Tfw finding it more and more difficult to not disdain the working class every day

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You forgot your tankie hat.

lumpenproles are pretty shit yeah

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what did he mean by this

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This. Communists stopped caring about working people in 1917.

Fuck off you liberal faggots. This is a prole board.

If your reactionary then leave this board porky shill


leave this board porky shill

fuck off you left impostor reactionary swine

I`m only critical of M-L`s, I still think that syndicalists,anarchists,mutalists and democratic socialists are cool.

What about market socialism?

I find that hard to believe some times because I know there is a fascist sucdem on this board

Long as they are socialists and not just M-Ls adopting market socialism.

You are responding to my post right now. Post-facsism =/= fascism, and I only think that post-fascism is necessary in weeding out neo-liberals.

I believe you can understand why the phrases "fascism" and "weeding out" in any sentence can cause some distress in most people

Mate, you are working class. 90% of the people are working class. "Working class" in the sense used by socialists is not "lower middle class to lower class" or blue collar workers, it's just wage-labourers who have to earn their money instead of make it.

You don't have to like every single person and every single subculture that seems poor to you.

Same here, I've come to realize that vanguardism is the only way.

This.

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It is sensible, but the difference between neo-fascism and post-fascism must be remembered here. There are some ideas that are worth salvaging form fascism in my opinion such as fascist cooperatives(fairly similar to M-L and syndicalist collectives) and Sorelianism.

Nope. Could live on stocks and bonds alone

Your head is drifting up your own asshole.

Because?

You hate the working class because they represent your own failings in making a compelling case for class consciousness and proletarian revolution.

You project your superiority complex onto them because unlike you they are truly free from the grip of ideology.

The working class is turning to fascism because fascism recognizes their individuality apart from the Marxist narrative that uses them like pawns.

True revolution is the acknowledgement of the freedom of the working class to choose, and recognition that the impetus is on us, the déclassé intellectuals, to create an ideology that truly liberates the working class and does not commodify them.

The first step to this is the defiance of Bolshevism.

Aaaaaaand what are you?

Exactly?

lol

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Don't worry I don't. I hate them.

vanguardism is stupid

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Nice rebuttal.

They aren't?

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>>>/reddit/

go away CTR

I hope you get shot

They are stupid because they lack propper education.
Remember that.

Free Rice? And did she forget her bra?

Helping the working class to seize the means of production is what a communist should do:

Sorry, but you're not a communist, you're just an edgy liberal faggot that want to feel different so you came here to pretend to care for something other than yourself.

we are with the working class and the liberal burgeoisie will be seized just like the conservative burgeoisie

go back to the expensive capitalist college campus you came from

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the working class voted for Trump, that shows how liberals don't give a single fuck for the working class. If you now hate the working class because of that, go back to Reddit.

tip: Transgender bathrooms won't help seizing the means of production

most of the working class voters voted for Trump, If you think those people have no revolutionary potential then there will never be a revolution.

lol


Why don't you? None of these people aren't well off. True I might be in college, but you prostrate yourself to these people for no purpose and no gain because "I lost an election".

We aren't going to win a fucking election.

These people will. And besides the fact you venerate the holy noble Republican American Voter to such a high regard, you engage in a form of identity politicking about exactly who it is ok to identity politic. When minorities have been getting shat on in an urban environment far more than these people have, but if you point that out, fuck me you get people saying "IDENTITY POLITICS! IT'S IDENTITY POLITICS! IDENTITY POLITICS!!!"

Fuck me you people are backwards

I'm not talking the whole working class, I'm talking these bootstrapping, bible-bashing hicks Holla Forums defends so much. Holla Forums talks shit on liberals at any given opportunity, but defends these nationalistic, spooked idpolling fucks like coddled fucking puppies and I just don't get it.

the revolution is about THE WORKING CLASS SEIZING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

no working class = no working class seizing the means of production

the white working class is nationalistic and religious and they're no big fans of gays(just like blacks and muslims). That's not a fringe.

Both white workers and minority workers are getting shat on, the point is to represent a class based solidarity and not focus on just one part of the struggle. When you attack or dismiss such a large portion of the american working class over them being spooked it doesn't help.
Holla Forums does have an autistic meltdown over any discussion of the oppression of workers over their race, sex or sexuality though for fear of being seen as liberals by Holla Forums and thus dismissed.
Holla Forums is truly Holla Forums's ever watchful Big Other.

