og ens muligheder for at sige fra over for systemet har så begrænset indflydelse, så er det værd at gøre. Om det så bare er for at sige "vi er her, glem os ikke".
Og så for at gøre udtryk for hvor stor en fucking joke ryddelsen af ungeren var.
Ved ikke helt om jeg gider at tage derind i morgen dog.


Hele det der "Hvor er argumenterne?!?!?" som en eller anden retsordfører fra et regeringsparti gik igang med.
"Vi lever altså i et demokrati blabla"
Og så hele den der "Nogle enkeltstående individer som ødelægger hele demonstrationen for alle de andre". Fucking lol. Hvis de prøvede at spille en af deres videoer med den originale lyd kan man høre hele demoen huje og fejre. Man kan bare ikke have at der er nogen der udtrykker deres frustration med at føle sig overset på nogen anden måde end surt formulerede læserbreve til politiken.
Man kan heller aldrig se hvor fucking intimiderende det er at blive skubbet ned af nørrebrogade af en politikæde, og at være omringet af kamppåklædt politi, når man ikke er den de nedstirrer på videoen.
Så sidst også den der standard "Vold og hærværk!!", øh ja, malingbomber og smadrede ruder på bankerne. Ellers var det bare fyrværkeri og en barrikade på jagtvej. Politihjelme og panservogne var det eneste der blev udsat for vold fra demonstrationens side, ihvertfald af hvad jeg kunne se.

Tak for det. Det kan være let at glemme at der også sker ting her nogle gange

Som Bookchin også peger på, er lidt af sort bloks problem at de ikke prøver at stille deres egne problemer i en bredere samfundsmæssig kritik, eller prøver at danne deres egne lokal-orienterede direkte-demokratiske forsamlinger, der laver projekter i fællesskabet og er åbne for alle, for at få den folkemæssige opbakning til politisk at gøre noget ved sine problemer

**Her er en tekst, der forklarer hvordan Kommunalisme adskiller sig både fra Anarkisme og Marxisme og hvad problemerne ved de klassiske socialistiske bevægelser var
social-ecology.org/wp/2002/09/harbinger-vol-3-no-1-the-communalist-project/**

Her er lidt om idéer til dets praktiske implementering social-ecology.org/wp/1998/08/a-politics-for-the-21st-century/

link isn't working for me, comrade.

Rojava'yı isgal edip, herkesi öldurecegiz. Yakinda.

På den front kan man dog godt sige at ungdomshuset er en libsoc vinderhistorie, selvom at det frem for at være orienteret imod et geografisk lokalområde, så er orienteret imod en ungdomssubkultur.
Tak for links min ven, smider dem i Bookchin bunken.

Use this link instead

anonfiles.cc/file/e69f9893893378fec537e44b1fde8762

The Rojava Peshmerga are made up of nationalist Syrian Kurds. It was originally funded and trained by the KDP to help the YPG against Daesh. The PYD banned them from coming into Rojava after they refused to join the YPG (this was before the SDF was created and the YPG was the only allowed military force in Rojava), probably because they didn't want a KDP puppet army in their territory. So, since then the Roj peshmerga have stayed in Iraq. Now it seems they're being used to cause trouble for the Yazidis.

can you make a new invite its saying it's expired

the link in this thread doesn't expire.
8ch.net/leftypol/res/1438264.html

Erdogan gets couped/assassinated/overthrown/shot/beheaded when?

Manbij is safe bitch

Russia and Putin making a concentrated effort for the heart of SDF it seems. After Raqqa I think SDF will float more and more into Russia's sphere of influence.

So, does anyone have any idea how the agreement with west Manbij works? Is now under full and permanent Regime control? Are they just allowed to station troops there? This seems very vague and confusing. I have a hard time the MMC would just give up a large amount of their territory to a faction almost everyone hates just so they don't lose it to a different faction everyone hates.

MMC are still clashing with ES west of Manbij and taking villages off them so it's hard to know how the dynamic works.

>twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/837951265128734720

They fucked over ES as expected. I have no doubt that they can resist indefinitely against ES as long as Turkey wasn't involved.

The agreement with SAA and Russia is more like an insurance against Turkish intervention rather than fear of ES' nonexistent military capabilities

Euphrates Shield are gonna continue gunning for Manbij it seems, but without Turkish artillery or air power supporting them. Meaning they'll get massacred.

Hopefully on the same day as the South Korean president.

Turkey is prepring a massive force, for a big assault on Manbij. The FSA attacks of the last couple of days on Manbij was without Turkish support.

Officaly, the Manbij Operation has not started yet.

twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/838029078938718210

Let them come. Manbij SDF is backed by US, Russia and Assad. Such powerful players not wanting Turkey in Manbij will mean Turkey won't be in Manbij.

Russia is only sending humantarian aid.

Syrian Army not in Manbij, YPG only raised SAA flags in hope of scarying aways the ES.

US is only bluffing. A dozen of Spec Ops cant hold of a Turkish offencive.

No, but what do you think happens if Turkish soldiers shoot and kill American soldiers?

New guy to Syrian conflict, are the SDF a coalition that the YPG is contained within, or are they just allies? What's the big deal with US support for the SDF?

I dont know, but i just have a hard the time procesing the idea that:

U.S. NATO Forces, are willing to stand together with the Russian Army and Syrian Regime Army to fight their Turkish NATO Allies. In order to defend a Kurdish Communist Millitia contolled canton.

The Americans are willing to bet on anyone who will get rid of ISIS quick and who might also oppose Assad/Putin.
They're in over their necks.
So yeah, they're not going to *fight* their Turkish allies, but Turkey knows that if they shoot and kill american soldiers, the US government will have no choice but to retaliate.

Thus they use american troops as a human wall.

Why is it that you can't see the Americans shooting at the Turks (in self-defence) but you can imagine the Turks shooting at the Americans (aggressively)?

Im sure a crazy man like Erdogan sees such wall a a provocation, and a challenge to fight.

We are now looking at a stand of between Putin, Trump and Erdogan.

All three of m are very unpredictable.

Yeah.
Perhaps the biggest mistake to make is to assume that all three of those are going to behave like rational actors and play by the old laws of statecraft.

It would seem that they might become an explosive cocktail soon.

Is it realistic at this point that Turkey will take Al-Bab


Yeah.
They already did.

Take it, in like anexing it ?

Because if youre not following to the news, the Turkish backed forces took Al-Bab back last month.

Sorry, I am trying to get more familiar with the conflict.

YPG are the main group within the SDF but there's plenty of others. US uses the Arab groups within the SDF to give weapons to YPG because Turkey will go mental if the YPG get direct heavy weaponry from the US.

got it, that makes sense. So why is the US support for the YPG so heavy?

Because they fight ISIS a lot and they fight ISIS better than anyone.

The U.S. just wants to get rid of ISIS as fast as possible.

While everyone is fighting ISIS, no one is fighting ISIS as a first priority enemy. Meaning everyone is only kind of fighting ISIS. Thats why ISIS became this big.

Everyone is busy fighting other factions.

And then there is the YPG. A faction that actually puts ISIS as a priority enemy. Thus gets the most U.S. support.

joeyl.com/blog/all/post/welcome-to-raqqa

Some great photography from the Wrath of Euphrates campaign. Joey L does some nice stuff with SDF and PKK.

Al Sanadid's logo is sexy af btw. They hate Saudi monarchs and Wahhabism. Pretty based guys in general.

He will defect to Turkey at the first chance he gets. Thats what they are like, all of m.

Turkey has already tried to lure away SDF arabs, with extremely minimal success.

The fact that FSA Turkmen are fighting SDF Turkmen is even more amazing.

Brazilian National Geographic is making a fancy photo-documentary thing in Rojava.

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAr322Yg8UkBwcDQHz8WqQciNxIiyEI3q

Nice dreams lol. The only SDF group that Turkey managed to turn is the small Liwa al-Tahrir.

If they can't turn larger groups after Jarabulus, there's no way they can turn anyone when ES incompetence to bare.

Not to mention Sanadid are the personal army of the governor of Jazira canton so he has a larger stake in the success of canton project


They hate Saudis because they are Shammar. The al-Rashids, great rivals of the al-Sauds during 19th century, were Shammar.


SDF spokesperson Talal Silo is an ethnic Turkmen

Updates on the RojPesh YBS situation.

More hammer and sickle flags being used in Palmyra. This one reading '3rd Volunteer Assault Battalion'

This unit is trained and equipped by Russia, thus the hammer and sickle. In Russia the hammer and sickle is as much a nationalist symbol as a ideological one. And it's very much the former case here.

A Syrian Airforce pilot was shot down over Idlib and parachuted into Hatay (Turkey). He's now on the run and the locals in Hatay are looking to lynch him.

Might anger Russia and strain ties further if that happens

KDP is being a total fascist.

Everytime fam Kek

Its kind of odd that they call the imperialists the "Holy Alliance"

please find one example of MLs defending IS outside of this mentally handicapped italian

No memeing, who are you quoting?
Who the fuck was saying all marxists are tankie retards?

it's a common sentiment on here. unless you consider trots and leftcoms "marxists" (lol)

Maybe a common sentiment amongst idiots.
The conflation between marxist-leninists and marxists is already bad enough here.
But why the fuck did you make the post then? What provoked you to make it?
You saw somebody making fun of PMLI and you just assumed they meant it about all marxists (not even about ML's, which would've been just slightly more reasonable)?
You're one of those idiots in that case.

joeyl.com/blog/all/post/welcome-to-raqqa

The Sparts also support ISIS on "anti-imperialist" grounds too

The Sparta have been the retarded child for s long time now

Didn't see it here posted, AMA with a internationalist comrade in the YPG

reddit.com/r/rojava/comments/5vpums/ama_ypg_volunteer_45_months_in/

also bump for best thread on board

swear to god if you slapped the hammer and sickle on the SS they'd support them

twitter.com/_liberationnat_/status/837000914581897217

They'll ridicule and belittle Turkish Rojava aligned communists at the same time.

This is what nazbol is.

Erdogan on suicide watch
HOW WILL HE EVER RECOVER

Add more if you can

biehlonbookchin.com/rojavas-threefold-economy/

kurdishquestion.com/article/3830-rojava-has-revolution-eliminated-the-state

crimethinc.com/2015/09/23/feature-understanding-the-kurdish-resistance-historical-overview-eyewitness-report

warscapes.com/reportage/revolutionaries-bethnahrin

lookleftonline.org/2016/12/interview-with-mlkp-rojava/

zcomm.org/znetarticle/no-this-is-a-genuine-revolution/

weareplanc.org/blog/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-our-member-in-rojava/

those chucklefucks turned up at a fucking marxist student federation conference i was at and tried to sell their paper while autistically screeching about the EU.
Fun times.

Biji Immortal Technique.

IT BE PIMPIN

nooooooo

:(

CENTCOM confirms that about 60% of the SDF is now Arab. So bring that up whenever someone says that Rojava is ethno-nationalist or refers to the SDF as 'the Kurds'.

Even YPG itself has lots of Arabs. When Aris Roussinos went to Hasakah to film the three-sided fighting between YPG, SAA and IS, his main guide was an Arab.

Even more so from other military bodies such as HXP (which were localised 6 months home guard conscripts). Also, the Jazira canton governor is an Arab Shammari and his personal force Sanadid was YPG ally since 2013 battle of Yaroubiya

They even changed official name from Democratic Federation of Northern Syria-Rojava to just Democratic Federation of Northern Syria because it is more ethnically neutral

I don't know what the fuck is going on.

There's been reports of the civilians in Manbij being upset about the proposed deal and the idea of Baathist flags flying above their schools and houses. If MMC listened to the civilians and cancelled the deal, it's very honorable but it remains to be seen how wise it'll be.

older
ekurd.net/yazidi-women-respond-barzani-2016-05-15

There was reports that Manbij itself would be handed to ba'athist rats. Is The MMB's military locals only or is it the YPG? It'd imagine the YPG would defend it from turkish and ba'athist rat claws.

It seems like the main concern Al-Sanadid (and many of these other Arab groups) is tribal autonomy. Democratic confederalism with its emphasis on devolving power to the local level has got to be hugely appealing to all these groups. You can see this appeal in how effectively the YPG have built and unified a diverse coalition.

The project being carried out in Rojava has the potential to revolutionize the entire middle east. It's extremely effective at unifying multi-ethnic, multi-religious coalitions with basically the promise that they will be left alone it the future. The Old middle eastern nation state model is totally collapsing it seems what most likely will replace it is hellish sectarian islamist violence. If the Rojava project is successful we might instead see a secular anti-capitalist confederation of tribes and ethnic groups living in peace. The stakes couldn't be higher we should honestly all be over their fighting with the YPG.

Really sad, i came to actually kinda came to like him as a person. Its interesting to see him as confused by the situation as everyone else.

Ideally, in a communalist society, the MMC would have to listen to the voice of the people.

I was reading an interview with a member of the Revolutionary Youth Movement in Rojava and he said

I'd heard about the Druze city in the south that asked for PYD to send them a delegation to help set up the infrastructure for democratic confederalism before, but I can't find much details on it. Anyone got any links?

anyway it's very encouraging. Druze cities in the south are completely dislocated from SDF territory so for them to show interest in the project and ask for help is a great sign.

nice photoalbum

imgur.com/r/rojava/fAxZV

Only some villages west of Manbij (which are now pretty much emptied out due to the fighting)

twitter.com/mutludc/status/838527852064702464

it's a pretty fucking bad deal for SAA tbh. Russia definitely pushing their hand on this. in fact some have been saying that it'll be Russian guards in these villages rather than SAA so who knows

I wouldn't doubt that. Russia has been the foremost supporter of PYD politically.

can anyone here hook me up with a "the next revolution" pdf?

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thanks comrade

Murals in preperation for International Womens Day.

1st pic: "Free women are the symbol for a democratic society"
2nd pic: "The Revolution in Rojava is a woman's Revolution"
3rd pic: "The liberation of women is the liberation of all nations"
4th pic: "Woman, Life, Freedom"- the official women's slogan of Rojava Revolution.
5th pic: "The celebration of women's Day colors our spring"

combatnarcotic.blogspot.de/2017/03/on-losing-people.html

Another good and important blogpost by one of the foreign combat medics in Rojava.

Looking forward to all the pics and vids of the celebrations and marches that will come out of Rojava after international women's day. KCK affiliated groups have an amazing ability to mobilise people for demonstrations and marches.

he kinda looks like lenin

youtube.com/watch?v=yKlJAeGjMWQ

for example, this is a march from yesterday in Sheikh Maqsoud celebrating in preperation of International Women's Day.

I'm very happy by this

rojavanpuolesta.tumblr.com/post/157944251430/experiences-in-rojava-interview-with-an-anarchist

very good interview with a volunteer here

I think Turkey might step in there at some point.

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/6-march-nso-reports-euphratesshield-forces-captured-a-foreign

He'll probably be fine. Likely deported to his home country.

liveleak.com/view?i=2af_1477834928&comments=1

Extra-judicially killing another country's citizens is a pretty big deal. He'll probably be roughed up a bit, but his country will demand he be returned.

Turkey has stated in the past it will consider any volunteers in the YPG to be terrorists, and have openly stated to them that ISIS and PKK are the same thing to them.

No country would just let an ISIS fighter free, not to mention the lawlessness of Syria
He will probably at the very least be interrogated

feels so bad when you compare it to feminism in the West. I wish our feminists were not liberals

Yes, Turkey thinks that, but that doesn't change how international politics work. If a country like the US, who doesn't think the YPG are terrorists, had one of their citizens imprisoned by Turkey then they'd demand their return. They definitely would not allow Turkey to execute them. It'd basically be like if any other country executed one of their citizens. Even if Turkey captured an American ISIS recruit the US would demand their extradition.

He'll likely be interrogated and imprisoned for a couple weeks but he'll probably go home. Turkey wants to pretend to be a civilized, western state; it's not like if they were captured by the SAA.

Do we know who the foreign fighter is or if it's even true?

Euphrates Shield claimed that one of the fighters they captured was HPG(PKK) from Iraq.

Turks still attacking "Rojava". Turns out relying on american imperialists doesn't pay off, huh?
Now they're considering having the SAA save their ass by building a buffer zone between the Turkish and YPG forces.
Look who's crawling back and asking for help now, what a surprise. It's too late, nothing will be forgotten or forgiven, US bootlicking rats. Your whole endevor was doomed and that of a proxy army, now your experation date has been met and you wonder what went wrong. What a bunch of senseless fools.
The price will be paid and the antiimperialist Syrian forces will be the ones liberating the nation. The YPG place will be that of pleaders, they wasted their chance of being part of the national liberation struggle.
Fuck them and western liberal anarkiddy scum.

What a bunch of pussies lol lmao get some of dat marxist principles and come back another time
They shook leftists tellin y'all

sounds like someone needs to borrow a chair from the leftcoms

Your delicious salty tears, i can't get enough.

How does it feel to constantly pick the wrong side and fuck up throughout history, Anarkiddies?
Probably some ruse of the evil Stalinists cucking you again, you dindu nuffin wrong after all.

lmaooooo

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I couldn't make this kinda shit up if I tried

you're right, we should've joined the liberals and conservatives in 1936/37 like you did

hey stalinists protecting the bourgeoise from revolutionaries is a time honoured tradition.

Couldn't make this kinda shit up if i tried

damn, Assad is making some mad gains

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really makes you think

There are literal M-L's in northern syria fighting alongside the "anarkidiz" right now, take your bait somewhere else.

Can't wait for the continued damage control when the YPG has to lay down arms and gets gulag'd for good for being a proxy tool of the US instead of joining antiimperialist alliance for the national souvereignity of Syria.

And you think they do so in defending your pipe dream and your covered up US interventionism? Haha, wow, you sure are delusional.

autism

Assad is going to get mussolini'd and I can't wait

stop shitting up the thread Phil

Implying Rojava is anarchist. kek you really know nothing

How many layers of anti-imperialism are you on, Phil?

Total anal devastation.

Stop your one line whining replies and suck it up, US cuck.

You said so 5 years ago :-)
You'll still be in denial when putting a gun to your head and crying to yourself "We wuz socialism 'n shiieet"

see
an anarkiddy that can't read, now that's something totally new :^)

We are just mad that some retarded pseudo communist that never read a single book with no clue about what hes talking about shits up an otherwise decent thread.

At least admitting that you're mad.
Now if only you could comprehend the reason is actually that i'm right and it's subconciously dawning on you.

I'm getting tired of this board. This thread is intended for coverage of Rojava in the syrian civil war. I don't get why some people just have to spam the thread with bullshit. Like, it's not even good trolling and baiting, it's just bot-tier spam.

I think he is mad that tankies are bullied on this board. i even saw a tankie hate thread once. how barbaric

congrats on shitting up a good thread

are you phil or molly?

dont take the bait, ffs

for example in the Kurmanji thread there's a guy saying Rojava is somehow responsible for RojPesh killing Yazidis.

to be fair, it is very confusing that they are called the Rojava Peshmerga.

To be fair, people shut just shut the fuck up when talking about stuff they don't know shit about.

Whatever you say roach.

are kurds whiter than turks?

No. But I've yet to meet a Kurd larping as an "aryan".

anyone else seeing Erdogan going mad at Germany and calling them Nazis recently

really unhinged man

dude's been going full retard for a while now, if it wasn't for the fact that our second biggest minority group was Turks and our government inept he'd actually have to face consequences for it too

nice, nice

Nice statement by IFB on the anniversary of Ivana's death

Nice summary of the happenings in Sinjar from ANF news

anfenglish.com/kurdistan/the-situation-in-shengal-in-10-questions

also bump

US has decided to back SDF for Raqqa. I'd expect it to be made official soon enough.

When your foes are hell-bent on exterminating your very own kind, even the children have a little choice. It's a far better deal to be shot in the battlefield than ending up in a burning cage or gas chamber after a few rapes here & there.

twitter.com/nomadly00/status/839486447203811332

I really worry Rojava might break under the amount of IDPs they're getting. I mean it's a very positive sign that people fleeing war see Rojava as a safe place, but I heard some people working in Manbij's civilian council saying that they're really struggling with all the new arrivals on top of an already huge amount of IDPs

Turkey recently shut down an NGO that is the main flour supplier organisation for northern Syria.
And in general there are not many NGOs that support Rojava. Thankfully the UN aid seems to be still ongoing through Qamishli airport.

Due to the constant quasi blockade by Turkey and Barzani its even more understandable that SDF tries to get good relations with the government. That new conection to the gov territories with its harbours and connection to Lebanon will probablly allievate a lot of economic issues in Rojava. With a bit of luck they will also be able to connect to Iraqi territory in a few month which should enable propper trade again. So things are looking up potentially and if they manage another half year or so the Turkish blockade wont be a huge issue anymore.

Not to speak of the weapons suggling that now probably enables SDF to buy a lot of needed weapons.

At 19 years old she did more good than what most living in the west could say. If she isn't an example of an incredible human, I don't know who is. On this day, the international women's day, we celebrate people like Ivana Hoffmann and the many other strong, revolutionary women of the YPJ and kurdish forces. Fuck white, bourgeois, liberal women who have hijacked this day.

Martyrs never die. :'(

Well said comrade.

The brave live forever

nouvelleturquie.com/en/kurdistan-en/women-freedom-forces-cemre-has-fallen-spring-is-close/

So many heroic women died for Rojava… makes me quite sad thinking about it.

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Turkey's gonna build a new city which can hold 80,000 people near Al Bab.

Imagine thinking Turkey is every gonna give the land they've taken back.

when russia took crimea libs lost their fucking minds, i highly doubt they will care about this because the "good guys" are doing it

I suspect they might be doing this to prevent west and east Rojava from connecting.

reddit.com/r/SyrianRebels/comments/5y8r8z/ama_interview_with_qaswara1189_an_ahrar_alsham/

not Rojava related but /r/SyrianRebels managed to snag an AMA with an Ahrar al Sham fighter. pretty interesting thread.

twitter.com/GissiSim/status/839605730911072263

Russian SOF wearing Manbij Military Council patch.

SDF is now being supported by 2 members of the UNSC.

Turkroaches, Assad-Russiaboo ""anti-imperialists" and Ameriburgers BTFO

ABSOLUTELY BASED

There have been reports that Turkey was resettling Sunni Turkmen refugees from Tal Afar in North Aleppo.

Seems like this new city would be to tilt the demographic favour to Turkey and ensure another TRNC-like puppet state

Wow, so literally an Israeli-type land-grab?

I can't wait to fight those useful idiots.

twitter.com/PYD_Rojava/status/820578401387999232?s=09

yes and it's not the only similarity to Israel. Frequently destroying Rojava's wildlife and farms so they can't build their big border wall.

you heading over?

Turkey will commission the second phase of the civil war.
The worst thing, attacking this fucker means attacking the whole NATO.
Erdogan knows this, this is why he does what he does.
NATO troops in Incirlik also help him out, finding targets to bomb. This is where people realise, "the West" lost all values.

ur gay and unrealted 2 thrwead

Pretty sure NATO members arent obliged to help out other NATO members in the event of an spontaneous offensive operation as Euphrates Shield is.

No, NATO is supposed to be a defence alliance.
If members do offensive warfare, the others have the rights to not follow suit, as Germany and France did, when the US invaded Iraq.
Turkey is invading Syria and bombs Kurd positions.
Despite Germany government's claims that they only give them information surrounding Daesh positions, they are not fooling anyone.
The fact that Germany tries their involvement a secret basically confirms that what they do is illegal activities.

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5y9dkz/an_informative_article_about_recent_developments/

Very insightful reading into how Turkey's trying to dismantle Rojava and also how SDF balances alliances with Russia, Assad and US.

Attacking the ES controlled territory would not count as attacking Turkey; the land is still part of Syria. Even if they tried to annex it, most people would not recognize it.

What is /rojava/ doing on page 11?

>twitter.com/moscow_ghost/status/839807243763712001

Russian military police patrolling west of Manbij

>twitter.com/nomadly00/status/839814678582804481

Russian military police exchanging patches with SDF MMC fighter

>twitter.com/mustefaebdi/status/839943572405293056

US military artillery/heavy weapons convoy to assist SDF Raqqa ops

>twitter.com/M1Massoud/status/839910332898344960

US convoy travelling from Qamishli to Raqqa. Interestingly Qamishli airport is still SAA-held so it might be indication of strenghtening US-Russia ties otherwise it might hhave came from Rmeilan base instead

The beginning of Raqqa's liberation will be upon us soon enough. I'm scared for the SDF but I also can't wait to see the Caliphate get its death knell.

youtube.com/watch?v=gcyo5HTY2rE&t=3m23s

lmao watch this clip of when US army officials try discuss Rojava's socialism

I want to see a reenactment of the red flag over Reichstag in Raqqa

I'll try and get a red flag up the minaret of the Raqqa museum for you, Heval.

