Personal reasons for revolution

The reason for a revolution.

What is your reason for a revolution? Let's narrow it down to redistributing wealth, what is your motive for wanting it? Is it purely for your own poor ass's benefit or just for the sake of making the rich poorer?

What I mean is, do you want to remove money from the rich because you want money or do you want to remove it because you don't want the rich elite to exist?

Also, isn't the current Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist etc. axis just a romantization made popular by the USSR etc?

Part of it for me is the smugness of the elites. Guys like the Koch brothers believe that they see the truth and it is their destiny to influence politics for us plebs, to make a better world. As if asshole like that could ever understand what it's like to get by on $15,000 a year.

Also part of it is rejection of the social-darwinism of right wing, pro-capitalist arguments. Even though they may reject it in name, it is inherent to their philosophy. They do nothing to acknowledge the luck involved in making it in capitalism. A big chunk of it is being in the right place, at the right time, with the right idea. They claim that if you work hard you can make it, but hard work doesn't explain so many millionaires and billionaires. Many just happened to be born into the right families. Trump got a "small" 1 million dollar loan from his father, that helped make him. I'm still waiting on that loan from my parents…

I just hate working 40 hours a week for someone else's benefit.

This economic system is inherently unstable and inefficient. Its very nature causes problems every human suffers under.

It is killing the planet, it is wasting labour and resources, it is allocating efforts to useless processes and rewarding unproductive labour.

I for one, can't stand to see how inefficient everything runs, how the system keeps perpetuating its own mistakes and problems. I can't rest until this system is dismantled, until we have created a stable economic system, until we have removed all the inefficiencies that slow down our progress, until we have fixed the ailments we all wish to be fixed.

To do all these things, we need to fix the root of the problem and replace it with something that does work. That is why I am a communist/socialist. I can't stand to see unnecessary suffering and inefficiencies.

Also I dislike having an idiot boss, but that aside.

But I don't want a revolution, user. I want an evolution based on proper mental upbringing, education and technological advancement.

I grew up in poverty myself and recognize the hardship anyone not part of the upper classes has to face, that all you're there for is to be kept poor and get little chances to escape. Moving up the social ladder made me recognize how much of it is just pretend and that capitalism is a mad fever dream where you chase a rabbit that you will never catch.

I am alright with the idea of elites as a transition, however they should be the elite based on merit and not based on exploiting others or being born into wealth.

Yes, tankies are naive. IMHO perhaps the only true //Marxist revolutionary// was Mao and even then his revolution fell apart.

So all in all I think it comes from more of a core desire of me to be able to take our own destiny in our hands, both as individuals and as a species. Thats why I oppose defeatist ideologies like capitalism and fascism, where they claim things are "natural" and therefore are "good", "how they are supposed to be" and "unchangeable". It is a slaves mentality, surrendering themselves to circumstance and the established order, rather than fighting it and shaping the world in their vision.

>I want an EVOLUTION

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Have you never heard of the divide between evolutionary and revolutionary socialists?

Able to do what I want and am good at, without the constantly looming doom of financial disaster.

I hope a major economic change will result in massive reforms in the education system - if not an entirely new system - and, if that happens, I would like to go back into education. (To any educators still in the current, horrible machine: you have my empathy and sympathy.)

Loosely related to the above, but I abhor hearing about and seeing friends and family; posters on the internet - even random strangers on the streets; being in poverty because of decisions forced on them by the material reality partly created through mechanics beyond their control and by groups with no interest or perception of them.

And these Spot on, comrade.

Also, I don't want to "remove money from the rich" - it's a necessity at worst.

Capitalism makes me angry
Communism makes me happy

I just think it's pretentious and funny, is all.

>But I don't want a revolution, user. I want an evolution based on proper mental upbringing, education and technological advancement.

revisionists against the wall

I'm a typical soft lefty.

I want the poor to:
- be permanently and securely employed
- stop dying of preventable diseases
- stop getting bombed
- join in the joy of education and technology

I want for myself:
- have guaranteed employment on my own terms so I can be left the fuck alone without struggling everyday

Also, I'd like to live in an Earth without foaming toxic rivers or starving polar bears.