Why do people still respond to the tripfag?

And? These people won't fucking help you. Get over it. Stop trying to do it. Stop fucking being a child and hoping if you pander to a demographic hard enough, even if what they want is for you to stop giving a shit about other disadadvantaged demographics, that you'll "win".

You won't "win". You'll manage to do the impossible and alienate the working class of the future even harder, and then you could stop blaming me for doing what you're on the path of.

I know.


You're doing a terrible job by being forced "neutral". The fact is you don't understand what being neutral in this situation exactly means.

Why do you still respond to the socdem? Because your question is rhetorical and really stupid. Just plainly obvious.

Why does the tripfag think I talk to socdems?
Silly anfem, you don't know who I am.

These aren't lumpenproles.

Have any of you even fucking read Marx?

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Not all American Republicans are actual laborers dumbass. Plenty are fucking well off property owners.

Classic tell me I'm Holla Forums when I decide to shit on the myth of the noble communist American Republican. I've been here since before you stirred the hive on Holla Forums, though you always manage to keep fucking up and doing that. You would be falling into these dumbfuck Dark Enlightment types hands regardless of if I was here or not.

I really think nobody on this board has read Marx.

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Watch, he's going to try and spin that into a good thing.

"the working class will never seize the means of production, stop trying to reach the working class"

Typical college leftist who never read Marx. The class struggle is about all races, it's about ALL the working class. The white working class is the majority of the american working class. The burgeoisie, be it Republican or Democrat, will be seized.

If you don't belive in working class revolution and care about race so much, you're simply not a marxist, you're still a leftist, but you're not a marxist.

History tells us about what happens when the working class wakes up, do you think that the soviet revolutionaries were atheist college pussies like you?

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I really don't give a shit about the concept, I'm saying these people aren't easily defensible in their positions of power in American political representation, and you not only see them as more than they are, but you condescend to them as well by treating them as more than they are. You'll just end up looking embarrassing.

My point is your defense of a segment of the population, which in the coming years will be gradually more and more small, while minority populations today are working harder, who will grow larger in the future. You basically end up shilling for the people who hate you by demanding we pander.

Nobody romanticizes them like that. But what you and some others do here is clearly D&C because now that Trump turns out to be another run of the mill neocon, there is a big chance to inflame class consciousness in them.

And yes, working class people are usually below average looking, uneducated and have no manners - guess what, that's what capitalism does to them. If you hate the white working class this much you shouldn't be here because by only pandering to minorities you'll just get more right-wing reaction and confirm Holla Forumss Cultural Marxism meme.

No, I care about actually strategizing for maximum success politically in the future. You don't.

Well obviously since the republicans are a bourgeois party in a bourgeois democracy. Obviously they have many wealthy porkies backing them, of course the petite bourgeoisie supports them. But they are a minority and most of them are nonetheless workers. Just because they're classcucked as fuck doesn't mean we should abandon them.

ok

Is being racist against most class aware part of your plan as well?

No there isn't. You can be depressed about it all you want, but these people will never truly be class conscious. This is a game of chicken of who can we fucking elect now that's more ridiculous, more empty, and more promisless, and do it again another election cycle.

Reagan, Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Mitt Romney or Obama, fucking Bill Clinton's wife or Donald Trump

We will do this again and fucking again.

And each time you'll try to sell them on the idea like we're god damn Jehovas Witnesses and each time you'll fail miserably.

Because baby boomers and their successive spawn have a preconceived notion Communism is almost Satanic and apocalyptic. That we brought the world to the brink of nuclear war.

The fact is, you don't convince these people with words, you convince them with results.

based.

You aren't a real person, and I doubt you live in Finland.

You can believe exactly what you want form me since I`m nothing more or less than anonymous poster on Holla Forums.

Why do we allow the Asian tripfag to post on here? He's clearly a fascist in disguise.

This is the classic "I've been had" response.

I entirely disagree, I believe things will get worse than they ever have been before plus Trump is going to cut the welfare state. Neoliberalism fucked shit up massively in the long term.