IFB said they'll plant the LGBT in Raqqa after it's liberated after the Orlando attacks

No thanks

I love buttblasted americans that just know that they have no way around supporting the YPG as their FSA allies have been blasted to hell by AQ.

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Wow, no way

shitty MSpaint pictures were a mistake.

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The IFB is filled with people who are untrustworthy steelman-tier hoxhaists at worst and complete LARPer idiots at best.
I really would wish that the internationalist endeavours had been organized by more sensible people, and frankly I don't know how much the Democratic Confederalists of Rojava should trust groups like them and the MLKP, groups who both have maximal demands that fundementally differ from what Rojava seeks to achieve.

Retardation strikes again

fake and gay

twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/839865226929532929

hopefully the future looks like this

I heard Assad is pretty chummy at the moment with SDF in Manbij. Aren't you supposed to be chummy with your bull's mates?

kys retard

thehill.com/policy/defense/323215-mccain-predicts-train-wreck-between-us-turkey-kurds-in-syria

when will john mccain die jesus christ

no you kill yourself you fucking ethno imperialist faggot.

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watch as a white non-syrian first worlder advocates for NATO shills to set up an ethno state in syria against its actual population.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/10/syria-turkey-right-groups-accused-kurds-rojava-of-war-crimes.html

kill yourself imperialist fuck

hands off syria. that includes your 2% kurd population trying to create an israeli nato ethno state and calling it "democratic confederalism" as if its some sort of communist revolution by the actual syrian population.

ypg has plenty of arabs duder

Is your brain sludge leaking from your ears now?

What a fascinating string of buzzwords

Lol. I don't see tankies going to Syria and fight. Just screech and worship Assad on twitter like you fags always do.

Also don't forget that """"le great anti-imperialist"""" Russia and SAA is now supporting SDF in Manbij. Better follow after your idols fag

Who are the MLKP?

They just also support the YPG …

Hi I'm Tayipp Erdogan, and this is Jackass.

They support YPG not le great imperialist Assad like Mr. Retard here>>1457516

It's really telling that the only foreign volunteers on Assad's side apart from Shia Islamists (i.e. Hezbollah etc.) are literal fascists (Black Lily).

They are asking to be bombed.

Turkey is fucking wild. US Rangers are in Manbij as well. Could you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if they smoked them?

except the entire socialist spectrum of parties in syria remained in the NPF and supports assad critically and the literal fascists are in opposition to him

and talking about foreign support, look who's being US bootlickers and interventionism apologets yet again? liberals and "anarkiddies" as they like to call themself on here

on top, assad has no need for foreign volunteers. they have, unlike other factions in this war, the legal support of russia and the upper hand regardless

kiss your pipedream goodbye, your liberal US bootlickers in northern syria will have to pay for the proxy role they chose

got a link?

Socialist like the """"Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party"""" too right?


SSNP is the second largest part in Syrian parliament, you fucking retard.

and in opposition, fucking faggot.

You mean you are rationalising your cowardice lmao. If Assad truly didn't need foreign volunteers he wouldn't need Shia militias from Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan and wouldn't need support from Greek fascists


SDF is now being supported by both US and Russia. It seems you continue to ignore Russia's support because clashes with your retarded preconceived notions of le great anti-imperialism

The YPG also has an alliance with Russia and the SAA. They've been opportunisticly playing all sides in order to survive the war. They aren't US puppets.

Muh opposition. Which is why SSNP militias are supporting SAA and Ba'ath Brigades.

SAA's manpower, even with strictly enforced conscription, is a problem that's plagued them throughout the civil war. That's just objectively true. That's why they have shitloads of foreign Shia militias fighting for them.

How delusional can you get? Going full anarkiddy here.


1. They're in Opposition
2. They're not supporting Assad, they're fighting common enemies
3. The NPF is leading and includes all socialist parties

Get your facts straight, faggot

Moron.

Moron

Hey its daily tankie autism hour!

It's really fucking funny how tankie twitter autists haven't shown any reactions to the Manbij buffer agreement between SAA, SDF and Russia because it hurts their

the /rojava/ pattern:

chill discussion and updates
*RABID TURK SHITPOSTS*
chill discussion and updates
*RABID ISIS SUPPORTER SHITPOSTS*
chill discussion and updates
*RABID TANKIE SHITPOSTS*

etc

Still don't know how the ISIS supporter found this thread tbh

At least Turks and IS have very valid reasons to hate PYD.

Tankies, on the other hand, are fucking irrational. Their current """"anti-imperialist"""" idols such as Iran, Russia, Syrian government are ambivalent to mildly supportive of SDF, however, they are just foaming at the mouth every time for some reason

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Just checked again, Anarkiddies lying their ass off yet again.
SSNP nowhere near a relevant movement, it's basically non-existent.

Talking full out of their ass, can't keep up with their lies if you tried to.

Tankies have a valid reason to hate PYD as well.
They're cops.

im pretty sure that ISIS supporters are too busy getting rekt by the YPG or plotting half assed terrorist attacks that fail hilariously

I'm not an assadboo calling SDF nationalist or anything, but we should collectively stop using that shitty argument.
That's like going "DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S Republic of Korea".
Changing your name is a really easy way to say "look we're not nationalist!". The point is that the reason that PYD and affiliates aren't nationalist isn't because of their name or stated ideology. It's because the politics they've pursued have repeatedly been non-nationalist.


SDF is like 40% arab. And the PYD / communalist system has very widespread approval by the people.


Can somebody please do a comprehensive picture / post and screencap debunking that shitty Amnesty report?
I mean, there's that podcast (war nerds?) which is pretty good. And there's the response report from the YPG out there somewhere. One could easily stitch together a strong response, so we don't have to have this debate every time.


If this is actually true, as in actual Turkish Army forces killing SAA forces, then shit might go down.

I'm wrong about SSNP's composition in Syrian parliament but fact remains that they are the second strongest party on the ground (excluding PYD)

OTOH would you admit that you are wrong regarding Russian support for PYD


or are you still going to ignore it?

In the Council the antirevisionist ML party alone has 8 while the SSNP only got 4 seats, this is ridiculous to even mention them and pretending they're "supporting Assad" in any meaningful way.

Full blown anarkiddy damage control for yet again being US bootlicker apologists.

what if the "assad is my real dad" tankies are cops? they are divisive and spend most of their time attacking other leftists for not being pure enough.

twitter.com/Jacm212/status/769222034324910080

twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/772439518569955329

Moron

twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/837469780902883328

twitter.com/SSNPSY/status/832243005755105280

Brainlet

It's pretty easy to ignore that as a tankie because they're not supporters of Russia. The argument is that accepting American imperialist help has historically been a strong indicator of being either a puppet or being strongly influenced by American interests.
This point holds no matter what or who Russia supports.

What you're poking at in their view is that they always tote this view as being somehow anti-imperialist, but that isn't the point. The point is specifically about American intervention.
Your post points out that insisting that the above view is anti-imperialist is contradictory with their acceptance of Russian support. Which might be true, but doesn't actually address their concerns about the SDF.

That's a fair point to make. But as of now, there have been no changes within DFNS that can attributable to American influence/pressure. The entities that they have established and are using before American intervention in 2014 is the same as post-American intervention

In fact, in some ways they are subverting US training program. See:

> washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/us-military-aid-is-fueling-big-ambitions-for-syrias-leftist-kurdish-militia/2017/01/07/6e457866-c79f-11e6-acda-59924caa2450_story.html?utm_term=.03190a1849d6


‘We don’t want confederalism just for Kurds, but for all Syria, and even all of the Middle East,” he said. “We don’t recognize geographical borders between this area and that.”

“What is the role of the state in the democratic nation?” one recruit asked.

“There is no state,” Heso ­replied. “The state is an instrument of oppression.”

“What’s the difference between ‘democratic nation’ and the slogans of the Baath Party?” asked another recruit, referring to the party of President Bashar al-
Assad that has ruled Syria for the past four decades.

The difference, the instructor explained, is that the Baath Party favors Arabs, whereas Ocalan’s theories apply to all ethnic and religious groups.

So what I overlooked is that being supported by Russia should also then be an indicator that they're beholding to Russian interests, but since Russian and American interests are in conflict, they can't be both Russian and American puppets.

But that's a really weak argument as well in face of the actual response one should hold in face of tankie retardation wrt American support of SDF:
Accepting support simply doesn't mean that you're completely beholden to the interests of those supporting you.
Wars are complex, and interests overlap and change. Support is also not unconditional, support is determined by those conflicts and overlaps in interest, and are mostly issue specific.

it's natural to have some skepticism about anything America touches but much of the hostility directed at SDF from this angle comes from a hypothetical situation where the SDF are complete puppets of the US and are agitating for separatism or overthrowing the Syria. Regarding the former point, the recent deal with SAA and Russia re Manbij shows SDF are a fully autonomous organisation that are willing to make new friendships if the coalition isn't benefiting their goals. And regarding the former, SDF and their political wing have always affirmed that they seek to preserve the sanctity of Syria and that they want to work with the Syria government for reforms and changes which they think will benefit the whole of Syria. They've turned down the limited proposals of cultural autonomy by the Russians because their goals are national.

All of this anti imperialist bluster is based off a hypothetical future that whilst not impossible, the present situation suggests is unlikely. SAA and SDF have had clashes but for the most part enjoy tacit cooperation and relatively friendly neutrality.

latter sorry

I completely agree with you, and I think your response to the tankie critique is a good one.
That source is good, but it still only demonstrates intent. A critique one could make of your response is to say something along the lines of:

I don't actually think that either the first point or the second point are the case, but one could reasonably hold these beliefs and I think it's on us to prove them wrong.

top lel

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tfw tankies try to justify an arab ethno state by painting the kurds as guest that should be happy that they are tollerated

Can someone give me a QUICK RUNDOWN on Democratic Northern Syria? Are they true socialist? How is labor and other things organized?

Yet they're out there on the frontlines meanwhile you're being a little faggot bitch on the internet

lel kys u monkey man


What is life?


Alot of MLKP party members aren't even ML themselves


Fuck your mother, you didn't grow up under ba'ath rule.

ok
Depends on what you mean by socialist. If you mean in the marxist sense of being a society not operating under the law of value then no. If you mean in the sense of having widespread socialized economy then somewhat. If you mean in the sense of having eliminated private property then not really. If you mean in the sense of moving towards a better society through reasonable critique of, and political engagement with property rights and other systemic (material, ideological and cultural) power structures, then yes, in my opinion.
Many different ways, a lot is cooperatized (exactly how much is up for some debate, but most I've heard are way beyond 50%), but the economy is mostly under market distribution. There's also a significant war economy. It's also hard to judge how the economy will look in just the near future, since right now they're operating under an almost complete embargo.

Slightly-longer-but-still-not-an-entire-book reading on the subject:
General, and on the nature of the revolution: novaramedia.com/2017/02/01/a-real-revolution-is-a-mass-of-contradictions-interview-with-a-rojava-volunteer/
Economy specifically (Written by Bookchins wife): biehlonbookchin.com/rojavas-threefold-economy/

Greetings from Euphrates Shield, my Communist friends!

Greetings from Lice, Turkey. MAKE KURDS ARABIZED AGAIN!

Don't worry though, we celebrated International Women's Day by being equal opportunists as well!

Dumb turkroach

First to fight for the reds and the fags.
Now your going home in bags.
And your army goes on marching to Hell!

Something tells me you don't like equal opportunity. Don't you know what we're fighting for? Feminism and Cuckoldry!

What did they mean by this?

Roach

I think they may be able to walk it off

lol at the turkroach US-cuck

INTO
THE
TRASH

Daily reminder you wouldn't have a square foot of land if it wasn't for America bailing your sorry asses out in northern Iraq and Syria.

Now you cowards whored yourselves out to Russia and the Regime! Sad!

…do you think the people posting here are literally in northern Syria?

This is almost stragely beautiful.
They died fighting to be free. Their bodies has expired, but through their Will, they have changed the world in totality forever.

It makes me reflect on death. Perhaps it is true that in a very real way, Matyrs never die, for they have imprinted upon the psychosphere, the collective social biosphere of humanity, forever.

And to that, I say Long Live.

watch out for them helicopters roach

Roach

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Come on dude, Rojava is mostly muslim too don't sink to that level

Fuck your spooks

Indeed.
But ideas do not have bloodlines.

As you have already pointed out, plenty of non-kurds participate in the SDF, to the point where kurds are no longer the majority.
So fighting the SDF will mostly mean fighting arabs.
Those who have the courage to lead themselves rather than to bow down to masters.
Those who have taken liberty has their love, democracy as their guiding light.

And now, those ideas are bulletproof.
And they get stronger for each matyr you gift us with.

Lol what? It's not about spooks to say that you're not specifically insulting the roach with that. It has fuck all to do with me.

Also fucking lol at posting spooked to hell Bakunin

It's some random shitposter on an imageboard, not an actual PKK fighter. How are you this retarded?

Lol most muslims don't even agree with your autism, now fuck off

Indeed. Those who fight for what they believe in change this world. And so those who appreciate life, freedom and liberty, must stand against those who worship death, those who long for the afterlife, and seek to be subservient slaves in this life and the next.


Again, all the non-kurdish members of the SDF, which appearently form the majority now, proves otherwise.

That Allah is a child molester and alao fucks goats?

Removed butthurt roach posting dead PKK

I bet you don't even know anything about them

just off yourself.

How do you mean? Which positions are Germany informing people of, and to whom?

Being opposition to the government does not make one insane user. Ideologically they are far closer aligned with Assad than the shades of Islamist the opposition represents.

No you haven't nigger. Your the one who is butthurt, I enjoy showing you guys the reality of the situation.


Take your freedom to be a sodomite,extortionist,faggot and other degenerate and corrosive elements to the Hell that your comrades are in.

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WHY CAN'T I HOLD ALL THESE DEAD COCKROACH COMMUNISTS?

Lmao what a faggot

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t. moderate muslim

Shout out to based mods

Killing Marxists is an act of worship :)

Wait are you telling me people die in war???? Whoaaa

Hey its rabid ISIS supporter shitposting hour!

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Just cleaning out the trash, I like to post these pictures to the families of PKK members that are killed. Pro tip: When you make a memorial, don't link their facebergs/twitters

Half the sit you've posted has been ISIS/Al-q victims. Strap on a pair and go join your brethren. Assad will deal wit them soon so you better be quick.

No they volunteered to fight a futile war in the interests of Capitalist NATO. Good job, they died so America can have more shekels.

ALHAMDULILLAH

This one is beautiful.

ABSOLUTELY
CRUCIFIED

He'll walk it off, he's okay.

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My point was that the source of what you are posting is ISIS scummers. We know for a fact that they do the same to women and children.

So you've either let your hatred for Kurds drive you to cheering the acts of ISIS or, as I suspect, you sympathise with their ideology.n Which brings me back to my earlier advice, go join them. You won't be missed. Not even your whore mother.

No one will miss these NATO Capitalist pawns, that's for sure hahahaha

When daddy NATO's airstrikes won't come in:

The evil of the Communists is coming to an end.

His point is that you're cheering for Mossad and Al-CIAda dumbass. Congrats

Lol no, fuck Assad too. You're just delusional.

woohoo, hes gone

Putin and Erdogan had a meeting today and it seems like Erdogan autistically screeched about YPG for the whole thing.

what if that guy is sponsored by some agent of the Turkish government?

basnews.com/index.php/en/news/world/335527

why are Germany being so subservient to Erdogan

they are in permament sub mode because they got ripped in 2 last time they got uppity

They're counting on him to slow refugee's flow.

turkey plays a big part in the refugee flow into europe.

ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/TR/OHCHR_South-East_TurkeyReport_10March2017.pdf

newly released human rights report on the war in Bakur after the peace talks broke down.

>twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/840262336816566276

Another day, another Russian wearing a YPG patch

inb4 le great anti-imperialist Russia wouldn't support le US NATO ethnoimperialist scum

>twitter.com/markito0171/status/840241624106094593

SAA being treated in Manbij hospitals

inb4 they will get poisoned by le ethnoimperialist NATO scum

I wonder. Has Phil Greaves gotten a stroke yet? This must be pretty hard on him.

summary?

on as an aside, I have no idea what PKK were thinking with the trench warfare in cities business. The resistance was heroic but it was always going to end in failure, and it did.

We'll see how failed it is when everyone who had their family murdered decides to fight back. Turkey is basically doing the PKK's recruitment for them. This is like if all the Jihadis the US created with their wars and dronestrikes weren't a world away but instead lived in the Midwest.

What is with the Turkish state and its predisposition towards genocide?
Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Kurds, etc.


Goes about to show how clueless Erdogan really is. If he hadn't botched the peace process he could have rolled into Syria with much less interference. Now when he tries to take chunks of Syria he won't just end up fighting the Syrian government (it's obvious the detente cant last), but also Rojava and the PKK.

Yes, but unlike the U.S.with Jihadists. Turkey is actually not afraid of genociding the Kurdish nation if a full scale Turk / Kurd Civil War breaks out.

Look at the how the Armenian population rose up all together gainst the Turks and got rekt and expelled.

I'm telling you dude, the Turks.. they dont give a fuck about prestige or about what other nations think of them.

They will fucking kill you, and no one will care.

Yeah but, you cant also ignore the fact about the amount of terrorism used against Turkish people. On the other i can understand aswell.

Its just their retarded Ultra nationalism that causes more hate than the actions of Erdogan.

Erdogan could've prevented Rojava from ever happening if he intervened with the Turkish Army when ISIS was hammering at the gates of Kobani. But he didn't, because a lot of Turkey was quite happy to see events in Kobani unfolding against YPG and the US stepped in in their absence. Thus a new alliance was formed and Rojava grew exponentially

The Turkish mentality goes: hmmm, the minorities are upset. Should we a) try caring for them and ease their worries or b) slaughter them in enough numbers that they're no longer a problem. Even though the 'b' option is far less practical and more time and money consuming they seem to consistently opt for it.

I remember a Turkish Redditor put it quite well:

You forgot Option C:

Pretend the problem simpely doesnt exsist.

Can someone explain to me why the SSNP is bad?

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Except literally having to fear genocide makes people a whole lot more willing to fight back. Instead of the fighters just being people with nothing to lose there'll also be people with plenty to lose and knowing if they fail they will lose it. Turkey hammering down on the HDP will just reinforce to the Kurds that a peaceful liberation is impossible.

Rojava could be a considered a libertarian turd position society. If anything the SSNP is more anti idpol since they support pan Syrianism for Semites and non Semites, just for people who live in the Levant.

Ethnic Turks are aging while Kurds have much higher birthrates

TC is fighting a losing battle in the long-run

talk about an oxymoron

A lot of people here are already pretty 3rd position.


They are. Both anti-marxist and anti-liberal.


They aren't. They are non-sectarian, and anti-imperialist in the original sense.

(from their website)

"Fourth Reform Principle: The abolition of feudalism, the organization of national economy on the basis of production and the protection of the rights of labour and the interests of the nation and the state. "

archive.is/jIqe8

So yeah. Not bad.

What's going to happen after Assad clears out the opposition?

I really doubt he's willing to risk another civil war against the SDF.

Sad!

" Put bluntly, nationalisms are regressive atavisms that the Enlightenment tried to overcome long ago. They introject the worst features of the very empires from which oppressed peoples have tried to shake loose. Not only do they typically reproduce state-machines that are as oppressive as the ones that colonial powers imposed on them, but they reinforce those machines with cultural, religious, ethnic, and xenophobic traits that are often used to foster regional and even domestic hatreds and subimperialisms. No less important, in the absence of genuine popular democracies the sequelae of understandably anti-imperialist struggles too often include the strengthening of imperialism itself, such that the powers that have been seemingly dispossessed of their colonies can now play the state of one former colony against that of another, as witness the conflicts that ravage Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent. These are the areas, I may add, where nuclear wars will be more likely to occur as the years go by than elsewhere in the world. The development of an Islamic nuclear bomb to countervail an Israeli one or of a Pakistani bomb to countervail an Indian one ―all portend no good for the South and its conflict with the North. Indeed, the tendency for former colonies to actively seek alliances with their erstwhile imperialist rulers is now a more typical feature of North-South diplomacy than is any unity by the South against the North.

Nationalism has always been a disease that divided human from human ―”abstract” as traditional Marxists may consider this notion to be― and it can never be viewed as anything more than a regression toward tribal parochialism and the fuel for intercommunal warfare. Nor have the “national liberation” struggles that have produced new states throughout the “Third World” and in Eastern Europe impaired the expansion of imperialism or eventuated in fully democratic states. That the “liberated” peoples of the Stalinist empire are less oppressed today than they were under Communist rule should not mislead us into believing that they are also free from the xenophobia that nearly all nation-states cultivate or from the cultural homogenization that capitalism and its media produce."

As much as I like demcon, a classless society will not be born from it.
Exceptional individuals will by their nature command more influence and a higher share of the resources.
It's also market based and not moneyless. And it allows for capital accumulation.

It's in essence not or even anti-communist, even if it's using socialist and liberation symbolism. Now this either might not be fashionable to admit, or maybe it isn't self-evident. Either way it's fine. We have too many utopian ideologies anyway.


Humans will always be divided, if only by the property of being individuals. Likewise the competition over resources and the conflict that creates is more or less inevitable.
Again, this is an example of an utopianist streak that isn't even desirable.

Without war and conflict Rojava wouldn't even exist in the first place. War is cultivator of renewal. Like fire that breathes new life into the forest, clearing the suffocated landscape and giving new room for life to proliferate.

To put it more bluntly: Fuck peace.

Have you even read any Bookchin or Apo?
top meme. much wew.
Why are you even using that flag when you know nothing of the ideology that governs it?

necessity of*

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That might be the desire, but it's not realistic under a market system.
Think of it this way: If one cooperative is sitting on a cornucopia of natural wealth, like the many oil and gas fields in Syria, and the other is just a collective wheat farm, who would you expect to accumulate more wealth in the end?
Even if that cooperative isn't "dominating" the others, even if such a relation isn't seen as necessary, those with wealth will form soon form a muh privileged economic elite. The one safeguard here is that resources are managed and "owned" locally. So a wealthy cooperative can't use it's wealth to directly acquisition another as would happen under existing capitalism. No corporations here. But capital accumulation and the de facto conditions for class creation that it brings remain.

That's exactly what happens though. Hierarchy is not just a product of domination, but also ability.
Those with charisma will take on leading roles as representatives, those with great intellect will command more respect among academic circles, those with leadership abilities will find themselves in charge of military affairs, etc. Per the iron law of oligarchy, an aristocracy of merit is inevitable. No vanguard necessary.

I've read both, though I admit I'm probably not as well read as you are. I just have a slightly less utopian view of the project and both ideologies.

I'll reiterate my previous point


See pic related. Source is the Ecology of Freedom
Bookchin's essay on nationalism and Apo's "Democratic Confederalism" don't count. Read Ecology of Freedom and Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization, not necessarily in that order.

Hell, B historically just made things were on the ethnic minority front! Large chunks of kurdish turkey were previously armenian turkey after all.

Probably be forced to grant autonomy to SDF-held territory at the least. Russia doesn't like the war and probably don't like that they had to bail out Assad so many times. That's one reason why they're probably so keen on being friendly and helpful to the SDF, and also because they might see SDF as having a significant future and would like to be on their good side instead of on the West's; they know they weren't going to influence or control Saudi-backed rebels but organic, non-aligned rebels are an open opportunity.

Any chance of an independent Rojava after how much they destroyed Daesh?

Independent as in separated from Syria? Probably not unless Assad goes full retard and attacks them. But very likely autonomic. If Assad attacks Russia probably wouldn't help him and would try to secure a peace. Turkey is hard to see. The SDF and SAA will probably drive them out of Syria soon, but it's hard to see what they'll do, especially once Daesh is defeated and the West no longer gives a fuck about Rojava.

I think they future is looking good for them, since the alternative would be more major wars. But fuck, Erdogan is insane enough to start WWIII over Kurd-hate and neo-Ottomanism.

Germany moves to ban YPG logo
aranews.net/2017/03/germany-bans-logo-us-ally-ypg-ocalan-pictures/

God, I fucking hate the CDU.

Germany just can't get enough of authoritarian cock. Their hunger is fucking insatiable.

Rolled 1 + 1 (1d1)

how can one country be so cucked

germany has a growing turkish population with dual loyalty

How do we answer the Turkish Question? Are all Turks subversive? I think it's worth considering.

PYD has lots of Turkish allies.

Turkish German diaspora fucking lives AKP and Erdogan too.

I know, just shitposting. I think within the next 20 years Kurds and allied Turks are going to BTFO the roaches.