I dont care much about how well fed wild animals are tbh, especially since they dont use populatio control.

I don't want to work to make rich people richer, I want to work for other people, for all.

I'm also a softy for animals, unlike you guys

I was referring to all the sad mushy videos of polar bears dying because they're left stranded in an isolated ice island, due to the surrounding ice melting.

Im an outlier to this board though, im very anthropocentric. not in the "lol fuck nature burn everything down" but in the sense that I feel like we should use nature to serve us and that nature does not have special value we need to preserve. So stopping global warming is good for use because it means we don't die, and flowers are pretty and all.

and i dont give a fuck about the feels of animals over humans

Aint nothing wrong with a bit of speciesism ;)

I want to spend my time writing and fucking. Under capitalism, this is limited because I have to work 40 hours a week in a shitty job and deal with publishers or studios to get any work out there.

the word youre looking for is edgy

I hate smug people

I hate rich arrogant cunts

I hate how the world is set up to favour scumbags

I hate feeling like I'm not in control

I hate how laziness is seen as bad

No, edgy would be "kill all the animals and torture them too lol"

I dont particularly care. I will agree with measures to reduce animal suffering, but never at the detriment of human welfare.

What a loaded fucking question. Either we are greedy and want more stuff or we are jealous and want everyone else to be poor.

neet lifestylist larper

I want to experience a more fulfilling work life while having a decent amount of free time for myself, and I want to be able to transition with minimal hassle from my comrades. I'd be lying if I wasn't also at least partially inspired by the somewhat utopian descriptions of anarchist spain in Homage to Catalonia.

No
What?
No, I never really talk about politics or get involved whatsoever outside here. Don't have the energy or see the point.

This is the only place I don't feel totally alone, as sad as that may be

- Too many people are suffering due to Capitalism

- Socialism -> Communism is undeniably a better system

- I just never saw a reason not to have Socialism. When I was a kid I had kind of a natural predisposition toward Socialist thinking. I was shocked to learn that doctors did what they did for money and not just to help people. I always shared what I had

May I infer something is keeping you?
The stigma or the economic deficit?

Oh no, I've been out for 3 or so years now, I mean that I don't want to be nervous about the approval of the people I have to work with (so the former)
Economic deficit is an issue for most trans people to varying extents, but I can afford hormones so I can get by

It makes absolutely no sense to me that random fucking people should have control over the things everyone needs to use.

Markets are not an efficient way of getting needs to the needy, but they are good at producing luxuries (which I am not against, if needs are met)

The 40 hour work-week is too much and should be replaced with a progressively lessened work-minimum that follows our rise in productivity to produce enough, plus surplus, to meet needs comfortably. Working more than the minimum is done simply because it's an activity you wish to take part in.

None of these would come to realization under capitalism

Fucking checked.

Kek confirms, socialism is the way

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Neither. I'm not poor. I'm simply a utilitarian. A homeless man gains more utility from $100 than a millionaire. Also the homeless man is likely to do far less damage to the planet with that $100 than a millionaire.

My family wouldn't have to work so much (mom works 60-70 hours a week) or worry about any little health, housing, or car cost that comes up. Nephew wouldn't grow up in such a shit world. I could not have to have a running budget in my mind constantly limiting what I do, could get some flexibility to figure out best way to contribute to society rather than just clinging to my deadend job.

For me, personal reasons are almost secondary though. I believe in Communism as a historical project, as one linked to struggles since the English Civil War, running through the Commune, 1917, the German failures.

Communism isn't a bread and butter issue alone. It's the collective emergence of a mature humanity, one that recognizes the historical limits of its existence and their mutability, one which can at least consciously account for the very basic means by which it survives.

Revolution is the necessary outcome of the process of Enlightenment.

I love people too much

iktf

the world is just full of shitty people.