But I'm not American so I don't have as much insight so I stop talking here.

I actually said


Read for understand.

I'm telling you currently by having hope in empty democratic process, not only are you a Liberal, but you're also a tired Idealist.

Convincing everyone by selling them on an idea is not the point. The point is to give them an alternative they can trust.

Your pandering to them will get you fucking nowhere, and not only that, you'll risk alienating the future working class by giving into every demand they have in order to be persuasive, and you'll still get shat on.

You want to distance yourself from liberalism, for what? To replace it?

"results" meaning installing a fascist government to force the """"""lumpenproles'"""""" to submit

it's quite easy to see where your loyalties lie when you peel away the fluff

See, the thing over here. Is these people still believe in America and for all it stands for, and we're just living in a corrupt time, and we should be more like Reagan, because god bless his heart he saved us all and is the second coming of christ.

They won't be class aware because even if they are that energy will be funneled into another election cycle where they will be manipulated again by politics. And we here at leftypol will still defend them and their choices in voting because "WE MUST WIN THE WHITE WORKING CLASS!"…whatever that means. Or how we "win them".

It's bullshit. It won't work. These people are so easily manipulated that trying to woo them over is a game between not us and them, but us and who manipulates them. Which would always be the upper class.

I don`t feel any need to proof my identity any further than this for the simple reason that most Finns on this board have already seen any relevant files proving my previous claims.

THIS

See I'm basically sure you're from Holla Forums at this point because you honestly think that by results I mean authoritarian statehood while being an anarchist.

You also assume if I was I meant, hm, any kind of fascism. You're not very bright.

Explains everything

Asian Cunt Trip you're clearly just a troll.

You say that marxism is bad.
You say we shouldn't care about the working class

history is the proof that the working class can unite against porkey, Marx was right and you should listen.

You don't even read theory, you just shitpost and attempt to derail threads all day all night.

You're the Holla Forums infiltrator, and one of our worst.

It won't be any easier with immigrants

No, I actually say that Marxism is good. You just take all your politics from fucking Zizek.

I've ready plenty. Though, most of it is hardly what you would approve of.

But that's beyond the point, the point is you clearly haven't either, or if you have, you're ignoring it.

You don't fucking "sell" them on the "idea of communism" dumbass, and generalizing these people under a bubble of general resource to be used is not only not going to win them over, but it's also going to cost you support from both sides.

We're not fucking real estate agents. We're not fucking used car salesman. We're not fucking babysitters.

We're supposed to be revolutionaries but the idea of even being mean to some white farm owner has you bucking up in a tizzy, dear me, what if we "lose an election".

smh fam

no such thing, bro

Considering the amount of Hispanic communists, compared to the amount of Caucasian Communists, I seriously beg to differ. Besides, at the end of the day, they're going to be the working class of the future. It won't be easier with immigrants only if you work to alienate them, and pander to the people wanting to fuck them over, for various reasons you can pull out of your ass, but for most that they're a majority.

This isn't about winning a majority at first.

Mein Kampf and Zweites Buch I would not approve of, fascist scum.

I would not be so smug about considering your own age :^(

Nowhere did I say fuck the working class. Supporting someone with kindness and platitudes isn't fucking supporting the working class. It's not hurting their feelings.

Well guess fucking what, sometimes you have to crack some skulls and hurt someone's feelings, reality isn't the fucking vapid candy coated wasteland you think it is.

It's so clear you want to divert attention that it's priceless

nice rules for radicals trick

pic related, it's your fate in thirty years

Me in thirty years is making $$$ off giving you pills you're currently afraid of taking because you've never worked a day in your life and you won't soon or then.

so, you want a more mexicans?

sorry bro, I'm white, won't give my job to a mexican just so you liberals can win more elections. I'm a marxist, not a democrat.

no such thing, bro :v)

You're not a marxist
You're a democrat who wants more immigration so you can get more votes for your shitty party


fuck off, fuck your shitty party, I'm happy Hillary lost.

I am. You aren't.


The very fact you think I'm a Democrat for supporting laborers, for only because, gods help us, they're Mexican, says really all that needs to be said about where you're coming from and who is more likely to be a liberal.