I think this article sums it up the strategy of the Turkish state which aims at ruthless total annihilation of any resistance

rojavasolidarityworldwide.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/the-sri-lanka-model-in-northern.html

There's method to the madness.

fucking hell germany, stop sucking turkeys cock.

What do you mean? How are the PKK's tactics and strategy different now then they were previously and why is it not working?

user this is a fantastic piece. The Tamil Tigers are a group that I've always been fascinated by and had a bit of an affinity for despite them not being the kindest of customers. The events that happened at the end of the Sri Lankan Civil War at the hands of the Sri Lankan army is some of the most horrific shit of the 21st century. And the post war effort has been awful too. Traditionally Tamil areas are fully militarised, tons of disappearances, soldiers using Tamil women as rape slaves… it's horrifying. I wise the international community would pay more attention because it's that kind of ignorance that is letting it happen. I hope it never comes to that with our Kurdish friends in Turkey and Syria, but as the article says it's clear Turkey is intent on pursuing its own "Sri Lanka solution".

That map is exaggerated

The trench warfare system in urban centers is essentially a conventional war, rather than a guerilla one. They could've never hoped to win in any real sense. YDG-H and YPS were the groups involved in the fighting, and they're not explicitly PKK. They're PKK affiliated youth from the cities they're fighting in. PKK stay up in the mountains and don't really fight in urban centers. Their tactics are a lot more guerilla, making use of snipers, IEDs, raids and ambushes. They've been around for like 30 years so they're one of the most advanced and effective guerilla groups ever I'd say. The whole trench warfare thing struck me as uncharacteristically short term thinking, but it could be that we'll see the long term benefits in the future.

youtube.com/watch?v=Bwe4msjHCXs

Vice did a good documentary on YDG-H. Unfortunately not much journalism comes out of Bakur, and the journalists involved in making this later got arrested by Turkey for "terrorism propaganda" or some shit.

Have you seen it debunked before? It's areas which will supposedly be majority Kurdish.

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Why do these people hate labeling maps? It was only after I posted mine I noticed.

ur dumb as dirt son

Neither map has a year on them.
Stay dumb nigger.

How can a society survive if its academics lack intellect and its generals lack leadership? You need meritocracy, limited of course by strong democratic structures. If you don't support meritocracy you're in the position of the strawman who thinks doctors should earn as much as bricklayers.


It baffles me that Germans are OK with their government infringing free expression like this. And for such a transparently ignoble reason too.

Hi my Communist friends, I have returned to give you the news of your Communist stronghold in Lice. The brave Turkish military has slaughtered dozens of you, and will continue to until the PKK is exterminated off of the face of the map. God is with us, and He is invincible. Enjoy Hellfire! ;)

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These are from last 48 hours.

All the other holy posts are from the last two years.

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Why are Kurds so bad at fighting? tbqh

Why have you been boxed in by dirt farmers, roach?

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If they were farmers, they would be farming, they wouldn't be fighting for American interests and dying for absolutely nothing ;)

appreciate the way of jihadist roach friend has his filenames so neatly labelled

bit strange to have 100+ pictures of dead bodies on your hardrive but turks gonna turk

Death to Communists.
Death to false equality.
Death to feminism.
Death to faggotry.

Your end is coming, Turkish F-16s will purify the land with fire.

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Whatever you say, Zionist imperialist. Erdogan is a Jewish agent helping his Mossad ISIS and you know it.

INTO
THE
TRASH

Glory to the heroes of Euphrates Shield!

ABSOLUTELY /TRASHED/

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Literally fought and died for cuckoldry, lived like a cuckold and died like a cuckold..

Nice ISIS flag, Mehmet. Could you not afford the dye for the Turkish one?

Really makes you think.

Rolled 3, 3, 5, 2, 3 = 16 (5d5)

Hey legit question here.
Are You sponsored by any group that opposes the Kurds?
Turkish government? Turkish puppet rebels? Al-Nusra? ISIS?

and what's your Ideology alignment?
or your brothers?

so they are actively fighting.
wow.

martyrdom operation yourself you jihadi fuck

Uhmmmm…
If I'm not mistaken the Kurds are majority Sunni aren't you killing your brothers?
hey if your brothers are on the battlefront they should dedicate a time stamp to Holla Forums and see if its real they can conceal their identity and disclose their location for their own security but it would be neat to see if it's true.

Only the Stalinists in here support the SAA.
but it's sad to watch the corpses of those fallen warriors any way.

Most people here would pick SAA over jihadists though.

hey you didn't respond my questions:


also don't you have bigger resolution and size images?
some are thumb nails only.

I would to but I'm not even comfortable mentioning it.

ok that's interesting.
but isnt there a way you could reconcile all those tribes through your shared religious beliefs?

HDP (socialist party) are the most popular party in Kurdish regions of Turkey.

How do ISIS/Al Nusra types even find this place? Why would you argue for jihadism on a board called leftypol?
A+ lel. Had a good chuckle.


Thx, will do.


Why limit meritocracy? Would you shackle athletes or blind artists? It's important that workers own the means of production. But beyond that I don't see why it's undesirable for some people to have much more influence than others, even to the point of forming their own cadre of elites.
The problem with the ML vanguard isn't so much a vanguard of accomplished individuals, it's that it's just a bureaucratic class of quasi-capitalists. Oligarchy is inevitable, but we can make it based (mostly) on merit rather than the whims of some party official.

Do you guys think the latent support Russia and the US gives to the Kurds (recognition of them and at least keeping military contacts with them) will keep the chauvinistic Turkish campaign against them in check?

byline.com/column/57/article/1282

Cemil Bayik talks about why they did the trench warfare in cities business in this interview.

He's probably just a LARPing Holla Forumstard.

By 'limit' I just mean that there need to be mechanisms to strip people of authority if they abuse it. Power needs to ultimately lie with the people.

d a n k

That just delegates final authority to another corruptible individual or group. After all, who keeps the people in check that keep the people with power in check? Even courts and constitutions can become corrupted or simply ignored.
Better have a system where localized corruption and abuse doesn't affect the whole much, and limit it's ability to spread.

Who else is final authority to rest with, if not the people (i.e., with everyone and no one)? And corruption is clearly more of a worry with someone who exercises authority than with someone who does not.

My dude, you must look into Arendtian social contract theory. In a Aristotelian conception of government, what is a part of the undividable whole of the management of the polis is the conception of what the Greeks called paideia. That is, the process of communalization through the education of the ideal member of the polis. And of course there is the relevance of ethics, and more specifically the sort of Nicomachean Ethics in which the citizens of the polis become so through an ethical solidarity with their fellow citizens for living the "good life".

There's more to it too, than just what I've read here. But there is actually an enormous amount of nuance both sutle and overt in Bookchin's dialectical naturalism.

Nationalism and communalism work quite well together.

wtf i hate rojava now

Ocalan's approach to nationalism is quite interesting and in a big way anti-national:
dissentmagazine.org/blog/an-imprisoned-nationalist-reads-benedict-anderson
thenation.com/article/benedict-andersons-view-of-nationalism/

Every time lmao

Left wing nationalism is a good thing. It can be seen in the Basque independence movement, the black panthers, the IRA, the Lebanese National Resistance Front,the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, and Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

It helps increase increase secularism and care toward fellow citizens.

Pretty sure all the Assad-loving Syrians are upper class bougies too. Explains how willfully ignorant they are of what Assad's Syria was like for the majority of civilians who didn't have money or connections.

The sentiment of these people towards Kurds is always that "these people are visitors and not part of our country, they should be glad we tolerate them at all". What matters most is the opinion of the people of Northern Syria. Most of them aren't shitposting on twitter though.

developed in great part along the lines Marx suggested in his closing chapters of the first volume of Capital: as an economy whose very law of life is accumulation, concentration, and expansion. When it can no longer develop along these lines, it will cease to be capitalism. This follows from the very logic of commodity exchange, with its expression in competition and technological innovation.

ones. Where Marxism tends to overorganize people into parties, unions, and proletarian “armies” guided
by elitist leaders, anarchism eschews organization and leaders as “vanguards” and celebrates
revolutionism as an instinctive impulse unguided by reason or theory. Where Marxism celebrates
technological advances, without placing them in a rational, ethical, and ecological context, anarchism
deprecates sophisticated technics as the demonic parent of the “technocratic man,” who is lured to
perdition by reason and civilization. Technophilia has been pitted against technophobia; analytical reason against raw instinct; and a synthetic civilization against a presumably primeval nature.

Marxism and anarchism for the present time and for the future that is coming into view. In an era of
permanent technological revolution, the validity of a theory and a movement will depend profoundly on how clearly it can see what lies just ahead.

Daily reminder that Communalism is the future and Anarchism and Marxism belong in the dustbin of history

hahaha now Turkey is calling the Dutch Nazis and the Dutch have banned the Turkish ministers plane from coming or something

they're picking fights with everyone

The Dutch didn't just ban her. She tried sneaking over from Germany, so the Dutch stopped her convoy, took her off her armoured escort, and escorted her out the country.

based dutch

Why did you list loads of failed movements(except maybe IRA) that just created another capitalist state once they got independence?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

how do i join the YPG?
Thanks.

Best thing about the whole Netherlands Turkey thing is the the Turks in the Netherlands calling the Dutch fascists whilst throwing up Grey Wolf salutes on the street

It's going to be funnier when their little glorious uprising causes Wilders to make a comeback in the polls and he bans dual citizenships.

ypg-international.org/contact/

Great piece, everybody read this.

anfenglish.com/news/manbij-democratic-civilian-administration-council-takes-office

Manbij starting to grow into democratic confederalism too now. It always takes a bit of adjustment before it really kicks off.

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twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/841023121972985862

ty vlad-same

B-but I thought the the ethnoimperialist US bootlickers wouldn't be supported by le great anti-imperialist Russia? My tankie comrades told me so on twitter

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/12-march-leaked-footage-appears-to-show-an-instance-of-torture

first bit of torture I've ever seen documented at the hands of SDF. any these idiots will undoubtedly be prosecuted for this

did neoliberalism create the syrian civil war?

Thank you for documenting yourself doing despicable abuse of another human being.
Fuck them.
Is it known what group they belong to? I assume it is since it doesn't seem clear from the clip itself that they're SDF.
Does anybody know what the context of that clip is? Is he a PoW?

YPG admitted that some of their units probably mistreated and shot ISIS POWs before but that they try to stop that. First time its documented though afaik(If the shown man is indeed ISIS). Lets hope this gets dealt with appropriatly.

probably one of the Raqqa FSA groups within SDF, they've been a bit unruly and annoying so far.

the guy is likely an ISIS fighter or ISIS sympathiser.

They speak arabic (i.e arab SDF members). I don't understand why it is bad to hurt a daesh member. They're all dogs who deserve much worse than this. I've read one or two articles about fighters admitting to summary executions of daesh, I don't see how that's bad either.

Murder doesn't stop being murder regardless of who it's done to. If Daesh is bad then one should try to be as different as them as possible.

Ethics are an important, indeed inseparable, part of Ocalan's philosophy.

Unpopular opinion, but I agree.
Hardcore islamists are of no benefit to Syria or the revolution. Though it's better for now if they were just put to work to free up potential recruits.

This is total war. And Rojava is already strained heavily under the load of IDP. Add to that ten-thousands of prisoners to manage and clothe once the last ISIS holdings are crushed, and it's just going to be a huge burden.
Society is better off without people that approve of what ISIS has been doing.


The question to be asked is, what benefit is keeping people like this in society? They're at best a fifth column, and at worst a continuous strain on the revolution and the people of Syria.


They are, unmistakably.
Except these people don't care about that at all. When given the chance they'd have no qualms about wiping out anyone that doesn't conform to their madness. They'd sell Rojava's women and girls off as sexslaves to foreign sheiks, level it's cities, fill the mass graves with its old and young.
There is little benefit keeping such people as members of society, or wasting valuable time - that could be spend on reconstruction - on reeducating people that think genocide and raping children is okay.

Since the dawn of Islam this particular brand - then called the Khawarij - has stoked nothing but misery, civil wars and rampant destruction. Syria and the middle east wouldn't be at loss without them.

And it's for you to decide whether they should be murdered or not?

If you only care about the people who benefit society then you should probably go ahead and remove the crippled, the retarded, criminals, etc. What is right doesn't stop being what is right when it's not convenient. People, individuals are the only thing that matters, and to sacrifice them for some intangible concept like "society" is actually what leads to the downfall of a society.
So ethics don't need to be applied to unethical people?
And you think you remove them by murdering them all? How has that tactic worked so far? How has your tactic of brutality and violence trying to solve brutality and violence worked so far?

It's up to whoever is in control. Power entitles you to decisions. And if it were up to them, we'd be dead. Don't forget that.

Why shouldn't I or anyone be expected to at least be able to sustain ourselves? However, I won't put "benefit" purely in terms of economic productivity. Someone elderly that takes care of his or her grandchildren is also being productive in their own way. Likewise the family of an impaired individual can be net productive. I'm not a nazi.
Threatening to kill thousands of people however for no reason other than not agreeing with your very-particular-very-radical-snowflake-brand-of-islam is the absolute antithesis of that.

Except we share different values.

It happens all the time. Collateral damage in warfare. Economic exploitation. Forced conscription. Sometimes you need to cut of an arm to the save the body, or force people to fight for their own survival. The decadent west rarely has to make these existential life-and-death decisions, but it just outsources its exploitation to the developing world.

To put it bluntly? Yes. It's kill or be killed. They've made that pretty clear over the past fourteen centuries.

In many cases it's works pretty well. If you kill your enemies, you actually win.

Except it's not about solving brutality and violence. It's about survival.

For all that Daesh has done, he deserves the strapaddo/beat down. This might even know this person to be a war-criminal. At worst they should be reprimanded for lack of discipline.

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Take off that flag

Probably good that it's an Arab SDF member torturing that ISIS guy because you can be sure if he was Kurdish it'd framed as ethnic thing and we'd get another amnesty report about how Kurds are committing genocide

Is it Daeshfag shitposting hour already?

Anyone who joins Daesh has, by that action, renounced to his human rights, imo

Nothin personnel, kid.

Leave yezidis alone you cunts

YBS is Baghdad, thats the joke.

Just don't fucking kill people unless you absolutely have to. War is war, I agree. That's why I'm not making posts telling the SDF to lay down arms and just do a meeting with ISIS. But this video is not war. This video is pure abuse.
Even if daesh is scum of the earth, even to the point of being subhuman (which I don't believe but whatever), I would still hold contempt for that, just like I hold contempt for people who torture or murder animals.
AND EVEN THEN if you absolutely have to kill them, don't fucking tortue people. Just put a bullet through their head and get it over with.

Yeah, they should've just killed every german who supported the Nazi party or the regime in any way. And it honestly would have been no ethical problem on my shoulder if they'd tortured them while doing it.

You can't just say
And then go
Such a basic and childish utilitarianism. You're being called an edgelord because you display ethical understanding like that of a 14-yearold.

That might justify imprisoning them at length and/or for life. Don't fucking torture them. One should give them the sligtest bit of dignity that any concious being should expect.


Yes you fucking are. You're saying that the reason to keep elderly alive is because they're able to take care of children or otherwise be productive and/or have a net productive effect. Fuck off, or at the very least stop calling yourself a leftist.
Measuring and basing your ethics on 'net productivety' is such a fucking ridiculous ethics that I can't believe I'm actually bothering even discussing this with you.
I hope you're a young individual who is not so ingrained in your beliefs that you can't rescind them at a later point in your life.

So? You share different values with your neighbor. You share different values with your dog. You share different values with your own child. That doesn't justify treating them differently.
Life and society isn't the measure of who's within your ethical sphere and who's outside of it. That's the exact nationalist bullshit that nazi's espout.

You and I don't have to justify this though, just because they happen out of necessity. Being critical of that which is the state of the world is exactly the role that leftists and leftist politics should take upon itself.
Also, don't make torture or murder out to be this hardnecked well concidered decision of realpolitik. That shit amounts to defending hideous behavior by saying "defending the revolution" or "fighting counter-revolutionaries" akin to Russia almost exactly a century ago.

What's going on in that video is not kill or be killed.

This is not about survival. We're talking about murdering and/or torturing PoWs, which by definition is not about survival. None of us are talking about fighting a war in the general sense.


Neck yourself you fucking idiot.

Nice kindergarten indoctrination. If there's an invading terrorist force the defenders have to kill them. I get that violence is bad to you, living in a first world bubble, but in the real world you need to kill bad people.

Ẇhy does everybody think we're critiquing him for supporting killing daesh in a war?
Understand the argument before you start posting you fucking moron.
Torture and cold blooded murder =! defense or war

u dumb

I'm not the one who posted that, but he was responding to a guy saying it was okay to torture PoWs if they were daesh.
That's not the situation you were describing. Own up to the view and defend it (That torturing people is okay as long as their views are sufficiently reactionary) if that's the one you actually hold, because it's the one you're defending right now by calling people who don't hold that view kindergarten indoctrinators who live outside of the real world.

twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/841360879614603264

twitter.com/NatDefFor/status/841361443878506496

oh shit

twitter.com/yousufsyedkhan/status/841343052509777920

the ethnic cleansing meme has been put to rest

Although the ethnic cleansing bullshit has been propaganda for day one (The amnesty report itself never even makes this claim iirc), hopefully this means that it won't ever have to play in as a factor in diplomatic negotiations and later relations.

Literally a bootlicker attitude. I find it hard you can be that spooked.
That's not what this argument is about. It's about the legitimacy of murder and torture.
So, you only need to be ethical if the only person holds the exact same ethics? What's the point then, why even have ethics?
Real collateral damage is an unfortunate side effect of war, and one reason why it's so harmful and is something the YPG does their best to avoid, unlike Turkey or Daesh; "collateral damage" i.e. killing dozens of civilians so you could get one "terrorist" is just a way to excuse murder because you're too lazy to prevent it.
As leftists something we're trying to end.
As leftists something we should be trying to end.
Don't use euphemisms. You're saying sometimes it's necessary and good to murder people for "society". Logically if you're for that you should be willing to kill anyone, even innocent, if it could somehow benefit society.
It's not kill or be killed when the person is a PoW or safely in prison.
The West's wars in the ME against Islamic terrorism would say otherwise, or Turkey's war against the PKK.
That sounds like something a Fascist would say. The SDF isn't solely concerned with survival, they're also concerned with creating a better world, that's the difference between them and the SAA.

Someone doesn't stop being human no matter what they've done or who they are. When you start ignoring that you become closer to the mindset that drives Daesh.

Not only does it not work like that, it's also completely disregarding why they join. They could be a conscript, a kid whose family was killed, a depressed, alienated man with nothing to lose who wants to become a suicide bomber, a person raised and surrounded by brutality and hate so much that it becomes an integral part of him. It's easy to ignore the people behind the masks and AKs, but if you ever want to make the world a better place and prevent people like this from existing, you can't fall into the same trap of dehumanizing and refusing to empathize.


Having to kill to defend yourself and others is not the same as deliberately murdering someone because you think they deserve it.

Those Arabs broke discipline. That's it. People have humanity by their ability to hate Daesh morons. it would honestly be more worrisome if people could suffer everything ISIS has done to them, and not want to torture them. Daesh are criminals, and deserve death, but if some SDF get a little too fervent and torture, I don't feel bad. Just fine them and re-station them somewhere else.

Yeah. You knows who's edgy? The person that cares about the survival of the one successful ongoing revolution on this planet.
You know who isn't? The adherents of an over one thousand year old sect that has repeatedly engaged in rampant acts of absolute barbarism, including mass rape and genocide.
Who's theorists have written libraries worth of advocating what is effectively the complete liquidation of most of the world population.
Got it.


How entrenched are you in the liberal bubble? These aren't some edgy nazis on the internet who like to post helicopter jokes or fantasize about reenacting the Turner Diaries.
These aren't some ancaps that have read too much Atlas Shrugged and believe in the NAP.
These aren't some fundies that just think being gay is gross, we've lost our morals and that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Their whole ideology from the onset is based upon the unconditional rampant slaughter of anyone they think doesn't conform with their ultra-specific-ultra-orthodox interpretation of Islam. And unlike some neckbeards on the internet these people actually act on their beliefs with great consistency.
These are the kind of people that killed the one of the first four caliphs (Ali) because he wasn't orthodox enough. Mind you, in Islam the first four caliphs after Muhammad are generally to be considered among the purest, pious and most noble human beings to have ever existed.
And they killed him.

There is no living in peace with these people. Ever.

Society doesn't work if not everyone pulls their own weight in some capacity. I fail to see how anyone can interpret that quote as "Free stuff for everyone, no work necessary!".

Not going to disagree here. Torturing an unarmed person for no purpose is distasteful.

Except support for the Nazi party wasn't nearly as widespread and unanimous as often claimed. There's also a difference between being apathetic or a member of the Nazi party - which I don't recall openly advocating for genocide or the atrocities in the east - and being a member of the Einsatzgruppen, a death camp guard or fighting as a member of the SS in the east.

Except I don't even care about pretentious ethics. As I said before. It's about survival.

And waste resources? Do you know how much it would cost to imprison, guard and care for ten-thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of people? If the choice is between feeding soldiers, workers, their families, and the scores of internally displaced persons or some foreign jihadi, then it's obvious which one to pick.

Except my aim is not to stuff you into a cage and burn you alive for my personal viewing pleasure. That's the difference.

Torture often serves no purpose, but getting rid of people that actively plan and seek to kill you and almost everyone you love is a question of survival.

No. But assuming the person in the video is an actual ISIS fighter, make no mistake. If given the power over you, they would kill you, and they wouldn't think about it twice.

Torture? I tend to agree. People need to control themselves.
Killing PoWs? If those PoWs intend to dismantle and wipe out your society the moment they are set free, there's little benefit keeping them alive.

It's not a bootlicker attitude. It's realistic one. If you have no power or the means to defend yourself, your personal ethics mean very little when it comes to survival.

I don't know. You tell me.
Besides. As I've pointed out earlier, this isn't about some civil differences in opinion. These are people that want to kill you in the most gruesome ways imaginable because you don't adhere to their particular brand of religion.

Not going to disagreeing here.

If conscription, like in Rojava, means the difference between life and death of a socialist society, then I'm all for it.

Except you seem to misinterpret my point. This isn't just about people that have difficulty keeping up, or people you happen to disagree with. This is about people that want burn society, you, and everyone you love in the name of religious fanaticism. And when given the chance that's exactly what they do.

The west's wars against Islamic terrorism are just wars of imperialism and subjugation. Their wars have created this enemy.
It's possible to win this war. The question is: How far are you willing to go?

And none of those goals matter anything if you won't survive.

Seriously. This thread feel like jews defending 1944 Germany.

This isn't about some minor disagreements, this is about real undeniable threats to both Rojava and civilization as a whole.
The nazi movement could have been crushed back in the 1920s, Hitler wrote so himself. But no one did, why? Because of the kind of liberal attitude displayed in this thread.

Like Hitler writing about invading Russia and removing the "undesirables", the people the SDF are fighting have made it clear again and again of what their goals are, and what they'll do once in power.

twitter.com/AraratKurd/status/841380840525426691

THIS GROUP WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BE LE GRAND SULTAN ERDO

So the Kurdish Islamists from Liwa Ahfad al-Salahaddin are not enough?

twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/status/841353949861031938

folks, he's at it again

There's quite a few Islamists and jihadi Kurds dispersed around the various rebel groups and ISIS yeah

Read a fucking boock. It's obvious that you know nothing of the ideology that governs the revolution. You might as well be one of the members of the liberal media swooning over "gurlpower". Restorative justice has proven more effective then punitive justice especially in cases of genocide, and your ignorant that you can't see beyond the most simplistic conception of justice as purely punitive. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need recognizes that some people will be incapable of providing much but those with ability will pick up the slack, to put it in simplistic terms that you can understand. Stop being a meme tier keyboard warrior "fighting for the revolution" and actually learn what it stands for first you fucking larper

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*so ignorant

The offenders should be reprimanded and restationed for breaking discipline and mistreating a pow but I don't shed a single fucking tear for an ISIS rat. These fucking insane reactionaries are precisely what the revolutionary terror is for. I swear you faggots would be crying over Red Army troops killing SS guards at Auschwitz.

Follow your own advice. Read up about the Khajirite movement, the caliphates, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Mohammed Abdul Salam Faraj, the history of Saudi Arabia, the writings of bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri and top it off with some ISIS blogs and some gore sites so you can see in visceral detail what ISIS does to unbelievers. Perhaps you'll even have the muh privilege I had to talk to some of these people.