Both. Jay Leno doesn't need 50 cars but I could sure use one. Nobody should have as much power as the Koch Bros, Soros & co. I don't think my labor is as worthless as the current economic system makes it out to be (IE I would have to work 28 hours a day, 9 days a week, 40 days a month or some other bullshit from the Four Yorkshiremen sketch to make ends meet if I was on minimum wage). I don't think handling balls in a stadium or reading cue cards at a television camera are as valuable of skills they're made out to be with the pay they get from a 'free' market where the majority of wealth and therefore a disproportional ability to manipulate the system is held by a small group of elites. Alienation is also a dangerous thing, it leads to the smugness mentions, and to bad, unworkable governance.

We're not all tankies and maotists, famrade.

It's a mixture of personal interest, spite and also being educated on the internal contradictions within Capitalism.

I want to be in control of where I work and what I work as, I want to be liberated from wage labour and be treat like a human, not another cog in a crumbling machine.

I also hate the rich having all that money, from the backs of the proletariat, of which I am part of. It seems only logical for me to want to string them up on a tree and take back what I worked for.

Other than that, I think it's sensiible to want to remove Capitalism as a system, I have empathy for my fellow man and I can see why it isn't the best we can do and certainly not something we should settle for.

Because my life is boring and I just wanna see shit burn down because that's exciting.

The success of the revolution will give meaning to the suffering that preceded it. We won't have suffered for nothing. All those people won't have died for nothing. By fighting for a better future, you imbue the past, present and future with meaning that would otherwise be absent.

just a form of existentialism tbh

Reading about the ridiculous level of income inequality is what does it for me. The ultra-rich continuing to accumulate Capital is nothing more insane greed to me

I want to live in actual comfort. Not this manufactured neoliberal complacency.

Liberal capitalism is disgusting

I'd prefer that, within reason, people have the ability to explore freely and pursue whatever interests them, similar to self-autonomy, and to be free from unnecesary suffering. More specifically, I wish for an ill-defined utilitarian metric (total quality of experience) to be maximized, and I believe capitalism actively works against this. Leftist ideologies are more oriented towards the idea, and redistribution of money would also improve the situation.

However, I am not convinced that the monetary system as-is should be maintained.

raised petty bourgeois and didn't fit in their society. i identify too much with victims and oppressed, including the biosphere. prole life frightens the shit out of me. also i can be a bit of a moralfag (raised catholic, didn't realize how hypocritical they all are, took the concern for the poor and the sermon on the mount quite seriously). I feel weak-willed, too intellectual. I want ataraxia and to develop myself as a pro-revolutionary.
I'm also very much with Vaneigem: World history and individual history are becoming the same, we need to basically liberate childhood including the one in ourselves, to realize a whole new mode of Dasein.

now some LSD
Everything we humans do (capitalism, XXth century communism, chan culture) is just such nonsense when considered only from the human realm. Basically all philosophy and theory rejects and others Nature, and our lives and deaths and sufferings only make sense in some sort of impersonal cosmic scheme that we need to find our place in. Don't we all deep down want to abide in the big Other? far as I can see, capital and all other human systems reject the Other and this tension animates us.

I want a future where I have a secure job, a house with a small garden, healthy and happy children, and the ability to go on a small family holiday once a year, to be a realistic future. Capitalism today makes that future seem utopian.

Dude how high are you?

I don't want to make money for other people, I want to make money for myself.

Because reforms change nothing for the better? That a good enough reason?

Companies can (and often do) collude to fix prices as well as employee wages. The ivory towers on this board never mention this, and always end up with the latest iPhone.

It's a pragmatic decision made feasible by the Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc. Foundations.
Anti-fascism is the romantization made popular by the USSR that you're looking for.

A big one is all of the crime America has committed world wide deserves justice. For its policy, its forcing of capitalism and destruction of all alternative. Capitalism is a machine of cruelty.

It deserves to die.

I don't care what happens after, I have a grudge against America for not being able to be born in my land of origin. I've hated America since I knew how to read.