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You don't need to like the working common people. But obviously you can't be a socialist if you don't understand and empathise with their plight.

Why are you so incapable of self-reflection? Your """points""" have been BTFO so many times it's getting embarrassing. You're demonstrably more of a literal nazi than the people you hate, in any real analysis that doesn't reduce to liberal insanity that only works on NEET's you tellingly feel the need to convince by having to also create a cult of personality around your "kewl hip life" and "sex appeal". All artifice, all rhetoric, and you pretend it's in favor of not alienating the hypothetical "future working class", rather than a long tantrum about not being exactly catered for in every way you feel you deserve. To exemplify this, you "trolled" figments of my imagination for a month, while I had you figured out on like day 2. And you still somehow think you're a better person somehow, when you're the one that kicked this off making a child rape """joke""", remember? Then cry victim when you get absolutely shredded, disgusting. Everyone like you is a god damn tumour on the left.

By caring about class and demographics, I'm more of a nazi, and more of a threat, than the actual nazis.

Bravo Cletus.

for

this embarrassing wet turd I vaguely skimmed.

you're not supporting laborers, you're just saying that we should stop trying to reach our working class and instead stab them(me included) in the back, importing lots and lots of cheap labour for porky. You dont care about the working class, you're not part of the working class, you're just using them for your own selfish political gain.

Yeh I'll bet you flinched a lot reading the cold hard truth about you and your ideas and had to skip past it in a sweaty panic.

You're a petit-bourgeois, racist, ethnonationalist, tacit "white" supremacist, dissimulating 'socialist' rhetoric, totally incapable of honestly examining your own position in the structure while crying victim, created a cult of victimhood around a race, and you cloud your true feelings and intentions in doublethink and dissonance.

How are you not a Nazi? You actually think Donald Trump voters are Literal Nazi's?

Yes I am.

I didn't. And it was not the "cold hard truth".

Pathetic comeback. You've got nothing and you know it.

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You're repulsive, and people like you are the very reason I can't blame Republicans.

I believe anfem shitposter only comes here to dominate us and get turned on tbh

She isn't a leftist. It's not sectarianism to expose frauds.

You accused me of being a literal nazi and then claiming the argument is over because you said along the lines of "You're stupid", I really can't judge your ability to be contingent of whether or not someone has nothing.


That's fine, I know there are plenty of liberals who larp as actual Marxists here.

You don't get to decide who's a leftist when your end all be all of revolution isn't yelling at the poor white land owners.

do you even understand who this population is? the population that allowed and supported trump enough for him to win the election? they were former berners. they are the former union workers who now are part of the "precariat" and that population is only growing.

do you really want to throw away the concerns of a social group that should be our first recruiting point? obv we need to oppose their ideas about immigrants/race/religion etc, but we need to do so in a way that speaks to their concerns. healthcare, housing, food, education, etc.

those aren't fascist only

I don't think the trot thinks we need to go to the daily stormer for recruits but a lot of trumpers are just idiots who think hes gonna make their life better.

shit more people voted for romney.

:OOOOO

Wow that changes everything!

It's a good thing to know yourself

pls respond to my points, I wasn't following the other conversation.

what I meant was that they were people who were looking for change because they can see right before their eyes the complete failure of neoliberalism.

sanders offered an actual vision, but was crushed, so they followed the next person with an actual vision. (clinton couldn't even get people to decide on a campaign slogan)

Well it's obvious you can't grasp the essential similarities, because your raison detre is deception and self-deception, and you don't understand concepts or ideas, you know, the meanings behind the words you string together in a blind rage against muh white overseer. It's actually hilarious people let you get away with calling yourself a Marxist.

Your idiotic racism (not just "reverse racism") is even more ironic as you are clearly 100% Westernized, just because you speak the mother tongue and know a little Buddhism doesn't make you a native honey. You're just a liberal piece of shit.

clinton killed her campaign and gave trump the presidency with her treatment of the sanders movement.

they didn't vote for trump but they stayed home on election day.

oo burn.


What you don't realize is they'll keep it going in the current way things work with their own lack of faith in it. It's investment for election cycles in the coming years.

They won't go for the third party, let alone actual communists.

I am saying nothing but facts. This is you. You fail to grasp so many points that you actually believe in a fantasy where you ally with Republicans all on into the future for the victory of working class people everywhere.