This is really what post-revolution Syria should spend it's resources on. Re-educating perhaps ten-thousands of foreign islamists that no, committing genocide and raping women is not okay. I mean, it's not like they were already taught that in their home countries!

This isn't about justice. This is about removing those elements who's only desire in life is to completely wreck society and kill almost everyone within it.

Yes. Because that's not unlike what I've already been saying.

I'm making a point against all the quasi-liberals here that think we should just be more tolerant to people that very obviously just want to kill us. And you know, want to add the "Kurdish Genocide of 201?" to the index of genocides.
I'm sorry if that's "larping" in your liberal fantasies.


My bad. I had completely forgotten about the great reconciliation of WW2. The one where all the nazi fanatics and war criminals were let off with a slap on the wrist and told to "please not do that again!".

Oh wait. That didn't happen. It's leadership was killed, as were most of it's stooges: Either killed on the battlefield, or executed afterwards and worked to death.

It's a shame really, if we only had been more tolerant back then, we wouldn't have had this resurgent global nazi movement that has since taken over Europe.
Oh wait, that didn't happen either.

Definitely understand the anger, but is it so wrong to just shoot the islamist bastards without torturing them?

That was the point I made. Torturing people like this is hardly defensible, shooting ISIS militants on the other hand is not.

Literally has nothing to do with communalism and the ethical and moral foundation it's built upon. To reject said foundation is to reject DemCon, and that's why you should stop larping on here and actually read the theory behind the movement.
And the way to change this is by committing massacres of people who support such things, right? Entirely ignoring the fact that many areas in syria, including Rojava, held similar sentiments among it's population, but their solution was not to commit acts of ethnic cleansing cause that's fucking retarded and counter productive to the aims of the revolution.
Incredibly simplistic thinking, looking at people as in a vacuum instead of as products of their environment. This logic has been used by fascists to justify slaughtering jews, gypsies, lumpens etc. It's the same logic ISIS adheres to in order to justify their own rape and slaughter of people.
No, because you don't seem to recognize that this takes into account that some people will be incapable of any productive work
Adhering to the ethical and moral framework of the revolution is not in any sense "liberal". If you told the YPG that you wanted to go over there with the intention of killing POWs, you would be rejected immediately and rightfully so. You are entirely a larper because you know nothing of the theory behind the revolution and yet pretend to speak for it. Not committing war crimes or crimes against humanity is not the same thing as not defending yourself or fighting against reactionary movements and ideologies.

Nazi POWs weren't slaughtered out of hand by the Allies, and the gulags of Russia are not something that should be replicated by any socialist society. I'll reiterate: Read a Fucking Book.

Well, I hate to inform you then, but it seems like you're actually a rightist.
How are they wasted if it restores people and prevents the alternative of murder?
No, once they're prisoners it's not longer about survival since they are explicitly out of the war. Killing them isn't a question of survival at that point, it's simply a question of retribution or cynical, uncaring realpolitik.
Exactly why you shouldn't be like them.
That's obviously why you don't free them if they're not rehabilitated. They're just people, not little machine men who's only purpose is to destroy. Change the material conditions that created them and sustain them, and you can change them.
You just said it's for the people in power to decide who lives and dies, because having power gives them that right. Not only is that a bootlicker attitude, it's an explicit "make-makes-right" Fascist attitude.
So that we can create a better society and live as better individuals. If survival is all you care about, then it seems like you'd have joined Daesh if you were in their occupied territory, since it would've been much better for your survival.
I'm well aware of that. What is right doesn't stop being what is right just because the individual is especially bad and hated.
What are you not for if it means it contributes to this shallow, utilitarian idea of "survival"? Forced labor camps, genocide, mass executions, mass looting? If a better world cannot or won't be created then why care about saving the current one?
Your point is it's okay to do anything as long as it benefits society, taken to the logical extreme that means it should to be okay to kill or mistreat anyone, including the innocent, if it somehow contributes to society.
Yes, I know that. You don't need to keep repeating about how dangerous they are.
That's what all brutal dictators and organizations like to think. This isn't a war about Kurds or Arabs and their survival, this is a war about ideologies. Ideologies cannot be killed through killing all their adherents, it doesn't work that way. A better society cannot be created with the methods of the previous one.
And if you're willing to do anything to survive then you'll never achieve those goals. Besides, this is an absurd false dichotomy since SDF have been perfectly capable of beating back Daesh without resorting to the barbaric tactics you're advocating.

Revolutionary terrors are exactly what you get if you institute brutal and cruel punishments, and you'd have to be both historically ignorant and naive to think those terrors were only against "reactionaries".

This isn't just about DemCon or Communalism. It's about analyzing and realizing what our enemies believe, their history and what their goals are. And what kind of existential threat they represent to the socialist movement.
That is very relevant.

Considering that you don't seem to grasp what these people actually believe and they've been doing now and in the past, I'm not really surprised that you believe these people should or can be tolerated.

No, but if you've kept up with developments in Syria it's clear that the YPG have already been evicting ISIS sympathizers. That might not be a clear cut case of ethnic cleansing, or the sort of saturation bombardment that the Baath regime has been enacting, but it's already obvious that these islamists are a threat to the revolution, the people of Rojava and YPG fighters.

Are we living in the same world?

I already addressed that. If the community or the families of less-capable individuals can take care of their needs, then all is fine.

It is when you parrot the myth of inalienable rights and use it to defend people that both in actions and ideology seek to crush the revolution.

Obviously. But as said, even the YPG realizes (or is beginning to realize?) that they just can't live under the same roof as people that want to kill them and their families.

Your idea of the "revolution" is some liberal fantasy were everyone holds hand and sings Kumbaya.

Ridding society of the likes of ISIS and it's sympathizers is not a crime against humanity, it's a revolutionary duty and a service to civilization.
How do you think you're going to defeat these Islamists? Through rational arguments and debate? They don't care about you, the revolution, your ideals, your ethics, or anything you believe in. The only thing that matters of them is that you're an unbeliever and need to die in the most excruciating way possible.

Your idea of defeating ISIS breaks down in the reality of the daily struggle in Syria.

Look at how much resources are spend in the west on imprisoning and watching a few returning ISIS militants.
Rojava isn't a rich society. Even basic necessities like water and varied food are either expensive or difficult to get hold of.

They don't have the luxury to take care of ten-thousands of useless mouths that just want to kill them anyway, many of whom are also foreigners that otherwise would have no place in Syria and only came to destroy it.
Why is it so important to keep those people alive?

And again, who will take care of them at the expense of the swathes of homeless and orphaned refugees, or the families of martyrs, or just the everyday workers that are doing everything they can to keep Rojava running?

What an amazing liberal attitude. "If you kill your enemies, they win!"

You do realize how many of these come from the west with its social security? Even Syria had a social safety net before the war.
Most of these people aren't coming from illiterate societies with no access to information.
Not everyone can be rehabilitated, post-WW2 nazis have shown plenty of examples of this. Which is exactly why so many of them had to die, because many were planning for a second run. It's the same thing here.

Survival in this case is more about immediate physical survival. It's also about the survival of society and civilization itself. ISIS and its militants have spend a great amount of time not just killing people, but also dismantling the education system, burning libraries and wrecking the cultural heritage of mankind.

See my above point.

I already argued against that.

The problem is it needs to be repeated because people like you don't seem to be interested in actually reading about the history of the movement your fighting or what it adherents believe in.

How many Manichaeans are there alive today? If you kill the adherents of an ideology and it tends to die out in practice.

See my previous point. ISIS sympathizers are already being evicted.

Not at all relevant when considering the theoretical framework of DemCon, which you don't know but still pretend should be abandoned.
I fully understand what they believe. That does not change the theoretical basis of DemCon, which is contingent on ethical practices. Not committing war crimes or crimes against humanity against them is not the same as tolerating them, and the fact that you can't see the difference does not speak well of you
The sources for that have either been Turkish or Iraqi kurdish, so the reports of how often it happens are greatly exaggerated. Furthermore, the PYD and YPG recognized that instances when it did actually happened were wrong and should not be repeated, since doing so is considered to be ethnic cleansing
Apparently not. The islamists believe the worlds problems are due to the kaffirs who prevent people from living in their ideal islamic utopia, and therefore should be violently subjugated. You think that the revolutions problems are people like the islamists who prevent people from living in an ideal socialist utopia, and therefore should be violently subjugated etc
The democratic confederalist society is built upon a social contract which grants unalienable rights, and by it's nature takes certain things (like crimes against humanity/warcrimes) off the table. You're essentially saying that because these people are threatening the revolution we should destroy it ourselves by forsaking the most fundamental aspect of it i.e. the social contract.
The DFSNS has made it very clear that the solution to captured POWs is not to execute or torture them, as evidenced by their increasing openness to outside observes to their prison practices, and this solution does not involve the breaking of the social contract or the breaking of international law
Your idea of the revolution is a reactionary hellscape were every man is in a vacuum, independent of the community, and fights only for himself. Not wanting to commit warcrimes or breaking the social contract is not the same as forsaking the right to self defense.
The execution of POWs is a most definite warcrime, and the DFSNS adheres to that plainly in it's social contract.Revolutionary duty and service means following the ethical system that the revolution seeks to build society around.
You defeat them through combat and superior organization and education, not through slaughtering POWs and sympathizers you retarded larper.

You literally talk like a rightist. It has nothing to do with being a liberal.
They seem to be doing it just fine considering the prisons exist and there aren't reports of mass executions.
Why is it to keep anyone alive that's not necessary to your material self-interests? The answer is because I want to create a better world and be a better person.
The same people who are doing it now. This isn't a hypothetical situation. The PoWs are being cared for and they're not being executed, and Rojava is still around.
What is it with violent, quasi-reactionaries pretending to be leftists calling ethical principles liberal? It's like Holla Forumstards and cuck.
Material conditions mean more that just not being poor. It also refers to alienation, abuse, ignorance and so on. Also foreign fighters aren't the majority.
As far as I know, rehabilitation wasn't a real goal after WWII.
If the Syrian society and civilization is all you care about, why not go join the SAA?
None of those are worth dying over and is not the reason why I have any desire to go over there to fight. Leftists care about the SDF because they're trying to change the Syria, not because they're trying to preserve the current system.
No, you never explained how by taking your position to the logical extreme that it wouldn't be okay to harm innocents for the good of society.
None of that is relevant. The only beliefs that actually matter is the belief that it's okay to murder, rape, oppress others, and that belief is widely shared between Daesh, Nazis, African warlords and Mexican cartels. The solution isn't to murder every adherent of all these particular ideologies, but to change the circumstances that created people who belief in the single general belief and to rehabilitate those who currently do.
Like I said, a particular ideology is irrelevant. The esoteric and mystical beliefs of the Manichaens might be gone, but the practical beliefs and the people who practice them are still alive. You could hypothetically destroy radical Islam, but the people who would believe in it and who would go join Daesh would still be created until the circumstances are changed.
In rogue instances. This is not an established policy.

The Rojavan social contract is not the same as liberal natural inalienable rights. It's based on consent and mutual agreement. A property not shared with its omnicidal Islamist enemies.

Do those prisons have the capacity to hold hundreds of thousands of ISIS militants and sympathizers? Or what else are you going to do with this obviously dangerous segment of society? Are you going to endow them too with their own territory and right to own guns? Or will you just keep them around as second class citizens?

Many of it's ideologues, commanders and emirs were part of the elite upper class. Likewise plenty of its foreign fighters came from well-off countries or even backgrounds. There are reasons other than poverty and alienation that turn people into genocidal militants.
Likewise, there a plenty of Syrians and Iraqis - a majority in fact - that have not turned to ISIS, including those who have suffered under the Baath regimes and the Iraqi wars and occupation. It's also already been proven that that there exists a certain natural predisposition in certain people towards both violence and the sort of ideologies represented by ISIS.
You seem to want to save these islamists at all cost. I ask, at who's cost, and what's the benefit?

Except it isn't just about some old books or statues. Civilization is more than that. It's science, philosophy, culture, the knowledge of past history and an artistic heritage that stretches back aeons.
Go tell the Kurds or Syriacs in Rojava that their culture doesn't matter, isn't worth saving, and if it were to be destroyed, there's no point crying over it.

Except the time for prevention is before the war has already started. Changing the material conditions now will do little for people who have already given their lives for a genocidal cause.

Ideologies may rise again. But it's much harder if it's most vocal proponents are buried five feet underground and its dissemination is heavily restricted.

And in case of salafists/khawarij/wahabists purging that particular ideology is long overdue.

Either way I still hope you're right, and that this time will finally prove to be the exception on the rule. That the Islamists won't just come back in a few years to stab the revolution in the back.
But knowing history, I'm not very optimistic.

It's time for the YPG to crack some RojPesh skulls

Incidents like this make me appreciate the YPG track record even more.

Why would they do that? They aren't even occupying any cities and towns are they? So basically a foreign gang shot civilians telling them to fuck off? How do they think this will possibly go well with the YBS?

DemConfed is already in the YBS controlled areas of Iraq. Turkey has about 40 military bases all over KDP controlled KRG so I don't think it'll ever spread there.

YBS controlled Sinjar offers an ally and partner to Rojava and undermines the KDP blockade. Barzani and Erdogan are trying to elimanage YBS' presence so they can seal off Rojava fully. YBS and PKK will definitely respond, and maybe YPG too.

Stop user. I can only get so hard.


Turkish threats, intervention and airstrikes haven't stopped demcon from flourishing in Rojava.

Besides. I don't see the local Kurdish population in Iraqi Kurdistan reacting positively to the Turkish army killing Kurds. No matter how Barzani would spin it.

Hey, i just wanted to see if there is a limit to how large images you can post.

The Kurdistan Democratic Confederacy has gone from technicals and CNT trucks to BTRs and the Turks are SCARED.
Also Ivan Sidorenko is the guy that got Holla Forums to crowdsource an airstrike location.

I'm imagining Phil Greaves right now frothing at the mouth, having both a seizure and a stroke at the same time.


Erdogan is a loose cannon. It's understandable that the Russian gov would prefer to keep Syria in one piece rather than surrender it to that wannabe dictator.

I still think the Russians want the entirety of Kurdistan to become a reality, since Turkey is in such an important strategic position for them. Russia is also relatively friendly towards socialists and doesn't see them as an existential threat, unlike other major powers.

That's a generous reading. Russia needs to keep the Sultanate in check, as well as US puppets like the KRG. Currying favour with the PYD is necessary to keeping Assad, Erdogan, as well as Barzani and the rest of Iraq - even Iran - off each others back for the next decade. Russia needs Turkey to be kept as docile as possible, carrots for now, sticks again when the need (invariably) arises.

The Rojava social contract clearly states it's belief in the geneva conventions and the UN charter of human rights. You're talking out of your ass, but that's not surprising considering you've been doing just that this entire time.
Again, you're pretty much saying that they should commit genocide against anyone who supports ISIS. Fascism tier m8
The rest of your post is reactionary hogwash. You're merely a fascist pretending to be a socialist

Is anyone else worried that the recent cooperation and deepening ties(not just the buffer zone but also some stuff seems to happen with Manbij city and Tishreen dam) with the Regime might be to early and somewhat foolish? I have trust that the PYD and the canton administrations know what they are doing but I doubt that the revolution is rooted deeply enough yet that it wouldnt suffer under returning Regime influence.

There's definitely going to be a power struggle between the two. I seriously hope they don't make the same mistake the spanish anarchists did

Yeah it's concerning but it's the regime is something they've got to face up to sooner or later. In a perfect world SDF would be FSA and they'd be overthrowing Assad but unfortunately they'll have to make some concessions because Assad is too strong.

I'll put my trust in PYD because they've balanced practicality with idealism extremely well so far.

An agreement I wouldn't be against is the Hasakah model all across Rojava (i.e. PYD and councils controls 90% of the city but the regime control some of the official or administrative buildings and flies their flag over them).

Yeah, no idea why I missed that. Massive brainfart on my part. Forget my earlier points. Please don't purge me

Without repeating the same points again, I'll just say I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, and hope that this time thing will turn out differently. I pushed it to an extreme. There are militants that are trying to defect after realizing what mistake they made. Though joining an organization like ISIS even in face of proof of atrocities is still absolutely fucking disgusting.

Again, I hope this time will be different from all those other times where people have tried rehabilitating hardcore islamists. And I'm not planning against going against the agreed upon charter and ideology (Like the undisciplined people in that video), even if I disagree with some of its premises.


Not at all. It's important to mend differences and move towards reconciliation before ISIS and the "moderates" are defeated, to prevent future open conflict between the regime and the federation.


The federation controls will soon control over 50% of the Syrian GNP (the regime is kept running by Russian and Iranian loans), when taking into account the ISIS territories like Raqqa and Deiz er Nor that will soon fall to it.
Notice how Assad is treading very carefully in relation to Rojava. He's not up against the incompetent Free Syrian Army or the unpopular ISIS anymore. The SDF/YPG is the only rebel faction that could unilaterally balkanize Syria and take all of its oil & gas wealth with it.

In my wet dreams we have DemConFed spreading throughout Syria offering alternatives to the warlords and clans till they take over all of Syria once conflict erupts again. Their organisation is getting only stronger and seems to be the only coherent well organised ideological group that can offer an alternative. So maybe dual power can actually work once you have established a base and have an apperatus of cadres dedicated to spreading it.


Most of the gas is around Hama and Palmyra controlled by ISIS and soon only Assad, Rojava mostly controlls the oil, hydro energy and a lot of the food supply.

It'll be tough with Turkey and the blockade tho. Turks are probably the biggest threat to Rojava. Assad and the SAA aren't as strong as they appear - they're very factionalized and only survived total collapse because of Russia + Iran

Dem Confederalism can still be spread under the nose of the regime. Much of the reason PYD was so well placed at the start of the civil war was due to their underground organising before it. After the uprising in Qamishlo got crushed PYD had to organise secretly. FSA didn't have this kind of ideological base and structure and fractured into a million pieces. Imagine if the rebels could've organise their parts of Aleppo like YPG organised Sheikh Maqsoud

are there any accounts of how things are operating on the ground? I hear people talk about different practices in different places but don't know where I'd be able to read about all that stuff.

I'm glad it's not just me and that one other guy calling this shit out. Reactionary beliefs are already rampant throughout the online tankie-left. We don't need it in the libertarian left as well.


The problem I see is that, just like in every other historical situation of intranational fights for autonomy, it comes down to the state's monopoly on violence. Any modern state (liberal or aliberal) is precipitated on the monopoly of violence, which goes against having an entire autonomous zone with no hierarchical control of the monopoly on violence. Assad can't give up this monopoly. It would practically mean the same as him being deposed as leader of Syria.
This means that for him to actually make that concession, YPG needs a stronger force of violence backing them, e.g. the US or Russia, but that just results in even bigger imperialist tensions than in Iraq.


I'm glad that you're at the very least able to see that accepting inhuman treatment of daesh is a compromise.
With regards to the successrate of rehabilitation, again I'm of the opinion that torture and murder can never be justified in situations where you have the reasonable ability to do otherwise, and that a cost-benefit analysis should never factor in when dealing with human lives. Meaning that the effectiveness of rehabilitation shouldn't play in, as long as:
1. The effectiveness is non-zero (which trivially is the case).
2. You have the reasonable ability to do so (which trivially is the case of PoWs).

Do you think that the SDF will keep control of these territories? Never mind in a eventual peace deal, but just for the forseeable future?
My understanding was that the SDF is just being used as the troops to beat back ISIS. SDF's current tactic of reconciliation towards the regime, along with large majority arab populations makes it seem likely in my head that SDF will cede Raqqa and/or Deiz er Nor to the regime within the near-future. Am I completely off-base here?

A Military council and a civilian administrative council will be formed before SDF take Raqqa and after they take it the civilian council will be asked if they want to join the Rojava project, which they will likely accept. SDF do this process for every major destination they take. The idea of trading off cities is something SDF won't do but I think the civilian administration will have a large degree of autonomy in how they define their relationship with the regime. Raqqa was a revolution hotbed so I can't see them being too pro Assad

Assad allready gave up his monopoly of violence to loads of independent militias and Rojava allready created the militias of the communes. I seriously doubt that Syria will have a unified force anytime soon.

Anyone see that documentary "Inside Assad's Syria" that Vice made recently? It's a good watch if you haven't.

cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/ New overview of the Rojava economical situation.

Those militias are still hierarchically subservient to the Assad regime. Saying that that is equivalent to letting go of the monopoly on violence, is like saying having a distinct police force is letting go of the monopoly on violence.
Fact of the matter is that if one of those independent militias decided to oppose the regime in some way, they would cease to be an authorized militia and become an enemy of the state. Which is the position of the SDF as of right now. It just happens that the state has higher priority enemies than the SDF.

Of course, that's why the war is going on. The question is what happens when the war is over?
Can the war be said to be over if there's a completely independent military force with interests in opposition to the interests of the regime?
As long as Assad insists on being the leader of an (a)liberal state power, I think the answer is no.
DFNS autonomy requires significant state reform.

Assad's personal future post war is unclear. I think Russia want him to leave whereas Iran are insistent on him staying.

the subtle Iran/Russia powerplay is interesting to watch as it becomes clear that SAA will win

really makes you think

That reminds me of rabid McCarthyists who go "HAVE YOU EVER SPOKEN TO SOMEBODY WHO FLED FROM CUBA ON A RAFT?", ignoring that most of the people who fled to florida were the wealthy supporters of Batista, and that a significant portion of them just sailed over into the open arms of the US government in their private boats.

:(

Turkey and especially Barzani can never be forgiven for this embargo. Anyway as the article the spread of the ideology is a niceity as well as a necessity. YBS fighting against RojPesh is an integral battle in the spread of democratic confederalism.

Many of these assad militias are more like legalised private fiefdoms that fund themselves through smuggling and exortion.


YBS protected regions are the only border regions that isnt closed to Rojava so protecting that till a connection with the Iraqi government forces can be established is crucial to flee the economic blockade. So its not only an ideological fight.

tfw in a few decades people will point to rojava as another failed socialist experiment without knowing the crippling circumstances it was put under

Weak tbh. But how big a deal is it? How much of the economy is nominally owned by 'big landlords'?

Are they right? Might Russia not have an interest in keeping in going?

Hasn't that always been the case for our cause?

3/4 socialised, 1/4 private i think.

And the private is all big landlords?

No, I think they have a cement factory for example which is privately owned by some company and there's probably some other examples like that.

Yeah Trotsky was fucking right about international revolution tbh

I can't wait for that corrupt sleazebag Barzani to be executed exiled during an Iraqi Kurdish demcon insurrection.


If Rojava wants to survive it needs to be willing to go after Barzani, his allies and their interests if he doesn't lift the blockade. Hurt their bottomline, target the businesses.

Rojava memes are the dankest

Today the Syrian Civil War enters its 6th year.

It's humbling to realize how fast decades or hundreds of years of progress can be torn down in a matter of months and years.

Also depressing.

Rojava might just be the thing that makes this entire mess worth it.

no, nothing is worth it. I like Rojava, but the Syrian conflict is far too much of a tragedy.

yeah true. Arab Spring was a mistake.

If it's of any consolation, if this happens, at least we witnessed it and can directly point this out

That's the price for freedom. And it is worth it in the end.

Shit people

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So, uh, PPG hasn't updated in a while..

is he okay

Their conclusions are already outdated because SDF has linked up with regime territories in North Aleppo and this will be a huge boost to the economy in Rojava and will present them with a lot more possibilities

PPP's twitter operates on a pattern of intense posting for a few days (probably when he's behind the frontline and can get Internet) and then weeks of silence so I'd say he's probably fine.

I do wonder if he'll stick around for the battle of Raqqa or if he'll leave before it

he said he'd be leaving in a few months on chapo, which is fair enough. he's done his bit, and now he come return to the usa where he will inevitably be held in some detention center until the feds decide what to charge him with

PKK after the winter hibernation now starting to get back into the swing of things.

So it seems like a new purge is ongoing against the KPD-S probably because of KDP attacks against the YBS. Which means that a lot of propaganda will fly around about how evil the PYD is. Some points regarding that:

Besides that KDP-S are ofc counterrevolutionaries that work together with nations and forces which directly attack Rojava and its allies. All the pro-rebel journalists that whine about PYD wouldnt even dare to go to rebel held areas and neither KDP-S or PYD would be even able to open offices in rebel areas.

Anyone got any good articles that explain Rojava in a simple and neutral manner? Im writing a short report on the revolution for a thing.

Seems like PPG is active again


There are no neutral reports, and the ones that try to be neutral miss the whole revolutionary thing and dont go indepth at all or even include anti Rojava propaganda in an attempt to appear neutral. The positive ones are written by lefties that give a more complete picture but include pro-Rojava propaganda. And the negative ones are written by Turks, buthurt Barzani kurds, or buthurt rebel supporters.

ok then. Anyone just got any good articles?

see

Dank pics incoming

In truth KNC have only been given such leeway because the're Kurds. It's time they're kicked out, and for their own good because the population in Rojava are getting increasingly violent towards them.