Unstable? It has lasted for around two hundred years.
Inefficient? It has reduced poverty from 95% at the beginning of the 19th century to less than a 10% today.
Causes suffering? See poverty levels above.

Do you call that stability you fucking lip drool

Fuck off

Oh yeah?
Would you mind reminding me how much did anarchism last anywhere?


Like clockwork. You guys really are a lefty version of Holla Forums

Raised your standard of living from non state labor organization in the Industrial Revolution.

When was the last time A state was a state, mind you?

It's not a concrete entity or object, it is a form of organization, like all forms of organization are.

You have offered no substantial debate to have the muh privileges to call what you're doing an argument.

I'm going to call you high school drop out user because you fucking suck at even starting a debate and know jack shit about history.

Must be the superiority of marxist discourse.

It's even funnier when you refuse to address the fact of poverty rates declining by about 90% in two hundred years.

Also, I'm really loving that high school drop out argument. Damn marxists, how come they are so good at strawmanning? Must be all the experience accumulated over the months.

Not answering anything is your shtick, you have me confused.


When someone says this, they usually aren't having the best time, and misunderstand the point of debate.


Anyone could have fucking done that without Capitalism from Feudalism.

The question is how you did it and what are the consequences later on, who benefits the most etc.

It's ok to be a dropout, high school drop out user.

Holy shit, your whole post was a non argument.

At least the last line from your post was reasonable. So, to answer it.
If poverty went down from 95% to 10%, then it benefitted those who were between the 10th and 95th percent richest, and undetermined for those who are under the 10th percent poorer and 5th percent richer. I would bet that remaining 15% got benefitted as well, or in the worst case scenario, they remained just as bad. What allowed this to happen? Capitalism.

Fuck off with your strawmanning bullshit.

Actually, most of us stayed in school for years.

Not much to work with when you're everyone struggling with a debate coach in a single person.


Honestly I can strawman you based on your understanding and ability to read all I want. If you want it to stop stop asking for it.

It's the fucking internet

There it is again, you completely ignored the part of my post that had an actual argument.
You are just like those people at Holla Forums who refuse to accept evidence that contradicts their worldview.

You had no actual argument.

Learn to read.

Learn to fucking debate.

fat

See? You always do this. Communists have to ignore factual evidence that goes against their own worldview.

You ignored the point I made going over hundreds of years since its "inception" in reducing poverty oversights an incredible amount of detail.

The West is not the world. More were killed in India by the West than the purges.

What has the west to do with this? The poverty rates are global, which includes India.

Also, could you be more specific by how the facts I posted on poverty are wrong or misleading?

Mostly everything.


This is hilarious, you're saying multiple forms of government are because of Capitalism.

That may be true, but the fact of the matter is it also kills.

And a seemingly ignorable population nonetheless makes it a population, an angry one.

Not to mention, how many psychiatric issues Capitalism causes that wouldn't have otherwise happened due to stressors.


Much has happened over 200 years and Capitalism is hardly the same, then and now. It's all different kinds of alienation and poverty.

Poverty also happens to be, for example, growing.

Poverty going down in general, is not really relevant to Communism. Even if there is an expansion of Capital and living conditions greatly improve, that doesn't change the antagonism between the Capitalist and the Wage labourer. As Sraffa pointed out, when wages go down profits go up. Capital merely has to shift to selling more normal, or inferior goods to maintain the same rates of profit they were previously.

Not much of an argument against capitalism.

It is a pointer of the homeless population.

Specifically the fact the homeless were (still are) forced to live in abandoned subway tracks because living on the surface is too dangerous.

I think that's an argument against Capitalism human beings are seen as necessary waste.

What would you do, if you were categorized as necessary waste? Your vision, your sense of smell, your hearing, everything that makes you, you.

It's also a great documentary on the lives of New York's homeless "mole people" population.

Not denying it's a solid doco, just a reminder to post with your trip on if you don't want me to nitpick absolutely everything you say because you remind me of my beloved smother. Switched to phone to say bye xo

Proof?


Poverty isn't growing you dumb fuck.

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