Raul Castro: "Cuba will not go towards capitalism..."

"…BUT shouldnt be afraid of foreign capital."

Is he trying to cover up a shift to a China style authoritarian capitalist mode? I dont know much about economics at all but it sounds like he isnt speaking plainly

telesurtv.net/english/news/Cuba-Will-Not-Go-Toward-Capitalism-Now-or-Ever-Raul-Castro-20161227-0023.html

So basically oligarchy then? Third world communism was a huge fucking mistake.

he basically is just going to open their market.
there will be the same socialism, but with foreign investment.

of course, by socialism i'm refering to a keynesian planned economy.

Why is Fidel's brother such a capitalist cuck? I am spinning in my secret grave.

Socialism with Cuban Characteristics.

Heres an idea - start exporting goods

They already export goods for $4.41 billion. Their imports are almost twice that since 2010.

You know you are not doing socialism when USA hasn't invaded your country in over a decade.

nah, what could the US get out of having Cuba?

Cigars and flashy old cars

Well back when they had a socialist revolution, USA paniced and tried everything to destroy them in order to show the world that socialism doesn't work. Now that Raul the merchant is in charge, USA can rest and concentrate on raping the middle east.

More cheap labour, resources and a tax haven

wew

Hello Yugoslavia.

Puerto Rico 2.0

I'd like to see any of you fags implement a proper socialist system in a tiny, poor as fuck country among a whole planet of capitalist economies, and have it survive more than a month. Would you rather have Cuba go into crisis or get invaded, and return to US oligarchic rule? Would you rather lose the one country that might hold a crucial role in the event of world socialist revolution?

Of course we should expect Cuba to have some capitalist elements in order to survive: there's no other countries in the world willing to transition to socialism. The fact Cuba can guarantee all basic rights to their citizens (unlike most capitalist countries), when they're basically a Keynesian planned economy with a slightly complex representative democracy as points out, is a damn miracle if anything.

Foreign capital in Cuba is nothing new since they've been living off tourism since the fall of the Soviet Union (foreign firms are mostly hotels and resorts), and thus we shouldn't be alarmed at Raúl making these claims. The Cuban populace is also generally pretty conscious of the necessity of building socialism, and they should notice quickly if Cuba makes a return to capitalism (which would mean reintroducing exploitation into labor).

All in all, these are necessary measures to ensure the dignity of the Cuban people and the stability of the revolution - while Cuba is not socialist, it is far preferred for them to keep existing until they there's the material conditions to transition to socialism (world revolution).

It's still an authoritarian, one party state.

I heard a cuban explain it once, why do they need to be like other nations with dozens of parties that do no represent the interest of the people?

Well which one is it?

Stalinism is capitalism.

They don't, but you're acting like those are the only two choices. There's a reason the revolution must be from the proletariat, not 500 dudes who take over a small island nation.

It's a slight upgrade over having just one party that doesn't represent the interests of the people

Market socialism then?

so instead of local porky, foreign porky will own the means of production
HOW REVOLUTIONARY

in what way?

This is exactly how the IMF destroyed Yugoslavia. "Foreign capital" is code for taking on loans and falling into a debt trap.

It's nice to see Cuba finally opening upp and becoming a modern 21st century democratic society with tolerant values that is ready to join the global community.
Offcourse reactionary tankies will always cry

Sounds pretty good to me.

>“We are not going towards capitalism, that is completely ruled out, as our Constitution states,” said Raul, "but we must not be afraid of it (foreign capital) and put obstacles in the way to what we can do within the framework of existing laws, which implies the preparation of cadre and specialists to negotiate, as well as analyzing the deficiencies and mistakes made in the past so as not to repeat them," said the army general.

So how is this any different from "sell us the rope to hang you with"? Assuming that they actually do that, that is.


Truly a man too good for this world.

Also has raul considered worker cooperatives?

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Just before we go any further OP,

Is this to suggest that you consider the current model in Cuba to be socialism?

So Cuba is basically going to become like most EU countries?

GTFO

can we just send trots to an oven?

I fucking hate trots so fucking much reeee.

pick one and only one.

REEEEEEEEE

Zizek agrees with me on this one tought.
Keep crying tankie

In the one way that competition for votes forces a modicum of pandering to workers on some level related to their material being (even if it's not much), something a one party state doesn't need to bother themselves with.

nothing new here guys.

No he literally does not

He thinks Cuba is a dead end and hasnt offered any new avenues to revolution but he doesnt think they should embrace "a modern 21st century society" and "join the global community." You realize those are just neoliberal buzzwords for "let powerful countries do whatever they want", right?

I wouldnt consider it communism but I'd consider it socialism, albiet a deeply flawed incarnation of it.

I dont know the specifics of how their economy operates though so I could be wrong, please enlighten me

To me it just sounds like doing business with foreign capital, not necessarily hosting it.

Even if so there may be a double standard with foreign owned businesses being allowed to be private and all the existing regulations remaining for local enterprise.

What they are doing is basically Lenin's NEP with the objective of accumulating decent amounts of capital(in hard currency) and technology for the improvement of productivity.

Hows cubas solar panel plan coming along anyway?

because Cuba could've acted as a buffer to the USSR, and also the Monroe doctrine which gave the US full supremacy over the entire continent. Now that Cuba has their own independence, and the USSR doesn't exist, there's little reason unless they just want another military base.

He's a retard because Cuba has a proxy real estate market.

Wasn't that the whole fucking crux of trotsky's argument for permanent revolution in russia?