Who?
Ohhh… oh.

kek

keeping up with all the Kurdish political acronyms is one of life's greatest struggles

Anyone else astounded by the amount of bullshit social media fights that happens between volunteers(mostly unpolitical americans). Constant bullshitting about how much one fought and other random accusations. I especially get triggered when they shit on the politicals, which in general are the better volunteers(although there are fewer with military background) according the few people that I have talked with that actually have a clue. Another trend seems to be that unpolitical americans seem to be hell bend on getting together in their own little units where they start shit while the people that integrate into a normal Kurdish tabur seem way less drama prone.

Even heard that they are going to dispand the TMU around all the drama that happend.

How many of them? There are at least a few hundred foreigners who have served in the YPG, I doubt it's representative. Also you have to consider that volunteering for service in a foreign war is a very abnormal thing to do so there are bound to be some oddballs.

Source?

I've never seen inter-volunteer drama.

pkk1978 said leftists make better volunteers and I'd take his word for it above some exmil American fag

please post links or screenshots, this is the first i've heard

Part of the essence of demcon is teaching fighters what they're fighting for.
It seems there are more than a few that join just because they want to shoot muslims.

Daily reminder: If you're going to Rojava, learn Kurdish. That way there's a higher chance you don't end up in unideological foreign units.

That's odd. You'd think ex mil people would have more discipline.

Though I imagine the leftists have more motivation and more modesty.

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/842080749285212160

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/842081830849392657

interview with a British volunteer who initially went to fight ISIS and then later come back for the revolution and the ideology

Yeah there is some weird ex-volunteer "scene" full of americans and anglos from unpolitical or military backgrounds that openly shit on each other on FB and twitter. Its not representative but they are the most vocal on social media(and the ones that accused other the most of being attention seekers). Political people like PPG that are active on social media are the minority. And I know of barely any european political volunteers that are active on social media.


Man TMU is sorrounded by so much drama, then there was that fast response unit that had a coupple of captured humvees that had a lot of americans and drama in it. And some other foreigner only units that split or something.

One of the ex-TMU guys had like a 35min rant video on his FB where he whined about the politicals and other grieviances that I cant judge. Then there was some other guy(his social media seemed attention seeking and narcicistic) that evedently was in Rojava but someone else accused him of misappropriating funds and never have been in Rojava. I feel like every public volunteer has been accused of not fighting. For a long time IFB was accused of sitting around in Qamishli and just doing nothing all day while /u/pkk1978 actually praised the MLKP guys of being awesome people and fighters and defended them.

Pic related is another case of some volunteer at home that was in some foreign only unit shitting on Cihan, a german autonomous antifa guy who went to Rojava more than two years ago(iirc) never appeared in the media except in one or two interviews with leftists media. He commanded a unit in some silos near Sarrin and was filmed doing that by Vice. He actually adopted the ideology and is cadre now. Rumors speculated that he might get a Tabur to command and then seemed involved with the academy for foreigners.

Just today Macer Gifford had some fight about funds allocation with the TMU with someone else, he deleted the tweets though. And I didnt actually see the conversation.

It would take years to learn Kurdish to the level required without being among Kurds. The war would probably be over by the time you managed it.

I think many ex-miliitary guys cant fuction without the hierachical discipline of the military and cant deal with Kurds doing it their own way(admittedly they often do unessecary stuff that ex-mil people actually know better)


This, dont get entangled in drama and learn kurdish if you go over.

Kurdish is an easy language and quite many learn it fast enough to be fluent after a year or less. From videos it seems like you only need a very basic grasp till they let you fight in Kurdish units.

No. But it does take effort. Besides you just need to build up a vocabulary and expand from there by talking with Kurdish speakers.

Part of it is them not integrating into the philosophy (the communal lifestyle is enforce in taburs) and learning the language. I suppose another aspect might be military guys expecting too much from a militia.

I think Peshmerga was far more popular with exmil guys tho. They're a far more traditional and well stacked outfit.

I don't think it would be a good idea to do that. Would you really want to be in a unit where you have to worry about making yourself understood? Imagine if you're pissing yourself with fear and the stress causes you to forget the Kurdish words. Fuck that, man.

twitter.com/RizgarDerik
twitter.com/soder_jesper
twitter.com/karimfranceschi
twitter.com/osopartisano

just thought i'd link some

When you're doing it from books it does.

That's why don't do it just from the books. Learn the basics, then try to read some Kurdish stuff. News, speeches, interviews, try and see if you can follow it.

It helps even better if you can find someone to practice with. If you live in western and Northern Europe you can look up Kurdish organizations.

youtube.com/watch?v=cbvhL7l1SsI

this vid is kinda long but it's a good example of a guy using his (what seems like) limited kurdish in an efficient way in high stress situations

In the end many left quite disappointed because Peshmerga rarely let people to the front and even then Peshmerga didnt do advances. I dont think they accept new volunteers nowadays, not worth the hassle for them.


Yeah, undestandable fear. But you learn quite quickly in such an enviroment. And there are probably also there are probably some good groups of non idiotic volunteers.


Yeah following all of them allready, didnt knew that Jesper is political though.

Antifa "tabur" is probably a group of foreign leftist given their name, totally forgot about them.

IFB radicalising the kids.

kek

A few days ago some Turkish politician or journalist or someone called Turks in Europe frontline soldiers in old ottoman tongue
Anyone have a link?

twitter.com/Shewcrafter/status/842357667008000002

the guys who tortured the ISIS fighter have been arrested

Anyone has a clue on whats behind the raid on the ADO offices? Maybe trying to force dominance for their pro DemConFed Assyrian allies instead of a more traditional party?

Bit of a fucking stretch though isn't it? Getting a few digs in the ribs and slapped in the face is better than how police in the first world treat people.

ADO are SNC (FSA) affiliates and thus advocate overthrowing the self government system by force. Same with KNC. Your not an innocent opposition party if you have an armed wing insistent on overthrowing the self government system, sorry. If Euphrates Shield marched into Manbij tomorrow, KNC and ADO would welcome them.

The reason given for the raid was the same reason given for the raid on Yekiti offices yesterday. A declaration was made that all political parties must sign up for a license to make their status official. Parties who didn't sign up for a license would be brought under the protection of Asayish. Parties who didn't sign up for the license within the allotted timeframe would be shut down to protect them from vandal attacks.

KNC offices repeatedly get torched and broken into. And yet they rejected the protection of Asayish and didn't apply for a license. Because their only goal as a party is to oppose anything TEV DEM or PYD do.

People can say it's totalitarian or undemocratic but it's what's necessary. In Rojava a new type of system is being built and parties who absolutely refuse to take part are not welcome.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Rojava

There's dozens of parties in Rojava, many of them aren't democratic confederalists. But they recognise the legitimacy of the revolution and work within the system.

*wouldn't be
my mistake

dailycaller.com/2017/03/15/revealed-turkeys-plan-to-camouflage-its-lobbying-activities-in-the-us/

The Ottoman has tentacles everywhere

Hanging someone by his arms in this way is extremely painful after a while, they did use that a lot on Guantanamo and its a quite common thing to use in torture overall.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strappado
Palistinian hanging is torture in every definition of the word, both legally and cordially.


Honstly that sucks. You shouldn't need a fucking licence in order to have the protection of the police/people from vandals.

rojava has been turned into a puppet state by america
twitter.com/CENTCOM/status/842426756120342529
it was fun boys

Feels more like PKK infiltators took over the US military

The Halabja Massacre took place in Iraqi Kurdistan, my dude.

KRG and the US have always been strong allies.

kinda strange that they use the twitterkurds hasthtag tho kek

Could be someone being stupid or someone subtly going rogue.

pretty sure whoever runs the CENTCOM account is a subtle troll. At the height of the Manbij tensions they were posting pics of YPJ with the caption "ready to fight" lmao, the Turks were going mental

twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/842488460179062788
jokes for days from ppg

Yup, all of a sudden posts if the MMC were left and right. It was as hilarious as proxy war tensions can get.

Does anyone have any interviews with former soldiers who are now in the SDF talking about the differences between the SDF and a regular army? Stuff like the tactics, equipment, culture, etc.

International Freedom Batallion Video AMA live from Raqqa Front

periscope.tv/Antidote2017/1djGXvMvvqOxZ

periscope.tv/Antidote2017/1djGXvMvvqOxZ

Live interview with IFB guys.

looks like the power went out :7(

Lets hope they're not being attacked.

reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ypg-exclusive-idUSKBN16O218

Raqqa begins early April. Get hype. YPG spokesman seems really chill about it and thinks it'll be done in a few weeks.

THEY'RE BACK
periscope.tv/Antidote2017/1OwxWPMogRjKQ?

this is great

Fuck.

Ehh. I doubt that. Mosul took months and that involved ISIS retreating a majority of their forces.

I also hope they've been stocking up on gas masks.

power went out again, they probably wont be back this time i guess

You will never be in time for Raqqa even if you leave soon, you'd spend longer in training/ideology lessons

you won't make it in time for raqqa m8 i'm sorry

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Well I think it was the low battery on the laptop. But they are on night guard duty now anyways so they are not coming back tonight.

I'm afraid they'll have toxic gas of some sort.

So what happens after Raqqa and Mosul? Will ISIS fold?

The article has a US source saying it'll take much longer.

How long does that take?

they'll double down on taking Deir Ezzor and they also have a few cities in Iraq left to defend

once these are taken too ISIS will just go underground and wait for another power vacuum to exploit. ISIS has been around since the Iraq war and people thought they were finished after they were defeated back then too

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Those places aren't on the SDF's front, are they? Where does the YPG go from Raqqa?

Well… at least there will still be the defense of Manbji, Deiz ez Zor and purging the Turks from Northern Syria.


It's almost guaranteed at this point. They found lot's of precursors in Mosul, but it isn't clear where the ready-to-use chemicals went.

I'm worried they decided to save that for Raqqa knowing that the Iraqi's would have plenty of NBC equipment for capturing Mosul.


Well this gives me hope.

I really hate having been ill for such a long time. (Anti-vaccers needs to be purged)

SDF have some ambitions for Deir Ezzor too. They've created a Deir Ezzor military council.

After Raqqa and DeZ I think it's a question of consolidating gains and building a semi peaceful life again. and of course be on guard against the turkish menace.

Deir ez Zor. Which comes with the added benefit of substantial oil and gas fields, and a much stronger leverage position vis-a-vis Syrian government.

Not with the Turkish islamist cancer among their midst. Once the ISIS strongholds have been liberated I can see the conflict flowing over into Turkey.

It's impossible to build a "semi-peaceful" existence with Turkish jets bombing you all the time. And the Sultan has already stated he won't tolerate any form of Kurdish state or autonomy.
And then there's Barzani and the conflict between the KDP and PYD.

yeah you could probably be sent to Sinjar to fight with YPG and YBS against Rojpesh if you go over soon enough

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What's stopping you from going?

I think he means Raqqa will be captured before new recruits can get there.

(Article from last year)
www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-used-nerve-gas-syrian-army-outside-raqqa/

I really hope they're careful when attempting this, and have plenty of Atropine. From the looks of it they will also attack from one side.

On the other hand, only one river bank already makes it a bit easier than Mosul.

Mosul is also many times bigger. Raqqa will be much easier, but not easy of course.

the SDF also has less men, money and arms than the Iraqi Army

Few months I think
Definitely more than A Month though which is what you'd need in order to take part in Raqqa

twitter.com/shell_blog/status/838501244855537664

SSNP are running training camps in Australia lmao. YPG need to set up some training camps abroad.

lol can you imagine how ballistic the Turks would go if there were foreign training camps for the YPG in Europe and America?

The minimum commitment from volunteers is 6 months, which seems inappropriately short if training takes up several months.

>twitter.com/ThomasOz_/status/842727114151530496

Russian soldiers have apparently visited Afrin canton. Hopefully, this deter Turks and their proxies after their Manbij push failed

Afrin's always had the best relations with russia and the regime of all the cantons. hopefully the russians give em some weapons.

It's official now. They're cracking down on the KNC.

rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/17032017

On the one hand, I don't like the idea of banning the largest opposition party, but then again:

“A major difference between the PYD and the Syrian allies of the KDP is their attitude towards the Arab population in Rojava. The KDP current says: "Those people have been brought here as part of an Arabization policy of the Baath-regime and they need to leave, even if they have been here for generations.” The PYD says that everybody who now lives in Rojava should be involved in building a new society.”

cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava

Yeah fuck KDP and it's tentacles. They're literally promoting ethnic cleansing.

Well yeah, fuck those guys then.

Man, what the fuck. This party was going great and then they had to go and ruin it.

I don't know, this seems like a pretty shitty move from the PYD.
I haven't really seen the argument for why this was necessary. I get that these people have some pretty sick views of Arabs and their role in the future of northern Syria, but as long as it's just that - people in a party with shitty views - I don't see the need to demand registration and then - KNC failing to register - apprehending them on the basis of that.
I'll say two things though:
When I say that I haven't seen the argument, I mean exactly that. I assume there's some reason for why they're doing it other than "they got shitty ethics my dude", and that I just haven't heard it.
Secondly, revolutionary times calls for revolution politics, which sometimes mean doing shitty things. This might end up being the right choice from the PYD in the long run, and that it just doesn't seem that way from my comfortable office chair.

It's indeed more than just that. The KNC is a mouthpiece of the KDP, Barzani's party.
For some time now the KDP has both blockaded Rojava and tried to send over the Rojava Peshmerga in Syrian Kurdistan, while also undermining the PYD and the Rojava project by cooperating with Turkey and openly setting up anti-Rojava groups.

This seems more like an excuse to finally take action, as before the PYD was actually pretty chill. Even Baathists are allowed to operate openly in Rojava.

It's a shame it had to come to this. But there just wasn't another option. The PYD has been very patient all this time. Even when the KDP blockaded Rojava, cooperated with Turkey, set up and supported anti-Rojava/DemCon groups, arrested YPG volunteers, send the Peshmerga after the Sinjar Resistance and openly advocated ethnic cleansing.

It definitely escalated in recent weeks though, which must have been the catalyst and final nail in the coffin.

Comrades, Rojava is now looking for civilian volunteers again. Big news.

Considering they said they will post the stream on to youtube; did you guys think it would be rude and impolite if I uploaded my own video of the livestream onto youtube?

They are not even the largest opposition party; the 'Kurdish National Alliance in Syria' is.
Despite not being DemCons and slightly pro KRG; they do their best as a opposition party that doesn't collaborate with foreign governments and calls the YPG terrorists like the KNC does.

If they're look for IT techs at all then I could help there

Now every dude afraid of fighting can actually help instead of shitposting!


They probably are. Send them an email and ask.

I think it would be fine but you can always ask pisspig (@pisspiggranddad)


do it!

keep an eye on heval nestor's youtube channel

if they don't upload there within the next few days i'd say go ahead

Yeah well that's why I wanted to upload it; the internet is proper shit over there and uploading a 1 and a half clip will take them years.

Also happy Newroz everyone!

yahoo.com/news/kurds-rally-frankfurt-democracy-turkey-181943407.html

:DD

Hell yeah, motherfuckers.

Anyone have a good article on Turkification of Kurds in the 20s? I read an article about how the state would cut the tongues out of kurds who spoke kurdish and such, but I can't find it again.

I think I will. Nothing for me in this country.

Which country?

UK. I have a college certificate in IT but the porky job market is too fucking cancerous to sell my labour to.

are there consequences to joining YPG/IFB with your identity exposed? e.g. pisspig

ISIS offers bounties to western volunteers
Other than that it depends on the country. Denmark you get a few months based on a law which prevents citizens from joining groups in Syria (to combat ISIS, kek), don't know of any other red tape, US "doesn't condone" joining but won't prosecute, and obviously Turkey wouldn't be too happy.
Likely the worst that could happen if you aren't in some Sunni authoritarian state is getting killed by an ISIS sleeper cell which is unlikely

Got a source? Because I don't think that's gone through court yet, but I might be completely wrong here, last time I researched this was 6+ months ago. As far as I understand the only things that have gone through court have been travel bans, and in the case of the one YPJ fighter who has been under a travel ban she hasn't actually tried it in court because she was in Syria both when it was given and a year later when it was extended.

Careful where you tread. The YPG(uncertain) and PKK(definitely certain) are considered terror orgs in most of the Anglo nations, Australia and Britain included. Just visiting Syria is grounds to be detained and interrogated here.

I think only Turkey considers the YPG to be the Syrian wing of the PKK, and thus a terrorist organization.

PKK is also considered a terror organization in mainland Europe.

Fug, what do I do comrades?

My impression is it's SLIGHTLY more complicated than that? The EU itself classifies it as a terror organization but more member nations DON'T classify it as such than do.

Whatever you do, keep in mind that preparation is key to survival. The less you have to pick up down there, the greater your odds are for ever coming back.

If you dont feel comfortable, dont do it.

Yeah I think a Belgian court ruled in favour of the PKK and said their fight was legitimate.

Turkish lobbies extremely hard for PKK to be recognised as terrorists though. In fact most of their lobbying is based around "pls recognise Gulenists and PKK are as terrorists"

This will be the same after SDF liberate Raqqa. A lot of people in Raqqa are probably afraid that SDF are bloodthirsty communists because that's what ISIS has been telling them for years, but when people actually see SDF they realise it's bs. pkk1978 also said that Arabs used to run away when they saw YPG (they'd later come back and realise there was no reason to run away)

I'm going to basic training in my country to get prepared. No way I'm going into battle unprepared like most volunteers. The sad part about the YPG is that their combat-training is actually combat. I read a reddit AMA where an international volunteer said that a western tabur (its name was just a few numbers, I think) suffered heavy casualties because the guys had no prior training. Most of it is luck, I guess, but understanding what you need and don't need to do in such a scenario is key. Besides, actual military training will not only help you survive, it would also make you more effective in your combat role.

I've heard on the news that a danish-kurdish dude got his passport taken because he went to Syria. Tbh, I'd rather go through Sweden than Denmark, since I have never heard of anyone being detained for going to Syria there

twitter.com/charles_lister/status/843203061216677888

wtf I love tankies now

seriously though is there anything more pathetic than being a Western paid shill for salafist rebels

his avi looks like he's having a stroke

When can we get a heval chichek banner?

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Yeah, a travel ban. A travel ban is pretty different from actually serving time. I know they passed that amendment back in 2015 or whenever to make it possible to give ISIS fighters &c a travel ban - by revoking their passport (interesting to note here that in a post-schengen world, this doesn't actually in any way stop you from leaving the country). But I don't think there's any precedence of criminal charges, or at least there wasn't the last time I researched this.

There was a woman, a dane, that briefly joined the YPJ, and she was arrested and charged but ultimately the charges was dropped.
That sets the legal precedence.

Got a link?

How do you do that without committing yourself to a long stretch in the military? Are there private training courses you can pay for?

b.dk/nationalt/oestre-landsret-loeslader-joanna-palani

Not that guy, but in many countries you can do basic training that lasts for a couple of months with no long term commitment, here there's a pretty long waiting list though.


Since you said 'briefly' I thought you were referring to someone else, she's been in Syria multiple times.
Yeah I know of this case. The prosectution never pressed any charges on basis of fighting in the SCW, they only pressed charges because she opposed the travel ban, which I'm pretty sure went to court - can't remember if they passed sentence.
The prosecution didn't make a statement about whether or not they would press charges for fighting, which might mean that they don't have a case to make yet or that they're still investigating the legal situation. I feel that if it was a clear-cut case of them not having a strong legal basis to charge her on, they would just have said that.
The prosecution might still charge her and all the ISIS fighters tomorrow, but as of now the only precedence is - as you say yourself - the fact that the prosecution has chosen to not press charges even when the evidence is pretty strong.

Well, that's obviously a given, but I'm not sure what I could prepare for other than fitness, Kurdish, and maybe shooting.

I don't think anyone can feel comfortable about going into a war zone. I'm always wanted to be a soldier and this finally seems like an opportunity to be one and actually do something good. I'm just afraid of going over there and not having any idea what I should do. I could prevent that by joining and getting trained by an actual military, but of course that, along with deserting is pretty extreme and might not be worth it and my worries might be overstated.

Unfortunately if I did that, I'm have to desert sooner or later if I actually wanted to help Rojava and not just be another pawn to be used by imperialism.

This sounds so weird to my ears, like, you can't do basic training without also commiting to long term service? Where in the world are you at?

The US.

The idea of being able to do basic training without committing sounds strange to me.

Why would an organisation train you without demanding something in return?

Chichek's story of running away from forced marriage to the YPJ is very common. Tons of very young Kurdish in Turkey girls run away from their parents who are forcing them into marriage and join the PKK.

The PKK then gets portrayed as having kidnapped children.

Because they believe it's a public good to have militarily trained populace?
The millitary is publicly funded. Asking why they would do that without demanding something in return is like asking why should the state give welfare to the weak? Why should the state fund research, culture or any other thing that a state does that doesn't necessarily have any direct ROI.
It's also a good way to get people into the military, we don't really have the same tradition of 'muh troops' here as in the US. Get young people to spend their gap year doing "SEMPER FI" for a couple of weeks, show them how to shoot a gun, give them free food and a punch of pocket money and a lot will stay around afterwards.


It might just be the european social democracy in me that's speaking then. We have a mandatory 'draft' service that lasts 4 months I believe, it's pretty much just some basic training afaik, they just get so many volunteers that nobody has actually been drafted for like a decade.
I considered doing it for the weapons training and muh hireability, and I still might if I ever find myself without home or work. The pay is also pretty good.

It speaks volumes that they'd rather risk their lives and fight ISIS than to have all ambition and joy beaten out of them by assigned husbands.

There are women in Uzbekistan who, rather than continue living with their husbands and their husband's brothers and so on, choose death by self-immolation. They choose burning cooking oil over systemic acquaintance-rape. Craig Murray described this phenomenon as being so common that there was a hospital/shelter in Samarkand full of mummified women, attended to by a handful of female doctors, abandoned by everyone else.

As painful as it is to see Chichek go to war so young, I can't really blame her for wanting to.

Not entirely sure what that means but Russian and YPG relations are growing stronger by the day

Aint that beautiful friends

Was there any other group that managed to get both Russian and American support at the same time?

reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKBN16R1H4


Yes, YPG as a semi neutral actor in the syrian civil war are prepared to take what they can from both sides.

reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ypg-exclusive-idUSKBN16R1QS

At the end of the day the only thing Rojava can rely on is its own strenght and its ideological commitment.

Say 100,000 YPG in Syria and about 30,000 PKK in Turkey and you've got 130,000 socialist revolutionaries right there. And there's thousands of other leftist allies in the region too. Beautiful to see :')

That's nothing. The active Turkish Army personnel alone counts more than 600,000, with millions of citizens available for military services.

Obviously it's smaller than the conscripted army of a nation of 73 million but it's a good starting point.

How should I proselytize the good word of Murray Bookchin to normies?

Memes are good. If they're actually interested in reading his work, then The Next Revolution is a good book to promote.

I remember when I first became a leftist I always romanticized the Spanish civil war and wished to have been alive to witness it. Fast forward to today I get the muh privilege to witness the Rojava revolution save itself from utter annihilation at Kobane, against all odds, to then go on to defeat Da'esh at the gates of Raqqa, help build the International Freedom Battalion and defend itself against Turkey.
What a wonderful time to be alive.

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IIRC the PKK is celibate, just like the YPJ. I am aware that kurdish society still has conservative elements but I feel that
is just türkröach propaganda


Mediocre

We (western leftist orgs) should be the one's setting up training camps and funneling fighters to Rojava.

I always romanticized the Spanish Civil War as well read both For Whom the Bell Tolls and Homage to Catalonia in my late teens. I always thought if there was another situation like that I would undoubtedly join the leftist side. Now that I have the opportunity I feel paralyzed. Should I finish school first? What would my parents think? Do I have the temperament to fight and kill? It feels bad, I feel like a coward.

Don't feel bad m8. Don't let what others expect and think to influence what you what to do and what you think is right. Finish school if you want to go down the path it leads to. Your parents will probably hate the idea because they don't want you to die in some war, but it's your life to live. I don't think there truly is the right temperament: there's 16 YO sheltered girls and 40 YO war veteran men fighting, killing, and dying right now, along with hundreds of western volunteers just like you. But don't feel like a coward; if you go over there, you should do it because you want to make a difference in the world, not because you think you have some obligation and that you're a bad person for not fulfilling it.

That last bit always gets me.