That's not happening and you need to slap yourself awake.

I really could give a shit about Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

Asian Anfem, can you do us all a favour and hurry up and start your inevitable transition from "college radical" to "urban professional liberal", already?

It's pretty clear whatever devotion to Marxist principles you possess derives more from your antipathy to white people that you believe are the antithesis of Marxism than anything else

Pick one you absolute retard. You just have stereotyped whites as racists while admitting you yourself are racist, hate the Japanese, don't get along with other SE Asians, as is customary there. Yet whites create a multicultural society which welcomed you and you still hate them, it doesn't make that much sense, until you realize the basis of all racism, including yours, is irrational. You spout neoliberal bourgeoisie propaganda and your entire outlook is totally centered around you alone. It's ignorant, dishonest, and nothing but conservatism if not fascism with a "progressive" face.

I would have use in either society. It is in my interest to work towards the other, but really whether I go on twitter or Holla Forums

I really have no faith in the way things work out when I have more faith in twitter than here or anywhere outcast to get the job done.

It's like saying you won't be the same. Nobody is exempt from late capitalism. Nobody can be entirely separate from it, we all exist within it.

Anfem please stop demoralising us about the revolutionary potential of white workers.


Please stop bullying anfem

Why would /polyp/ stop antagonizing us?

That's actually not what I'm arguing. You can quit with the accusations of my stupidity when every time I say something you hurry to a response you miss the point so hard you end up writing sentences of it.

My point is, you don't convince people with words. Not then, not now. Your understanding of revolutin stops and ends at your vague memories of what the civil rights movement was when you learned of it in grade school.

You don't promise these people a future, from your awful planning skills, and you won't have their support just because you're more nice to them now because somehow an election means anything to Communism.

She can't because she's actually a Nazi. Unless you think the emergence of that kind of society was somehow limited to Germany in the 30's alone and perhaps Italy and it was ULTRA CONSERVATIVE and not you know, radically """progressive""". They can't be honest, they're totally trapped in themselves.

I'm not demoralizing you. I've said multiple times now they have revolutionary potential, but the way you go about getting it is completely ass backwards.

Nice words and nice promises at the end of the day don't mean jack shit to someone who thinks this is the be all end all of reality, worse still, where we are is entirely different from over a century ago.

Communism and being a nazi are synonymous to the general politically uneducated American public now. Propaganda has worked, will work, has no end in sight.

You start with results now, you convince them.

Empty promises make us politicians when we have no way of providing. Accelerationism without an end of the tunnel is empty.

Bait & Switch

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I've read enough of your rambling, incoherent word salad to figure you out, you backpedaling now won't change anything. Why do you think you understand "le coming insurrection"? You barely make sense at all when you're not just talking about pop culture, your ass, or other purely superficial garbage liberals like you are obsessed with. Like I said I had your number by day 2. You were trolling characters I created just to tickle my confirmation bias. You can't emulate others because you can't understand them, because you can't empathize with them, and irrationally hate them. Just like white supremacists, how weird.

I've seen you gloating repeatedly about how your college degree will set you economically and socially apart from "the dumb racist redneck rubes who can't even get a COLLEGE DEGREE ; )"

It's clear whatever motivated you to enter whatever medicine-related degree you are involved in is more venal and grasping than "hey, I just want to help people, whether it's in a capitalist or a socialist society doesn't bother me"

a system that is falling apart right in front of our eyes can only be kept up for so long. the politicians and military in the USSR found that out pretty quick.

we need to offer a better world and we need to have an organized party to provide a better vision of the future. this group of idiots can be led by literally anyone if they tell a good story.

this group of alienated workers, poc included, is only growing and we feel like we have nothing to lose. the left cannot let us be led by the right.

Funniest thing is I'm even more of a feminist then you, you libfem trash.

Are you a psychiatry student?

I am not rambling nor am I incoherent. I am not writing a fucking Article for you, but frankly, I think you would get lost in an Article for even some popsci rag.

I've been straight with you and I'm telling you the basics.

That you will not convince anyone by being a more pleasant version of who our government tells them is the end all be all of civilization destruction and full of people who are no less than demons and no more than monsters, pure political Otherness.

When they believe in their own superiority over me, I'll gladly expose the shallowness of what they believe. If you confuse my belief in my superiotity, you're sensitive, and need a better sense of humor if you can't take schadenfreude at the expense of stormfags.

I am really tired of the ongoing sensitivity here to white nationalists, when many of us are not white, and don't see a reason for your sensitivity towards them.>>1186797

Since I'm going to be treating actual domestic abuse victims in the future, while you go about empty belief and word, I doubt you could say you care much for women besides using them as a cudgel for political argument when appropriate.

Yes. I am. Eye opening, but also makes you a terrible cynic.

You don't say anything though. You think you hold onto the facts, just like any absurdly over self confident dogmatic hate monger, but you're so blinded by your retarded derivative ideology that you can't see your words are entirely gibberish. Your only recourse is to go "no u, ur actully dumb, i have le facts". You think I'm some kind of sexless NEET so your psychosexual head tricks will work but too bad for charlatans like you, you misjudge your opponents every time, soz, I don't care, I sure get under your skin though don't I? It's one of the few lights of hope I have for this world, that sickos like you will always be exposed eventually, undone by your own hubris and narcissism.

you're not even close to a marxist, you're just a college feminist liberal who uses the term "marxist" to virtue signale your in-group status. You don't care about the white working class because you're an asian racist who hates whites. You're also going to spread your ugly cunt for big pharma money in some years.

Neither do you. You're a vessel of total empty critique and you're not capable of saying anything other than, repeat, I don't say anything, without any specificity to what or how.

I could critique you again and again but wasting the energy on someone who will believe it word salad is about as useful as arguing with any liberal.

ayo, wan sum fuk after that critique?

Loool. I've made dozens of substantive critiques over the course. Your bullshit is utter drivel, I have multiple screenshots I kept because it was too hilarious. I just like insulting you now cos you'll never get it and should simply shut the fuck up and go away.

At the end of the day, I have to plan for the outcome of both. Though, I put my energy towards college, because I have no faith in the future economically, and I would like a retirement. Even then, I very much doubt I'll be anything but eating beans from a can at an old age, even if I end up making money. It's insurance when Capitalism begins dying towards the end of the century, I don't want to be old and suffering.

Engels was a factory owner during the Industrial Revolution, I will still call him a Marxist because an alternative to Capitalism did not exist.

Convictions in Capitalism, especially Late Capitalism, do not matter. This is the way the world works, we can change it for the better, or we can sit down, blame the mexicans with our new Bosom Buddies to get them to like us, and tell ourselves Bernie would have won.

At the end of the day we both want the same thing, as do everyone. That's survival in Capitalism. That's what late capitalism does to people. You are not more free from its grasp than I, in fact I would say you are more in it.

Accusing me of being a nazi outright bars me from giving a shit about anything you say because of the total vapidity of the accusation. If you wanted to argue, you start out with something with meat. You didn't. I won't debate with someone who shouts accusations as argument.

Don't play dumb, you know who I am.


You want the survival OF capitalism though, while presenting a "radical" image to your twitter peers, and you certainly don't mind being near capital's absolute apex while looking down on everyone else for their vile proletarian morals. Any you compare yourself to Engels? Holy shit, that's deluded.

How's that?


You think you're not being shallow, but you're being shallow. You want to court facebook posters, I doubt social media really matters that much to you. Especially when the population you're white knighting against my cruel cold oriental grasp, has twitter and wants to be radical


Having a degree hardly puts you near the absolute apex of Capitalism. What do you think getting a degree makes you? Fucking Henry Kissinger?


You mean like what you've done to me this entire thread? I think you're afraid of being judged by your own standards. And really when I'm judging you, it will never be outside of your own standards, so you don't have to worry. It's a wake up call you have them.


Hardly, I was making a point. Engels was more near the "Apex" than I am, being a factory owner in the Industrial Revolution.

It was illustrating a point.


I read your whole post, I saw nothing of value. Do I get a cookie.

pls respond

I'm not either of the shitposters le actually reactionary economically leftists

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when did they add this word filter. love it BO

What did you expect in idpol thread?

He's riffing off the temporarily embarrassed millionaires line.