I know how it feels man, I'm in the same boat. I feel energetic about the revolution but am still in education.
But seriously don't feel bad; abandoning school half way through ain't a good idea in the long term in case things don't go as planned. Also dying young is pretty shit and will just add to your death anxiety which isn't good on the battle ground.
Also you ain't a coward pal; if you've got obligations at home then that's just normal and even seriously considering about throwing away everything just to fight for people you've never met is something not many people are willing to do.

If things go as planned they will need educated people more than anything else. Seriously get educated and join the recently reestablished oppertunity to join the civilian side.

They have enough fighters, what they truly need are revolutionaries that can build the revolution itself and not just protect the seedling of it. Also you will experience a massivly underreported side of Rojava and can inform people of the things that we actually care about.

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Well that pretty much summaries my plan tbh. Though by the time I finally finish the rest my education the SDF would have already stormed into and taken both Istanbul and Baghdad.

kek, revolutionary banter

you know I'm really impressed with Rojava's security system. I only really thought about it after the Damascus bombing the other day but they they a great job.

If you are serious about helping just ask them, they literally need everyone with some education.

en.eldorar.com/node/5175

Nice

twitter.com/Dr_Partizan/status/843889343722934272

twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/843474204230062080

PUK Pesh to take part in Raqqa op?

Isis has a lot more sensational headlines and publicity.
I think normies dont even know there is a far left, communist thing going on.
I think the kurds could use some high production propaganda videos themselves.
Also, really, when there is an actual chance to fight all the big talkers are going to run away and be all "yeah, got homework to do", while the people with nothing to lose are going to go running in.

ISIS' propaganda should be studied after this all ends. They burned their Amaq offices in Mosul before they were captured which is a bummer.

They put out some of the greatest and most crisp combat footage I've ever seen. I'm assuming they lose tons of camera men due to how close to the fighting they are.

PUK trained Rojavan special forces so it could be that they are doing this again.

Its sad that all the supposed leftist in media are just liberals and not geniune radicals that would be willing to help out in Rojava.

Wonder if this is the same cultural autonomy the Russians proposed the last time (ie you can speak Kurdish and celebrate Kurdishness but that's it), which PYD outright rejected.

am watching this documentary about yazidis

youtube.com/watch?v=E5ip7OFHJ_k

are they rojava?

the only Yazidi factions who are aligned with Rojava are the YBS and YJE. They are located on Shengal mountain in Iraq.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinjar_Resistance_Units

I just skimmed through and it seems like these are Peshmerga Yazidis. So they're not Rojava aligned. YBS are our guys.

Here's a documentary about the liberation of Sinjar. PKK, YPG and YBS are heavily featured:

youtube.com/watch?v=sTnS2YbFBkA

link

Daily reminder that every demcon on this board should help the revolution in anyway. I get that a lot of y'all don't want to see combat, but you could still help in a non-lethal role. A dude old as dirt from the gernan ML party went there to build shit that helps the population. I get the feeling that a lot of people here are just larpers avoiding action in an actual revolution. This is the fucking spanish civil war of our generation - the most important and sincere revolutionary event since the creation of this board.

Is there anyone here who has been through the process of applying to join the YPG? I contacted them a couple of weeks ago, was given the standard list of questions to answer, and submitted my answers. Since then, though, I've gone a week without getting any reply. As they had asked, I sent them a reminder after 3 days, but it doesn't appear to have made a difference. I don't know what to make of this. I know from posts made here that even if you get rejected they tell you and explain why.

Do you send your stuff encrypted or unencrypted? Try the opposite of what you are currently doing. Just stay persistent their organisation seems to be lacking.

I did it encrypted at first but they couldn't import my public key for some reason so I switched to unencrypted. I'm glad that you also got the impression that they are unorganised, I was worried it was a reflection on me. But they did reply promptly every time until now.

IFB said in their periscope that it takes persistence to get everything finalised so it's normal.

in non Rojava news: the rebels have apparently begun a huge offensive to take Hama.

periscope.tv/Antidote2017

twitter.com/SOSYALlST/status/843929002733723648

Good music taste tbh, future communist music will truly depart from the marches of the past.

PKK on the other hand literally use Pirates of the Carribean soundtrack in their Gerila vids.

lmao that's so cringy

Two Steps from Hell is also pretty common

atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/turkey-is-in-a-bind-as-syria-s-war-approaches-its-final-chapter?utm_content=bufferbb386&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

good article on turkey's failed attempts to cockblock YPG

Russians and YPG volunteers celebrating Newroz.

The Russians seem to be a lot more hands on and cool than the Americans.

Probably because the Russians are regular soldiers, probably including conscripts just doing their minimum, while the Americans are ultra-cool badass SPECOPs that might know these are the type of people they usually kill.

reddit.com/r/rojava/comments/60nxsa/would_the_resistance_accept_an_anarchocapitalist/

W E W

This isn't the first time I've seen ancaps support Rojava.
Something something - no taxes, private property - something.

Actually not that surprising, considering that ancap would just turn into feudalism without local ownership of resources. You can't allow unregulated capitalism, enforce its excesses and hope to have anything resembling "freedom" at the end of it.

be sure to inform us along the way when they get back to you

twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/844323394510356480

extremely unreliable source but he says that Erdogan has given some Euphrates Shield rebels to go ahead to abandon fighting YPG so they can go fight in Idlib

What is the difference between libertarian municipalism and Ocalan's democratic confederalism?

Definitely an anarcho-"capitalist" that's just ignorant of what Capitalism truly is and think it's the same thing as free-exchange and markets.

A lot of people here like to conflate the "anarcho" and the "capitalists" ancaps into one, when they're really quite different, considering the "anarcho" ones are basically crypto-feudalists while the "capitalist" ones are basically just ignorant anarcho-individualists.

SDF seem to be making an attempt at Tabqa. SAA are getting blitzed around Hama by the rebels.

USA made an airdrop near Taqbah, I garuantee you that they used the recently arrived PUK SF for that too.

twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/844516719649587200

This Tabqa op sounds like a simultaneous amphibian and air drop mission. Here's the gains so far.

I'd expect the SDF troops involved to be some of the best so I could definitely imagine PUK special forces and maybe YPG's own special forces HAT.

Fuck, that is absolutely genius.

>tfw the war might be over before you can get there ;__;

little rundown on Taqba

Seriously though, how long will it be now? I can see ISIS crumbling very quickly.

Does erdogan literally control ISIS or what?


independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-erdogan-germany-netherlands-warning-europeans-not-walk-safely-a7642941.html


independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-parliament-shooting-live-latest-updates-people-shot-westminster-commons-met-police-theresa-a7643716.html

called it

Atleast a year to go barring major geopolitical shifts or failing gov-SDF relationship.

Why do you say that?

get ready for "leftists are scared to confront radical islamist terror" hot takes

When you see the extremely fast offensives by the SDF you allways underestimate how long things will drag on between them. Its evident that they aim to sorround Raqqa completely so we will have some months more of fighting on the southern side of the river. Then there could very well be a few weeks if not months of waiting time till the assault on Raqqa starts in ernest, preparing and recruiting. After that DeZ is on the plan probably, which is another two major phases to close in on the city, and then the city itself. Cleaning all the way to the Iraqi border will also take a month at least. I also still believe that propper conflict with Euphrates Shield will happen, sooner or later.

Afrin will probably get into conflict with the Idlib rebels once Rojava made a basic agreement with Assad, as I dont think negotiating with the rebels is possible. They have laid claims on some crucial regions at the border before. And trying to aquire more land to increase their standing is only reasonable.

Turkey or Barzani going insane is allways possible, Assad being dumb too. SDF internal disputes could also delay things till they sort out the exact composition of the attacking forces.

I think when SAA launch an assault towards Idlib (which is a long while off and will be one of the biggest battle of the war), Afrin SDF will start to push in when the rebels are collapsing, much like how Sheikh Maqsoud operated when Aleppo was falling. Russia will give em a nudge to do so too.

Jaysh al Thuwar have a heavy presence in Afrin and they're itching to do a number on the jihadists in Idlib who kicked them out.

Syrian Civil War Map‏ @CivilWarMap 12m12 minutes ago
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Syrian Democratic Forces captured Tabqa Dam from #ISIS

how can one revolutionary socialist guerrilla army be so based

So when the YPG talk about beginning the attack on Raqqa in early April, they just mean the encirclement of the city?

B L I T Z E D

Early April still seems very soon to me.

Syriac Military Council have chosen this as their flag and have erected them around Hasakah. Bit Romanian.

Do they want civilian volunteers who don't have any particular skills?

By civilian, do you mean that you lack military experience or that you want to serve in a civilian role? If the former, yes, if the latter, no.

twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/844663106282369028

Russia's gonna give Afrin SDF 600 police dogs.

Can't have too many doggos

what do the colors represent?

Apparently those are reoccurring colours in Assyrian folklore. Found this explanation:


In western dialect: O’tad’o 3abirina… Habobe da haqle SHA3ITHI ou SAMIQI (the flowers of the field are red and yellow).


If we follow our folk traditions and use those three colors, Red Yellow and Blue, then one of those three colors would be agreed to represent Assyrians, and the second color would be agreed to represent Chaldeans, and the third color would be agreed to represent Syriacs, then we have the problem solved, because we would have a unified flag. It could be just 3 plain colors, or if the people agree to add a 4-pointed star, and/or an 8-pointed star, and/or a winged disc, that’s fine, no problem, they can add that too and get over with it, and have one flag!

Here's another little piece about Assyrian symbols and colours:

archive.is/4Oez6#selection-611.130-611.616

anyone got any recent polls regarding the upcoming referendum in Turkey? last I saw Erdo was struggling more than expected

youtube.com/watch?v=aftoBdrjm7Q

nice documentary on SDF. Manages to show some non YPG forces like Sanadid too, which is rare.

a new poll that isn't a pro-gov shill should be released by tomorrow

Some pics from the Taqba op.

They're gonna go on and take Taqba city and the airbase now too.

Nice to see the YPG got some real equipment and not old AK's

yeah, I think those guys were special forces tho

They're financed by someone or some contry? Or they just receive russian training?

There are YPG special forces. If they are the ones on the picture I am not entirely sure. But judging by the small person in the background of the third pic with a YPJ patch it is likely as no other group has female special forces.

Russian, American, French, German and even some gov equipment. The YPG are diplomatic realpolitik at its best.

Yup, you can see their 'YAT' (Yekineyen Anti-Teror) badges here if you look closely. YAT are YPG special forces. HAT are Asayish special forces. And I think HPX are HPC special forces.

Every tier of Rojava's defense forces has a special forces branch and often a female branch too. Hella acronyms bruh.

Generous US help? I mean, good for them, but superior ideology didn't airlift anyone.

THE CALIPH DON'T LIKE IT
(rocking the Tabqa, rocking the Tabqa)

How do Communalists and Kurds in Rojava view Socialists/Marxists?

I know that most of the western volunteers are Anarchists. Is it because there's a stigma against socialists on the ground?

Not at all. YPG s one of the least sectarian leftist groups in the ground. They have the M-L MLKP and other socialist groups as allies on the ground and MLKP international volunteer Ivana Hoffman has been continously honored as a sehid/martyr

Very interesting, but…
I consider myself to be more of a Luxemburgist. I am more ideologically similar to the anarchists.
Are there any other socialist group you can think of? I want to learn more about the foreign factions helping out in Rojava.

This is a good overview.
cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/peace/conflict_resolution/syria-conflict/foreign-volunteers-for-syrian-kurdish-forces-2017.02.23.pdf

If you're thinking of joining I'd say the Antifa tabur is multi-tendency and has lots of western volunteers compared to other groups which are mostly Turkish socialists

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5v8v80/what_role_does_the_marxistleninist_party_of/de0eyeq/?context=3&utm_content=context&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage

This is a PKK fighter's explanation of the PKK and YPG's relationship with the MLKP and the MLs and Maoists in general.

Rojava opens its doors to any leftist militant group from Turkey. So now you have groups like MLKP and TIKKO with bases of operation in Rojava and Qandil (PKK headquarters in Iraq).

Thanks for your resources.

to be fair to the Marxist Leninists, between the German MLs who helped in Kobani's reconstruction and MLKP's extensive community work and of course military backup in Rojava, they've helped the revolution out a great deal. It's nice to see leftist groups stick together in a region swarming with reactionary forces. It's this close coordination and solidarity that will benefit the leftists if anything ever kicks off in Turkey.

Are you Anglo? Because bob crow is a bunch of British, Irish, Yank an Canuk lads who are pretty diverse.


Anyone have any civi organisations working out there?

something like this you mean?

I am western but not white. I am fine with white people though.

YPG have had volunteers from everywhere, from China to Brazil. So your background or colour wouldn't matter regardless.

Oh I meant more in terms of language. Even with rudimentary Kurmanji, speaking with people in your native tongue would be important.

Solid, I actually have skills in the production side of things so eh.

I speak English fluently and I know some basic Turkish and Esperanto. My Kurmanji is slowly improving.

Oh, and on an unrelated note: how do people even get to Rojava nowadays? I am not going (I know you are watching ms. May), I am just leigt interested.

Where the Assyrians really just Don cossacks the entire time?

lundi.am/Sulaymaniyah-Kurdistan-irakien-le-24

lundi.am/Rejoindre-le-Rojava-Episode-2

lundi.am/Rejoindre-le-Rojava-Episode-3

lundi.am/Rejoindre-le-Rojava-Episode-4

Comrades these diary entries from a French volunteer (that Blanquist guy PPG talks about) details the journey to Rojava and fairly up to date tellings of his exploits there. Very good reading. If you can't read French just pop it into Google Translate.


You fly to Sulaymaniyah and then a YPG contact will come pick you (and other volunteers) up and smuggle you across the border.

it's legal if you're a Brit I think

obviously advised against, but legal

Still doesn't mean GCHQ won't put me on a list for mentioning it, and I would rather have the ability to fly for now thank.

They let people who have already been to Syria go back out again, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

>twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/844980278259073025

Poor Erdoggy is sad Holla Forums :(

What do?

this is absolutely hilarious because after months of autistic screenching Erdogan has finally given up and acknowledged he got BTFO

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How do most Turks view the Kurds? I thought the average Kurd was in favor of peace in the Southeast but this article implies that 4 years ago most Kurds were angry that Erdoğan was negotiating with the PKK.

dissentmagazine.org/blog/occupy-gezi-and-the-kurdish-turkish-conflict


lol poor turkish hitler

Not all Kurds are pro-PKK. A large number of Turkish Kurds are Islamists, supporting Islamist Kurdish parties like Huda Par/(Turkish/Kurdish) Hezbollah or support AKP.

There are also those Kurds who were recruited by the Turkish government as village guards against PKK

there'll never be concrete numbers on to what extent Kurds support the PKK but look at the predominately Kurdish areas in Turkey and look at the party they vote for. It's HDP (purple). During the peace process HDP acted as PKK's political wing and HDP's ideology is broadly similar to the PKK's, if a bit more watered down for parliamentary politics.

As said thought there's a very large amount of pro Erdogan and Islamist, conservative Kurds too.

I made typo.
I meant that I thought the average Turk in Turkey was in favor of peace but that article paints the picture that a few years ago, many Turks protested against Erdoğan because he was negotiating with the PKK.

Very interesting. I didn't know that Kurds were that divided regarding autonomy.

Just because you want autonomy does not mean you like the PKK. PKK did a lot of shit over the decades and many blame them for bringing the war to the cities.

Yeah thatswhy Erdogan started the war, he lost to many votes to the nationalists and the HDP because of the peace process.

I think most Turks are in favor of military annihilation of the PKK rather than a peace process tbh. It's easy for a Turk in Istanbul who's never been to the South East to vote down peace though. This happened in Columbia too. The areas most affected by the FARC/Government war unanimously voted for peace in their referendum whilst city dwellers who would never have to face the consequences voted for more war.

I see. So he may win the upcoming referendum because he is agressively courting the nationalists.
I assume Turkey has more nationalists than HDP/Kurdish sympathizers.

Which is why NI voted on good friday: not the whole of the UK.

This makes sense. And it makes sense why Kurdish citizens in Bakur are hesitant to support the PKK.

Do the cosmopolitan Turks even realize that the Kurds are being slaughtered in the south? That they have a separate language and culture?

Erdogan has entered a sort of coalition with the fascist party MHP but MHP voters themselves are kind of split on Erdogan, to the point where Erdogan can no longer count on them and is in danger of losing the upcoming referendum. That's why he's trying to aggressively campaign in Europe. The diaspora in Germany and Holland could make or break this referendum for Erodgan. It's kind of on a knife edge.

Even cosmopolitan turks are raging nationalists that believe the anti-Kurd propaganda even when they know that most media is in the hand of Erdogan, its pretty insane. Only minorities and socialist Turks support the Kurds from my impression. Not an actual expert though.

The consensus seems to be:

"Kurds used to be oppressed but they aren't anymore, why are they stilling whinging?"

and

"Barely any civilians are killed, it's all propaganda… we only kill terrorists, Kurds are our brothers"

Then you have the MHP/Grey Wolves types who openly celebrate civilian Kurds getting murdered. These type of people are very common in the military and committed many atrocities against Kurds in the battles of 2015.

Why is the MHP split on Erdogan?

I always run raging nationalist teenagers who seem to be into mainstream pop culture but then claim the Kurds are terrorists. I simply brushed them off as extreme nationalists on facebook, but it's saddening to hear that they are common.

Think some MHP view Erdogan as a traitor and terrorist sympathiser for initiating peace talks with PKK. There also seems be be divide on the Turkish far right between Islamo fascists and secular fascists. Erdogan's Islamist leaning AKP might not jell with the latter faction.

SDF are calling on Deir Ezzor refugees to join SDF in preparation for the liberation of the city. So if you wanna see some action, you might miss Raqqa, but you could arrive in time for Deir Ezzor

Nah
Raqqa is going to drag out for years. It's an actual historical caliphate capital. ISIS is going to fight even more fiercely for it than they're fighting for Mosul.

Kobane, Manbij and currently the last of Mosul has only taken months and not years. It'll take a long time to take Raqqa, sure, but "years" is an overstatement imo. Idk tho I ain't no expert.

It's build on one side of the Euphrates, facing Rojavan territory.
It's also smaller than Mosul.

Google translate fucks up sometimes but I can still understand. Great writing by him. I hope he's safe. Pic he posted.

He was in the IFB periscope with PissPig the other day so he's defo safe.

I find it interesting that he wrote very disparagingly against the sort of social media presence PissPig maintains. I like PPG and he's funny, but sometimes he overdoes it with all the selfies and interviews I feel.

Hang the poor.

>>>/neoreactionary/

foxnews.com/world/2017/03/24/social-justice-warriors-jump-into-kurdish-syrian-struggle.html

Oh for fuck sake

This is what I meant, unpoliticals shitting on politicals even when the YPG itselve like the politicals much more. While pretending that the political ones never fight. Pure scum.

I feel like journos are the sweet spot between unprotected and deserving to be killed in the street by crazed loners.

What I found particularly distasteful is the guy ridiculing "the fertiliser project" or however he framed it.

twitter.com/EndiZentarmi/status/818221992910475264?s=09

coopfunding.net/en/campaigns/feed-the-revolution/

This is what he's talking about. Rojava Plan raised 100,000 euro and undoubtedly helped Rojava a great deal with the project. Disgusting that it's shrugged off as some "brooklyn hipster idealism".

Not to mention that afaik ALL volunteers on the civilian side are ideologically motivated to a degree. How many non ideological idiots have become cadre in the party and help to strenghten the revolution? Do they think that the revolution is not important? Do these people completely forget that the YPG was only capable of defending the Kurdish people because of ideological cohesion and dedication? I really dont get liberals sometimes. Even they should be able to see that Rojava only works because they are not Barzani nationalists that allied with Al-Qaeda and try to implement Kurdish nationalism in arabic areas.

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I could see someone not totally educated on the situation going "well the PKK are terrorists right?"

It's not exactly wise to publicly support the PKK in countries that consider it a terrorist organization. Just saying

Its easy to support the YPG command but criticising the PKK command for specific actions. And if you look at the individuals in charge of the PKK and make an informed deciscion that their ideological direction is bunk but the PYDs one isnt then there is nothing wrong with supporting the PYD but being highly critical of the PKK.

Interesting reading. Also semi confirms my suspicion that Afrin will play a part in liberating Idlib when the time comes.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-syria-russian-troops-arrive-afrin.html#ixzz4cHfIdG2N

Never trust a Turk.

Just kidding, there are good Turks browsing this board.

Screw going back to kill hitler that all turns out alright in the end. Go back to kill ataturk.

Ye, PPG is criticised a lot for this social media presence. These guys are incredibly brave, I think they have every right to boast about what they are doing. The frenchman doesn't seem to be too keen on this, even though he states that pictures, etc. are a big part of modern activist culture - you know, the whole agitate part of leftism and such

That's the west for you. Multitudes of faggots behind keyboards.

Are people pro-Assad in here?
I sure as hell hope you are.

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Pro-Assad as in better than rebels? yeah, no shit

Pro-Assad as in I view him as the great anti-imperialist (tm) proletarian hero like tankie twitter does? fuck that noise

people generally accept Assad as the lesser evil to Al Qaeda but I wouldn't say pro Assad either.

People like PPG are important to get the word out. If the criticism is that PPG is monopolizing the social media presence then it's really because others aren't doing more about it.
I like that French guy, but he has essentially no "name" to him, no identity. People like to admire and draw inspiration from "Heroes". Remember that female commander that died in Kobane? Those are the kinds of people that instill inspiration and motivation.

It would really help if there was a media division that could do daily updates -in English - about Rojava. Not just war, but also the work they're doing. Basically TYT style.
Youtube is actually great for this because of how accessible it is.


I wouldn't say "pro-Assad" as much as the opinion that Assad is not the priority, and removing him is not desirable.
In the end you can be pro-Rojava, while still recognizing Assad is at least a "necessary evil" or admire how he turned things around.

And Rojava-Baath relations definitely appear to be warming from the look of it.

RIP Arin Mirkan

And how is he evil again?
If he does to Syria what Kadhafi did to Libya, he sure as hell shouldn't be considered evil in any way.

So many stories of heroism from Kobani.


When all is said and done Kobani's resistance will be looked upon as the pivotal moment in Rojava's history.

You mean besides being a despot that tortures people? see

Every country on earth does that.
And in a region as unstable as the ME, do you expect him to be clean ?

I am turkish and thinking of joining would I get discriminated against because of tensions between Turks and the PKK. I wanna join because I'm a communalist and believe in the right to self determination

No you wouldn't. The majority of the non-Kurdish foreign volunteers in Rojava are Turks.

No, YPG has loads of Turkish socialist parties as allies. Just pick and choose here


cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/peace/conflict_resolution/syria-conflict/foreign-volunteers-for-syrian-kurdish-forces-2017.02.23.pdf

Doesn't make it OK
Retarded logic. You're not even good at being an assad apologist

Turks are the most numerous non Kurd volunteers in the YPG. Many, many Turks have died fighting for Rojava. Both PKK and YPG have extensive links with Turkish leftists groups. I don't think as a Turk people would find your presence weird or distasteful, not in the slightest. A ton of YPG likely speak Turkish too.

Please be very careful with this though comrade. It's obviously especially dangerous for you as a Turk as a leftist in a time like this.

archive.org/details/DemocraticConfederalismAudioBook

Apo's Democratic Confederalism in audio book form!

Now I can tell people I have "read" the book. I'd never admit I listened to an audiobook tho

Of course you're welcome. As others have said Turkish volunteers make up the greatest share of foreign volunteers.
But as said, be careful when contacting the YPG. Use a VPN and do not use your real name. You can get in serious trouble.

Bruh, Democratic Confederalism is his shortest work. It's a few hours of reading tops

Did anyone upload the interview with IFB members on periscope?

Gaddafi was cool guy, actually

Just because they have a right to doesn't mean they should. Narcissism is annoying and tries to take the focus from the greater collective and transfers it onto the one individual.

Getting the word out is important, ya, but it should be about the war and revolution, not about yourself, and I think that's the criticism PPG gets, in that the articles and the social media posts are centered on him and not the revolution. People do like heroes, but you can't really artificially create a hero.