Then we best plan for the security of it, forgetting for a moment we have fuck of a clue how to establish the complexity of an anarchal society.

Forget about a government, that would be taken down in coup and funded militias, Capitalism will fight to keep itself alive to the last man on Earth.

It's this very intimidating prospect that we must face. The public in the future, just because it has lack of faith in our equal enemy, does not make them any less more easy to mistake the identity of foe. There will be boot lickers to boss as well, until the last man. In fact the more economic instability, the more rabid the defense of its survival.


I think we need to consider breaking the law in order to get our ends met. I am unfortunately in the minority opinion about this. I don't mean violence, I mean theft of large sums of money in order to spread the wealth to a more vulnerable population, the homeless and the sweat shop worker, in order to secure a reputation amongst the working class. More of a symbol of good will in trying times than a call to arms, more of a reminder we have something for their survival than the empty promise of a politician.

I don't see a situation occurring that doesn't follow along these lines, convincing people in a time of manipulation is a fruitless effort. And we need not waste valuable time.


And like I've said, their feeling of having nothing left to loose, unfortunately, will continue to support neoliberals who hide themselves behind lies and deception and manipulation, it's more fuel to the next election cycle fire.

You need to find a way to incentivize voting in this sham democracy, think tanks like the RAND Corporation are probably coming up with ideas on a week to week basis on how to spin it to make them feel victimized in a beneficial way to Washington and Wall Street.

Haha you're such a typical deranged snowflake that you can't see being a psychiatrist makes you well above top 0.5% globally. The world doesn't revolve around you. You think you have the inside scoop on womanhood and "PoC" issues but you're just an idiot.

On the contrary I don't think I'm special at all. I'm arguing against the very identity and classification you're participating in and defending.

I don't think you're important, or anyone here is important.


Can you cite that source, because I hardly fucking believe it. How the hell does that even happen, and how is my labor less because I decided getting into a field with high female employment and decent enough pay is worth it.

Do I have to be on a farm?

Because under your standards, I doubt you fucking fair well either. That's my point.

Also pretty funny now you're recycling a argument I trolled you with in another thread about Engels, where your argument was, and I quote "screech" and "the bourgeoisie is like, a friggin culture man". Point out one solitary post on your entire shitty posting career on this board where you've strung together a coherent point. You don't deserve to be engaged with, you simply deserve to be insulted.

Hahaha, being THIS deluded. You're pure idpol. You're even an unashamed racist.

Dr. Asian Anfem or: How I Learned to Stop Agitating and Love Big Pharma

Plus you're a proven liar. Remember "medications we prescribe don't cause brain damage". PROVEN. LIAR.

Before you say anything, there's a difference between performance and lying.

How anyone can be so narcissistic they aren't ashamed into silence by your disgraceful posts here is beyond me.

If you want a degree you'll be in big anything. Saying "Big" before the end of it, is really just dishonest. Programmers are in big programming, biologists are in big pharma as well in discovering and classifying new flora in some Central American country, being a farmer puts yourself in the hands of the evil Big evolved plant.

There's no end in sight to the way you can put getting paid because it is evil, but there is no other way to survive, and picking out the one industry that helps people in critical need, victims of trauma and the disabled, is so vapid, so empty of any kind of understanding, that I hardly find your own sympathy of others necessarily real.

It depends on what you mean by brain damage, because it's working to help that. If it were up to you, you would take people who need medication off it, someone with temporal lobe epilepsy for example, simply because the costs of taking medication for it involve a cost benefit analysis at all.

You want to fuck them over more than I do.

Direct opposite.

Liar. You know I never said take epileptics off medication, nor even psychotics. You'll twist around on anything to make yourself look good, because you're a fraud and a snake. And people like you need to expelled from the left. It's that simple.

At least we can take comfort in the fact that those who seem dodgy regarding their loyalties will be put against the wall.
Nor alternatively she can vanish in the first purges/cultural revolution that will take place

Nope. You're exactly who you're "arguing" against.

You think I don't understand why women, LBTQ, """PoC""" become idpol? I do. I also understand why poor whites do it. You don't because you're clouded with self-centred, entitled hatred.

You can plan on doing that when you're motivated to take on a thread for hundreds of posts because you're upset someone besides the liberals get called mean names by Marxists.