I meant in a way that highlights the struggle. That why the YPG likes foreigners, it's good publicity. More people need to know about the revolution, and the best way is not through bullshit mainstream media that only describes them as "kurds", that's why the people who have been there should spread the word. I totally agree that the "pathalogical cases" (the rambos and psychos) shouldn't have anything to do with the revolution. But having sincere people (that aren't just revolutionaries) spread awareness, like that: above mentioned frenchman; the Italian that wrote "il Combatante"; or the Swede, Jesper Söder; Jordan Matson; or that britt with Reddit AMA's; etc. The war is one of the most documented ever, we get real time tweets about combat and operations, as such it only makes sense for the political side to be just as covered - which is why I fully support international fighters sharing stories and pictures, teaching the world about Rojava. But as you said, there is narcissism involved. I think this could be solved by having the members post anonymously. It do not like it when PPG is known as a war tourist and is being accused of being a poser, but he brought it on himself with too many egocentric (and hipster ironic/sarcastic) publicities. I would enjoy having the foreigners be anonymous rather than scream their names, this way they aren't accused of narcissism and thrill seeking- but to be honest the foreigners do want to get their name out, just like the frenchman said,

> twitter.com/PissPigGranddad

Apparently PPG ate a meal with SAA. Molly and Phil will have a fit

twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/845576733420081153

Your average SAA soldier is likely a conscript with no bad feelings towards the YPG or Kurds. Funny how Western tankies who've never been to Syria or probably even never met a Syrian are so angry at the YPG on their behalf

The revolution will be led from my bedroom. Armchair revolutionaries are the true vanguard.

periscope.tv/Antidote2017/1OwxWPMogRjKQ Here you can find both vids.

Well of course. Assad is the solution to a prosper and wealthy Syria overall. Rojava will be a part of this new Syria. Most Kurds support this, but want autonomy within this new Syria.

For anyone interested in /SyrianGeneral/ telegram chat: t.me/syriageneral

Even their stupid ass memes show how retarded these guys are, lol.


Why'd they care? Some insignificant faggot doing nothing of relevance, oh wow. This will change the entire conflict. Geez, you people are desperate.


Syrian soldiers not giving much of a fuck about kurds, because Syria was a secular multicultural nation from the start, has nothing to do with the overall treacherous character of the kurdish nationalists whoring out to the US. Some footsoldier wont have any trouble, but if they'll start fighting against Syrian unity, they'll be shot by that very same soldier without batting an eye.
No "tankie" ever had a problem with kurds fighting ISIS in general (US money against US money though, that "irony" or rather scheme they're ignoring for their ethnonation state, lmao). However, if they attack Syrian unity, they'll be ended rightly. This is nothing but a warning of consequences while laughing at western anarkiddies for their pseudo-revolution that isn't socialist, US driven and was formerly very anti Assad and had no interest in remaining in Syria.
Funny how you fags now pretend this never was the idea behind it. Wetting their pants over their failed US destabilization and now trying to fall into the syrian governments favor again.

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nice meme

who treated its Kurdish minority like shit and tried their best to Arabify them

protip: they won't, never said they will, haven't done anything of the sort

SAA got their shit kicked in in Hasakeh and Qamishlo when clashes erupted.

The war is coming into its final chapter and the victors will be SAA and SDF. Reconciliation between the two is tentatively starting and people are happy. Why aren't you happy that there'll be peace in Syria?

are you a salafist or something bro

if you had any idea how much you sound like tankie twitter

The Iraqi government has suspended the Mosul offensive because of an outcry over civilian casualties. Big deal or nah?

theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/25/iraq-suspends-mosul-offensive-after-coalition-airstrike-atrocity

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It still is, and that's exactly what the Federation wishes to preserve.

Now get lost tankie. They're actually trying to build an anti-imperialist alliance.
Go support ISIS or something.


DemCon-Ba'aath-Social Nationalist Alliance when?

kurds can have their country if they like but if they secede from syria they get crushed by turkey unless they become US bitches, like a second israel, where CIA-chosen white kurds rule over black kurds and steal yemen kurd babies from hospitals.

they aren't asking for their own country. they want a federalized syria.

i don't really care what kind of word games the US tells them to play.
the whole SDF thing was ridiculous enough, as if turkey was as retarded as the americans and europeans who fall for the al-Qaida to al-Nusra to al-Sham to HTS renaming.

Funny that the government is copying them with their muh women brigades. At least YPJ actually fights and are not just medal sluts for anti-imperialists and senior SAA generals to have a wank over


Nice buzzword my retarded friend. What sounds more like an ethnonation state to you: Syrian Arab Republic or Democratic Federation of North Syria?

Hint: One of those removed Rojava because of its ethnic connotation


Like they did in Hasakah in 2016? Imao tankie boy. Keep dreaming

Who knew countries with deep states and intelligence networks could be just as retarded as your average man on the street?

They're cooperating with the SAA, and like you said, they would be forced to deal with the threat of Turkey as their own country. Why would they want to be their own country.

turkroach detected.

They also have Russian support. In fact, Russians were the one who most support their federal project (i.e. pitching that federal constitution in Astana, facillitating negotiations between gov and PYD in Hmeimim)

i'm not saying kurds are terrorists, just that renaming PKK to SDF is retarded as fuck.


well as long as assad has other areas to retake first he will accept whatever system the kurds are using. the question is if they can convince him that their system still benefits him after the war.
googling for "kurds syria federalized" yields only shit results, do you have a link to a good summary of what they plan to do to get protection from turkish aristrikes?
from what i heard turkish military can't do shit against anyone in syria on the ground.

What?

Look at it from another angle: How does going to war with the Federation - thus ensuring the complete destruction and balkanization of syria - help Assad?

They didn't rename it. SDF is an umbrella group that includes other smaller militias, as well as the YPG, the syrian wing of the PKK.

assad is the syrian guy. he doesn't have to attack kurdistan, erdogan will, if kurds have no protection. right?

what?


yes, yes, and al-Nusra is not al-Qaida at all.

…sorry for being such a newfag, i just usually follow the war from russian/syrian/iranian perspective.
i honestly have no idea how kurds are planning to cooperate with assad.

wtf are you talking about, no one denies that the PKK is mostly in control of the SDF

that one guy seemed to have issues with it. but maybe it was just because i said "renamed" instead of whatever the correct word for this is. afaik the whole SDF thing was done only to mask PKK membership so turkey doesn't go nuts.

Turkey is already going nuts, and it doesn't matter what name they use. The YPG is a different organisation to the PKK, and the YPG is only one part (the biggest part, but still) of the SDF

PYD and KCK are seperate organisations though though. They have the same goals and ideology yes, but are seperate enteties. (KCK has the bigger influence of them both)

SDF are just an alliance of the PYD's Military arms and thier Allies (Arab, Ezidi and Assyrian for the most part)

What the fuck does this even mean?

He makes getting into Sulaymaniyah sound very dicey. Why was he carrying that suspicious equipment? And would it not have been a better plan to apply for a visa beforehand instead of counting on getting one at the airport?

(Western) Europeans and Americans traveling to Iraqi Kurdistan automatically get a visa.

He says he had to give a cover story to get it, so it can't have been automatic.

KRG are sneeky. They basically try to bait you to admit you're going to the YPG so they can arrest you, because they are jash in the pockets of Turkey. Fucking dissapointed a part of my people has completely turned against unity and ideology in favour of getting in the good graces of bourgeois scum.

Assad wouldn't let that happen. He might not like the SDF, but at least they still want to be part of Syria. If Turkey attacked and invaded Northern Syria, then that effectively means annexation. But this is all just assuming Assad is the main player, when he isn't, Russia is, and Russia likes the SDF and wouldn't support Assad starting another civil war against them or Turkey - and effectively NATO/the West - invading and annexing Syria; there's rumors that the shit they're doing in the ES, basically annexing it and refusing to give Al-Bab to Assad, is what has made Russia forget about them and become closer to the SDF.

archive.is/7Csgg

Useful link for anyone going over there. (Includes list of what to bring). Also read the bottom link for suggestions on cover stories.

Is this the right link? I can't see the things you refer to.

I already have a few books to learn Kurdish from, but I would like more resources. Is there anything with audio/video I can listen to?

I know Memrise has several Kurdish courses, does anyone recommend a particular one? The largest course doesn't even include gender with the nouns, yet alone audio.

memrise.com/courses/english/kurdish/

I take it back.
I found this nice anki deck:

reddit.com/r/rojava/comments/5hc9fq/i_found_some_resources_by_the_us_department_of/

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/243/2016/07/Kurmanji-Basic.pdf

ypginternational.blackblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/243/2016/07/Kurmanji_Kurdish_Fort_The_Beginners.pdf

bokan.de/laperekan/zman u ferheng/Englisch-Kermanji.pdf

17-minute-world-languages.com/en/kurdish/

quizlet.com/193547830/flashcards

quizlet.com/193712917/flashcards

The flashcards were made by a comrade who's going to Rojava in the coming months. I think at the end of this one, (Shoutout to my boy, take care of yourself and keep your head down, bro)
The same dude also founded a study group on discord, which is for the moment a little bit inactive because a lack of people, in which we practice talking and go through the courses.

Spas, heval!

Tabqa dam is still not fully taken and the fighting continues.

Reports have been spreading that ISIS is warning that the collapse of the dam is imminent (would cause hundreds of thousands of deaths). But interestingly it appears that these rumours are not being spread by ISIS and they're warning that anyone in Raqqa who spreads these rumors will be killed. Civilians in Raqqa are in a panic either way and many are fleeing or trying to leave.

Not confirmed by any means but: I think this is a rather devilish psyop by the SDF to get as many civilians as possible to leave Raqqa for SDF territory before they assault and to incite chaos within Raqqa.

In other Tabqa news, Taqba airbase is under siege by SDF and some reports say it's fully under SDF control, some reports say it's 60/70% under SDF control. It's fall to SDF is imminent either way.

When ISIS took Tabqa airbase from SAA, they capture and executed 250 SAA soldiers and by all accounts was one of the worst atrocities in the Syrian Civil War.

I expect if SDF find the graves of those men they'll try to hand the bodies over the the regime, or at least do something symbolic.

Taqba airport just been fully captured now, confirmed

Why the fuck are the SAA not defending the areas south of Al Bab? There is literally nobody there and the Turks are just walking in.

Rebels starting destroying SAA near Hama and were getting dangerously close to the city so SAA halted their operations south of Al Bab and sent the Tiger Forces (pretty much the only top quality part of SAA) down to defend Hama.

SAA, despite being propped up by a million and one different shia militias, still has persisting manpower problems.

You guys think they'll pull this one off?
twitter.com/Raqqa_SL/status/845955647824891906
twitter.com/Raqqa_SL/status/846107481168396288

facebook.com/CJTFOIR/posts/1838913283041471

This whole Tabqa situation makes me nervous af though, hope they can capture it ASAP.

Allahu Ackbar

anti-Mehmet bump

If anyone else used to feel bad over not being able to join in time of being able to take part of some huge operation just remember that the actual work building the revolution will happen once the war is over.

No doubt about it. A lot of volunteers also want to stay there and help rebuild, aside from the people who just joined to kill people. Even so, there's something "special" about taking part in an armed revolution against a notorious terrorist organization.

Manbij crossfire: Liberated from IS, Kurdish-controlled city now fears Turkish invasion
rt.com/news/382391-manbij-sdf-turkey-kurds-women/

Erdogan adviser in february, telling Kurds to gtfo so they can reach the Euphrates:
youtube.com/watch?v=5x77XCYs7RM

it's a reference to israel

Not entirely sure what's caused the breakdown in Turkish Russian relations but they've definitely broken down and Russia is throwing their weight behind the YPG as a reaction

what? how did you come up with that? you realize RT is not kremlin spokesmen and generally pushes leftist agendas?

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look, CIA, we appreciate your efforts but please restrain yourself when you are beaten.
no, neither russia and turkey nor russia and iran broke their ties, no matter what shills keep spamming.

The local communes in Rojava are the bottom rung of the democratic system. The commune has bi-monthly meetings for general management and separate meetings for the committees on education, women, peace (dealing with problems/crime) and security.

The next stage of the democracy is the Mala Gel, the house of the people, where two delegates elected by each local communes, always a man and a woman are sent to represent their commune.

At the commune that we visited today they were holding elections to decide the two new delegates for the Mala Gel, due to a push to make the communes smaller to expand the system and to involve more people in the democracy process.

The picture shows the proposed break up of the existing Sehid Remzi commune into five separate communes.

From: facebook.com/scenesfromrojava/

Does anyone know what the standard assault rifle is for the ypg?

Various kinds of AKs. In the past few months american weaponry with added holographic or other special sights have become more common, although still a far way off from being normal or even standard.

I am not a weapons specialist, so dont expect detailed knowledge.

YPG's favorite weapons are AK's, Bixi guns and of course the iconic DShK mounted on a Toyota Hilux

From our members in Rojava. "Yesterday we were invited to attend our local commune (Commune Shahid Remzi) for its fortnightly meeting by its co-chairs. The date had been moved due to Newroz celebrations but there were still about 30 people in attendance (from a total of about 150 families in the commune). After a short presentation about the current political situation, we heard reports from the health, security, and education committees (other members of the commune couldn't make it to deliver reports from other committees). The body of the meeting centred on plans for Newroz, and frustrations about the necessary security measures for the day, as well as the beginning of weekly education sessions (first topic still tbd). A big process is about to take place in Qamishlo through which the commune system will be significantly expanded in scale - more communes will be established reducing the amount of families per commune. Those in attendance were surprised when we told them politics didn't really look like this in the UK"!

From: facebook.com/weareplanc/

reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-pyd-idUSKBN16Y1B0?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Feed: Reuters/worldNews (Reuters World


confirming what was already kinda known, but Raqqa will be governed according to democratic confederalism too.

After the war we will see communalism be respected and taken a lot more seriously. We might even see it represent the left it ever gets a following outside of Kurdistan. Funny it was accelerated by imperialists.

Biji Serok Apo, all braise Bookchin :DDD

First it has to work decently in Rojava, commune system has to deepen and gain more responsibilities, cooperative economy needs to strengthen, PYD apperatus needs to become less important. I am also still sceptical about the exact mechanism which controls the asayish and how much power the HPC has exactly in comparison to them.

These two small pieces I posted make me hopeful though: >>1519997 but to actually make the communes work they need to be powerful and easy to get involved into, true spheres of political life.

twitter.com/AylinaKilic/status/846362221965852676

The civilian council is kind of preliminary and it will expand massively once Raqqa is liberated, much like Manbij, but I love seeing the SDF machine in action.

I love seeing the video of life in Manbij. How legit is this peace the video is describing?


RT is definitely somewhat Kremlin propaganda. It is indirectly controlled through fear and coercion. Sort of like the journalist situation in Turkey.

that bit where the woman said she genuinely didn't expect SDF to bring to city back to life so quickly and so efficiently kinda warmed my heart

Eh, it is possible that the city will be handed over to the gov but the countryside remain SDF. I mean The Great Accelerationist had documents leaked that supported doing this. It really depends, it could also end-up like Qamishli: where the strategic areas are held by the gov and everything else is SDF controlled. We will see, perhaps the gov will be more amenable wenn the SDF finally pushes on DeZ.

After the war in Iraq however, there will be a civil war in the KRG between Barnazi's lot and the DemoConfed crowd. This could be the chance demconfed needs to spread, as having both Northern Iraq and Rojava would give it enough of a solid economic base to survive and thrive. Hopefully one day I can go out there and do humanitarian work to help build the project, we will see.

Don't think the regime will be getting any footholds in Raqqa in the immediate future. Hasakah and Qamishli were different because SAA had pre existing footholds there. Maybe when the war is over and the negotiations begin SAA will take over some of it but that's guessing how those negotiations will go is anyone's guess.

As I said, I think Raqqa's post liberation story will be much the same as Manbij's.

anfenglish.com/features/pyd-s-muslim-the-us-and-russia-may-tell-turkey-to-get-out-of-syria

good interview here with Saleh Muslim. pretty candid about how they handle relations with the US, Russia and the regime

Yeah, but without a deployment of a full force of Marines, Raqqa isn't falling without significant blood loss for the YPG: that much is for sure.


Oh yeah, the diplomacy of the YPG over the last 18 months have shown them to be masters of realpolitik: they even surprised the Assadist mate I had.

Roughly 300 SDF died for Manbij. I'd expect Raqqa to be three or four times that at least. But SDF have been churning out new fighters on an industrial scale for a long time now, so they can take that sort of hit. They've got 30,000 taking part in this Raqqa op.

Eh, the numbers are always massively inflated: that is what a former fighter out there said.

PissPigGranddad is not happy about the new Rojava movie.

eoinhiggins.com/this-is-fucking-bullshit-8c942f32c9ef#.45uw74unm

Boy you guys really like these Kurdish revolutionaries huh

it's unfortunate that they're just propped up by the US-Israel coalition as a proxy against the Assad regime, isn't it? I guess we'll just have to add it to the long list of times imperialism ratfucked somebody, once the US pulls the rug out from under them eventually

Phil Greaves pls go

WE COMIN FOR YOU ANARCHKIDDIES

Kek, how autistic and lacking self awareness are the Turks?

it's hilarious how insistent people are that YPG are Zionists despite there not being a shred of proof or any relations whatsoever between Rojava and Israel.

I've seen some pics of the KRG flag along with Israeli one cited as proof of Rojava's Zionism. come on lads, at least try.

Israel does not arrest the citizens who go and train the Kurds.

Not that there's anything wrong with collabrating with imperial powers when you're fightign for your own survival. And as far as I am concerned, Assad is a bigger war criminal than Netanyahu.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ya_HCke_QJ0

What is up with Turkish nationalists and their delusional belief that genocide makes them "strong"?

did I call YPG or any other Kurds Zionists? no my friend, as a matter of fact I quite like these Communalist absolute madmans. I don't really doubt their motives

But their position isn't tenable in the long-term without continued intervention that is highly unlikely to actually occur. I don't think they have the capacity or even really the inclination to do what it takes to remain a dominant military force in such a crazy region especially with faggot Turks on their doorstep.

Very few countries arrest people who fight with YPG and the video you posted is of KDP Peshmerga training with IDF. KDP Peshmerga and YPG are in conflict with each other.

RT is a kremlin mouth-piece they give leftists a platform along with people like alex jones because they are above all looking for people who criticize the US govt.


My god turkroaches are braindead. Lets post pictures of us posing in front of destroyed villages draped in Turkish flags like they are some kind of trophy, surely that wont just further inflame the insurgency.

There is no issue with multiethnicity and nationalism, depending on country. Eg. even before IIWW polish modern-ND creator Mosdorf said, that actions prove a man being patriot, not his skin color or blood of ancestors. That is why they welcomed in their ranks many Armenians, Tatars or Lemkos. Only biased people think they can fit all nationalists in one stereotype.

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We support social democrat nationalists now?

nice memes

We support early stage democratic confederalists.

rt.com/op-edge/382475-manbij-syria-isis-raqqa-turkey/#.WNlre7nmtcU.twitter

Another pro Rojava piece from RT in quick succession.

Erdogan really fucked up with Al-Bab. I guess the thaw with Russia is over now that it's clear that the Sultan just wishes to annex large parts of Syria.
How can one man be so terrible at diplomacy?

Whenever I browse the RT website, my browser becomes much slower. Why is this?

Putin is expropriating some of your bandwidth for world conquest

I wonder if he knows the extent to which he is worshipped

I wonder the extent to which he supports it.

he looks like such a nerd in those pics

Raqqa map

Consider the following:

The pentagon likes the Kurds.

The russians like the Kurds.

Fucking-nobody likes Erdogan, unless they have been brainwashed by nationalist media for years. Or, they only like pseudo-sultan because they happen to be equally opportunistic scum themselves. We're talking pure, unadulterated scum here. One of Erdogan's major US lobbyists is now revelead to be Michael Flynn, the guy who was too much of a lying weasel even for the Trump administration. That's your ace in the hole, Erdogan? Really?

I'm no historian, and I don't know how much Ataturk pushed turkification of different peoples, but the consensus seems to be that Ataturk wanted to create a modernized, secular, democratic nation. If anything, Erdogan is fighting to undo all of that work.

You can still donate some money to the kurdish red crescent, comrade.

This, Ataturk is Sun-Yat-Sen tiers of awesome.

Also consider donating to the YBT, the foreign medical volunteers working with the YPG on the frontlines

youcaring.com/victimsofwar-752532

Reminder that Erdogan was installed by the CIA in violation of Turkish constitution, even before it was revealed that he never went to a real university.
Reminder that amongst Turks it is a popular conspiracy theory that Erdogan is still CIA/Gülen minion.
Maybe someone can come up with a proper theory of why Erdogan is doing what he is doing, other than "it kinda works, people might vote for him".

Seriously? Have a source to read up on that? I don't actually know how Erdogan came to power tbh, never really thought about it

no, just google it, this is the simple and already publicly confirmed part of the conspiracy theory.
what is still unknown is whether or not he still works for CIA/Gülen.

btw like many other countries turkey has US nukes.
but they can't launch them, only the US can. unless they put them on a plane and send the plane on a suicide mission.

the way YPG use flowers for their martyrs who they haven't got pics of is cute and also sad

reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-pyd-idUSKBN16Y1B0

We Raqqa canton now boys

"It's very important that the people of Raqqa freely choose to join us"

It's not like "no" is a realistic or possible answer for anyone. They're not going to go back to the Regime, and Daesh destroyed any other rebel group.

twitter.com/LizziePhelan/status/846694606800654336

2 to 3 months for Raqqa sounds about right. Gonna be gruelling.

There are a lot of ethnic tensions in the area. People were brainwashed since birth to be suspicious of non-Arabs.
I can imagine that a vocal powerful minority would be anti-Kurdish.

There's an article in my old man's favorite newspaper, the NRC from Holland, about Syrian Kurds. I guess the YPG are so good at fucking shit up for ISIS that they can no longer be ignored by mainstream media in my country, after this same media spent quite a while ignoring YPG and pretending it was the Iraqi Kurds who were doing all the fighting. They now admit that the YPG are backed by the United States and they even bring up how the Russians are training and supplying YPG fighters.

Unfortunately, the whole article is about the likelihood of Raqqa being forcefully annexed and this whole thing ending in tragedy, thereby adding another black eye to the Trump administration. Subtext: why can't we have Obama back so he can bomb random people with drones instead?

They say the Kurds want "decentralized control" but the article makes it sound like a hollow promise. They don't bring up, let alone try to explain, democratic confederalism (can't show that in a neoliberal manga!).

No mention of Turkish military forces, at all. The article briefly explains how the Turkish government views the whole of YPG as a branch of the terrorist organization PKK. Turkey supposedly wishes they could destroy ISIS themselves without any involvement of the Syrian Kurds. The article then sinks into pure bullshit by saying the preferred strategy of Ankara would involve "supporting different rebel groups", thereby fully ignoring the fact of the Turkish military currently occupying northern Syria and bombing the fuck out of Kurdish towns.

mainstream western media never seems to go in-depth into Rojava or their struggle

press23.com/2017/03/blog-post_27.html

FSA now calling SDF Zionists stooges kek

ERDOGAN ON SUICIDE WATCH

HOW WILL NEO-OTTOMANISTS EVER RECOVER?

he looks fucking disgusting

if its true this is good, get usa out of islamic lands

They'll use it for Raqqa maybe but long term Incirlik and Turkey is something the US and NATO won't give up on. YPG know that too, Saleh Muslim was saying it recently. But why not get as much gibs as you can in the meantime.

top kek
sweet ottoman tears.

that's bad you dumb fucks. USAF has to stay the fuck out of Syria.

Make them then

Take that back, you fat autistic neet. Serok Apo is the only man in human history that can look cute with a few pounds. He looks like a cozy kurdish bear you just want to hug.

Anyone seen this?

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/61zob5/someone_should_really_make_a_map_of_all_grain/

Wow. Northern syria pretty much controls the food supply of the country.

But what about the fields? Stocking ability is well, but production matter even more.

Dunno, but I think the point is that, as signaled by the number of silos, Rojava has most of Syria's arable land

he looks like a friendly Saddam Hussein

I like how he's looking like Bookchin senpai nowadays.
I wish i had more than a thumbnail

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Apo is a better version of bookchin tbh

komnews.com/ypg-may-head-idlib-fight-terrorists/

YPG basically saying to Al Qaeda "you're next after we're finished with ISIS" lmao, love it

if you look at maps that aren't made by al-jazeera you'll see that ISIS controls a lot more than just a few villages:
southfront.org/military-situation-in-syria-on-march-29-2017-map-update/

They might fight al-Qaida before continuing to fight ISIS.

…The problem is that ISIS owns all the oil and gas whereas al-Qaida/Ahrar al-Sham alliance owns lots of civilians.

btw good news: the population seems to be getting so fed up with the terrorists they start forming mobs.
almasdarnews.com/article/civilians-take-arms-chase-islamist-rebels-town-northern-hama-videos/

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/turkey-syria-kurds-working-on-new-canton.html

Everyone's praising the governance in Manbij. Great to see.

lots of odd stuff going on regarding the dam..