No I'm not.


The problem is you don't understand a) why what you just said is identity politics b) you think identity politics is so important you have to make everything about it, and how telling that is c) you mistook anything I said in this thread for identity politics. d) you throw around the shorthand for identity politics at all that numerous.

You don't understand identity politics. What it is, or how you yourself are hardly free from it in opposing Late Capitalism, you are your own identity in this situation.

You can claim you care about class more than identity all you want, but by your actions you prove the virility of identity politics as a whole to fuck people's minds into working against their own interests.

You understand a shell of an idea about identity, because you don't understand how you yourself is part of it. You don't self critique.

nobody replied to me yet do i win?

No, I understand identity perfectly well. You do not. I've been arguing that a lot of brocialism is in fact class reductionism, a form of white male idpol just going the other way, the same argument you ineptly try to make. I'm just actually capable of understanding other people, you are only capable of understanding things from your own sheltered, pirivleged perspective, and you react to protect it. That's why you're idpol.

It extends past my understanding of it, because you honestly believe you don't have an identity for yourself and purely believe in class when you don't, and let identity get in the way of it.

Seems like a counter intuitive understanding.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think I share an identity with white American Southerners? I'm not advocating for my identity, I'm advocating for UNDERSTANDING THE CAUSES of identity politics, and being critical and watchful of them in oneself. You aren't able to do this and you hide it under all this rhetoric but it's plain as day to anyone with a functional mirror neuron what your real agenda is.

I'm calling you stupid and unaware of your surroundings. Cannot see the forest for the trees.

Hahaha amazing. Projection is all you have left after you've been exposed once more for the dissimulating liberal you are. You'll never change though. You CAN'T. That's why you should just be ignored.

I forgive people for being idpol. I think you have to work with it, you can't escape it. I can't forgive entryists who try to make leftism about THEM.

Incapable of remorse for being a proven liar. Give one good reason you're not the enemy in friend's skin?

I'm also accusing you of projecting. But who am I kidding, you don't even get the jist of what I'm saying. :)

Can people please stop responding to this retarded trip?

Lol, but you don't realise, you're the one who took over this whole board and made it about you. Because that's all malignant narcissists can do. Suck up all the empathy. The nazi comparison is apt, check Arendt's description of Eichmann @ Nuremberg. To a fucking Tee. You're a racist, as well. I'm not. And I'm only a pragmatic cultural nationalist, you're a literal ethnonationalist. You're fried, it doesn't matter if we somewhat agree on these points, ideology is camoflage for you.

I think it's illustrative. AnFam knows I'm not really mad at HER, just her archetype, which currently has fucked up the left almost beyond repair, class collaborating fucks.

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Shut up you dumb lying cunt, only a handful of loud retards on this board are like that, and they're slowly running away after I repeatedly eviscerate them.

Did she remove her flag again? Maybe we should stop bullying her, she seems to have some serious issues - not unlikely with psychiatry majors.

anfem has more endurance for dealing with Holla Forums's shit, than Holla Forums has for sex.

I feel bad about it but anyone who can make child rape jokes can either take the heat, or she needs to be banned.

When the fuck did I make a joke about child rape

Just filter and forget.

I don't hate them at all. I like my fellow humans, even the less intelligent ones who have no fucking clue about politics and political philosophy.

I have absolutely no problem with them, I just don't want them to fuck things up. I can see myself supporting democracy, but not one that has voting rights for everyone.

There is no planning for security. we will have socialism, or we will all go extinct.

Why are you afraid of struggle? Of course the capitalists of the world are going to fight back, we just have to kill them first. There is no peaceful solution and you're just a coward if you advocate for one.

No doubt, so we should just do nothing? This

literally bolshevik praxis

You're right, as long as we do nothing they will continue to support neoliberals.

no, voting will do nothing and using the exact tool of prole alienation from bourgeois politics will only doom your liberal movement to failure
Uh duh

You've given a whole bunch of reasons why any fight against capitalism is pointless and your cooperation with capital is the only way.

Face it, you're no anarchist you're just your typical coward lib.

It's not their fault that they've been brainwashed by neoliberal propaganda into actively fighting against their own best interests.