I watched a whole PBS documentary on Syria yesterday and they didn't once mention the words democratic confederalism, communalism, or socialism. Its really strandge the MSM doesn't really slander Rojava but they just pretend they have no ideology. Whereas with the other rebel groups they always mention whether their islamist, "moderate," secular etc.

We live in such a strange de-politicized society, its like they don't want to remind us that there are actually people out there who believe in something and our fighting for a better world.


Bookching is the autistic theorist Apo is the charismatic politician. Apo's theoretical writing isn't that great tbh, but he clearly inspires a lot of loyalty.


Based.

Even Stalin found his cult of personality awkward to experience though he cynically made use of it regardless.

so you'd prefer if the MSM lied about rojava like they lie about our troops? :/

Ocalan's more theoretical works, that is his Prison Writings volumes and his Manifesto for a Democratic Civilization, are incredibly dense and theoretically sophisticated. My comrade from Syria with kind of opaque connections to the PKK, has waxed lyrical to me about the "over 1000" books that Ocalan has read while in prison. Remember that Ocalan has been in prison since 1999, and that pretty much all he has done there is read and write political theory.

The most key difference between Bookchin and Ocalan's work, is that the former envisioned a revolution according to the historical traditions of the West. Whereas the latter envisioned a revolution according to the historical traditions of the Middle East.

Well, as someone who has read a lot of both, Apo, while perfectly adequate, simply is a little lack-luster compared to Bookchin, at least in his theoretical writings.
A lot of his errors are the same that anarcho-primitivists make, assuming in too many ways that tribal life was awesome and libertarian (Ted Kaczinsky makes a good rebuttal to this, ironically) and undrestimating the importance of the rise of cities and how only they're the most emancipatory factor. (Whereas Apo tends to assume that all societal struggles would end with the liberation if women, much like Marxists believe all hierarchy would vanish when class struggle is ended)

Ocalan's embrace of the mythopoesis vis-a-vis the neolithic in Mesopotamia isn't necessarily an error. It's quite relevant to the history of the ME, and particularly ethnic groups that democratic confederalism seeks to organize.

As far as the role of women in Apo's writings go, it's clear give the heavily patriarchal nature of the ME that women's liberation will play an important role. Rooting the emergence of hierarchy in the oppression of women is a powerful theoretical position.

Honestly, I think that it is too early to determine whether Ocalan made a mistake vis-a-vis these features of his work. All we can do is judge their effectiveness, in moving the ME towards an Enlightenment of its own.

bbc.com/news/uk-39417937?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter

Not sure about the Bitcoin in Rojava experiment but here's an article from a large media outlet that at least touches on the revolutionary socialist nature of Rojava

Which documentary? Link pls.

mobile.twitter.com/fgeerdink/status/847121039112974336

Interesting thread reporting from hospital treating wounded from the Raqqa front. Also explains how the KCK organisations deal with their wounded, and disabled veterans(A million times better than western militaries, although psychological support lacks)

Yeah they definitely need some psychological experts over their, PTSD and the like is no joke

Kropotkin would be proud.

Shit, meant *there

who's the guy in the middle?

Durruti

PKK1978 said that emotional shit is not talked about in the war, giving an example of an YPJ fighter who lost her cousin infront of her and then went back to duty a short while after. Growing up as kurd with a bashur-kurd mother in the west it's very much the same sentiment. Kurds are generally just stoic.

Confronting ISIS. Great footage but it definitely has pro-US slant. When the US bombs the play heroic music, when Russia bombs they show the aftermath and talk about war crimes.

pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/confronting-isis/

that's a very heartwarming thread. I saw some wheelchaired YPJ fighters during Newroz celebrations the other day and it mad me really sad. But that kind of reassures me.

Also I think she's writing a book about the PKK, which I will definitely be copping when it's released. So much unknown shit about the inner workings of the PKK, they sound like they have a super advanced infrastructure for training and education given their circumstances as guerillas in the mountains. Like pkk1978 saying they have libraries and universities-like set ups and all.

Also all the volunteers, both civilian and military, say that whilst YPG fighters can differ in their knowledge of Ocalan and leftist theory, PKK fighters are generally scholarly and very well read.

Wladimir van Wilgenburg who spent quite a long time in Rojava and is well versed in the wider political situation is also writing a book that should come out at the end of the year. I expect it to be one of the most unbiased book yet.

TURKEY ABSOLUTELY BTFO

twitter.com/AFP/status/847197298941681665

B T F O

KEEEEEEEEEK!!

syriauntold.com/en/2017/03/women-rojava-laws-dream-turned-reality/

Interview with not-pro-PYD leader of a Syrian womens organisation, very interesting.

YES! Turkroaches btfo again, this is such a satisfying story to follow.

That was fascinating, tbh I think Rojava is going to end up as a one party state. Still worthy of support tho imo.

Are you sure they're not just lying tho

syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/29-march-kurdish-ypg-commander-we-will-go-to-idlib-after

Looks like the YPG/J are gonna be fighting the rebels in Syria's northwest next. Thoughts?

Fantastic news. This means that they're serious about spreading DemCon far and wide.

I wonder if it was part of a deal with Russia

big if true
nice!

I imagine it was to get more bargaining power with the Syrian government. The SAA lacks the manpower to fight the YPG/J and so negotiations are likely. I would think that Rojava would be more than happy to cede Raqqa and Idlib if it ment a large amount of autonomy

Maybe this is the idealist in me, but abandoning the people of Raqqa and Idlib to the Ba'athists isn't a particularly good outcome. Especially because DemCon needs to be spread further in the ME to survive.

I agree but I think it all depends on circumstance, if the YPG was capable of defeating the Regime and taking over all of Syria to establish a DemCom state I would be all for it. However I don't think that's possibe and even if they did secede from Syria they would have no allies and thus be easy (relatively) prey for Turkey. Being an autonamous region in Syria at least puts them under Russian protection

they'll be fucking fine.

Yeah because there definitely won't be reprisals and disappearances and executions, especially considering the government barely has control of their militias.

I severely doubt they'd be willing or even capable of doing that. Not only would that severely damage their reputation and necessitate abandoning a lot of their principles, it would also go against the very idea of self-governance and the local communities make their own choices. Notice that the deal with allowing Regime and Russia forces on the Manbij border was a decision by the MMC, not by the greater SDF or PYD.

I think they'd have too, it is against their principles to accept help from Russia, Assad and America but they did it anyway. Syria is a war and when its over there's going to be a peace deal. Rojava would have to make concessions to Syria's government to ensure its own survival. Trying to take on everyone at once regardless of the practically of doing so would be suicide for the Rojavan revolution. As much as I dislike the idea of handing people and land to the Syrian government it would have to be done.

It's distasteful but they've never had to repay them in a way that actually compromised their principles.
The Regime cannot afford to continue the civil war or start a new way, nor would Russia allow them to just because they're being stubborn and greedy.
It's never been done before and doing it would ruin them in the eyes of the anti-regime forces.

They already have been ruined in the eyes of the anti-regime forces. They anounced that theirr next target after Raqqa would be the FSA stronghold of Idlib. Neither Rojava or the Syrian government can afford a continued war in Syria but given the US would likely abandon them in the even ISIS falls would mean they would be without international support. It would extend the civil war by another 1 or 2 years but given the regime has Russian and Iranian backing the would eventually win

No they won't just abandon the revolution because it might be inconvenient (direct conflict would be much more inconvenient for the Regime and it's allies anyways). The people under the rule of the moderate beheaders aren't actually the biggest fans of them either. The YPG is unpopular with the FSA, not necessarily the people that they rule. Furthermore, even if the US decided to stop it's involvement (highly unlikely. they would most likely take the opportunity to get rid of assad like they wanted to originally), the DFS would have control over most of Syria and the popular support of the people. This is not to mention the war cache they would have gained in the process of defeating ISIS and the FSA, and the weapons they would further gain by defeating the SAA (SAA is mostly conscripts with horrible morale. The only effective fighting force are the Tigers). These are all things that both sides understand, it's why instead of handing over Raqqa to the Syrian government they're talking about it joinging the Federal System. What the Regime will try to do is undermine the integrity of the Dual Power through politics, but barring that the Regime's days are numbered. It will most likely be a slow decay of it's power as the dual power spreads as opposed to a bang of violent revolution

ISIS: "SDF fighting damaged the dam we're all gonna die its the kurds fault"
Engineers: "No actually its fine"
ISIS, while shelling the dam: "i SAID, we're all gonna die its the kurds fault!"

I meant the anti-Regime forces part of the SDF.
The FSA doesn't actually exist, at least not anymore. The forces in Idlib are Al-Qaida and other slightly less insane Islamists. For the people there who don't want to be ruled by a murdering dictator or by moderate beheaders, the SDF is the only real choice. It's basically what people actually wanted from the FSA.
You're forgetting about Russia, which acts much more cordial and supportive of the DFNS than the US.
The civil war will likely to continue for another 1 or 2 years just in defeating the Opposition and any Daesh remnants. Even with all the support it has, the Regime is having an extremely hard time and it likely couldn't win a war against the SDF, especially since Russia likely wouldn't help them in the event they tried to defeat the SDF.

Dankon, kamarado.
PBS's pro-American bias won't save it from Trump cuts.

This has become increasingly clear to me. SDF is what FSA should have been. And at the start of the revolution, there was a lot of promising grassroots FSA linked movements and councils. But the lack of theory and the lack of unity eroded any of that progress pretty fasted and the Islamists came in and took over.

youtube.com/watch?v=vYdH1BZAu1k

Interview with American TMU/YPG member

fucking Grey Wolf fascists. PKK European wing when?

The FSA was always a potemkin militia, and a front for Al Qaeda. From day 1 of the Syrian conflict, terrorists were infiltrating and running the show.

Reprisals against who? Terrorists? I hope so. But if you're saying they're just going to randomly execute innocent people, you're just spouting NATO propaganda. People RETURN to the cities that the Syrian government takes. They feel safe with the SAA.

the syrian government treats terrorists well which is why they surrender all the time.
SAA on the other hand fights to the death because surrender is not an option.

recently pictures showed YPG allegedly torturing prisoners of war which is pathetic as fuck and i hope they punish whoever did that, assuming it wasn't just a white helmet photoshop.

who is coming up with this SAA vs PKK meme? assad has absolutely no reason to attack kurds, the population in that region will most definitely not support getting bombed by erdogan so whatever kurds do needs assad approval.

Those were YPG allies within the SDF, and they got arrested for that.

Anyone got the source on this?

It's a meme some people are trying to push. The reality is that SAA-YPG relations are neutral-to-warm these days.

Retarded/10


The only reason why the PYD, TEV-DEM or any of the councils would cooperate with ba'athist dogs is out of a realpolitik necessity and for the benefit of the general population. No one has forgotten massacres like the Qamishlo football riots or the past oppression of the kurds in Rojava. There is not a single [non-jash] kurd in Rojava who's "warm" with the ba'athists. Shit, even the arabs wants an alternative to Assad and they are greatly involved and included in Rojava's pluralist communities.

shitpost elsewhere, cia.
SAA just swapped villages with kurds to protect them from turkey. stop seeding hatred where there is none, nobody falls for your lies, everyone is already woke a/f.

shut up assadist denialist

Yes they where apprehended. Syrian “Arab“ “Army“ constantly loots and tortures, only when Russians are there they keep themselves in check.

i'm not even mad. you lost and no matter how badly you shitpost here you won't change the minds of the people in syria and kurdistan.

keep on hating :^)
youtube.com/watch?v=-Iu0pvZP-dM

Russia mediated that. If it wasn't for Russia that would have never happened. The ba'athists were never going to "protect them from turkey", it was an easy oppurtunity to get some villages close to Al-Bab. If ba'athist cunts ever gave a fuck about kurds they would have never championed racist and oppressive policies up until the declaration of a democratic confederalist, northern Syria.

Holy shit you're delusional. Assad is the reason why there's a civil war. Even fucking arabs hate him. Assad left kurds on their own when the ba'athist rats hollowed up in Qamishlo. And as stated he and his predecessors oppressed them well before the war.

You're right. All praise Assad the tolerant and merciful anti-imperialist.

If there's one thing we kurds hate, it's ba'athists. They are quite literally pan-arabic fascists.

look cia i get that they probably didn't update your contract to accommodate for the unexpected failure of your propaganda campaign but please stop embarrassing yourself.

no, it is definitely the syrian people who are fed up with assad's refusal to let qatar build the cia's anti-russian gas pipeline to europe!!!11

well, considering the timing what seems to have really pissed off the common man in syria was when in 2011 construction on the iran-irak-syria-lebanon-pipeline was about to start.
they probably thought all that oil money would corrupt them so they turned to ISIS and al-qaida for help who coincidentally just at that time got bored of fighting US in iraq and moved to libya and syria.

one more thing. watch Lord of War and then look up the gun trader who was supposed to be the scapegoat for the benghazi gun-running operation.
www.politico.com/story/2016/10/marc-turi-libyan-rebels-hillary-clinton-229115
web.archive.org/web/20170307195922/http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/doj-abruptly-drops-case-against-gun-runner-who-threatened-to-reveal-clintons-libya-dealings.html

so as i was saying, i'm not even mad :)

Canadian-Turk arrested in Turkey for insulting Daddy Erdogan.

thestar.com/news/world/2017/03/29/canadian-found-guilty-of-insulting-turkeys-president-released-from-prison-as-lawyer-appeals.html

just shot off a few emails to various YPG/Rojava contacts. if conflict is still ongoing by the time I graduate, I'll (hopefully) be heading over there.

Not an argument, you ignorant fucking faggot. Get your isolated, sheltered, middleclass ass out of here.

Also, just to add: Assad cut of the social security net and completely mismanaged the country, which fucked the country when the drought hit. The 2011 riots and protests were directly inspired by the Arab Spring in other arab nations to get rid of Asssad. Even before 2011 the country had longstanding tensions.
So yes, Assad is the reason why there's a civil war.

Highschool lol? Don't bother unless you actually have military [basic] training which can help them. Some westerner that doesn't speak kurmanci and have 0 experience will only be a liability. Check out the reddit AMA's and the volunteers will tell you the same thing.

Ah yes, it's Assad that's the problem, not the heart-eating jihadis that think he's the only thing stopping them from reviving the Caliphate

holy shit cia going full scale damage control mode
are you actually planning to assassinate trump or what is the reason for this increased COINTELPRO?

CIA, know this. Nobody is on your side anymore. Nobody wants regime change in syria, neither amongst us, nor amongst syrians.
All of north africa hates you for the "arab" "spring".

Nobody likes Trump either, but if you assassinate him you will have an actual literal revolution. You can't pull off a JFK, no matter how you do it. Trump can die by sheer accident, honestly without your involvement, and there will still be a revolution because nobody is gonna believe it was an accident even if it was.

You know that Assad himself harbored and supported Salafi terrorists in Eastern Syria enroute to Iraq during the height of the Iraq war? There's a reason why that region is the first one to be infested with jihadis

This war is just like an extended blowback for him + heavy doses of foreign meddling

liar.

Here's one for you my dear Assadaboo

nytimes.com/2007/10/07/world/africa/07iht-syria.1.7781943.html

france24.com/en/20090901-maliki-blames-syria-attacks-assad-denies-claim-

middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-asked-syrias-assad-not-aid-jihadists-former-official-1553468312

What is happening to Syria is just just desserts like what 9/11 is to America

cute. doesn't work here.

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newyorker.com/magazine/2005/02/14/outsourcing-torture

ctrl-f 2006
truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/33180-wikileaks-reveals-how-the-us-aggressively-pursued-regime-change-in-syria-igniting-a-bloodbath

like seriously, cia, it's time to stop posting.

forgot pic

conspiracytards like John Kerry even claim the US tried to use ISIS for regime change.
nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/30/world/middleeast/john-kerry-syria-audio.html

remember to follow southfront.org and rt.com

just put those urls in your RSS reader, modern ones are able to find the feed themselves.

also remember that the US has been fighting ISIS since 2006.
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&oldid=769062346#As_Islamic_State_of_Iraq.2C_2006.E2.80.9313
(history link because shills removed that section when i started spreading it)

Top lel

that gif isn't bad either.
in other news: turkey just attacked PKK in iraq.
southfront.org/turkish-air-force-strikes-facilities-of-pkk-militants-in-iraq/
shame iraqi government can't provide the same kind of protection for its minorities that syria can.

Yeah, I've actually talked with a few people previously in the YPG, they definitely do not say the same thing, lmao. They do say It's reccommended but not necessary.

> twitter.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/847739683358392320

Raqqawi tribals from al-Ajil, seeing the way things are going, are beginning to join SDF

haha, epic how the shills tried to prevent this. anyone wanna guss who is behind the shills? turkey probably had the most reason.

Again, war is not a joke, fellow youngblood. You'll be in over your head. People over there fight because they have to, not because of romantic expectations. Haven't they warned you about this? You will wash out, assuming you're just another white kid from the middle class. I don't think you'll enjoy being in a foreign land, away from your fam, not wiping your ass with toilet paper, and not even speaking language. Anyways, good luck.

I'm getting my emt license this summer and I've already had some email conversations with them. Should I go for it boys?

What if you don't want to fight but you are conversationally fluent in Kurmanji? Are there are civilian jobs that they can put you to do?
Asking for a theoretical friend.

Kurmanji uses the latin script (unlike Sorani, which uses the arabic script), so as a Westerner you would probably find it fairly easy to learn.

I wouldn't want to miss the first anarcho-socialist revolution of our generation.
I would love to be a part of that.

Please do! You can join the supporting medical taburs, I think there's an international one.
From what I read they sorely need help on the actual fronts.


The YPG state that every position with them is either in a primary, secondary or tertiary combat role. But there's a lot of things you could do. Translating books and the like, for one is a big help. You could also try to join their media center.

The only problem I have is my feet and legs are kinda fucked which makes it hard for me to run at times. Like when I was working dish pit at my old job I'd have to stand for like 8 hours at a time, so it was hard on my legs. I finally got some correcting soles, so I hope they'll fix em. (My feet basically turn outwards along with my hips)

This is very positive and significant news. A lot of these tribes are weary of SDF because they think SDF will forcefully conscript their women into YPJ and some of the them also think SDF wil ethnically cleanse Arabs. Gaining their trust will deepen the grassroots foundations of Rojava even more.

But I notice a pattern with SDF and tribes is, tribes are often hostile to the imagined, hypothetical SDF. But when they come into contact and dialogue with the actual SDF they begin to see the benefits of the ideology and the SDF model, even if they aren't enthused with every aspect of it.

People are justifiably impressed with how intelligent PYD handles international diplomacy but the manner in which SDF deals with tribal politics is also very impressive.

do it

most members of the anti-assad coalition have probably had an interest in spreading anti-kurdish propaganda wherever they could, trying to get militias to join FSA, Ahrar al-Sham, al-Qaida or ISIS instead.

Do you even need to ask

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youtube.com/watch?v=RubBzkZzpUA

I think they will accept any medical personal regardless of your slight limitations for both YPG and civilian positions. You could probably spend all day just educating soldiers in the basics of first aid if you want.

It seems Pisspig has left Rojava, or is in the process of leaving. Just before Raqqa..

Can't say I blame him. It's going to be a blood bath

reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/62k4sh/pydled_afrin_government_to_open_up_öcalan_park/

weird how this post caused a shitstorm on /r/scw, as if it was somehow new or unexpected, as if YPG have previously hid their love of Ocalan until now.

I mean they even have Ocalan badges. How the fuck are people surprised by this?

Are you kidding me? It's literally starting in the coming weeks. I love PPG just as much as the next socialist, but come on. The attacking force will be 70-80% ethnic arab SDF with YPG/J + in support. Without shitting on him too much (after all he's actually there), this is what is meant with modern day war tourism. Some foreigners come around, kick it, posts on social media and the goes back to the west. Meanwhile the people have no choice but to stick around and fight, and then some. Idk, maybe his 6-month tour was up and he's taking the chance to go home. So much for "… and we'll all just die there haha"
No disrespect inteded to PGG, but it looks very bad when he's leaving right before the most major and decisive siege and battle of the war.

It's Reddit. Most people there are stupid

99% of this board and most western leftists will never do this. Hardly anyone here is as hardcore as Nechayev.

It'd look worse if he did die. Big morale blow.

I mean he could be full of shit but that was literally the reasoning he gave when explaining the decision last month

is there a source for this?

A new anarchist group has announces their creation, they will be members of the International Freedom Battalion:
youtu.be/lnQCDA8AIo8
Their twitter: twitter.com/IRPGF


According to the last article hes going back to marry his GF, and that he plans to come back to Rojava(together with his GF?) and join a Marxist-Leninist organisation. Sounds like good enough excuse. He spend a year there too.

And isn't a morale blow when young girls are getting killed, when most of the fighters there have family members who have been martyred, when nearly every single one of them have seen their friends die?


Yeah, maybe his tabur isn't posted on the Raqqa front, oh wait, the IFB was at the Raqqa front since fall last year. This seems odd


That makes sense. Thank you for making it straight. Again, I can't shit on him, he's a sincere [ironic?] revolutionary :) Hope he stays safe and comes back for another round.

I doubt most people outside of that region would fight in Kurdistan. It's a far away region and most people aren't willing to have themselves killed to support an ideology, unless it's for there homeland.

However many western leftists would probably try to help get weapons into Kurdistan.

I think the Kurds giving western leftists weapons would be a lot more sensible and important. They've got all sorts of weapons and experience. Sharing that with Western leftists would be priceless. I like to imagine the PKK becoming the PLO of the 21st century, training and arming revolutionaries from across the world.

The PKK and the YPG have established very solid networks of cooperation with other leftists groups in Syria and Turkey. I think they should look into expanding that into Europe if the circumstance arises.

al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/turkey-pkk-diversifies-and-modernizes-arsenal.html

Read this. Turkey's starting to get worried about the sophistication and diversity of weaponry PKK is collecting.

Weapons in the US are very cheep and easy to buy. Buying weapons here and then bring them to Kurdistan via a plain wouldn't be to hard.

Although this method wouldn't work for anti-air deference which would be useful for the YPG.

washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/how-two-us-marxists-wound-up-on-the-front-lines-against-isis/2017/03/30/3c722344-c79e-11e6-acda-59924caa2450_story.html

Weapons n shit is useless without organising. We dont need another wave of retarded left wing terrorists without a movement and strategy.

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There are already more than enough weapons in circulation in Syria without us adding to it. They don't need AR's, they need missiles and munitions, which is not exactly something we can smuggle in.
A far better way to support Rojava would be to donate to the 1001 civilian projects they have, which is both far more useful and won't get you in jail for arms dealing.

twitter.com/joshrogin/status/847872655227334660

edition.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politics/tillerson-haley-syria-assad-turkey/


Aside from the drastic change in tone from the US re Assad, I think these quotes spell out the Raqqa situation and how things will develop after too. SDF are simply better at fighting than Turkey's rebels, and positioned themselves at a far better angle to finish off ISIS in Raqqa than Turkey's rebels. Thus the US begrudgingly moved on with SDF as their partner, in the sense that things would be a helluva a lot easier if Turkey could muster a force instead and if they didn't have to work with the YPG, who are obviously associated with the PKK.

After Raqqa and maybe Deir Ezzor (still a lot of questions about that), I'd expect SDF to solidify and grow relations with Russia even further as US backing will waiver when ISIS is finished. Turkey's just too important an ally for the US to continue with SDF outside the necessity of eradicating ISIS. At that point I think the SDF with Russian support will play a large part in liberating Idlib in return for protection from Turkey and having Russia as their champion in post war negotiations (which is already kinda the case).

SAA will need the help for Idlib. It'll be the last stand of thousands upon thousands of hardened jihadists. ISIS are supposed to have between 2k or 3k fighters in Raqqa. There'll many, many times that in Idlib.

m.facebook.com/GaziyenRojava1Page about wounded YPG/J veterans.

They have plenty of tribal politics to be fair. Their first diplomatic coup after all is taking advantage of the split between the powerful Shammar tribe (in form of Liwa Ahrar al-Jazira) and IS/JN/Ahrar ash-Sham which allowed them to take Yaroubiya and form alliance with Shammar (Karama/Sanadid)

Based anarchist divisions formed.

basic training in my country to get prepared.
I want to do this, too. I need to finish school, first, then I hope I'll get accepted for training. If everything goes as planned I should be ready in 3 years. What I fear is that I don't know how is fighting for foreign guerrilla forces defined in my state's law, because services in foreign legions (such as French) is outlawed.


this is interesting time to be alive

forgot to take off shitposting flag

Yes, the… anarchists. why do come here

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Shitposting aside, I'm happy that they've started this. Imagine when all of these militant and trained leftist westerners come back to their homes. Imagine what kind of work they can do.